hopefully it will be less corporate and more indies doing cool stuff. with time and new tech it should be easier to do as you might have some kind of ai tech to help with the time consuming animation stuff

Well, they already outsource much of the grunt work to Korea. Or they did, but there's too much work or Koreans are too expensive these days. Now it's Vietnam and a few other places nearby. It's also not unusual to see gaijin artists post about their keyframe stuff on twitter for shows they worked on, so contract work is becoming increasingly important. If you like 2D animation you really have to hope you can work on Japanese stuff freelance since so many animation industries elsewhere died. I see the anime industry becoming increasingly reliant on these outsiders, which I guess is fine if they're skilled and just following directions.
Right now what they should probably do is reduce the amount of shows they're working on and instead focus on spending more time on individual shows. It seems like businessmen in Japan are just as shortsighted as the ones elsewhere, though, and see short term profit as their god.

The other issue I see is America and China throwing lots of money at them which risks creating a bubble, although also both seem keen on copying it wholesale with China doing a far greater job of it since it's a bit more culturally compatible with cute girls and such, albeit they have their issues with censorship of boobers.

>>148417
it depends. if japan is smart and picks china they have a future. if they're stupid and pick multiculturalism inviting lots of pajeets we can only pray the chinese who grew up on anime liberate them and dispose of the people who picked multiculturalism.

i know this might seem like trolling or tongue-in-cheek but there's a real possibility for things to turn ugly very quick by the end of this decade. right now china is the biggest consumer of anime on the earth so if japan and china really fallout similar to the eu/russia split then japan's future is finished. why? cause they will have to try doubling and tripling down on pandering to the west. i read somebody say something like: japan arrived at 2000 in the 80's and has been stuck in 2000 since. they won't get the memo that appealing to the west is a losing strategy and they will lose.

the biggest factor to look out for is how many female politicians they get. if japan elect's the first female prime minster japan it's over. i'm not even kidding she will have japan commit suicide like how the women leading europe did it.

this is really political and offense but it's just how it will play out. china will make it a government policy to block all japanese media and chinese will then pour lots of money into creating the perfect union of ai+anime which will make japan obsolete.

>>148450
WW3 could start because the supreme leader of china's waifu is turned into a nigger in an anime remake

>>148450
This is an oversimplification of things in the typical sheltered culture war imageboard way of seeing the world. For anime to be good it has to be free of any restrictions, and China has its own limitations on media. Much (not all) of the reduced sexualisation seen in recent media (games and anime) is not a result of Western meddling, but Chinese. As you said, China is the biggest market. It's not random nobodies getting in arguments on twitter with influence, it's government officials dictating what can be sold in their country.

If you want Japanese media to remain good it simply has to remain Japanese and only subject to Japanese norms. I think it's fine for the time being, as there's some nice ecchi shows this season and still plenty of niche stuff that seems primarily marketed to the Japanese, with the same cadre as foreign nerds being interested in it that were 30 years ago. Mass marketed stuff is still mass marketed stuff.

If open source/uncensored AI ever gets good enough it could make the best anime ever because it would remove all government censorship and the restriction of needing to be profitable. Then I could finally watch the POV loli scat rape anime that I've always fantasized about.

>>148458
>Much (not all) of the reduced sexualisation seen in recent media (games and anime) is not a result of Western meddling, but Chinese
why bother saying such stupid bullshit if you're so unaware of reality? i suggest you stop sniffing your own shit getting high on your farts thinking you're above "culture wars" or whatever fantasies you're enjoying. china censors their stuff. they don't tell japan to censor boobs. there's a difference between what you allow in your house and trying to control your neighbors house. china didn't make dlsite self-censor or make steam ban chaos;head. mastercard, visa, patreon, steam, sony, hollywood aren't controlled by china. china doesn't want 9 year old porn addicts the west does it just wants to control them, gaslight, and abuse them for it. china bans commercial porn unlike judeo-christian west so no there's 18 year olds getting into hardcore porn while countersignaling about anime boobs. i know there's the new "anti-porn" push in the west but it's establish real id and control over the internet not because they give a shit about 9 year old porn addicts.

there's no judeo-christian or feminist dogma which gives reason for china to try and police others looking at boobs so your idea is mentally retarded. they just don't allow judeo-christians selling it to their children.

>>148482
something i forgot. on twitch i think they make the vtubers censor and not show any skin while the actual women are basically softcore porn actress showing as much ass and boobs possible. that's china's fault too? on youtube if vtubers show skin they also get censored.

meanwhile in china
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1NYfiYPEBY/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1kDsUe8E8J/

they do censor, but they it's not the demented shit they do in the judeo-christian west. it's actually just to not make 9 year old porn addicts.

>>148474
maybe we can finally even have some cute hentai stuff. im amazed theres almost no video content of such kind and if there is the quality tends to not be very impressive. i just want to watch cute catgirls doing cute things

>>148482
I called you a culture warrior for a reason, and as your post invokes Jews/Christians/Feminists/9 year-olds(???) instead of Japanese studios it was certainly the right call. Your education on the subject is from social media outrage screenshots since you name the specific things you're told to be angry about.
I don't have the motivation to lead a horse to water knowing that it won't drink.

