No.159356
>>159343>>159345You're demonstrably wrong. "Not that anon but" has regular records going back to 2008:
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22not%20that%20anon%20but%22/order/asc/The sage archive also shows it was already in use by 2007. And the abbreviation is as old as 2013, but picks up between 2016-2019:
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22NTA%20but%22%20-%22s%20a%20nta%22/order/asc/If you never noticed, that's definitely a you problem. On top of that, it isn't retarded at all, and often relevant when you want to get into an ongoing discussion between two people but wish to distinguish your stance from the other guy's. I myself simply adopt a different writing style so I never need to employ it, but there's a reason it's been in use for almost two decades.
No.159357
>>159330I've seen ENTIRE threads being copy pasted, every single post up to a certain point in time, I don't really know if it's a bot or just one of the very mentally ill faggot retards that frequent 4chan, it did happen after the entire thread bullied one specific schizo, so it must have been some kind of melty.
No.159358
>>159356>If you never noticed, that's definitely a you problem. Don't pretend like there hasn't been a massive uptick in the last 5 months or so and that it isn't stupid. Damn.
No.159359
>>159358Desu has close to four hundred thousand instances of the two put together, the difference between "I don't remember it happening a year ago" and "there's been an uptick" is larger than the Himalayas. Of those four hundred thousand, only 31k are from March onwards.
No.159360
>>159356>>159358The problem with archive diving is that you always find something in ancient years, but it never makes it obvious whether these were always common, or whether they were just single cases and use of it exploded in recent years. Best would be to plot a chart, but with the recent desuarchive throttling this is harder than ever.
No.159361
>>159359Whatever, you're right. I wasn't there for decades and it didn't start getting spammed hundreds of times every thread since the hack. You happy?
No.159363
>>159359Nearly 8% of all of its use has happened in the past 6 months? That would've made it pretty sparsely used during that large period of time, wouldn't it? What are you talking about???
No.159364
>>159363The spike occurred years ago. It was already common in 2019 where it was used 13k times, and 17k in 2020, then doubled to 32k in 2021, and exploded again to 52k in 2022, and once more reaching 80k in 2023, 85k in 2024.
That means that not only has it been a common occurrence for years (13k is still nothing to scoff at), it also means that the current rate is just a continuation of a trend started long ago, and it's leveling off.
No.159367
>>159364You have an extremely skewed sense of what's common, but ~2023 is when I first started seeing it used and beyond that it slowly started making its way into altchans as well.
No.159383
post office down again?
No.159388
>>159367Don't bother arguing with someone that focuses on the wrong part of the story. He finds something to get angry about no matter what other people are trying to discuss.
>guys I found this bot that copy/pastes post>it does "NTA but" in an attempt to avoid spam filter and to make the post look more uniqueThat's what I wanted to discuss. Not if some stupid thing is popular or not.
>>159357>I've seen ENTIRE threads being copy pasted, every single post up to a certain point in time, I don't really know if it's a bot or just one of the very mentally ill faggot retards that frequent 4chan, it did happen after the entire thread bullied one specific schizo, so it must have been some kind of melty.I've seen this too and I know for a fact it was done by a mod on one board. They'd post a bait thread most everyday. If the thread didn't go the way they wanted. Like for example, if a bunch of anons showed up to have an actual discussion that wasn't their planned flame war he'd always do the following:
1) Argue for awhile in an attempt to derail thread back into flame war he wanted
2) Mass delete and ban all posters that didn't take the bait
3) Delete the thread
4) Re-post the exact same OP
5) Copy/paste all posts from the last thread he didn't purge.
6) Pretend it is the same thread
I saw him do it three or four times one night. Since the handful of anons he banned for no reason got angry and kept swapping to new IPs to call him out on what he was doing. He'd always hit them with "evading ban" ban of course.
