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Welcome to the new When They /cry/ board! You can post Higurashi content without worrying about spoiling things. By default this board won't be showing up on /all/ or the front page. You can post about Umineko and Ciconia, too, but you should use spoiler options on those for the time being. This is something we can figure out together.
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Goodbye /cry/...


Is it really gone?


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/cry/ is now locked and will soon be delisted from the side panel thing! It will come back next June, and until then you can type in the URL manually to visit if you want.
Of course you can talk about WTC stuff on other boards!

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this rika just bit me
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I just bit this rika


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wait that was even a bit too lazy for me when I kept it at 93% opacity...


that was me scraping her chin and cheek off with my teeth


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this dlanor just bit me


Did it hurt?

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I've read through the first four VNs twice now and I'm about to start the answer arc. Here are my thoughts. I'm not gonna return to this thread until after I get through the next four VNs.

It's really difficult to come up with hypotheses. When the VNs reach the omake scenes of the characters commentating on events and giving their opinions, what they say feels like it's light-years ahead of my thinking. I don't think I have any uncommon insights into background events, I only have a scattered summary of what I saw and mostly took at face value. I really want to go see other people's thoughts during their first-time reads because I don't know how they could have possibly figured stuff out.

My hypotheses:
¥ The main question the VNs pose is: "Is this all the work of humans, or is there something supernatural going on?". I believe there are supernatural things going on. There really is an Oyashiro-sama who can cause the volcanic gases to emerge if he is angered, Rika knows certain things about the future including how people will die, and demons exist and have magic powers. That doesn't mean I take the whole story about 'transcendents' as fact. Regarding demons: Demons are a mental presence that can wax or wane in strength, and can be resisted when they are weak. When they are strong, they change your values, making you a violent predator of mankind.
[s yen]¥
Someone on Kissu said something about guessing that some characters are in cahoots. I think maybe Tomitake was asked by Ooishi to help out with the latter's private investigations. That's why he takes pictures of Keiichi in VN 1 and why in VN 2 he guards the door for Miyo and co when they're inside the storehouse. Basically the things that Tomitake is inclined to do anyway (befriend Miyo, visit Hinamizawa for photography) benefit Ooishi so why not ask him for info on top, or to steer events Ooishi's way.[s yen]

Things I am actively confused about:
¥ What's the meaning of the second set of footsteps that Keiichi hears in VNs 1 and 3?
[s yen]¥
When Keiichi is getting his fur seal keychain back from Angel Mort, that's when Shion tells him about the epic tale of the Hinamizawa Dam War. Keiichi at the time is under the impPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>I read through all of the answer arcs in a sort of mad rush that lasted from the weekend before this to last Friday night. I really did enjoy inhabiting that world. The intensity of a VN experience is so high
Nice! Yes, that's the best way to experience them and I can't agree any more with the intensity thing.

>Is everyone going to just forget that the Sonozakis have a torture room with implements that are actively maintained?
I just saw it as a combination of the Japanese "don't rock the boat" thing and the idea of powerful families having a bit more leeway to do whatever they want. You could also interpret it as a misinterpretation since the whole story is about paranoia and seeing things that aren't there. It's not a pitchfork used to tear out intestines, it's just a pitchfork to gather hay. Or something. Or it could be one of those things left as a physical reminder of the family's dark past to avoid repeating those mistakes. There's a lot of ways to excuse it away I think.

>So on paper it's a happy ending but there would be any number of other timelines that end in mass murder or at least misery for the kids.
Yep, lots and lots of misery. If/when you watch Gou/Sotsu this sticks out quite a bit and it's part of the reason people hate it.

>In VN 6 with the rooftop fight?
I don't remember the exact timing, but that was the moment I was thinking of, yes. It was certainly quite an emotional climax and it took so long to reach it. Sadly the anime didn't do it justice, but then there was probably no way it could have unless they gave the whole scene at least two episodes. The anime's SoL stuff is really fantastic, though. I think we could stream Higurashi again next year.
You should watch Higurashi Kira, though, as it's like a huge celebration of them finding their happiness with a bunch of wacky antics.


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some more stuff I thought of.
Akasaka's the spitting image of my IRL brother. I thought when I saw him, good thing my brother's alive and well because if he was dead I would not have been emotionally prepared to suddenly see someone who looks so similar.
Akasaka's victorious moment in VN 8, protecting Rika from five mountain dogs while the commander Okonogi hangs back, was over the border of believability but still earned and deserved.

the You song was something I first heard in the Kumikyoku Nico Nico Douga medley (which itself is something I learned about from the Automatic SMW video of it, anyway it's at around 4:30 in). That was a bit of a headfuck, "How did such an old VN reference that nico nico video... oh, it's the other way around!"

