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R:2 / I:2
In a perfect world, girls like me would not exist...
R:9 / I:8
A thread ranking Higurashi: When They Cry characters by how much they cry.

1. Hojo Satoko
The undisputed champion of Higurashi, dubbed "Miss Higurashi" by Ryukishi himself, is none other than Hojo Satoko-chan. Notorious for her ceaseless bouts of crying, often punctuated by beckons for her "Nii-nii," Satoko is a veritable fountain of tears. In recent years she has managed to overcome her affliction through willpower, but it's not nearly enough to dethrone her. All hail the greatest Higurashi When They Crier!

2. Maebara Keiichi
He might like to posit a cool exterior, but the fact is our favourite male lead is actually a total crybaby, so much so that it lands him the coveted second spot on our list. He cries over his friends in Onikakushi, cries over Rika and Satoko's deaths in Watanagashi, cries over Satoko's abuse in Tatarigoroshi, cries over accusations of child abuse from Rena and flashbacks about Mion in Tsumihoroboshi... I mean really, how did this guy even manage to get anything done if he was busy bawling his eyes out so much? I guess in the world of When They Cry being a chronic crier is actually advantageous.

3. Sonozaki Mion
Keiichi told her she wasn't his friend anymore. She cried. Keiichi didn't give her a toy doll because she's too boyish. She cried. Keiichi accused her and her family of being complicit in a village-wide conspiracy of abuse against Satoko. She cried. What a baby! For being the heir to the powerful seat of the village leader she sure is a wuss! Third place was always guaranteed.

4. Sonozaki Shion
Shion does her fair share of crying, but, honestly, her moments of weakness are well-deserved. Tortured by her family, her almost-boyfriend seemingly murdered for inner-village politicking, her adopted sister stolen by her abusive uncle while the authorities ignore the facts. Her bold and steadfast personality often overshadows these moments enough to maybe fool you into forgetting them, but she has her moments of utter vulnerability. And of course there's her death scene in Meakashi, when she cries and begs for Satoko's forgiveness before throwing herself off the edge of the building. Even I cried.

5. Ryugu Rena
My guess is she'd be crying a lot more if she wasn't an inch away from giving into literal insanity most of the time. If she encounters something intense enough to warrant a good cry, she'll usually just instead start mumbling off into some imperceptible distance and scratching at her neck. What's up with that? Can't ever trust gingers, that's what I always say.

6. Furude Hanyuu
Literally who?

7. Furude Rika
A cynical and malicious drunk, far too heartless to ever let her true feelings show on her sleeve. If you see her crying, approach with caution, for hers are likely crocodile tears. If she is ever really crying, it's probably because she failed in attaining a goal after doing nothing at all to achieve it. What a tragedy.

8. Hojo Satoshi
Satoshi does not cry. He's too busy getting things done. He suppresses his emotions to superhuman levels, and in every fragment always succeeds in overpowering his weaknesses and buying the teddy bear he wants to gift to his little sister. He's cruelly rewarded with medical intervention and likely frequent molestation at the hands of Takano Miyo. But in the grand game of fate that spans across all universes, he can hold his head high and claim a greater victory than this list implies.
R:100 / I:62

I'm reading Umineko finally!

Alright, after severe procrastination going back years I finally got my setup going where I have my drawing tablet suspended over my head in bed and I have a game controller in my hand. Alas, I'm getting older and I can't really spend 15 hours a day with my arms in the air for weeks at a time and not get sore arms, so I was waiting until I could get this setup to read in bed before getting back into VNs seriously.
I will post updates in this thread as I read through it. Someone said somewhere I should remember the red text, so maybe I'll take a screenshot of it every time and also make other screenshots and post them in the thread as I talk about it and maybe other people can talk about stuff (and please don't spoil things, although Gou/Sotsu already did that to an extent I feel).

I'm using some PS3 patch thing with the 'Witch Hunt'. I do find the original Ryukishi07 portraits kind of charming, but also distracting, so I'm going with the PS3 versions.
It's time to hopefully completely lose my connection to reality for a period of time again. I love that feeling.
To be continued...
R:31 / I:6 (sticky)
Welcome to the new When They /cry/ board! You can post Higurashi content without worrying about spoiling things. By default this board won't be showing up on /all/ or the front page. You can post about Umineko and Ciconia, too, but you should use spoiler options on those for the time being. This is something we can figure out together.
R:14 / I:11
She was just playing by the rules.
R:5 / I:2
Question for >>>/qa/115969
Do you still have this set up? I tried to get it running on my machine, but I suck dick and this stuff and kept running into endless errors. Asking 'cause I ran into this documentary(?) on Umineko from a NHK show on otaku stuff and would like to see what they're talking about, exactly:
Seems some guy on on a discord server gave it a go five years ago but his video with its half translation has been taken down since then.
R:7 / I:5
cuh.... c-c-cuh....
R:14 / I:6
happy wife, happy life
R:6 / I:6
There's a very interesting short story about the experimental works of a fictional author, An Examination of the Work of Herbert Quain, that really reminded me of R07, and wanted to share it. It's by Borges.

