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      I want to nakadashi *girl* has become a popular phrase on imageboards (mostly 4chan). But it's a mix of Japanese and English. If I was going to say "I want to cum inside Holo" fully in Japanese, how would I go about doing that? In the English sentence, nakadashi is a loan word and it is the action being done, but in Japanese I don't think 中出し is a verb. Can it be verbified by adding する to it? And then you conjugate it to say you "want" to do it. So the end result would be 私はホロで中出ししたい which would translate to I want to cum inside Holo. Am I correct?

      Japanese is fun to learn.

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      No.154055

      >>154054
      https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1607129785
      at least until part3

    3. Post 154056
      Anonymous
      No.154056

      >>154054
      Delete Duol*ngo from your internet history, for your own good. It does not teach grammar, it teaches you how to reorder words how they want you to and it is not good. It is not good for learning kanji or words either.
      Learn some basic grammar, learn to recognize a few hundred kanji and some thousand or two thousand words, and start reading erotic novels about little girls going to the park and eating ice cream. You might wanna start with a manga though, pictures can help with context in the beginning until you get used to things. Mokuro (ocr manga) is great in combination with Yomitan (web browser hover over any word for dictionary lookup).

      For grammar, maybe read through tae kim.
      You can also try DOJG and DOJG deck
      https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/
      https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
      It will streamline your learning a bit if you need a kick in the back to know where to walk in the beginning.

      If you really REALLY struggle to tell kanji apart you can try something like https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1722008986 this "radical" deck to learn some basic components. The names are not official and they are not actually radicals.
      After that I think kaishi 1.5k is maybe better than core 2k or core6k https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1196762551 but I honestly didn't use either of them so I can't say for sure. I just know kaishi is suposed to be hyper specific for people who want to start immersing immediately which everyone should want to.
      You'll want to mine your own words anyways, it's easier when your reviews and new words are all words you've recently tried reading. Misunderstandings can be cleared up over time when a sentence doesn't make sense with context, then you look into the word causing issues due to multiple meanings or a vaguely different meaning than you thought.

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      >>154054
      参考になれれば嬉しい限りです。

    5. Post 154062
      Anonymous
      No.154062

      >>154056
      I don't use duo anymore, I learnt katakana from tofugu this time.
      > to recognize a few hundred kanji and some thousand or two thousand wo
      You shouldn't say that so lightly, "just learn 100+ alphabet bro" but I suppose I have no choice. I will also use these links, I was looking for resources.
      >>154055
      Thank
      >>154061
      Wakaranai :(

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      >>154062
      >I learnt katakana from tofugu this time.
      I assume you mean kana. Katakana is アイウエオ, Hiragana is あいうえお. Kana is the word for both of them, basically not Kanji. If you mean you only learned Katakana then before you do anything else you need to learn Hiragana. Hiragana is pretty much everywhere in Japanese. Katakana is mostly used for emphasis or loan words.
      >You shouldn't say that so lightly, "just learn 100+ alphabet bro" but I suppose I have no choice. I will also use these links, I was looking for resources.
      I have forgotten a little bit of what it is to start out. I remember it was hard, but I was stubborn and kept going. You will need to learn thousands of words and a ton of squigglies. That's the reality. It will happen over time, not in one day. It's okay. It gets easier at some point.

      Anki is magic. It's scientifically designed to help you learn a lot fast by having you recall what something is right before you forget it and expanding the durations over time. It's not perfect, the words you will truly understand are the ones you've seen over and over in context, but it's a good way to bootstrap your beginning.
      You can take it kinda slow in the beginning, it's the hardest part for most people since everything is new and you don't have any prior information to build on and they really can't read to retain information. You will mix up words a lot, you will mix up kanji a lot. Failure is learning. Fail a lot, every day. Anki will remind you of your failures, every day. Stay strong, there's nothing wrong with you the beginning is just difficult.
      I don't know how much you can handle, but I started with only a few kanji a day and like five words a day because I was afraid of failure. This obviously didn't get me very far, but it was difficult enough until I could get over my fear of failing to remember something. You could probably manage this amount to some extent. You will probably forget the words a few times before you remember them, it's okay. When you start getting the hang of it you can try upping to 7 words, 10 words, and so on. I started doing 20 a day after about 3 months by slowly pushing my limits. I do more than this now, but you really don't have to and reviews will cut into immersion time. Just don't go nuts adding 50 words because they will pile up and you will probably forget half of them and reviews will be completely unmanagable in a matter of days or weeks.

      I didn't touch any grammar in the beggining and just focused on kanji and words for some time until I felt I was used to that and wanted more, at least it made the example sentence words readable.
      If you're struggling with grammar whenever you start that, maybe the first 12 videos in this Cure Dolly playlist will help:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSvH9vH60Ig&list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWj
      I stopped at the first 12 and moved on to other resources, but it felt helpful at the time when I didn't even understand the core concepts and reading was hurting my brain. No idea about the rest of the videos, didn't watch them.
      Sorry to overload you with information, but take your time. It's gonna take a while.

      >Wakaranai :(
      I just wanted to leave a cute kanji picture that you will look back on one day and go "oh I know this". The text basically says something to the amount of "I will be delighted if this can be useful to you" although not literally that.

    7. Post 154066
      Anonymous
      No.154066

      https://dokushoclub.com/free-reading-resources/n4-free-reading-resources/
      Gonna try and tackle a book or two for a month until I switch over to N3 grade for the rest of the year, I figure

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      Anonymous
      No.154068

      My 1 month N4 speedrun ciriculum is probably going to be something like this... it's designed to gateway me into not being completely out of depth approaching N3 graded content and communication topics during the months of June/July.

