No.6180[Last50 Posts]
In response to the discussion in
>>>/b/13365 and years lingering thoughts on my and Vern's end, we're considering creating a new board for more serious media discussion, /av/ - AudioVisual media (emphasis on the a and v) that can fix a few of the problems we've had with the way /qa/ and /jp/ have been structured for a long while (for V's take read
>>>/b/13495)
The benefits of this are:
¥Easier to access and search through media discussion¥A more convenient and familiar access point for people to integrate through¥Facilitating more serious discussion¥Eliminating some confusion about board purpose during thread creation and reducing negative board chaos¥Killing megathread generals¥Kissu is /all/, and /all/ is Kissu, /av/ moderation will be treated no differently from the rest of the site and /av/ is not being treated as an easy way to capture refugees, this is a long term fix to a long term problemThe /poll/'s outcome will be lightly considered.
No.6181
Uh, just to clarify here. I am concerned about board bloat.
But I want to fix how our site is so hard to understand by relocating a bunch of threads and dealing with the consequences later.
A board helps fix that
No.6182
messed up the tag somehow
No.6186
What would differentiate /av/ from /jp/ if someone were to want to post about the new anime season? Is that /av/ because anime discussion or /jp/ because it'd be also Japanese media?
No.6188
>>6186/jp/ is funposting, /av/ would not be
No.6189
Again, he doesn't say it in the most simplest of terms... it would be a lot more like how a /a/ board is laid out where shows have threads.
Where it gets tricky is like what if someone made a sakarufish thread? Is that now /jp/ for 2drandom or not? In which case we go back to being agents of chaos
No.6190
Yonder thread
>>>/qa/141289 would be deleted/locked and threads would have to take it's place
No.6191
>>6186Also you're misslabeling /jp/. It's a 2d/random board in reference to the 2000s era 4/jp/
No.6192
>>6189why would sakurafish go on /av/, that's dumb
No.6193
Does /av/ include eroge?
No.6195
>>6192so sakurafish is not /a/ culture
No.6196
>>6195didn't I specifically say in the OP
>/av/ is not being treated as an easy way to capture refugees, this is a long term fix to a long term problemWhat do you think this means besides "No we're not making an /a/ transplant, Kissu will remain Kissu"
No.6197
>>6196it was more of a hypothetical comment about "what if the board decides to create a meme thread and we permit it long enough that the community feels it deserves to be there"
No.6198
>>6197what is the point of /jp/ if not for those threads....
No.6199
>>6198Well, we have to establish exactly what this board means for the culture of the site going forward.
We're going to become very moderator focused when it comes to where things should be
No.6200
>>6199>>>/jp/92887is this serious topic-specific media discussion
No.6201
>>6200are you going to move it when someone doesn't follow your plan?
No.6202
Frankly it seems like you're avoiding the topic of what we have to do when people don't understand that a /av/ board is for anime discussion and decide to use it to post funny things.
You think that because you understand it's purpose other people will and just ramble on about it's usecases without the specific implementation details
No.6203
>>6201If it's posted on /av/? Yes.
We could probably just start writing out a sticky now that will preemptively solve all these issues since it seems like you're confused or think others will be. I don't really think it's that hard to distinguish funpost, lighthearted post, serious post, serious topic-specific post, and general.
No.6205
>>6200>>>/qa/148417is this serious topic-specific media discussion?
No.6206
>>6205Isn't that industry meta? Seems like /qa/ or /av/ would be fine.
No.6208
>>6207A little bit of minor overlap is fine. Anyways where people post their threads will naturally fall into place as the boards evolve.
No.6209
it'll all work out by the goodwill of a community going so fast we can't do anything in our normal life to maintain the strict order we set out to create..