>they do censor
Yes, both groups seek to censor and alter the material. Neither are Japan's savior was the point I made in my posts.

>>148417
All anime past 2026 will 100% incorporate AI-generated content in some form. Video related, this was done by a single dude on a couple of hours with just $200 in AI video generation credits. Real studios would kill for that budget/delivery time.

>>148417
fuck op, it finally hit me. the past is the only thing that's ever good and the future will never exist. it's time to pack it up.

if any of you need me you can find me moping in meta threads bemoaning the state of animation and praying for the ai gods to put me out of my suffering instead of doing anything else with my time

>>148497
but have you watched all anime that has been created in the past?

>>148494
lol you're so above it and beyond it all. what a genius you are. you're whining about being influenced while thinking you're smart for not mentioning what influenced you. then your next brilliant plan was to be the mastermind centrist who understands "all parties are guilty" (coincidentally, you aren't involved because uhhh.. neutrality? though you have a position you want so you aren't neutral). to cap it all off as unusual the feminine minded centrist feigning neutrality can't help but try to throw some easy jabs the more out-group so "china is more guilty" cause it's easy.

yeah. it's social media that told me about visa and mastercard forcing dlsite to self-censor. it's not the fact i have to purchase gift cards to buy stuff and use japanese vpn to view content that alerted me. it's social justice culture wars that brainwashed me. why did it happen? who knows. i'm feminine i can't put to the source of the problem i can only point at the problem

Nope. Not watching prompted anime. Simply not gonna do it.
I'll watch another series from 20 years ago instead.

japan has ruined anime already

>>148506
>i'm feminine
Of course you are, you're on kissu.

>>148417
>What do you think the future of the anime industry will be like with Japan being in massive economic decline and everything?
they've been stagnating for the past 30 years, last I checked things are getting marginally better recently

>I do think it's time to acknowledge there's an overall decrease in the quality of productions over time that is related to that.
very weird that you would bring this up during what seems to be one of the best seasons of the last seven or so years, quality-wise
you say it's splintered into 500 different irrelevant ones, but shaft's showing they can still make good shows even as many of their people went to david production, while others like wit, science saru, and cloverworks consistently continue to do fairly well
according to >>141845 there's change being enacted to improve the situation for regular workers, and the industry makes so much fucking money (and increasing) that i doubt the many different companies financing production are going to simply stop
>>148495
this... still has the generic problems of AI looking like melted plastic that breaks down for anything that requires detail, and all motion looks different degrees of fucked up due to an absence of basic animation techniques
we already saw AI being used in backgrounds for the fable, and they were so abysmal it relied on you looking elsewhere in the meantime or you'd immediately spot something wrong
>>148458
>Much (not all) of the reduced sexualisation seen in recent media (games and anime) is not a result of Western meddling, but Chinese.
i don't think this is true, actually, not in that the chinese don't censor it but that they go about it differently
games, animation, movies, whatever, very often what they'll do is create an edited version for local distribution and leave the original as-is
so when a feminist group managed to get some genshin characters censored back in 2022, the change only applied to china locally, but not to all the other servers even though it was made by a chinese company, and it seems it was reverted even in china some months ago after the gov't started to give gacha freer rein
and when kobayashi's dragon maid or darling in the franxx got censored, this also only happened to chinese versions, the originals were totally untouched
i personally had this experience when working on a mobile game in 2019-2020, i had to download the specifically chinese version to playtest that enemy targets would be covered by a body bag after getting shot and that one guy's muslim hat would get changed to something else, but all other versions of the game were completely untouched, unaffected
given our experience in the west, it would not be unreasonable to expect companies to design things in a way that gets past these regulations from the get-go, but to prove that this is a) overwhelmingly widespread, and b) the fault of china in particular, as opposed to western pressure or internal japanese politics/regulations, you should present some evidence given that this does not seem to be equally enforced even in china itself and things have changed throughout the years
i'm pretty sure the chinese loved mahoako even though it is both terribly ero and gay (the latter being prone to censorship as well), and in this very season we've had a spike of ecchi so you'd need to explain that too

tl;dr NO doomposting allowed

>>148538
>this... still has the generic problems of AI looking like melted plastic that breaks down for anything that requires detail,
You're missing the point big time. Again, that was done by some dude just for kicks and using a model that is for animating realistic videos, because there's no model for anime video yet. But there will be.
AI-generated anime won't arrive as a "prompted anime" like some guy above said, it will be just little tools to complement human drawn art at first, like an AI that interpolates in-between frames, then an AI that enhances CGI models, then an AI that just colors the hand-drawn art...

>>148542
i am a man of science, i'll believe it when you can show it to me

Justify censorship if it's done by Group A, but condemn it if it's Group B. I said both groups are bad for Japanese media and get jumped on. Whatever, I now know a group I should avoid criticizing.

>in this very season we've had a spike of ecchi so you'd need to explain that too
...which is what I said in my second post.