      Raw Vocab+Kanji :
      Core 2000 Part 3 along with already studied 1 & 2
      https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1752619191
      Supposedly the hardest in the original Core 2000 set?
      - overall 600+ kanji in sentences

      Literary Reading:
      n4 books
      https://dokushoclub.com/2025/04/25/n4-the-human-chair/
      Along with 2 other selections from:
      https://dokushoclub.com/free-reading-resources/n4-free-reading-resources/
      - Pick out vocabulary I don't know and memorize them from 3 books

      Mixed media entertainment:
      Anime/Eroge/Games
      Not for purpose of vocabulary but casual understanding of media.
      Cheating allowed for better engagement with material.
      - 3 major titles for the month

      Listening:
      Audiodrama/ASMR etc.
      Be able to hear words in casual settings.
      Applying learned vocabulary with a vocal settings.
      - 1 title per week

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      Anonymous
      No.154069

      Goal: Hit a strong enough beginner level that I can begin to tackle intermediate topics and approach dynamic+real world language scenarios using tools and learned skills.

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      >>154065
      I learnt Hiragana. My brain is fried, fuck.
      I'm a wagie so I will try to use what little time I usually have to follow this advice. Going slow is the key for me. Going too fast makes me forget.
      >I just wanted to leave a cute kanji picture that you will look back on one day and go "oh I know this"
      Hope I get there one day anon.

    11. Post 154094
      Anonymous
      No.154094

      Something kinda concerning about the listening training is how I can't actually look up words on the fly so I have to just make mental note of everything I don't understand and try to make associations with vocabulary I'll learn later.

      Very hard to get vocabulary training out of listening

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      Anonymous
      No.154095

      This site looks pretty great.
      https://yomuyomu.app/lessons/courses/2-the-human-chair?chapter=2
      If I get value out of it I'll probably get 2 months worth of subscription on it

    13. Post 154097
      Anonymous
      No.154097

      >>154094
      the secret to listening, as insane as it may sound is "to just understand it". What is crucial for that is film. You want to watch film (or anime, I suppose), so you can SEE the subject of the conversation. If you know WHAT they are talking about, you can make connections much more easily.
      A central aspect in studying by listening is being comfortable with not understanding. Your brain is good enough to handle all this, as long as you can understand the words.

    14. Post 154099
      Anonymous
      No.154099

      >>154094
      Have you tried using the memento video player? It has yomichan built-in for Japanese subtitles, so you can look stuff up.

    15. Post 154100
      Anonymous
      No.154100

      >>154097
      true enough. I was thinking of approaching listening the same way you do in an academic setting with the cassette tapes just playing things like interviews, expecting you to the fill out a questionaire to show you understood it or not.
      Having the visual cues is much more realistic. Still I think I will do both, but I should place more emphasis on the visual parts of listening

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      >>154100
      pick a movie, any movie.
      Preferably one you have already seen before and just watch it in your target language with subtitles in your target language and try to keep up. That's all there is to listening practice.
      It'll be grueling and not very fun, but it works quite well.

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      Anonymous
      No.154102

      >>154101
      Was picking that movie part of your plan?

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      Anonymous
      No.154104

      >>154101
      dubfags would tell you they're unable to hear the difference between hardy's peerless performance and that of yamaji

    19. Post 154105
      No.154105

      >>154102
      もちろんだ

    20. Post 154106
      Anonymous
      No.154106

      >>154104
      honestly, the place scene is such a masterpiece of acting. Aidan Gillen's performance of CIA is one of the highest points of cinema in the previous decade.

    21. Post 154308
      Anonymous
      No.154308

      Flashcards are too addicting... It's like the only thing I can do consistently with little push. I know I need to stop doing them but I can just pull out my phone and run out 300 of them for 30 minutes and then feel like I've done enough

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      Anonymous
      No.154313

      >>154308
      Used to do the same thing, but didn't feel like it wasn't enough. My goal was remembering as much kanji/vocab as I could, and I was doing it everyday for 2+ hours for at least a year; came out remembering a shit ton of kanji. The readings at least... Writing goes away as soon as you stop anki (if you were practicing writing). I don't know the deck you're using, but the deck I was using also gave audio/text examples of the kanji in use so it worked immersion as well.

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      Anonymous
      No.154314

      >>154308
      I wake up, drink my coffee, do my flashcards, then read and watch stuff the rest of the day. Flashcards are a chore, but not one I dislike doing. You don't need to stop doing them, but you need to get addicted to something else in addition. If you really need some numbers to motivate yourself, start chasing numbers on anidb/mal/al, mydramalist, vndb, and such. Feel accomplishment in your "hours immersed" statistic that you can look at and go, wow I used Japanese a lot this month.

      Besides, need to mine new cards.

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      Anonymous
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      This yomuyomu.app website actually has a flashcard builder where you can save kanji from their articles and stories... it's something I've wanted for hgames earlier this year but would have had to manually build myself.

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      Anonymous
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      Speaking of which, has anyone built their own decks before?

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      >>154328
      >it's something I've wanted for hgames earlier this year but would have had to manually build myself.
      Textractor + Yomitan give one click cards in eroge. You can then use a kanji addon to check all your mined kanji if you want to go over them individually. You can also configure it to allow setting up kanji cards in addition to words, but you'll have to do each kanji manually as you see them.
      Makes it easy to start immersing fast.

      >>154329
      The standard is to start with something like 1.5k kaishi or 2k core and start mining from there on. You should automate it as much as possbile for the things you immerse with. I've mined 15k cards this year while reading and watching things. >>152367 Use these for mining from anime and manga effortlessly. If I see a word relatively frequently, but keep forgetting it, I put it on top the pile so I can focus on learning it immediately and stop wasting time looking it up.

      https://learnjapanese.moe/vn/
      https://learnjapanese.moe/yomichan/

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      Anonymous
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      >>154328
      WAITWAITWAIT
      YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT https://lazyguidejp.github.io/jp-lazy-guide/ YET?
      DO IT RIGHT NOW

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      Anonymous
      No.154332

      >>154331
      yeah, I just put them into a spreadsheet and said I'd do it later

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      Anonymous
      No.154373

      It's surprisingly easy to write out kanji once you get the knack for the typical writting patterns of horizontal bars, then vertical lines. With a couple of exceptions.
      When I get the gist of that I can start to do repetition drills in the form of Look, Cover, Write, Check ... something which is apparently only really drilled into you in the UK elementary school system ... and memorize words at a more reliable rate than flashcards.