Quain, recently deceased and mostly unsuccessful, first writes a mystery novel: The God of the Labyrinth, an otherwise regular inquiry into an assassination, save for a sentence at the end:
>‘Everyone thought that the encounter of the two chess players was accidental.’ This phrase allows one to understand that the solution is erroneous. The unquiet reader re-reads the pertinent chapters and discovers another solution, the true one. The reader of this singular book is thus forcibly more discerning than the detective.
Supremely relevant to Umineko, the reader figuring it out while the detective fails to do so. But even more relevant is his next work, April March.

April March (the book itself) is composed like a game:
>In judging this novel, no one would fail to discover that it is a game; it is only fair to remember that the author never considered it anything else. ‘I lay claim in this novel,’ I have heard him say, ‘to the essential features of all games: symmetry, arbitrary rules, tedium.’
It's made up of thirteen chapters, in a structure arranged as shown in this diagram:
This one's a doozy. The important part is that there's a fundamental chapter, Z, that is shared among all the stories told inside the book. It's comparable to the intial state of the gameboard or the outcome of Rokkenjima. Then, Y1, Y2, and Y3 are separate possible scenarios that branch out from there, and each of them branch once more into three more, X from 1 to 9. That's what the brackets represent. So what you have is one book that contains within it nine different stories that share major unavoidable plot elements and are alternate universes of each other, much like what happens with fragments. Furthermore,
>Whoever reads the sections in chronological order (for instance: X3, Y1, Z) will lose the peculiar savour of this strange book. Two narratives —X7, X8— lack individual worth; mere juxtaposition lends them effectiveness...
>I do not know if I should mention that once April March was published, Quain regretted the ternary order and predicted that whoever would imitate him would choose a binary arrangement:
Which is what we see in the pairings of question and answer arcs. Despite Quain's text having a "rage for symmetry" as Borges writes that Schopenhauer wrote about Kant, it seems from the gloss that it is not as internally unified as Higurashi and Umineko are (and they already go to many places).

It really stood out to me, it's like seeing someone make a site for the library of Alexandria that really has an infinity of incoherent text just as he described it, except seemingly by pure coincidence. Then there's Death and the Compass making fun of detective novels in general, where a man spends three months reading up on Hebrew theology to unravel a murder, only to get totally baited. Maybe that's another place Umineko telepathically got material from.
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What are the implications of this?
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R:4 / I:4

I love Higurashi!

I love when they cry!
R:9 / I:9
I saw you about to make that post.
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R:52 / I:23

Higurashi (Deen) Streams

Alright, it's time to /cry/!
To celebrate Watanagashi (and /cry/'s yearly return) we're going to stream the original Higurashi anime and all its many episodes! It will never fit in one or even 4 nights, so we're going to do it as weeks-long event with like 4-6 episodes each weekday.
Standard stream start time of 7PM EST / 12AM UTC (EDIT: MOVED BACK AN HOUR)
Question Arc: 12th through 16th
Answer Arc: 19th through 23rd
Specials: 26th+

If you don't know what Higurashi is like, well... It's happy, but also sad and very violent. Extremely good characters and it's very emotional and the music is fantastic, including the anime-exclusive stuff. The ideal experience is to read it, but if you don't have about 80 hours to devote to that then you should at least watch the anime. It's one of things you really need to experience.

After all this concludes I think I'll move this thread to /cry/ for archival purposes
R:8 / I:7
Today is Satoko's birthday. Happy Birthday, Satoko!
R:2 / I:0
R:1 / I:0
R:2 / I:2
We're so back
R:6 / I:4
R:4 / I:2
What do the Japanese think of Ciconia? Is it popular enough to get voiced characters?
R:1 / I:0
The first arc is probably the hardest arc to rewatch knowing every way that K1 was deluded.
R:1 / I:0
. . .
R:5 / I:0
They won
R:11 / I:5
2 new higurashi chapters by R07, takes place after 35 years, apparently leaked from a magazine, (official announcement soon?)
R:7 / I:2
Is there a character stronger than Auaurora?