>>148544
i know you mentioned it, but still didn't post proof of the claim i was responding to
i'm not justifying anything, i very much believe chinese censorship is a thing and that it is bad, you just need to post evidence that it's impacting production outside of china

>>148538
>very weird that you would bring this up during what seems to be one of the best seasons of the last seven or so years, quality-wise
Examples? I don't know what's playing

The Japanese economy is complicated.

It's GDP growth per capita is on par with other OECD nations. It's just that the Japanese population is stagnant and now in decline. The reason many OECD nations actually have an economy that grows is due to migration. The average person is no better off.

Also the Jappanes have one of the oldest populations in the world meaning that the ratio of people actually in the work force is lower than most nations. But the Japanese actually have some of the most productive workers in the world if you look at it by workers and not population.

Also the Japanese don't work as much as many would think. Americans and Australians work more hours on average.
But that's on average. There are black companies in Japan of course. Not sure if American and Australia have them.

Ohh yeah. I forgot to mention debt.
The Japanese have the highest debt to GDP in the world but it has low interest rates so they don't spend much servicibg the debt and the debt is owned by the Japanese themselves. Again, the Japanese economy is complicated.

>>148551
How does it compare with South Korea for example

>>148543
The technology already exists, pic related it's from 2 years ago.

It's good for making slop, but there's only so much slop i can consume before vomitting

>>148553
SK is still in a growth pattern but it's slowing. SK has reached about the same GDP per capita as Japan but population is smaller so overall GDP is smaller. SK has more societal issues though.

When the Japanese economy was booming we had lots of quality delinquent manga with cool dudes riding their bikes, getting into fights and hanging out with the lads. Now we have none of that. The only way to save anime is through a delinquent revival.

>>148550
you can check out yaiba-den, uma musume, ninja to koroshiya, and anne shirley, they all clearly have a lot of work put into them
>>148551
agreed, analyses of the japanese economy are often spotty and result in incongruent diagnoses
>>148554
post it at a real resolution, i've seen these being made from tiktoks in the current year and they're trash
even at this size for ants and the quality of the lolikami dance you can see the design melting as it moves around and with a nonsense background, >>148555 put it best

>>148555
>>148564
Again, you're being obtuse and missing the point on purpose. You're like a dude in 1983 saying that CGI is never going to look good or be integrated into animation just because of the helicopter sequence from Golgo 13.

>>148570
¥AI will revolutionize anime production
¥¥the same problems are still present
¥it'll get fixed soon
¥¥post proof
¥here's a pic from two years ago, trust me dude
look i'm not even an anti-AI activist, and i pointed out it's already been used in the fable, you're just not proving that it'll look good

cgi is a good example actually, because 3d is generally dogshit

>>148576
>look i'm not even an anti-AI activist
Yet you use the same exact points and circular logic as one. Curious!

>>148581
i talk of what exists, you talk about faith... if you have nothing else to debate we can stop here

>>148583
Again, the technology already exists,not sure what part of that is so hard for you to grasp. Just say you don't like AI/CGI and that's that.

>>148586
then go ahead and post a commercial quality prompted anime

>>148587
I never said there was one, I said the technology already exists. Your argument is really weird, going back to the CGI comparison you're like a dude in 1990 asking "computer graphics will never revolutionize animation, where's the commercial quality full CGI movie?"

>with Japan being in massive economic decline and everything?
What?
Not only has japan recovered from the crash a long time ago, it's been seeing great economic changes recently like the major devaluation of the yen. Japan's economy is comparable to any other developed economy, perhaps better with how comparatively industrialized it is, not "dying".
>The studios simply do not have enough money
The main problem is too much money not a lack of it. Too much Netflix, amazon, Disney+ - too many "international media products". The allure of pandering to westerners is much for the megacorporations. We need a focus on lower budget anime for a japanese, otaku, audience. If they need 20 gazillion dollar for their SnK Movie or whatever, they can go to hell and burn.

On the chinese vs western influence conversation:
My position is pretty clear above, but if you put a gun to my head then chinese censorship is better. Chinese are east-asians, with a strong positive 2d culture compared to the west's insincere, "ironic", one.
Western influence is both more subtle but also much more pervasive - there's is no outright "censorship" in the west and we are using the word in the proverbial sense; but yet the decline of a more japanese character with more cultural references and things westerners just wouldn't get is noticeable in newer anime, in favor of things more palatable to an international audience. China's censorship is for the internal market and does not really influence the creative process anywhere near as much unless your anime is about like, the sino-japanese wars. If China had the same amount of influence in anime as the west has with their netflixes and disney's, maybe you'd see more anime set in pseudo ancient china like maomao.

AI images made by someone that knows what they're doing with current illustrious/noobAI merged models already look better than what 99.99% of human artists can do and that only takes ~6GB VRAM. What's stopping GPUs from having 512GB or more VRAM for <$5k in a few years? Scarcity of powerful GPUs is all I see standing in the way of heavily AI assisted anime production.

>>148642
extreme techno-optimism, maybe AI is better than 99.9% of humanity at drawing, but not nearly the same level of actual artists. And there’s no real control over what it spits out. So it’s got a long way before replacing anime.