      >>154331
      I guess the audio capture in ShareX is what you're trying to point out?
      I dunno. There's so much other teaching material that gives you what you're looking for without having to set up text and audio extractors.
      And for this other stuff outside of teaching material... Kinda superstitious like where I think that putting in more effort to find something means you'll remember it better

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      something else to just gripe about with it is that it doesnt have the intonation built in like YomuYomu. But I think it pronounces correctly

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      After doing reading exercises I've thought about it and the words I know best come from flashcards and when reading I understand that there's a lot of opportunity to cement things you learn from context.
      And writting out the stories by hand and listening to a generated voice(with dramatized intonation) gives you more ways to learn the terms that you wouldn't get during cards .

      So my current plan is updated to around an hour of cards a day+. Current rate is 2000 words covered by July 1st
      Reading some stories on yomuyomu. Building a better understanding of the language through literature.
      Some asmr.one sfw stuff.(No great systems yet)
      Need to work in speeches but it will probably tie in with the above two. With some improv.

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      Anonymous
      No.154593

      >>153447
      The pronunciation of words is such a difficult thing... I can't get used to adjusting myself to it and I suck at correcting my voice since I don't even know how to use it in English...

    33. Post 154608
      Anonymous
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      >>154593
      was doing something for the first time ever easy

    34. Post 154609
      Anonymous
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      1hr30min of flashcards a day is quite something...

    35. Post 154616
      Anonymous
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      >>154608
      No it's not but I've tried rolling my Rs constantly and for some reason anything intentional that's vocal I just consistently suck at. Makes me wish I wasn't raised on American English and instead proper British English since there's more of a concentrated effort in it to sound proper unlike in American where you just sound the way you sound and it's ok.

    36. Post 154618
      Anonymous
      No.154618

      >>154616
      The Japanese G sounds seems much weirder to me.

      https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/japanese/lets-practice/rariru/

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      Anonymous
      No.154619

      >>154616
      I remember some kids struggled with rolling Rs in my native language despite most kids already being long capable of it. They all got it eventually, you probably will too if you keep trying and practicing.

      >>154618
      You are thinking from an English native perspective so you are more blind to how absurd English is. The English G is retarded (And here in English it's practically silent?). It's pronounced gee (じい) (alternatively germ ジェるむ if you want a real word), but also good ぐっど. It's not even the same sound. がげぎごぐ are consistent and not intermixable with じゃ ジェ じ じょ じゅ like English or being almost unnoticeable in -ing sounds.

    38. Post 154621
      Anonymous
      No.154621

      >>154609
      Don't fall into card hell like I did. It just makes your JP more random if you know a bunch of vocab and don't have good practice in actually stringing them together with grammar and knowing which are proper in what scenarios. There's conversational words and ones more for text and then ones that are very conversational and if you don't understand what is what when you're speaking you'll be making mistakes left and right that make you sound very unnatural. Also cards kinda suck in that they give you the English definitions of words and not the JP ones so they leave out a bit of context if they're not explicitly stating what each word is for in particular. Its something I noticed from use of my own core2k deck in that I end up with a bunch of words that I think could fit a particular use case but because of a facet of the Japanese definition that was left out I don't understand that there's only one word that actually works.

      Like you wouldn't say「ドアノブを握る」, you'd say「ドアノブを掴む」. Even though both seem to have an English definition of "grip", but「握る」describes a state and「掴む」describes the action.

      Also there was a card that used「さす」as a way to describe "pour" or "apply to" with the example sentence「自転車に 油をさしたの」but it just caused me confusion in the long run because I believed I was able to say something like「牛肉にバッターを差した」to mean "I rubbed butter into the steak" which is completely wrong. Not just because I used the wrong verb but because I was mistakenly lead to believe that I could use a single verb as "Rub into", in this case「塗る」is the proper verb for rub but to make it apply for the case of "Rub into" it needs to be「塗り込む」. What「差す」actually works for in the case of the example sentence is because of the shape of the item you use to apply the oil onto a bicycle. It's a tube usually and「差す」is used for those sort of shaped items like umbrellas or katanas. It's odd and somewhat complex but apparently for that case you want to look at more visuals for what's expressed to understand what's going on since there's a lot of those kinds of verbs in Japan that may seem like they have one English meaning but actually it's just something completely different that's only being translated into English in one way because that's the easiest way to use it in the sentence. Also「注ぐ」is the proper word for general pouring.

    39. Post 154623
      Anonymous
      No.154623

      >>154619
      The thing is that when I listen to japanese G it's more like an N midsentence, but i think sometimes it's a hard G as well...

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      >>154459
      Good work, anon! That's a lot of cards... Reminds me of my anki hell days.
      >Building a better understanding of the language through literature.
      Yeah, that's something I realized was the better way to do it, a little too later than I'd liked to have realized it... Was putting off reading LNs and stuff "until I know a lot of kanji", but really if I wanted to read the LN with kanji, I should have just read the LN and looked up any unfamiliar kanji I came across. That's what I do now, I even have a custom deck of just the new kanji I found in media, dropping the premade decks altogether.

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      https://exhentai.org/g/642120/c1004d84fa/

      Fap time is the most important time to convert into studying.