The final TIP in VN 8 set up a sequel hook with the mention of the sword with three tips. I assume Rei or Hou will get into it.


>the You song
Each main character has their own vocal version of it, by the way. They're very nice and very emotional. Very very beautiful things. Although you may know this already if you know of stuff like the Nico Nico medley since the songs come up once in a while on anime radio stuff and so on. Some guy uploaded them with lyrics on youtube a while back, but they got taken down. Someone else probably uploaded them again, though, I hope. There's like hours of 'You' versions. Rena's is very good at making me cry.


>all of the timelines have a claim of being real.
they're not quite timelines, they're fragments/kakera, worlds that exist separately in this infinite sea of them and what hanyuu does is transfer rika from one to another
it's closer to parallel universes and not a literal time loop like those of other stories, rather the fragments that fail are ruined and that's that as you said, gotta move on
they're also everpresent in umineko and you should absolutely read saikoroshi because it's a super important epilogue and this is relevant there as well
>When I learned that the parasite theory was the one that was actually true I was a bit disappointed, I was hoping that the main conspiracy had supernatural elements.
personally, i wasn't a fan of the shadow government twist. it bothered me that the true villain (or at least the source of takano's power) ended up being an outside organization able to whip out a body double with matching teeth to use as bait or gas the entirety of the village
i felt it went against the village-level theories both natural and supernatural, it's still not my favorite twist out there although you still can't change it without changing the entire story
in any case things get exponentially more supernatural in umi, even in retrospect, and gousotsu kind of goes further though it still was a massive unsatisfactory disappointment
>Is everyone going to just forget that the Sonozakis have a torture room with implements that are actively maintained?
they're my friends and that's obviously in the past

umi is workable in that you can still figure out a number of tricks without uncovering the true culprit, and from the looks of it people had actually figured out one of the biggest reveals apparently by EP3 already (the crystalized term appears in /jp/ and /a/ towards late 2009/EP5), but it's going to kick you in the face so no, you can think about it but no need to get too invested

tangential to the above, here's a thread i came across of people recounting their experiences on the two boards, even linking to warosu:
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In a perfect world, girls like me would not exist...
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It's Rena's world.


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ding dong


why is this rena face so weird lookin


she's peering into your soul so strongly that the world warps around her


yuck she's a cutter

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She was just playing by the rules.
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Imagine Hojo Satoko. Cute!


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Houjou Satoko is super duper mega cute.....!!!


I agree!!


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Satoko, tanjoubi omedetou!

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A thread ranking Higurashi: When They Cry characters by how much they cry.

1. Hojo Satoko
The undisputed champion of Higurashi, dubbed "Miss Higurashi" by Ryukishi himself, is none other than Hojo Satoko-chan. Notorious for her ceaseless bouts of crying, often punctuated by beckons for her "Nii-nii," Satoko is a veritable fountain of tears. In recent years she has managed to overcome her affliction through willpower, but it's not nearly enough to dethrone her. All hail the greatest Higurashi When They Crier!

2. Maebara Keiichi
He might like to posit a cool exterior, but the fact is our favourite male lead is actually a total crybaby, so much so that it lands him the coveted second spot on our list. He cries over his friends in Onikakushi, cries over Rika and Satoko's deaths in Watanagashi, cries over Satoko's abuse in Tatarigoroshi, cries over accusations of child abuse from Rena and flashbacks about Mion in Tsumihoroboshi... I mean really, how did this guy even manage to get anything done if he was busy bawling his eyes out so much? I guess in the world of When They Cry being a chronic crier is actually advantageous.

3. Sonozaki Mion
Keiichi told her she wasn't his friend anymore. She cried. Keiichi didn't give her a toy doll because she's too boyish. She cried. Keiichi accused her and her family of being complicit in a village-wide conspiracy of abuse against Satoko. She cried. What a baby! For being the heir to the powerful seat of the village leader she sure is a wuss! Third place was always guaranteed.

4. Sonozaki Shion
Shion does her fair share of crying, but, honestly, her moments of weakness are well-deserved. Tortured by her family, her almost-boyfriend seemingly murdered for inner-village politicking, her adopted sister stolen by her abusive uncle while the authorities ignore the facts. Her bold and steadfast personality often overshadows these moments enough to maybe fool you into forgetting them, but she has her moments of utter vulnerability. And of course there's her death scene in Meakashi, when she cries and begs for Satoko's forgiveness before throwing herself off the edge of the building. Even I cried.

5. Ryugu Rena
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Would you be willing to live in the village if it meant you could get reincarnated as one of the cute girls?


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>Would you be willing to live in the village

>reincarnated as one of the cute girls?
but then I can't be a soul brother


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>but then I can't be a soul brother
Same. Being a cute girl is nice and all, but in Hinamizawa I want to be one of the guys. Ideally in a fragment where Satoshi is still okay so we could be unstoppable.