No.6210
it doesn't sound like you've thought through the aspects of how it should be moderated and are actively rejecting the thought that we have to start categorizing everything in order to achieve the goals of a dedicated multimedia board
No.6211
I say the latter because the overlap between /qa/ and this av board is considered as not a problem even though /qa/ is the main culprit to the issues
No.6212
Until you actually have a plan for what to do about each active /qa/ thread that gets bumped which falls into the categories of videogame and animation this plan will just fail and cause a blight on our reputation
No.6213
For example, the mariokart thread. You are too afraid to actually move it into this /av/ board because it's active. It is certainly /av/ content. The sven thread on /qa/. That has to be moved too
No.6214
So much of /qa/ has to be moved to fullfill the objective and you are not committed to potentially killing the site to actually make a /av/ board work
No.6215
>>6212If you want me to be organizational autist I can easily do that. And no it doesn't. Event threads can be a specific exception because they're not about discussing media so much as gathering people together for fun. How this doesn't make sense to you is beyond me and I have to assume you're just looking at if there's an anime character or game screenshot and saying "Yup, that's /av/" which makes no sense.
No.6216
The chinese media thread should be moved too, right? I don't see moving a lot of threads at once a problem but maybe some anons might dislike it. Definetly would need better categorization, possibly specifying what /qa/ should actually be about without losing its essence.
No.6217
>>6215It's the contents and intention of the thread which matters.
No.6218
>>6215Insulting me because you have no plan as usual.
No.6219
Be sure to blame it on me as well
No.6220
Also it begs to be answered that we should be using a name tag for the benefits of other users so they can have an opinion and not be confused as hell
No.6221
>>6220I'd rather just wait until we can get a 2/3 consensus on who's more right.
No.6222
ok... so answer this basic question. The topics on /qa/ which are actively off topic due to the creation of a new board.. what do you do with them?
No.6225
>>6222Move them to /av/ with a thread lock to tell people what's happened.
No.6226
>>6186The way I see it I will put silly threads about anime girls shitting in the halls on /jp/ and more serious threads about what possibilities the latest episode of Apocalypse Hotel opened up and whether the fucking non-loli tanuki are going to stick around on /av/.
No.6227
Uhh, so he's saying in a private chat that buythreads are not /av/ content
No.6228
This is getting confusing.
No.6229
>>6227I never understood why buythreads were on /a/ and not /jp/ or why anime statues were banned from /toy/.
No.6230
>>6229Yeah,. but I'm getting confused from him now because he's saying that /jp/ is supposed to be 2D random.
So we'd be keeping /qa/ as having the event threads such as the Sven or SonicKart.
But we'd have a board actively discussing AV
But toys are not considered AV so they should be on /qa/.
It's getting kind of insane in my opinion and he's getting angry and me for not getting it
No.6231
>>6230I kinda get it, AV would be exclisively for audiovisual media. No memes, no community projects. I imagine he envisions something like Lainchan's /vis/ board:
https://www.lainchan.org/vis/index.htmlSo movies, TV shows, anime and videogames.
No.6232
>>6231Where do I go to discuss Japanese novels?
No.6233
>>6232/qa/ or /jp/. Would say /qa/ since /jp/ is more relaxed and casual. Unless you want to turn /av/ into a hobby board (then it wouldn't be called /av/) so literature and mango could be discussed there too.
No.6234
>>6231Yes, I follow with what /av/ is. It's a general thread board where anyone who makes a new thread has it deleted or moved elsewhere.
But now we have to ask the question >>>/jp/89905 is this too wordy for a /jp/ thread? Should random boards even be moderated? What about overlapping /qa/ content?
It's so many annoying questions and from what I gather speaking with him, he wants everyone to understand where japanese language threads go, where does the chinese language thread goes, where buyfag threads go, where
>>>/jp/91448 goes...
No.6235
>>6234>japanese language threads go, where does the chinese language thread goes, where buyfag threads gowhy would you think of these as /av/
No.6237
¥/jp/ fun only, never serious. only fun. there will be so much fun. you are not allowed to not have fun. HAVE FUN!!! (or else)
¥/qa/ srs busines random you can have some fun but not too much fun
¥/av/ super duper serious business entertainment but also you have to put toys and novels in srs business random because its a bit too fun but we also cant have too much fun there because then it needs to be in jp where you must have fun
Got it. I agree with these decisions because it will cause even more confusion to newfriends.