    42. Post 154742
      Anonymous
      No.154742

      >>154621
      These problems are mainly a lack of immersion and flashcards do not deserve a bad reputation from them. Flashcards help you understand the immersion, that's what they're for. Flashcards are not meant to make you master and output language.
      When you use flashcards, you need to accept them as vague template database entries in your brain waiting for input. Always assume you don't understand a word until you've seen it dozens of times in context, and most likely your brain won't try to use them if you've only seen them in writing either. Eventually you can also switch to Japanese dictionary flashcards. Some of the JP definitions will still be vague and immersion will eventually solve most of these.
      If anon is a neet, 1 hour of flashcards in the morning and 10 hours of immersion is reasonable. Eventually anon will either run out of mined flashcards or increase the difficulty of whatever anon is reading and watching to get new flashcards.

      Of course you don't have to use flashcards if you don't want to and overreliance on them is bad and arguably someone who isn't a neet and has more limited time should just immerse or use a *very* low flashcard amount for common words they know they struggle with and nothing else so they don't lose precious immersion time, but they are a godsend for people who have to learn how to read thousands of kanji and people who want to learn how to read an insane amount of words a year. I also have some mined cards that I end up just suspending immediately when I get to them, it means I learned those naturally, but I have an considerable amount of cards that show up and I don't even remember coming across it before. These would take forever to remember how to input without anki, but I still want to learn them fast.

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      >>154459
      I'm adjusting my method on flashcards because the number is piling up. Hard to memorize 17 new words a day and it eats into other time I could be doing other things.

      So to try and get better retention I'm:
      - Writing out the individual vocabulary cards I don't get while comparing it against the information on Jisho with what the card presents.
      - Reading out sentences with the core2000 narration to work on pronunciation and phonology.
      - Ignoring and isolated word homophones (風邪 vs 風) that don't appear to have any intonation differences(even then I have a better source of information for homophones)
      - Adjusting the new cards to be more weighted towards the decks I'm finding easier and less on the hard. I'll catch up later when the easy ones finish first.

      I'm getting close to the two hour mark for vocabulary which is past the amount of time I'm willing to spend on it. Plus this should give me more educational value out of them

    44. Post 155106
      Anonymous
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      not really language but a Dogen bump

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      >>155106
      Holy crap 107k views in 3 days? I had no idea that guy was so popular, or is just Japan in general now?
      People have been saying the "you missed the boat on being an English teacher in Japan" thing for a long time. I've been reading it since the 00s when the blogs started about the subject. The competition is surely very strong now, which means wages are going to plummet and all advantages go to the employer. I've heard these days you want to have degrees in English language as a native speaker for the best jobs, which makes sense. Japan is not just the dream destination for a few nerds on usenet any more, you're competing with hundreds of thousands of others seeking to carve up a piece of the pie.
      I wonder what the Gaijinsmash guy is up to these days...

    46. Post 155113
      Anonymous
      No.155113

      >>155110
      the algorithm giveth and taketh

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      Bought paper with lines on it in a book form. Will do some free writting and my flashcard memorization on them

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      https://eowp-shop.alc.co.jp/
      https://tsukubawebcorpus.jp/search/
      some quite useful sites

    49. Post 155460
      Anonymous
      No.155460

      >>155110
      The truth is and always has been that you need to get a real job in Japan.
      English teacher is not a real job.

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      Stupid deck

    51. Post 155589
      Anonymous
      No.155589

      thinking about creating sample sentences with vocabulary I get wrong twice in a deck

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      I felt stupid when I couldn't remember the top200 kanji for chigai 違 but I could perfectly remember hatake 畑 [or even better 圃].

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      If you are familiar at all with memory palaces, you can integrate Kanji into them to remember.
      I have done this with 苔 and 茫 anyways. They are stones on the shore of my island.

    54. Post 155643
      Anonymous
      No.155643

      >>155641
      Never taken the time to try to create a memory palace, does it work like it's shown in Sherlock? Do you have 10s of thousands of rooms with each kanji?

    55. Post 155644
      Anonymous
      No.155644

      >>155643
      I lack discipline and focus, so it's a sparse landscape.
      Just attesting that it does work if you take the steps to visualize it as an exercise a few times. I warp myself to the familiar landscape, even if it has nothing related to what I'm trying to recall, then "walk" from there.

    56. Post 155645
      Anonymous
      No.155645

      Started using very easy a lot more after learning about some quirks with Anki's staging system. By doing too much Easy and Again you end up trapping yourself with redoing too many easy cards diluting your progress and time.

      https://readbroca.com/anki/ease-hell/

      Due tommorow: 489 cards

    57. Post 155652
      Anonymous
      No.155652

      >>155645
      I think this gets fixed if you use the FSRS algorithm plugin. Don't know if they've integrated it into base anki yet.

    58. Post 155654
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      >>155645
      https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/876946123
      ¥Pass/Fail 2: Remove the "Easy" and "Hard" buttons
      This actually saves time because you won't have to think what to click, and with FSRS if you use it doesn't even care what you think and cards will ease themselves just fine without crashing back down to 1d unless you keep forgetting it.

    59. Post 155656
      Anonymous
      No.155656

      >>155652
      It's in the base version now, just press options on a deck.

    60. Post 155658
      Anonymous
      No.155658

      >>155645
      I do like it this way, because it forces a certain level of perpetual perfection and discipline.

    61. Post 155676
      Anonymous
      No.155676

      > Food for the Soul (日々は過ぎれど飯うまし, Hibi wa Sugiredo Meshi Umashi, lit. "Days Go By But Food Is Delicious")
      Translations...

    62. Post 155677
      Anonymous
      No.155677

      >>155676
      this is idiomatic language that doesn't exist in English, you have to use a separate idiom with similar meaning. This ain't the right one, though. As "food for the soul" isn't literal food.