In the above example what he'd do was post a vaguely related to board's topic thread but in reality he wanted to start a flame war about castrated men. Purely bait so he could ban people for breaking the "no racism outside of /b/" rule they love to abuse to silence people elsewhere. But the anons got pissed off about the daily stale bait and the unfair moderation. So they ended up going into an in-depth discussion about suicide rates among that part of the population along with posting links to medical journals about how they're all medicated. All while expressing sympathy for such people being abused and misled by their doctor(s). Basically: "Don't be mad at use we're not the ones that tricked you".
The above would send that particular mod into a fit of rage every time. So once people caught on they'd re-post similar things every time he showed up with his usual bait threads. At some point he stopped posting them and the occurrences of banning for that particular thing on that particular board slowed way down. So I'm assuming he either quit, got fired or otherwise gave up. He was doing it everyday for over a year then suddenly one day no one was getting banned for casual banter along those lines anymore. So I'm assuming he's gone.
You could always tell when he was online because all he did was post the same 3-5 bait threads everyday then go on his banning sprees. Always during NEET hours. It must have been the only thing he was doing with his time.
Anyway, when I see the copy/pasted threads within minutes of the original being deleted I always assume it's moderation due to the above. I've also seen what I think you're talking about. Where I'll lurk a thread and get the feeling that I've read it before. Then I'll remember it's word-for-word a thread from months and sometimes years ago. No doubt there are tons of bots that do nothing but re-post old stuff from archives. I run across a thread like that at least three times a day.
No.159390
>>159388>Where I'll lurk a thread and get the feeling that I've read it before. Then I'll remember it's word-for-word a thread from months and sometimes years ago. I had this happen yesterday, it was only the first posts, it's probably a retarded spammer trying to increase engagement by copying bait posts he saw working before.
No.159397
>>159275Sometime in 2017-19 somebody found an onion imageboard with several boards filled with nothing but bot posts. The posts were rambling gibberish and all in Italian and it would reply to other posts. It was weird at the time because this was before botting became a common complaint even on /pol/.
I think botting shows using metrics like number of websites or the total data size of the internet or word count is a flawed approach. Because it's obvious to even the average person now that anybody can rig a computer to transform and rearrange and regurgitate information.
The real metric is information density and that has consistently gone down year over year.
It's a repeat of the domestication of the Wild West and the Frontier. What was once filled with cowboys and indians and cattle is now being replaced with large corporations and government and society. Facebook and the smartphone were the railroads or any innovation to promote greater adoption and integration by the masses.
No.159412
>>159397actually there are still plenty of indians.
No.159445
4chan doesn't really make a good point on why free speech as in no rules on speech is supposed to be a good thing.
In fact it's fucking awful.
I say that as someone who can't exist on normal social media anymore.
No.159459
>>159367Common things are not just those that appear at every turn and are constantly on your mind, they're the ones that appear with regularity and which you are acquainted with. The kind of stuff that's considered normal enough to never be explicitly recorded, because it's just a given and not particularly important. Using "not that anon" is one such common thing, which a user may take note of and use themselves from time to time if they feel like it, a usual response to the usual situation of not wanting to be mistaken for someone else (or, if malicious, pretending to be someone else). I know it's normal because I myself took note of it over a decade ago, both on 4chan and 8chan, and the data from Desu supports it being a background expression that rose to moderate prominence around 2013, being used across the site dozens of times every single day, before beginning to become more mainstream in 2020, and steadily rising while the original form was overtaken by its abbreviation, a process that has occurred many times before.
The problem here is that, although is is very much true that
>>159345 shows copypaste going on, it also shows that the alleged bot is expanding on the old version and making it even more inflammatory, at the same time that the vast majority of posts using "NTA but" are original, not duplicates. It's much easier to attribute this to a random troll selectively copypasting what tickles his fancy, like the Plato jeet AI spammer from /lit/, though the users of that board are at least smart enough to understand that one retard copypasting slop isn't proof of the dead internet theory. The point of bringing attention to the term being in reality quite old was to show the fallibility of one's memory, but that isn't going to work with someone who thinks they may be getting gangstalked on an anonymous imageboard.