No.6238
>>6236don't quote me without the context of me talking about the chinese culture thread retard
No.6239
>>6236If that is /av/ then we could just rename /qa/ into /av/ and call it a day (not serious).
No.6241
wrong quotelink..
No.6242
>>6234Would say >>>/jp/89905 is perfect for AV. Buyfag threads, language learning threads, etc are fine on /qa/ and /jp/.
I believe random boards should be moderated to an extent, but I would say an overlap between /jp/ and /av/ isn't a bad thing.
No.6243
I'm lost on how this is making kissu a better site now. It's just making it more confusing and creating more overlaps...
No.6244
>>6240The chinese thread is AV, but the thread below about the Japanese language isn't. Key element is one discusses audiovisual media from China, the other discusses a language.
No.6245
>>6237I'm not proposing anything but a topic-specific discussion board that pertains to media. Maybe the title needs a readjustment for including manga and the like but really it's not so difficult and you're being an ass on purpose. Or maybe it's because vermin is making things way too difficult.
No.6247
So is this a go-ahead to post seasonal generals on /qa/ if /av/ doesn't work out?
No.6248
>>6237We're not even going to touch the /qa/ vs /jp/ topic again, that's over and done with. We're just going to make /av/. Idiot.
No.6249
Well you're not going to make anything if you don't convince me.
And yet again, not using a name to make it easy for people to follow who has authority and who is just providing general advice.
We just want to throw another board onto the heap and hope it works out. Why will it work out? Because it just will.
No.6250
Sweeping the issue of overlapping content... /qa/ is a serious board but /av/ is also a serious board and /jp/ is not serious, but it can be kind of semi serious, and if we decide not to moderate as hard then /av/ is also semi serious
No.6251
Oh, and we're not creating a /a/ board even though it's stated that we need more anime discussion to attract other posters more used to the /a/ format
No.6253
NOTHING MAKES SENSE WITH YOUR GOD DAMN PLAN
No.6254
/av/ would overlap with /qa/. The board list may be confusing for newcomers but implementing this would create even more confusion in my opinion. Deleting/merging/renaming and listing some boards might clear it though.
No.6255
>>6254That's why we'd move everything....
No.6256
ok, well let me just try and state the issues as I see them while you're out.
1) I understand what /av/ is. It's supposed to be a serious board for all the boring /a/ posters and a more controlled /v/ board where we delete everything /v/ is known for. OK. So it doesn't have event threads, but you're making the bold assumption that people will not make these threads there and that they have to be moved to another random location that other people don't want separated from the board they use. You are going on the assumption that everyone treats kissu as the same as /all/ and that's not always going to be the case and will be what makes the site confusing.
No.6257
Address the issue of people who actually will focus on a single board and try to treat it as a homeboard
No.6259
>>6252It's not that clear at a quick glance what each board would be intended.
I think I understand what you're going for now and I hope it will confuse people due to the naming schemes being 2d/random, 2d/random, and 2d/media, but considering some people probably don't want /qa/ flooded with seasonal anime threads and it's getting harder to make normal threads on /jp/ it makes sense to add /av/. I'll disagree that it's super obvious though. Put yourself in the shoes of the new posters.
No.6260
hmm I might just make all my threads on /jp/ and mods can move them if they want
No.6261
>>6258The overlap is really a problem. That's what people are saying
No.6262
ok... i'll try and follow a different approach here.
Why do we want to have 3 boards to discuss things relating to japanese culture.
No.6263
>>6259>Put yourself in the shoes of the new posters.I did and that's why I said the board probably needs a perpetual sticky outlining it and probably we need a way to include manga/novels/vns too. Really the name is annoying.