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It's Sunday.


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oh shoot... I lost track of time.

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Alright, after severe procrastination going back years I finally got my setup going where I have my drawing tablet suspended over my head in bed and I have a game controller in my hand. Alas, I'm getting older and I can't really spend 15 hours a day with my arms in the air for weeks at a time and not get sore arms, so I was waiting until I could get this setup to read in bed before getting back into VNs seriously.
I will post updates in this thread as I read through it. Someone said somewhere I should remember the red text, so maybe I'll take a screenshot of it every time and also make other screenshots and post them in the thread as I talk about it and maybe other people can talk about stuff (and please don't spoil things, although Gou/Sotsu already did that to an extent I feel).

I'm using some PS3 patch thing with the 'Witch Hunt'. I do find the original Ryukishi07 portraits kind of charming, but also distracting, so I'm going with the PS3 versions.
It's time to hopefully completely lose my connection to reality for a period of time again. I love that feeling.
To be continued...
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They're good stuff. Though Gold is apparently ultra dead, has been for some time now.
Looking at the wiki, the statement for most episodes is something like: There are no more than 18 humans on this Rokkenjima. Even counting Erika, it checks out.


I decided to put off those chapters and I think I might read them soon. Although, I wonder how much of everything I've forgotten. I hope you don't need to remember too many specifics, but I guess other people went years between reading this so I should be fine.
Just like with other stories I've enjoyed, however, music does a great job of making me remember things!


based. enjoy fren!


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Thanks! I think I'll delay it a little bit, but I'll probably make a thread for it on uhh... /jp/ I guess? I guess we'll see how things pan out. I'm quite good at procrastinating


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Based on what?

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Question for >>>/qa/115969
Do you still have this set up? I tried to get it running on my machine, but I suck dick and this stuff and kept running into endless errors. Asking 'cause I ran into this documentary(?) on Umineko from a NHK show on otaku stuff and would like to see what they're talking about, exactly:
Seems some guy on on a discord server gave it a go five years ago but his video with its half translation has been taken down since then.


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Yeah, I'm kind of curious, too. Although, they might have /cry/ hidden.
I'm mostly interested in doing video game stuff with AI, but that's far more difficult than simple video...


>Do you still have this set up?
I do.

Here's a brief instruction guide to setting everything up on Windows:

1. Download and install Python. When doing so, make sure to check the box on the first page of the installer that says, 'Add python.exe to PATH'. All other defaults are fine as you run the installer.
2. Open a new Command Prompt window (either type CMD or Command Prompt into the Windows search). Using the Windows Terminal is fine too.
3. Enter 'Python'. You should see something like, 'Python 3.X.Y'. If you do, you can close this window. If you don't see this, you forgot to add Python to PATH.

4. Download FFmpeg, and extract it somewhere. You can put it wherever you want. I recommend putting it somewhere it won't be deleted or moved.
5. Type PATH into the Windows Search. Click 'Edit the system environment variables'. Click 'Environment Variables'
6. Under 'User variables for <username>', click 'Path', then 'Edit'.
7. Click 'New', then enter the path to wherever you extracted 'ffmpeg-7.0.1-full_build' to. (e.g. 'C:\Applications\ffmpeg-7.0.1-full_build\bin\')
8. Click 'OK', 'OK' again, and then 'Apply'. You can then close the System Variables window.
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its a very cute episode. particularly liked ryukishi talking about the fan that thought about 'all the twists he hadn't even thought of'


Heh, English-only pigs go on such great lengths just to avoid learning Japanese.


It's important to call out companies that produce bad subtitles. Otherwise we'll end up with the dubs of the early 90s again. Where they cut out half the content and change the story.

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cuh.... c-c-cuh....
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That is NOT what she said!


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Highly inappropriate behaviour from a teacher...


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Seems entirely appropriate to me.


Please spoiler this lust provoking image.

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happy wife, happy life
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Yeah I know, I just neglected to delete that text from when I was previewing before and made a new post without noticing...


Say it in red


I'm a fucking idiot that didn't check the textbox before pressing submit, okay?? I admit it!


You are incompetent!


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There's a very interesting short story about the experimental works of a fictional author, An Examination of the Work of Herbert Quain, that really reminded me of R07, and wanted to share it. It's by Borges.

Quain, recently deceased and mostly unsuccessful, first writes a mystery novel: The God of the Labyrinth, an otherwise regular inquiry into an assassination, save for a sentence at the end:
>‘Everyone thought that the encounter of the two chess players was accidental.’ This phrase allows one to understand that the solution is erroneous. The unquiet reader re-reads the pertinent chapters and discovers another solution, the true one. The reader of this singular book is thus forcibly more discerning than the detective.
Supremely relevant to Umineko, the reader figuring it out while the detective fails to do so. But even more relevant is his next work, April March.