    63. Post 155680
      Anonymous
      No.155680

      >>155677
      I swear you could buy a book off of the bookshelves with a title structured similarly.
      Unless there's some special meaning to it that associates it with soul food, or the literary genre associated with meaningless feel good stuff...

    64. Post 155704
      Anonymous
      No.155704

      thinking of adjusting from 'listening to audio' to 'audio translations' but audio is a pain because I can't find JLPT ranked audio.

    65. Post 155705
      Anonymous
      No.155705

      ChatGPT saves again.
      Reminded me of this site and found me a couple of other samples
      https://jpdb.io/anime-difficulty-list

      https://chatgpt.com/share/6848af50-6ca8-8002-9861-29c5d0e94917

    66. Post 155892
      Anonymous
      No.155892

      Hitting very easy is helping my card distribution slowly, only 488 cards due tomorow apparently, but it is actually more than that I think and anki is lying. Takes so much time

    67. Post 155893
      Anonymous
      No.155893

      Only 4509 cards(minus any katakana cards that are easy) left.
      new cards per day: 115
      Time that I stop using flashcards to learn the core2000 vocab: 39 Days.
      Estimated end date: July 21st

    68. Post 155894
      Anonymous
      No.155894

      Total Cards actions today: 1005

    69. Post 155932
      Anonymous
      No.155932

      I stopped beating my head with anki cards and just started playing VNs and watching anime with JP subs. Definitely lazier but I feel like I've made a decent amount of progress in terms of recognizing kanji/comprehending sentence structures.

    70. Post 155936
      Anonymous
      No.155936

      >>155932
      on topic sager

    71. Post 155938
      Anonymous
      No.155938

      >>155932
      You can do both.

    72. Post 155939
      Anonymous
      No.155939

      >>155938
      Not if you're doing 1k cards a day, then you're doing Anki all day.

    73. Post 155940
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      I'm not a Japanese learner, but I think for learning in general it's important not to overload and overwork yourself or you risk burn out or glazing over things. It's like reading too fast and then forgetting what you just read.
      That's how it works for me at least. There's a hard limit on what I can commit to memory in a specific timeframe.

    74. Post 155941
      Anonymous
      No.155941

      >>155939
      So do less cards.

    75. Post 155944
      Anonymous
      No.155944

      I'm mixed between whole-word-reading or kanji memorization+pronounciation for Japanese adult learners...

    76. Post 155945
      Anonymous
      No.155945

      thought inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvCT31BOLDM

    77. Post 155947
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      >>155944
      For kun'yomi, that's more or less a false dichotomy with how many of them are standalone. But for on'yomi, what can be more effective is to know component families and their range of variation. Though even that is stupidly fucking complex, so what I can recommend to you is this extremely solid paper that's the best bang for your buck you could possibly get:
      https://sci-hub.st/http://www.jstor.org/stable/24394347
      At its end it has rankings based on multiple factors that summarize how some characters like 義 (gi), 長 (chou), 章 (shou), 及 (kyuu), etc., are useful and reliable as a heuristic (議/儀/犠 are all gi as well for example), it's a really good investment to pick up on this so I'm shilling for it again. It's basically a cheat code and you should seriously read it.

    78. Post 155954
      Anonymous
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      >>155947
      The thing is that I do a lot of writting based memorization so I'm beging to understand the frequency on a more natural way.

      But my problem is more that I need to learn the cards fast or my repetitions get insanely long. So I have to use as many methods as possible.

      I can't see a research paper on kanji writting frequency as being beneficial for this because it has only tangential benefit to words themselves and the patterns you're supposed to learn

    79. Post 155957
      Anonymous
      No.155957

      Blech so exausting.

      i didn't make it in time for day change so the number of cards I have to do today is even higher. I might not be able to sleep today

    80. Post 155960
      Anonymous
      No.155960

      It's strategy change time again.

      Deck 8 is really easy. So I'm buying time for the harder decks to settle and focusing on it for the next 4 days after which I'll evaluate where is next easiest. I'll knock off all the easy ones going up in difficulty as each deck gets depleted

    81. Post 155982
      Anonymous
      No.155982

      >>155954
      >it has only tangential benefit to words themselves and the patterns you're supposed to learn
      It'll help you remember the readings of hundreds of characters more easily, how's that tangential? The vast majority of kanji follow this pattern. I understand if reading papers doesn't fit your chosen style, that's why I'm recommending just the one, and it'll help you more than just cards.

    82. Post 156008
      Anonymous
      No.156008

      >>155982
      But I'm literally learning the outcome of this paper by practicing anyways

    83. Post 156029
      Anonymous
      No.156029

      >>155982
      It's useless, because you can't THINK yourself out of learning how to read. It doesn't help you to KNOW how to read all these characters, to apply these rules and whatnot. Languages don't work like that, you learn them by feeling.

      It's better to just let the brain find the pattern on its own, even if it seems to take longer, because that makes it firmer than obessing over some rule that holds sometimes but not all of the time.

    84. Post 156116
      Anonymous
      No.156116
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      Deck 1 2 8 depleted.
      5 seems to be next easiest

    85. Post 156117
      Anonymous
      No.156117

      Does english have
      - Pitch accent
      - and Word durations(加工 kakou vs 過去 kako)
      ?

    86. Post 156118
      Anonymous
      No.156118

      >>156117
      First one, no, its accent is based on stress. Some European languages have pitch, but they're in the minority.
      It also doesn't have length in same way other languages do. The words "pot", "law", and "coin" all have something that can be described as an o-sound, of which pot is short while law is long, but they're actually all different vowels and the length difference isn't even that big in North American dialects, it's more pronounced in the UK and Australia. Same with pit vs meat, also different vowels. In Japanese it's just the same vowel but ~50% longer.
      So no to both.

