No.67884
出す is the verb you're looking for. 出し is just the 連用形 of it. so Xの中に出したい
No.67885
>>67884forgot to mention 中出ししたい seems ok but personally I haven't seen it as much.
No.67886
>>67884But OP wants to practice the fetish of nakadashi with Korbo. In your example you're breaking apart the words that make up nakadashi and applying conjugations to them.
No.67887
>>67886I think you can use と in that case.
No.67888
に
No.67890
you can't use で like that
No.67891
コルボのキツキツ豊潤生おマ〇コに全力思い込めて中出しして欲しい
No.67892
>>67890Can you explain why? で denotes the location an action takes place. In this instance, Holo is the location where the action of 中出しする (I think it can be turned into a verb with する, right?) happens. Or rather, wants to happen. Lewd!
This also sounds right to me
>>67889. Is one more correct than the other?
No.67893
ホロの中に出したい I want to let it out inside Holo.
ホロに中出ししたい I want to cum inside Holo.
ホロと中出ししたい I want to do nakadashi with Holo.
中出しして欲しい means you want someone else to do it.
No.67895
>>67892で is more akin to a place you're incidentally at. Horo isn't a place, but her insides are.
No.67896
>>67893And who made
you the president of Japan!?
No.67897
>>67893"I want to cum inside Holo" is not "I want" per se but more of "I wish something breaks the barrier between Holo and me in the reality"
No.67898
どんなアニメキャラにも中だししたらいいのに
No.67899
>Japanese is fun to learn.
What exactly do you mean by that?
No.67900
>>67899He's a beginner so he isn't suffering yet.
No.67903
>>67902You should've already know the answer if you think a little about what kinds of people in the world would use or learn Chinese.
No.67910
>>67903Russians, obviously.
No.71480
>>71478Those fake hand drawing whiteboards always bother me.
No.71520
>>71478Honestly, it's a bit of a waste of time unless you're interested in Japanese linguistics or want to talk to Japanese people and pass as a native. And trying to pass as a native is stupid, because they can tell from your face, and if they couldn't, they could tell from other things in your speech like unnatural grammar and limited vocabulary, and if you're adept enough with the language that you can formulate natural Japanese, you're already capable of picking up pitch accent naturally without going out of your way to study it. tl;dr watch anime and play voiced erotic games.
No.71542
>>67893My first thought was ホロを中出ししたい for 'I want to nakadashi Holo', as the English sentence was phrased in the OP. Would that also work or is there something wrong with that construction?
No.71550
>>71542Translating from English doesn't make much sense when the English sentence has a Japanese word incorrectly shoehorned into it. に is the particle you would use.
No.71602
>>71478this video taught me more about english than japanese
No.71790
>>71780blame china
but at least historically speaking it kinda made sense why a logographic writing system would be useful in huge polity like china due to its linguistical diversity
the funniest thing though is that every other country that was not only inside chinese cultural sphere but was straight up controlled/was a tributary of china dropped chinese characters and adopted a sane writing system except the japanese
No.71793
>>71780I agree Kanji is difficult, but I enjoy learning the grammar.
No.71794
>>71793Other way around for me. Kanji are cool and fun to learn whereas grammar is much more messy and frustrating. If I don't know a kanji it is easy enough to look it up and learn it whereas that's much harder to do for points of grammar, and grammar can be used very flexibly whereas kanji is much more rigid so simple rote learning isn't typically good enough for it. Kanji also make it easier to learn new words with them since it helps them stand out from the million other similar sounding words (compare that to the fucking nightmare that onomatopoeic words are to remember and distinguish), and allows you to have a decent guess at the meaning of new words you read without having to look them.
No.71795
>>71794I don't know. The fact that most kanji have different readings/pronunciation based on the word they're in is what I really struggle with. Also some of them are extremely similar and my brain mixes up which one it's supposed to be.
No.71796
>>71795Anon, are you perhaps studying/trying to read each Kanji individually?
No.71797
>>71796>trying to readand/or trying to remember
No.71799
>>71795>The fact that most kanji have different readings/pronunciation based on the word they're in Why would that make it any harder to learn new words than if there were no kanji? Just memorize the 1-2 most common on'yomi for the kanji when learning the kanji for the first time, since those are what are going to be used in the vast majority of words using it (kun'yomi typically being distinct to a particular word and anything derived from that), and then when learning new words that use the kanji you just have to remember the particular pronunciation of the word. The only added difficulty compared to learning kana-only words is that you have to tie the right kanji to the pronunciation, but given it has to share either a meaning (most useful for kun'yomi words where the kanji stands by itself and the word means roughly the same as the kanji) or reading (most useful for on'yomi words since you should already have learnt these pronunciations along with the kanji) with the kanji that shouldn't be too hard to get down.