And I'm not talking about Amnesiac Furude Hanyū. No, I'm not talking about Mystery Novelist Hachijo Ikuko. Hell, I'm not talking about Goddess-form Hai-Ryūn Ieasomūru Jeda either. I'm talking about the Endless Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating Featherine Augustus Aurora with the City of Book's MC Army (which is capable of overwhelming powerlevel wankery and Universal Devastation), her meta-fictional transcendence (which grants her Nigh-Omniscience, Cosmic Awareness, True Flight and Invulnerable Meta-Immortality) capable of using Element, Text, Information, Vector, Matter, Space, Time, Causality, Death, Reality and even Plot Manipulation, equipped with her Repaired Horned Crown (capable of holding together her abstract form) and the Onigari-no-Ryūō because she is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, perfect Causality Transcendence (that can disregard all logic errors), control of both Existence Erasure and Creation, with alien Ryūn DNA and Rika's soul implanted on her chest, her Senate's forces guarding her and nine gazillion pieces of furniture floating behind her AFTER she absorbed all fiction from the multiverse, reached the Creator Boundary, started the Game of Games with everybody and used True Platonic Concept Manipulation so she could stop the mere idea of a threat while they entertained her.
R:2 / I:0
She has no name. I have simply been calling her "Eua." The strongest witch, which divided Higurashi from Umineko, literally rending consistency itself to forge this world.
R:1 / I:0
R:8 / I:5
Will Rika ever find her way back to the Deen shard?
R:11 / I:6
R:8 / I:4
Furude Rika will never be balli-
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R:2 / I:2
My wives and their friend Shion.
R:2 / I:2
It is the month of Watanagashi and the title of 'the face of the first new post on /cry/' now belongs to Rena. Look at how happy she is!
R:2 / I:2
Lambda on the front page!
R:2 / I:2
Before the board is gone let us remember all the good times we had with Sotsu.
R:2 / I:1
So Kissu, what do you think's in the box?
R:19 / I:7
when are we getting phase 2
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R:1 / I:0
What would happen if you tried to kissu a L5 Rena?

Just curious, I don't think that batshit insane Rena is cute or anything silly like that.
R:6 / I:1
Being Satoko is suffering.
R:1 / I:0
*glomps you*
*shreds your guts*
*eats you whole*
R:3 / I:2
Hanyuu the yokai of boundaries, from the hit doujin series Touhou Project™
R:7 / I:3
What do you think the December announcement will be? I'm guessing another anime since there's already a gacha. Maybe it'll be another 2 seasons of murdering again, but with a different character. Shion destroys reality because she doesn't like her hair ribbon?
R:11 / I:2
howe do i play umineko with the originel sprites + translation? i have tried downloading it 3 tiems and it either 1. didnt werk 2. wasnt translated 3. did not hav the old sprites
R:4 / I:4
Cute. She should have been a loli from the beginning, if you ask me.
R:1 / I:0

Hi wtc bros

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R:9 / I:8
R:17 / I:12
Hi /cry/! What are your guys opinions on Dlanor! I think she's super cute!
R:8 / I:3
First person to get the rare Hanyuu name gets 5 kissu bucks (no cash value)
R:4 / I:3
I want a romantic/dating VN where I can hang out with Hanyuu and marry her!
R:5 / I:4

Erikantrice is the theory that explain all umineko with 3 points:

1)same culprits for every game Kanon and George
2)ep5 and ep6 is explained with Erika=Kanon the detective fantasy of Yasu
3)Ikuko is Yasu all umineko is the magic version of her trying to make battler remember

R:3 / I:2
Ryukishi interview about Gou/Sotsu
R:14 / I:5
what was gou/sotsu even for?
the ending didn't feel like anything substantial
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
R:11 / I:7
R:20 / I:14
Satoko doing her civic duty to reform former criminals!
R:0 / I:0
C-C-C-C-C-CROSS COUNTER?????!??!?!!?
R:6 / I:3
What the fuck dudes, I've been a bit busy recently and only just got around to watching Sotsu 14, this was some seriously epic shit. I never would have imagined that Higurashi meets DBZ was something I needed in my life. Also, habitual reminder that it's all Rika's fault.
R:3 / I:2
Just a friendly reminder: FUCK SATOKO
R:4 / I:2
R:2 / I:0
Will Rika defeat Satoko or will she face defeat at the hands of her new nemesis? Find out on the next exciting episode of Gousotsu Z!
R:9 / I:6
I was so excited for new Higurashi last year and it's been nothing but dissapointment. Total garbage.
R:18 / I:6
what the FUCK
Were the theories about Satoko being Lambda correct the whole time, are you fucking kidding me?
R:19 / I:8
R:2 / I:2
It's all connected
R:0 / I:0
lol noob
R:4 / I:3
If Satoko is so bad and hated why does she take up half the catalog?
R:2 / I:1
Pixiv had a Higurashi art contest

As is usually the case with art contests, I liked the stuff that didn't win more than the stuff that did.
R:2 / I:2
What was she thinking of to fake her blush?
R:11 / I:3
time to pay, anon. for lewding my precious Rika.
R:13 / I:7
R:57 / I:24
Now the first arc is over, I think it's time for a Higurashi discussion and theorycrafting thread. Obviously contains spoilers for the entire series, I will be using spoiler tags but some things might slip by, so hide the thread if you care about that.