    87. Post 156119
      Anonymous
      No.156119

      >>156118
      Ye.. makes sense why people say that the audio of japanese is harder than written.

      It's the curse of "simplicity" where it looks really nice and then you start trying to do things with it and realize that in order to achieve the same depth of communication you have to stuff in many other alternative concepts that require meta knowledge

    88. Post 156120
      Anonymous
      No.156120

      >>156119
      Pitch accent is at least not crucial, there are several different types of pitch across Japanese dialects, some of which lack it altogether, and they're still able to understand each other. In the few cases where it is contrastive, like 橋 vs 端 vs 箸, context is what's doing the heavy lifting. Wouldn't make sense to ask for a bridge inside a restaurant.
      The one that really fucks with English speakers is reducing unaccented vowels into schwas, it's a basic feature built into all varieties and makes their attempts at speaking other languages sound stereotypically like a slurry paste, in the same that someone clearly modulating every vowel sounds very ESL. That's one of the main things to watch out for, for a lv1 weab kowai and kawaii will sound identical because of it.

    89. Post 156121
      Anonymous
      No.156121

      Linking Dogen again because he explains literally everything here:
      https://nyaa.si/view/1497535

    90. Post 156122
      Anonymous
      No.156122

      >>156120
      you're not explaining this in a way that makes sense to me. I'm not sure what an unnacented/schwas is and how I tie that into mistaking kowai for kawaii?

      I'll download this set because I wasn't going to pay dogen for something he didn't advertise well.

    91. Post 156123
      Anonymous
      No.156123

      I might be overthinking it because I have a lot of vocal and musical training already digested into me and thinking I'm doing something wrong when it feels like I don't...

    92. Post 156124
      Anonymous
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      Should be able to do this in time even if I start after I finish the core2000 deck by Jul 15

    93. Post 156125
      Anonymous
      No.156125

      >>156122
      Essentially, each language has a set of rules that determines what sounds are permitted, in what positions, and in combination with that. These are your "constraints."
      First, let's look at how the words are composed in Japanese:
      怖い: /ko.wa.i/
      可愛い: /ka.wa.i.i/
      The sound /aii/ isn't natural for English, so it's immediately simplified to just /ai/, this is an extremely normal ocurrence. Now, both words end with /-wai/. But they still differ in the first vowel, right?
      Let's assume, now, that the English speaker is placing his stress on the /wai/, because it's a long sound, while the first syllable is short. It's not something that is guaranteed to happen, but it's very normal as well.

      Now, consider German, and a word like, say, "Letten." You may assume, by looking at the two <e>, that they both make the same sound. You'd be wrong. The first syllable, which is accented, makes the sound /ɛ/ (the standard e-sound of German), while the second syllable (which is unaccented) either sounds like /ə/ (a schwa) or disappears entirely, and the word is then pronounced /ˈlɛ.tn̩/ with a syllabic N (the ' indicates where the accent falls). It's reduced in volume and moved towards the center of the mouth, or deleted altogether, and this happens not only with all unaccented /e/ in German but with many other kinds of sounds across other Germanic languages, like English. Thus you see a Latin loan like "commence", clearly written with an <o>, pronounced as /kəˈmɛns/, collect as /kəˈlɛkt/, collude as /kəˈluːd/, along as /əˈlɔŋ/, assist as /əˈsɪst/, you get the idea by now: it's extremely common for the initial unaccented syllable in English to just be a schwa, and this can happen regardless of what letter it's written. This makes it infamous.

      If we now return to the Japanese words, we may expect them thus to be pronounced like this by an untrained English speaker:
      怖い: /kə'waɪ/
      可愛い: /kə'waɪ/
      And that's how they end up being homophonous.

      >>156124
      You don't need to watch the full thing, don't worry about that. Look at the basics, and whatever worries you at the moment. The individual videos are short, and you can jump into the videos for consonants or vowels without any need to have watched the ones about pitch.

    94. Post 156126
      Anonymous
      No.156126

      Crazy how these snake oil salesmen have managed to convince so many people that what they're peddling is somehow absolutely essential.

    95. Post 156128
      Anonymous
      No.156128

      >>156126
      t. non-knower

    96. Post 156150
      Anonymous
      No.156150

      >>156126
      vagueposting tard-kun........

    97. Post 156153
      Anonymous
      No.156153

      https://youtu.be/xX050NcDNAU?si=nLDOrU5vvbZ7HTsy&t=89
      feel like one of the most important feelings of advancing in japanese is understanding this without the context of the full sentence

    98. Post 156155
      Anonymous
      No.156155

      >>156125
      >Letten
      That's not a German word and your analysis of how this word would be pronounced in German if it existed is incorrect.
      The vowel prior to a double consonant is usually unstressed, rather than stressed and "en" specifically drops the e sound, but other "vowel-n" word endings like "an" and and "on" also drop the vowel in a similar fashion. Comparing "High German" pronunciation to English pronunciation in general is a very bad idea, as English is not too closely related to modern High German in the first place.

    99. Post 156159
      Anonymous
      No.156159

      >>156155
      You're right that it's not a good example example to use, I picked it arbitrarily, however the same thing happens with others like Lette or Kissen. That is besides the point though, that what I describe and what you describe are both the product of a sound system that was developed in Proto-Germanic.

    100. Post 156216
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      baka-lang

    101. Post 156217
      Anonymous
      No.156217

      apparently this is wrong
      They're all mid-high pitch?
      https://www.japandict.com/?s=shimeru&lang=eng

    102. Post 156218
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      Ya, my confidence in using ChatGPT for this is shattered.

      https://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/search/index/sortprefix:accent/narabi1:kata_asc/narabi2:accent_asc/narabi3:mola_asc/yure:visible/curve:invisible/details:invisible/limit:20/word:%E3%81%97%E3%82%81%E3%82%8B

    103. Post 156219
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      i hate homos!

    104. Post 156319
      Anonymous
      No.156319

      does 道 、車道 、道路 translate best to path, street and highway?