>Also some of them are extremely similar and my brain mixes up which one it's supposed to be.The best way I find to solve that is to take note of which kanji you commonly get confused, study which parts are different between them and then try to look out for those particular features when you come across one of them. Even if you frequently get two kanji confused though, as long as you know both of them then you can often tell them apart by context since most of the time they aren't going to be able to appear in words together with the same other kanji (single kanji words are obviously an exception to that).
No.71800
>>71796No. I study words though Anki. But words like 日、明日、木曜日、毎日 all have different pronunciations of 日. Not that I mess simple words like these up, but that's what I mean.
>>71799When I first come across a new word, my brain associates that pronunciation with the kanji, and then when I learn a new word with the same kanji that has a different pronunciation, I have difficulty linking that new pronunciation with it. It's something that I know I'll eventually just memorize due to repetition, but it feels like it slows down my learning a lot because I default to the wrong thing.
I'm still having fun though and being able to read simple sentences without issue is very rewarding. I can't wait until I can read manga and VNs.
No.71802
>>71801>Western languages use spacesSo do lots of Eastern written languages...
No.71803
>>71802>I'm still having fun though and being able to read simple sentences without issue is very rewarding. I can't wait until I can read manga and VNs.SoL manga at least doesn't really require much beyond being able to read simple sentences (and in a sense is easier as there are pictures for context) so you probably should be able to do so now/soon, as long as you don't mind going slow and looking stuff up you are unsure about. VNs on the other hand are an utter slog to read - I would suggest forgetting that one for the near future.
No.71806
>>71803I think you meant to quote someone else.
No.71807
>>71803Yeah I just started reading Yotsubato a few days ago. The slang slows me down, though. The end goal is for me to be able to read VNs. I don't expect to do that anytime soon.
No.71848
What's the best way to remember keigo? I learn and remember most all of the Japanese I've studied but always seem to forget about it.
No.71849
>>71848Depends on what you're struggling with.
No.78603
I haven't been keeping up with my studies so much aside from the occasional raw H-game and eromanga. Probably should get back into regular practice so I don't lose too much...
No.81099
>>81098From
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1347133983:勇者は、勇気のある者。
ドラゴンの退治をしたジークフリートや、日本の那須与一などです。
英雄とは、伝説に残り、民衆から畏怖や羨望の目で見られ、崇められる者のことです。
ウェールズを統治したアーサー王や、魔王と恐れられた織田信長がこれにあたります。
大きな違いは、
勇者はほとんどの場合、悪者を退治する、多勢に単騎で挑むこと。
それに反して、英雄は多少悪者であっても英雄と呼ばれることがあること。
又、その人自身は戦わずとも、戦が上手ければ英雄と呼ばれるということです。Rough translation:
A 「勇者」 is one who is courageous (has courage/勇気).
Examples: Siegfried, who slayed dragons, and Nasu no Yoichi from Japan('s history).
An 「英雄」 is one who remains in legend and is looked upon and revered with awe and envy by the people.
Examples: King Arthur, who ruled Wales, and Oda Nobunaga, who was feared as a demon king.
The main difference is,
a 「勇者」 almost always defeats the bad guys, single-handedly taking on the multitudes.
On the other hand, 「英雄」 are sometimes called heroes even if they are somewhat bad guys.
Also, even if the person himself does not fight, he can be called an 「英雄」 if he is good at fighting. No.81105
"勇者" is probably more literally translated as "brave", but that has a lot of native american connotations to it so I think people often use "hero" instead. Still, you sometimes get things like GaoGaiGar勇者の王 which got localized as GaoGaiGar King of the Braves.
No.81106
>>81105>GaoGaiGar勇者の王 which got localized as GaoGaiGar King of the Braves.Oh yeah, there's also 「六花の勇者」that got translated as "Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers".
No.81129
>>81099So 勇者 would be more the Hero that gets a thing done while 英雄 would be more of a historical legend.
No.87478
>>87464桃
桃かわいい
And it looks like she miswrote the 篭 in 篭絡 as ⿱𥫗亀.
At least she didn't mix 堕落 up with 墜落 like I did when I was reading the manga.
No.87797
>>87794Too bad the best way to remember how to read a kanji is to obsessively write it down along with others until you know it by heart, which is what I do whenever I'm trying to read something and want to kill myself afterwards because it feels so shit.
No.88380
For Anki on mobile I got a 6000 card (Eng->Jp) set... wondering how many cards to do per day. I set it to 40 which will be 150 days of learning. I wonder if this is fine...
They say 10,000 words is required for a degree of fluency... does this mean in half a year I could be half way fluent
No.88381
had studied for a month or two a few years ago and am an anime pro so I know the grammatical structure well enough to figure it out with just a focus on vocabulary. Also fuck kanji, I can learn that if I need to
No.88382
>>88381haha.... if only that initial understanding held throughout the entire learning process
No.88383
>>88382statement too vague for me to understand
No.88384
>>88381You'll learn very quickly how important Kanji is. Japanese has WAY too many homophones plus Kanji helps break sentences up in a language that does not use spaces like we do.