First, the struggle with Rena - I am inclined to believe that Keiichi hallucinated the whole thing. Needless to say, the scene itself is pretty ridiculous, what with Keiichi being repeatedly stabbed in the chest but still somehow managing to muster up the strength to bludgeon Rena with the clock several times. Later when we see him in the hospital, it's confirmed that he is a late stage HS patient, and his wounds don't match the state he was in when he lost consciousness - only his left cheek was grazed, and he had no neck injuries. Except for Ooishi confirming that something went down at his house on that night, none of the other characters allude to what really happened (understandable since Keiichi has just woken up from a coma.) Also, what happened to the neck collar? He's not wearing it anymore when Mion visits.

What the actual fuck happened to Tomitake, Takano and Irie? Takano shows up for only a few seconds, Tomitake shows up briefly but behaves the same as in Onikakushi, and since Keiichi doesn't go talk to them during the festival we don't see any more of them, and Irie doesn't show up at all and his clinic is being "remodeled". I think the most likely scenario is that Takano died for real (since the fake body wasn't found in the mountains and she is considered "missing") and the project was canceled, hence the "remodeling", but then I have no idea how she died. Since Tomitake's body wasn't found either, it's also possible that he wasn't injected with the HS pathogen.

Speaking of Takano, from the circumstances surrounding Rika's death we know it wasn't her who did it this time. I believe Satoko had a HS episode and Rika was forced to kill her, and then committed suicide by stabbing her own neck as seen in Meakashi.
R:8 / I:4
were you expecting some nice girl? too bad. it's just me, Satoko. sorry.
R:5 / I:2
Would you forgive Satoko if she allowed you to freely use her massive boobs?
R:22 / I:14
If this arc doesn't heavily deviate from the original I'm personally going to go to Japan and beat the shit out of R07.
R:0 / I:0
happy kakera happy life
R:4 / I:0
you just got
R:2 / I:2
Shhh. Be very quiet. The witch is sleeping.
R:8 / I:6
This SMUG BITCH is playing with your heartstrings. And basically, you're fucking stupid.
R:3 / I:0

"Higurashi Sotsu OP2" Lyrics

My witch is golden dreamer
Of magical gore bits
Nothing is on the creature
For Maria in September

Witch is golden dreamer
It's magical Gohda chef
I'm gonna piss in fire
For magical breeding power

In the brewing party
Saw every everything
There he comes, breaking the darkness
George in grief

Yo, Master crazy
Saw every everything
In a way, I'm feeling
My broken artichoke
R:15 / I:10
Give up kissu, Special Agent Satoko's got you cornered now!
R:3 / I:2
How many Satokos do you think you could take in a fight? No traps or other trickery, just body against body.
I think I could take at least a dozen.
R:1 / I:1
moshi moshi
R:4 / I:2
Takano-san and Satoko are crying. Which one would you try to calm?
R:1 / I:1
R:2 / I:0
Where does she even conceal the gun at? She wears a skirt with tights. Tokarevs are kind of heavy too; all steel construction.
R:7 / I:2
what does type-moon have to do with higurashi?
R:1 / I:1
What the hell, she strangled her to death at school in broad daylight with other kids running around a few meters away from them and carried her body around.
R:2 / I:1
Don't you worry your pretty little head. I'll help you get through that bathtub drain. Nipaa~
R:4 / I:2
Just remember, the only reason Rika lost is because they had to split her vote between TWO top 10 winners.
R:7 / I:5
Mion is a girl!
R:14 / I:9
R:2 / I:1
Remember to clean your room and put your futon away, or Satoko-chan will scold you.
R:5 / I:3
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R:0 / I:0
hat silhouette which
Began to grow distant
Will never turn back again

Even if the long night were to end,
The errors and the sins
Won't fade away—now or ever

With the setting sun,
The darkness creeps in closer
Dyeing all that is pure with black

The more I wonder, I ask—
Why did you test me with pain?