    105. Post 156326
      Anonymous
      No.156326

      >>156319
      No. 道路 refers to streets/roads in general, not just highways. 車道 specifically refers to the part of a street on which cars drive, in contrast to footpaths (歩道) and cycleways (自転車道). 道 can refer to paths, but it is used more broadly than the English term, commonly being used in reference to roads and such, especially in spoken Japanese.

    106. Post 156468
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      I'm able to read and understand spoken japanese quite well, I'm playing chaos;head right now and I can read about 99% of it. But when it comes to speaking or writing, I still suck... I've tried tried so many methods to train those skills, it feels like my japanese is doomed to be compreheinsion-only forever.

    107. Post 156472
      Anonymous
      No.156472

      Practicing helps with improvisation, but improvisation will always be that. You have to be ready to embrace failure when talking in a foreign language.
      Perhaps an idea that some cultures force onto the zeitgeist, is that foreigners are dirty therefore if you are to become one then you must be perfect, but the reality is that you're going to be an ugly gaijin for at least a portion of your time in dealing with foreign languages

    108. Post 156508
      Anonymous
      No.156508

      Blech, only 2700 cards(540 words minus katakana) left until I have enough vocabulary to start applying and mastering the <2000 words that core2000 thinks are important.
      Then I can start spending time on more nuanced things such as improving on the important vocabulary that were missed, building on my understanding of conjugations, reading in practice, composing thoughts and sentences in Japanese and so on.

      My listening comprehension is better just by having a larger set of words, but grammatical conjugations can be strange to deal with at times.
      At mature status on 748 words, ~560 are still being developed, 540 to get through, ~150 were pointless katakana loan words.

    109. Post 156510
      Anonymous
      No.156510

      Currently doing 120 cards a day so I've gone faster from my July 21st target to July 16/17. But the stack of reviews takes me basically my entire day and I was out most of yesterday so I was lying in bed trying to just get the new cards done and left a backlog of reviews.

      So today is going to be a but if a crunch

    110. Post 156512
      Anonymous
      No.156512

      >>156508
      Why do you have 2700 cards for 500 words?

    111. Post 156513
      Anonymous
      No.156513

      >>156512
      hello new chatter

      you have one word
      - 1 sentence made out of characters that you read
      - 1 sentence pronounced without seeing characters

      - 1 time seeing a raw kanji of the word
      - 1 time seeing an English translation of the word
      - 1 time hearing a pronunciation of the word

      The sentences can contain multiple words from other sets or words you've never heard before, but in all cases the goal is to understand the target words

    112. Post 156515
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      >>156513
      this actually really fucks with your retrieval curve
      the point of spaced repetition is to do some effort to try to remember what you've started to forget, and if you're seeing the same thing five times more than intended then that seriously tampers with the algorithm anki uses to achieve that

    113. Post 156517
      Anonymous
      No.156517

      >>156515
      that's why you turn on "auto bury cards with same note" so you only at most see a sentence and a character/

    114. Post 156518
      Anonymous
      No.156518

      in any case, I don't really care

    115. Post 156521
      Anonymous
      No.156521

      >>156517
      yeah but that still-
      >>156518
      hm okay

    116. Post 156522
      Anonymous
      No.156522

      >>156521
      stop being a nerd. Sometimes all you need is brute force

    117. Post 156716
      Anonymous
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      3, 4 , 6 , 7 , 9... Which should i go for next...

    118. Post 156717
      Anonymous
      No.156717

      I guess since the card counts are pretty even I'll do 23 for each

    119. Post 156729
      Anonymous
      No.156729

      >>156716
      654 cards due

    120. Post 156730
      Anonymous
      No.156730

      >>156729
      stay tuned folks, still 17 more days to go

    121. Post 156844
      Anonymous
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      I don't get the translation.
      How does this suggest that the speaker is the one doing the changing with the boss?

    122. Post 156845
      Anonymous
      No.156845

      >>156844
      It has an unnamed subject taking the place of/replacing whatever is marked by に, in this case the boss. You have to just surmise that the subject is the speaker, but there's nothing specifying it.

    123. Post 156846
      Anonymous
      No.156846

      >>156844
      In Japanese, if you don't see a subject, it's safe to assume it's the speaker, unless provided with context that suggests otherwise.

    124. Post 156847
      Anonymous
      No.156847

      >>156845
      so basically it's meta(culture)

    125. Post 156848
      Anonymous
      No.156848

      >>156847
      It's just context. It works for people other than yourself too, it even works in English even if it's not natural.
      As an example sentence:
      ¥Leading the meeting, replacing usual speaker.
      If the guy on the podium said this, you would know he meant himself. If someone not on the podium said this, you would know he is talking about the guy on the podium. If the context is vague you would be more likely to specify, but in real life you can communicate partially with body language instead. Even eyes talk.

    126. Post 156849
      Anonymous
      No.156849

      >>156848
      So would you say it the exact same way if you were refering to the person standing next to you or similar?
      I think that you would speak slightly differently under other circumstances.
      It's not quite context, it's just the wording you would pick when talking about the self

      Unless you really do use the exact same sentence depending on different people which would be stupid as hell

    127. Post 156850
      Anonymous
      No.156850

      >>156847
      Basically, yeah. Japs often prefer to avoid using pronouns not because it's in any way ungrammatical but because it's impolite, and the basic heuristic is >>156846, overruled by further context as >>156848 explains.
      >>156849
      There are certain things that indicate explicitly whether you are talking about yourself or someone else, like the auxiliaries あげる/くれる, but there is no conjugation that marks for person, so it could indeed be the exact same string of words with a different subject depending on the context.