April March (the book itself) is composed like a game:
>In judging this novel, no one would fail to discover that it is a game; it is only fair to remember that the author never considered it anything else. ‘I lay claim in this novel,’ I have heard him say, ‘to the essential features of all games: symmetry, arbitrary rules, tedium.’
It's made up of thirteen chapters, in a structure arranged as shown in this diagram:
This one's a doozy. The important part is that there's a fundamental chapter, Z, that is shared among all the stories told inside the book. It's comparable to the intial state of the gameboard or the outcome of Rokkenjima. Then, Y1, Y2, and Y3 are separate possible scenarios that branch out from there, and each of them branch once more into three more, X from 1 to 9. That's what the brackets represent. So what you have is one book that contains within it nine different stories that share major unavoidable plot elements and are alternate universes of each other, much like what happens with fragments. Furthermore,
>Whoever reads the sections in chronological order (for instance: X3, Y1, Z) will lose the peculiar savour of this strange book. Two narratives —X7, X8— lack individual worth; mere juxtaposition lends them effectiveness...
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April March's biggest hypothetical complexity comes from the first chapter, which is chronologically the ending, having a different meaning because the story of each of the branches are distinct from or even oppose one another. That's why I say Umi and Higu are much more unified, in WTC you do have an overarching message that its arcs progressively iterate on.
Anyways, Quain has two more novels that I didn't include because they're not relevant: The Secret Mirror, which... doesn't really matter, and Statements, where he implies a story that he purposefully foils so that the reader can imagine it themselves and feel like a writer. It seems that's partly what Borges himself is doing here.
>>a man spends three months reading up on Hebrew theology to unravel a murder
The idea behind it was that there were Jews sacrificing Jews to reveal the 100th name of God, and that the symmetry of the ritual would reveal where the last would take place. He was wrong, and he was right.
But yeah it's also interesting how some people genuinely connect Umineko to Christianity, I think the most peculiar review comes from a literature channel where he mostly focuses on the faith and love aspect of the story:
He even refers to the arcs as individual books.

It enriches the experience.


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How is the music in this book? Is the art good?

But seriously, I don't know why but it's very VERY difficult for me to get into books. The concept seems very cool, but how long is it? How long does it take until it "gets good"?


>How long does it take until it "gets good"?
Immediately, it's six pages long actually, from a collection of seventeen short stories. The one it starts off with is the longest (and densest) in the book, and it's less than twenty pages long. If you want to give it a look I'd recommend starting with The Library of Babel, though I'm not sure you'd like any of the others from part 1. The South is a funny one, it's a lot like a weeaboo going into Japan and screwing things up except it's in Argentina and rather dreamlike.

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What are the implications of this?


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I think he's being dishonest, but not in a malicious way. He did create Gousotsu, is currently working on Silent Hill and Higurashi has a gacha so his standards aren't exactly high. He should just say he wants to take a break from it or something.


Well, if the pic is legit of course. I don't trust this stuff without sources.


That he either thinks Japan is at war right now or he was completely unaware of all the wars that were going on when he wrote his other stuff. Or maybe he was secretly eastern European all along.


i found the source for op's charred jaypeg, it's from here in the references:
it quotes a collection of western fanart they sent physically to ryuukishi that he replied to, you can download the pdf here and see the full thing in pages 83-88
the last of the replies being the one in question
anyways the general consensus was that the pandemic was what set ciconia back due to it clearly referencing that a pandemic would take place, and then it took place in real life, obviously that makes things much harder to write
ukraine and i assume palestine didn't help either but i don't think it was in this sense as impactful as 2020


Thanks. Interesting. A call for fanart on... instagram. Huh. Really cool that he replied to EVERYONE there. What a nice guy.
I'm more likely to believe his words there since he's talking to an individual casually instead of in a professional way towards a reporter.

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It is what it is and it can't be helped


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Did you know?
Gousotsu is graduation spelled backwards.


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Thanks for watching everybody! Here's some key art from the staff to see you off


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Neat. I guess things could be worse. They could have turned Higurashi into a gacha, but we don't have to worry about that ever happening!

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I love when they cry!


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>I love when they cry!
So does Ryukishi07.


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I love it when they Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai


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Same here dood!


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True. Cute rikker!
Nice to hear friend!

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I saw you about to make that post.
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I saw that repost.


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I saw you consulting the indoctrination manual before making that post, CIA-kun.


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Rena is CUTE


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the frame that saved kissu


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Keiichi-kun! You got any games on your phone?

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