All I ever wanted
Was just one single thing—
Just that smile

All those days of making mistakes
Again and again—
We could take them apart
And put them back together in place

Even if you lose your way,
I'll set off to come see you
So come, wipe away all those
Heartbreaking tears

Before we even realized,
We had long forgotten
That tender voice of yours—
So let us search for it

If only we could bring ourselves
To take each other's hands again;
One more time—
Let's make a promise to each other
R:14 / I:10
do you love rena?
R:5 / I:2
Is there a worse type of world than one where Rena snaps? She's easily the most dangerous since she's pretty capable of hiding her intentions until the very last moment, and unlike the rest (save Takano) she thoroughly plans out her actions to make sure they succeed.
R:4 / I:0
Satoko & Rika forever.
R:9 / I:3
I think this all but confirms that the "random" L5 outbreaks in the other arcs weren't nearly as dictated by chance as one may have thought.
R:5 / I:1
I can't believe she was taken from us.
Please come back...
R:1 / I:0
Was this always the scenery?
R:0 / I:0
feelio when you're best friend traps you in a time loop to be tortured to death over and over
R:4 / I:0
Yuri connoisseurs, we won.
R:2 / I:0
Getting flashbacks to EP8 from this...
R:1 / I:1
The perspective on this still messes with me.
R:17 / I:6
I need to hurry up and read Umineko before the next Higurashi anime, but uhh... I can't remember what is what. Does this look right? PC remaster port? Huh? Rondo Episode 6 is in beta? What?
R:3 / I:2
R:2 / I:1
Are you (re)reading Umineko in preparation for Sotsu in 1(ONE!) week?
R:6 / I:0
stream up
R:7 / I:1
I think we can all agree that there's no way in HELL Gou actually ends (no next season) next episode. So when do you think S2 is scheduled for
R:0 / I:0
New trailer.
R:1 / I:0
I love my wife Hanyuu!
R:3 / I:0
Domo Domo
R:2 / I:0
Was it all just a ploy to make me play a gacha?
I feel used..
R:5 / I:1
R:10 / I:3
The ride has just begun.
R:14 / I:6
R:14 / I:4
Behold the the majestic Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating Featherine Augustus Aurora
R:2 / I:1
¥kills herself every time she draws a wrong card
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Something I've been meaning to ask for weeks but always forget. Can anyone explain how Rika and Satoko's abilities are able to manifest concurrently? Up until now only Rika was looping, and my personal interpretation was that each fragment exists as a possible reality, but is only actually set into motion when Rika (or her consciousness, rather) enters it, since she is not shown to be able to live through multiple fragments at the same time. Now that Satoko has become a looper, how do her powers affect Rika and vice-versa? It seems at this point in time Satoko is more powerful and so I assume she would take precedence, but then what happens when Satoko resets while Rika is still alive, like the finger snapping thing in this episode?
R:0 / I:0
I think that this describes Rika and Satoko's relationship very well.
R:4 / I:2
I wonder...
R:7 / I:1
gou spoiler dont click
R:3 / I:1
I think Rena did it better.
R:18 / I:5
So do we all agree that it's Rika's fault for being a shitty friend?
R:13 / I:2
R:5 / I:2
explain this to me, if this were Hanyuu then why would she be portrayed in a somewhat menacing manner in the OP? If the series assumes you know it's a sequel then there's no reason as to why it would expect you to think that Hanyuu is in anyway evil. So therefore this has to be Featherine
R:11 / I:2
It was actually Ciconia phase 2 all along
R:4 / I:1

seriously though it's really bad in this
R:1 / I:0
R:2 / I:0
She did nothing wrong.
R:6 / I:2
I've come to the realization that Gou can be enjoyed 100% without having any knowledge of Umineko. While a bunch of it could be seen as Umineko fanservice that's more enjoyable after having read it, it's not at all a required reading to understand Gou. At most it gives context to hints that were scattered out throughout bonus scenes in Umineko that gave reference to Bern's backstory and the Higurashi connection.

Also it may even be better for those without having experienced Umineko as based off of context clues in it, one could infer that Rika is forced to kill Satoko
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R:4 / I:0
Okay, uhh... so it's been a couple episodes now and I have to ask: Why or how did Rika completely seem to forget that Satoko pulled this? Is it just implied Satoko has superior powers?
R:2 / I:2
Reaction image
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Has /cry/ noticed how much Satoko is starting to resemble Lambda's design in the post-kai arc?
R:3 / I:2
what an IDIOT
R:0 / I:0
R:5 / I:2
Was this scene really necessary?
R:1 / I:0
Do you like M. Zakky, /cry/?
R:38 / I:9
So this was Satoko bonking K1, right? The rest is an hallucination. Wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

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