No.88385
>>88383When I first started learning Japanese I felt the exact same way about the grammar as I had heard it in anime before and also it's deceptively easy at first to grasp and compare to English as well, but as you get deeper into things the exact structure becomes near impossible to compare as things become more context-based.
No.88387
>>88384People speak Japanese just fine without someone writing out subtitles behind them.
This issue probably lends into the picture related problem so I've already addressed it with my initial mindset. After which it's mentally associating what's being talked about with the internal dictionary of words.
https://japanesetactics.com/how-many-words-do-you-need-to-be-fluent-in-japanesethe article addresses the issue in the lines
>(1) – The different levels of formality in Japanese.>(2) – The high level of precision in the Japanese language.after which he says
>Generally speaking, you need to know about 3,000 – 5,000 Japanese words to be fluent in the language. Which is to say that there are various grammar issues that make the number of words required for fluency larger
No.88389
>>88387>People speak Japanese just fine without someone writing out subtitles behind them.It's fine for colloquial Japanese, but becomes hard with literal Japanese where the number of vocabulary increases and so is the pronunciation ambiguity.
Just turn on any Japanese TV program - most of the news or entertainment programs are accompanied with lots of on-screen texts that essentially subtitles matching >90% of what is being spoken in real time. You can't find that on Western TV shows. Only drama shows don't have them, but they use colloquial Japanese.
No.88390
>>88387That post is so dumb. Why use the BRITISH flag to represent ENGLISH when Welsh, Scots, Scottish Gaelic, Irish Gaelic and Ulster Scots are spoken throughout the country. Someone's a little racist...
No.88394
>>88389well it's good then that my reason for learning to listen to Japanese is very specificly focused on their so called ASMR content(it's anything but).
No.88396
>>88390They should use the English flag to represent English, it's the only logical option.
No.88397
Most games can be machine translated, text can be OCR translated, most anime and manga get professionally translated. Unless you're really into a niche of the above or want to/actively speak to Japanese people then there's no reason to go through the effort of learning the language.
But the niche audio-only Japanese content is something which will never be translated and computer translations remain completely unlikely to exist. So the reason to learn Japanese for audio-only is much more realistic.
No.88399
>>88387This relates to what
>>88385 said, that's a part of why it's so contextual but there are also pitch accents that can be used in spoken Japanese but not in written Japanese. For example, hana(nose) and hana(flower) would be spelt the same in Hiragana but in spoken Japanese the sound slightly different.
No.88400
>>88397A lot of anime and games are translated poorly and heavily Americanised.
No.88402
>>88400you're into the niche of wanting accuracy or honesty. I can suffice without accuracy. In some cases a troll-sub would be fine because it gives an explanation for the pictures on the screen
No.88403
>>88397Translated Japanese media is not the original media, it's more of the translator's interpretation of the media; and since its Japanese to English translation, two vastly different languages, there is a huge lose of meaning through translation. Not to mention machine translation is shit and with "professionally" translated media you never know where the translators added their own propaganda in it, I think there's plenty of reason to want to learn Japanese to read Japanese media.
No.88404
>>88402I'm in the niche of wanting what the subs say to actually be a reflection of what is spoken on screen, I am watching anime for the anime, not for the American subbers false interpretation of it, if I wanted that kind of thing I would be watching American media in the first place.
No.88405
>>88403I made no statement that it's good, but that there exists a stronger reason because no other alternative exists. Someone who says they're fine with machine translations is never going to be convinced by you that they should learn Japanese because they're already accepting that the loss of information is acceptable for the time they have and are more interested in an explanation for the pictures on the screen rather than a comprehension of the script. They probably do not feel it's a good use of their time to learn the language.
However, if someone says they want to listen to a radioshow then this person has no other option than to learn Japanese. There are no escape routes for the learner other than to embrace that they will never know... an admission that no enthusiast of vtubers or other content would ever want to admit.
No.88406
also the slippery slope of "translations do not do source material justice" is borderline insanity because then I could just say "well you've never lived in Japan so you will never get it". Which would just be as stupid as the argument you're trying to push
No.88407
>>88405I'm not trying to convince anyone to learn a new language. You said there's no reason, I listed out the most common reasons one might want to.
>>88406No? You "get it" as you go learning the language and consuming media in said language. You don't need to live in Japan for that. Most of the culture shown in media is just that, culture shown in media, enough exposure to Japanese media and you'll "get it", that does not require living in Japan. Sure, you might miss some of the references, but your understanding is still closer to the source than someone reading the translation. The Japanese language itself is full of nuances untranslatable to English, you don't need to have lived in Japan to understand those nuances, you need knowledge of the language.