No.6264
>>6262/qa/ could serve to be more like 2015 /qa/
No.6265
>>6264Yeah, this therin is the problem... we don't have a /a/ board to do that
No.6266
you all really love to debate shit
just add the board already and delete it if it's too slow, it's that simple
No.6267
holy FUCK I am going to turn on NOKO here
No.6268
>>6266what site do you think you're posting on here? We debate for 2 days until someone ultimately says 'fuck it I'm doing it anyways'
No.6274
OK... I think I can isolate my argument down to a single point... we do not need 3 japanese culture boards. We need ONE anime board and ONE shitpost board. And your proposed situation is to end up creating 2.5 anime boards
No.6275
we can have 1.5 anime board and 1.5 shitpost board, but we can not have 1+1+0.5
No.6278
I will agree if /av/ is to be what /qa/ is to /jp/.
No.6283
>>6270I wish I had a snarky insult, but this is probably the main reason I followed 4/qa/ to Kissu.
No.6284
>>6278fine
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do it
rip off the bandaid
amputate the leg
perform open heart surgery
swap the brains
i'm going to kanji
No.6286
>>6280thank you for compiling this.
I'll have a look. I think I have to sleep for a bit too.
And B (who should really rename himself to 7 because it's a way better moniker) also has some chores to do it seems
No.6287
>>6285If you mean /av/ as an /a/ + /v/ (as in videogames not the actual 4/v/) then manga would fit there too but if /av/ stands for audiovisual then manga isn't AV. Manga, like music, would be relegated to /qa/. That's why I sugested making it a hobby board instead because manga wouldn't fit an audiovisual board.
No.6288
>>6180As much as I love watching modfights, the first point here is the only one that actually needs thread moving to work and even that will become a non-issue in a few days once /jp/ refreshes and new threads fill up the new board. I might request a couple of my threads get moved there but I don't expect comprehensive cleanups or anything. I think people will get a feel for what goes where pretty quickly, all you guys really need to do is lock the generals and do the same autism moves you already do when something triggers your OCD.
No.6289
>>6287I thought it was audio (inclusive or) visual
No.6290
You're not wrong about /jp/ but /qa/ is much longer lasting and people will necro some threads and require action and we need to be clear about how we're supposed to be benefiting the site from this action.
We've attempted these actions in the past and we never follow through with them well enough.
>>6289Thought it was adult video?
No.6292
>>6287Yeah that's the problem with using "audiovisual" I just noticed... manga is probably one of the most important things to make sure you have in a more serious slow media discussion board so...
>>6289Oh wait just make it Audio/Visual media and everything works again.
No.6294
/amv/
No.6297
>>6294Epic name, I like it.
No.6298
/jm/ - Japanese Media
no western shit allowed
No.6300
>>6298but what if i want to play quake with the bros
No.6302
3 of 3 staff members agree on /amv/
No.6303
anime manga videogames
No.6305
>>6303What about light novels?
No.6306
>>6305Only I'm allowed to be a pendant...
No.6307
>>6305We've been relegated to /qa/ according to
>>6233 No.6309
>>6285>>6292If we abandon the tongue-in-cheek confusing naming scheme, there's a pretty simple solution:
/ota/ - Otaku Media
>>6274>We need ONE anime board and ONE shitpost board./ota/ - See Above
/jp/ - 2D/Random
/qa/ - Quality Arguments
>>6294>>6303Shortened: /amv/ - Animangames
No.6310
>>6307Yeah I didn't think of literature as part of the new board but if manga is allowed I don't see why LN shouldn't too.
No.6311
>>6308
>/ota/ - Otaku Media
I wonder what ota-ch will say
No.6314
>>6311Copyright lawsuit incoming
No.6315
Yeah, we're kinda just going to try and piss everyone off for a couple of days while we restructure, but you can just assume that whatever was on /qa/ relating to japanese entertainment will be on /amv/.
Then /qa/ will be what remains, the meta, real world, blogging. etc.