    128. Post 156852
      Anonymous
      No.156852

      >>156849
      I am just explaining the concept of using context instead of pronouns. It has nothing to do with culture and I am not telling you to ctrl-c and backspace random pronouns or that there are hard rules here. Just immerse a ton and you'll understand the concept. It's language, not math.

    129. Post 156853
      Anonymous
      No.156853

      >>156850
      I am saying that you would not speak the exact same way with someone around you as you would with yourself as the subject. I said nothing of conjugation or special grammatical rules. I mean you literally would not pick the same choices if someone were near you.

    130. Post 156854
      Anonymous
      No.156854

      Don't make it autistically difficult.

    131. Post 156855
      Anonymous
      No.156855

      >>156854
      I'm not doing anything except dispelling the mystery that Japanese is some sort of magical language where no one understands what they're talking about

    132. Post 156856
      Anonymous
      No.156856

      You already know what it means to infer from context. Now read a VN and never worry about it again. I am not going to study autistic linguistic terms to do what you can learn in two seconds. "It's inferred from context".

    133. Post 156858
      Anonymous
      No.156858

      >>156856
      it's like you're purposely misreading what I'm trying to say to avoid having a serious linguistic discussion... for some reason... am I right or wrong that depending on various situations people will chose different routes... therefor there is no such thing as a context based language in Japanese, it's just a bunch of meta choices you only pick up through engaging with the culture

    134. Post 156859
      Anonymous
      No.156859

      >>156852
      >>156853
      If you have a magical understanding of language where understanding is spontaneously attained with no recourse to rules, is there anything to debate?
      >>156858
      You need to engage with the culture to understand its conventions and clear up ambiguities, yes. He's telling you to just infer from the context, but for some reason excludes social conventions from that context.

    135. Post 156870
      Anonymous
      No.156870

      >>156858
      >it's just a bunch of meta choices you only pick up through engaging with the culture
      just like posting on kissu...

    136. Post 156997
      Anonymous
      No.156997

      Couldn't fully complete a day, 1000 cards due

    137. Post 156998
      Anonymous
      No.156998

      Going to have to really start increasing the intervals or press easy more often now. But the number of decks is decreasing meaning the number of reviews from other decks is getting easier and being shifted onto the decks which are much more niche and targetted towards newspapers rather than conversation, perhaps I scale it down before the 17th and instead when it becomes completely untenable...

      But it's a bit of a goal of mine to finally 100% clear the Core2K decks. Adding in the katakana later i guess

    138. Post 157110
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      It's getting to be way too much. I can't even fully finish the decks any more and I'm barely getting any of my paid work done on top of watching anime/games.

      I think i have to start lowering the cards down in 4 more days when all the decks other than 3 and 4 are depleated. Then I'll just use a few days to drop my card load down and switch into literature/grammar training and build into composition after.

    139. Post 157111
      Anonymous
      No.157111

      So, I'll still complete my lifelong goal of clearing the core2K deck, but not by the 16th/17th and probably more like the 30th and slowly replace it with literature and training that makes use of the vocabulary and sentences I've picked up

    140. Post 157112
      Anonymous
      No.157112

      >>157110
      I don't even know how you do that many cards in a day. Would take me the entire day to do that many since I always sound out every sentence before confirming I got it right, and redo if I messed it up even slightly.

    141. Post 157113
      Anonymous
      No.157113

      >>157112
      > Would take me the entire day
      from 12AM to 7AM

    142. Post 157114
      Anonymous
      No.157114

      Also I've learned a lot of methods to make it work but they only slow down the inevitable pile into 1000s of cards... Like right now if I focus on decks 7 and 9 and get my 120 new cards in while I'm not tired, I can handle the reviews much easier.

      This is something I realized basically yesterday so I think I can use this technique to hold on for 4 more days and finish off those decks, but there's still 1100 cards left in decks 3 and 4 which I don't think I can sustain. They're all political words like "political power" and "water system"

    143. Post 157118
      Anonymous
      No.157118

      >>157114
      you can try suspending all the obviously unnecessary cards
      you're not getting to the level of competency needed to discuss politics, and you're not gonna be reading logh either

    144. Post 157119
      Anonymous
      No.157119

      >>157118
      I do that with anything katakana that I can kinda guess already.
      kinda hard to know what real words I don't need to know. There are a lot of variations on "change" that just have different kanji. And some intransitive vs transitive conjugations. But for the most part those are easy enough.

      Anyways, it's a personal goal to complete this set and anything I suspend is going to be recovered eventually.

    145. Post 157124
      Anonymous
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      this is what I mean about the whole Core2k deck 3 and 4...

    146. Post 157125
      Anonymous
      No.157125

      How does 作業 fit in with 仕事 
      And also 勤める  and 働く

    147. Post 157126
      Anonymous
      No.157126

      >>157125
      >How does 作業 fit in with 仕事
      The former is more abstract (it doesn't explicitly describe someone doing it) and smaller in scope.

      >勤める and 働く
      being "employed" (abstract) to do the thing vs doing the thing

    148. Post 157139
      Anonymous
      No.157139

      Deck7 very weird... The last 60 were all duplicates from the start. I wonder if there was some kind of import error...

      Well. In any case it makes completing it easier and lets me divert effort towards retaining some more of the harder cards for a day.

    149. Post 157353
      Anonymous
      No.157353

      deck 9 is also lays out a lot of onomatopoeia, which is also kinda niche...

      Anyways, that's completed today. Leaving only the 3rd and 4th deck. So I'll do those at a rate of 45 cards per day, then have the other decks die down a bit and start working in reading/grammar/composition and etc

    150. Post 157544
      Anonymous
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      Deck3 hell

    151. Post 157547
      Anonymous
      No.157547

      what a mess, I'm looking up most of these words and they're graded at N1

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