No.88408
>>88407>I'm not trying to convince anyone to learn a new languagethen stop derailing this thread
No.88411
>>88403>you never know where the translators added their own propaganda in itTo be fair, when this happens you'll know because a huge stink is made about it.
When it comes to translation its often incompetence rather than malice.
No.88416
I learned Jap without Anki and by jumping head(Kanji) first, having used up less time than the average native gets.
No.88422
>>88411Not really. As long as the tl makes sense in English, basically no one cares about accuracy relative to the Japanese script. 95% of criticism of fan translations is encoding, ts, timing, typos, or "subs fucking when?".
No.88602
>>88601>40>40That's a lot of new cards everyday...
No.88603
>>88602it's fine, I know all the words in the lower one. Lower is mostly the same cards. as the upper but with a. few variations.
top one is a bit harder.
No.88679
easy 1 hour of studying a day
No.88902
memorizing basic japanese words to get a vague idea of what's going on without subs
feel like i'm wasting my time
No.88905
don't bother with anime
https://japaneseasmr.comfind something here or maybe someone has a site with Japanese radio shows and interviews
No.88907
Learning hyougai is peak wasting time, in the abyss of the human mind, on the graveyard of language.
No.88974
I did 100 new cards yesterday plus 20 new cards today, because they were "sugoi means amazing" difficulty. I am the best beginner
No.88975
>>88974what deck of flashcards?
No.88978
>>88977Yeah, I'm using Anki. But as you can see, I'm taking retarded shortcuts. It's my fear of commitment.
No.89045
"review forgotten cards" is a great feature
No.89549
learning vocabulary through pure audio is hard. The pure listening learner might have to resort to anime. Books seem like a way to learn vocabulary for listening until you realise booke aren't going to teach you how words sound.
No.89553
Suppose it's probably just as hard either way
> 床 から 少し 浮かせた 上体 維持して
Had no idea what this was saying and it took me a while to transcribe this out for translation. Only understood sukoshi and kara.
now I have 2 nouns and 2 verbs somewhere in my memory.
床 (yuka) Floor
上体 (joutai) Upper body
浮かせた (ukaseta) Float/hover
維持して (ijishite) Maintain
So: Hold your upper body slightly above the floor.
No.89558
stop it, romaji make my eyes bleed
No.89559
>>89558reading is not important
No.89675
learning canji is stupid... why not learn vocabulary and use that to learn canji...
No.89677
>>89676what..... i'm saying learn the words in kanji instead of trying to memorize 2000 characters which have no meaning
No.89678
>>89674Also if you forget what a kanji you went over is you need to do this again.
No.89680
>>89677Because if you just memorize the romaji you're fucked when it comes to reading it...
No.89681
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazassfcdat. I never mentioned romajopakjsdkj
No.89686
>>89675getting to immersion ASAP doesn't like that bad of an idea
No.89688
>>89686ASAP doesn't like that idea?
No.89697
still studying english
No.89840
My plan worked. I can understand one or two words from each line in anime. I'm caught up with your average sub watcher.
No.89841
Time to drop this fucked up language for French.
No.89842
>>89841>Frenchan even more fucked up language?
No.89853
>>89851...
that's why I kept putting it off
No.89854
TinTin and not much else
No.89857
>>89676Comprehensive input is the only way to acquire a language. Learning the kanji that's in vocabulary you encounter during immersing in native content is much more efficient than grinding kanji by onyomi and kunyomi and grade or jlpt level or whatever or dictionary mining shit
No.89858
Can someone else who uses Windows IME give me some pointers please, I've just dealt with this for years and I'm sick of it.
I want to watch some Elden Ring related content on Nicodouga, so I type えるでん in the search bar, and then will hit shift but it will not turn all into katakana. It turns into エル電 which is fucking dumb. This is just the most recent example in a lifetime of frustration tying to type ANYTHING in katakana. I would actually argue that katakana and not Kanji is actually the hardest part of the language, but that's another topic.
How can I get my IME to type just in katakana or convert to just katakana from phonetic Hiragana conversion?
No.89860
>>89858>How can I get my IME to type just in katakana Change it to half/full-width katakana by right clicking the little JPN IME thingy, if I'm remembering right.
No.89862
>>89858type えるでん then press f7 to convert. alt+capslock switches to katakana input
ctrl+capslock switches to hiragana input
alt+` turns off japanese input
No.89863
>>89858try F7 after typing in hiragana
No.89966
>>89962Hate that feeling.
No.89967
>>89966you hate learning?
No.89969
>>89968the feeling I got was a feeling of having learned things, so you're saying to me that you hate the feel of learning
No.89970
>>89962The figures in the background do look like they are dressed for a funeral.
No.89971
>>89970A nice and sunny 11:45PM funeral