So now people who come here will know a lot easier that anime/manga/etc. has a dedicated space and /jp/ is for random stuff. And we can have a bit of overlap as people want. But boobhu is definetly not /amv/.
I think I get how the plan will work now
No.6317
>>6314Good. Let them dox themselves for our amusement.
No.6319
The only thing that confuses me still is how videogame fits into it, but I guess that's a small enough niche that we can not worry about it unlike anime..
No.6320
>>6315>Then /qa/ will be what remains, the meta, real world, blogging. etc. That sounds like a hellscape.
No.6321
>>6290>necro some threadsWhat is your stance regarding necroposting?
No.6325
>>6322Just autosage any thread that comes from a place of hate.
No.6328
Alright, I'm the third staff member and I guess I'll give my opinion. Do I need a single letter to identify myself? Hmm... nah.
>>6202>Frankly it seems like you're avoiding the topic of what we have to do when people don't understand that a /av/ board is for anime discussion and decide to use it to post funny things.I don't think this is an issue based on what I've seen in /a/ across its various forms on different imageboards including 4chan in recent times. The /a/ name is synonymous with generals and "condense your threads" thinking. What we need to fight against is the instinct for people to live inside individual threads and starting to identify with them instead of kissu. I'd say a rule would be that OP has to start a conversation in the thread and needs to stay engaged with it for a bit. No plopping a "ANIME NAME" thread down and walking away to wait for other people to make something of it. OP's job has always been to start an interaction.
Ideally this board would have posts and screenshots/video that inspires people to make /jp/ threads the way IRC can lead to kissu threads. If people see something in a show/game with broad appeal, especially if it's something simple and dumb, the instinct needs to be to make a /jp/ thread and not to post in the discussion thread. "I didn't think it was worth a thread" is a thought process that will pop up.
Also we need to make it clear that dumb threads on /jp/ can and should lead to discussion. Yes, this means not all discussion of a show or game will be in the serious thread and that's good. Use kissu as a whole site! I've been told I should write up a sticky so I'm going to end my post here, but it will be similar to this post I think.
No.6329
>>6202We fix this with a sticky obviously. That's what they're for.
No.6330
From what I'm hearing, this would effectively be the new topic breakdown.
>>6320Maybe... /qa/ would become bereft of a lot of topics.
No.6331
Maybe spg can finally die...
No.6333
>>6331Seasons may end, but they never stop happening.
No.6338
>>6337Oh he managed to move the eroge thread. nice
No.6339
My opinion as a newfag: too many boards will make threads stay up too long. I think the amount of threads between the random boards is more than enough. I usually just use the overboard so I don't care about separation, but threads are gonna be up quite a long time now
No.6340
>>6339I don't mind it too much. Been here long enough that my perception on necroposting threads changed. If it's still relevant or you have something to add then why not post in it? It comes back up to the front page and discussion can get rolling on it again.
For example the toss up reminded me that
>>>/amv/1427 existed and I gave it a post. Provided I actually follow through with what I said I'll post about things I find I like or dislike about the game, and maybe others will try it too, I'm sure the kuonfag here would appreciate more people talking about her.
No.6341
>>6339What does it mean for a thread to stay too long? If people lose interest in the thread it will drop down in the pages and nobody will see it either way.
No.6342
>>6339The threads at the bottom of /qa/ are over a year old and nobody looks at them once they leave page 1 of /all/ unless they're a new user trying to figure out what the site's about or a complete asshole necroing things to meme on the rest of us. The bigger issue we've had is worrywarts thinking /qa/ threads have immense and eternal value and not making new threads because they're afraid of knocking off ancient threads nobody has used in forever. More space might help that, or at least free more discussion from the /qa/ curse.
No.6343
Would I post funny/cute screenshots of anime I'm watching in /jp/ or /av/?
No.6344
>>6343/jp/ probably, although if you want to dump a bunch of them in a categorical manner then /ec/ might be best.