No.159467
>>159464man I feel like public bans became really scarce after 2019 or so
No.159468
>>159464but to answer your question, mods and jannies don't really care about enforcing the rules. They ban whatever they personally don't like. Strike Witches gets deleted from /a/, Touhou gets deleted from /v/, Murder Drones used to get deleted from /co/ etc.
No.159470
>>159464reading the posts from the archive it looks like that guy was just a big ban evader or something to that extent
No.159471
>>159464I'm not sure why a mod decided to hand out a public ban, but that guy is one of the most obnoxious avatarfaggots from Dragon Ball Z/GT/Super/Daima threads, the general with the highest amount of deleted posts and banned users. They spend the entire day roleplaying as various characters (not just from DB), posting porn, gore and scat, calling each others BITCHCHADSCHOLARCUCKTR
OONBBCKWABSISSYSCAT, raiding random threads and basically spamming noise until they get banned. They are so cancerous that they managed to turn other generals on /a/, /co/ and /v/ into similar cesspools, and their nest is only allowed to pollute /a/ because one of the higher up mods likes how they shit up the site (the leaks revealed that j/a/nitors want that general gone because it infests even the slow boards).
This is what the average Dragon Ball thread looks like, in case you haven't seen this cancer before:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/281001268 No.159481
>>159471I used to frequent the DBS threads a lot back in 2017-2020. This style of posting originally was just meant to be banter between characterfags and, compared to now, it used to be very tame. It started from Gohanfags bantering with Cauliflafags back during the ToP arc of the anime, but what gave birth to the current cancer shitshow was back when Dragon Ball Super: Broly was announced with Broly being called the strongest yet in the trailers. This caused Jirenfags to start a new banter war with the Brolyfags in new ways involving the complete and utter humiliation of the opposing group involving copypastas using big words roleplaying as "scholars" or trying to emasculate the opposing side as "scat/cuties/bitches/sissies/etc". These posts would keep escalating and escalating in retarded ingenuity and degeneracy that at one point it caused the jannies to delete the threads. This caused DBSfags to, in retaliation, spam the living shit out of the catalog with DBS threads. This became their MO whenever the jannies would delete their threads and they were bullied into conceding to allow their existence as a containment unmoderated shithole general. This also caused for other anons from other shounen threads to check out the DBS threads and imitate this style of posting. Seeing how they were being copied by the rest of the website, they opted to amp their shitposting degeneracy to go even further the limit, which resulted in the rest of the website copying them and continue this out of control spiral.
>>159464As for that post in particular, a retarded thing that the DBS threads started to do is trying to become the "ABSOLUTE PINNACLE OF MASCULINE MUSCULAR MANLINESS" and in order to do so, they would shame anyone posting anime girls by replying to the post with ">moeshit/>moeshit for pedophiles"/etc. So in order to make, in this case, Vegetafags as emasculated as possible, one guy would start to falseflag as a vegetafag expressing his love for Giselle from Bleach since he's a trap. Eventually he became a massive avatarfag and turned his "love" for Giselle from ironic falseflagging to genuine fascination. Essentially, everytime he posts a pic involving Giselle, is out of seeking any kind of provocation and getting (You)s.
I already left the threads back in 2020 because I thought they were becoming too incoherent and only derived value from some anons sharing Japanese Broly MADs, I can't imagine what they're like now 5 years later.
No.159482
>>159481As someone who has never really interacted with DB/S in ways other than casual consumption and who also has zero emotional connection to any of the anime-based boards on 4chan, this reads hilarious with just how childish and genuinely utterly mentally ill it is. It's both funny and worrying at the same time how certain sub-communities can get so absorbed in their stupid meme wars that they seemingly stop noticing the [as]-level of stupidity they're adding onto, but which everyone else can see and suffers from. I feel for reasonable anons like you and hope you found / find your place of peace.
Also glad to hear that Broly MADs are appreciated even outside the usual NND sphere.
No.159483
>>159481>This became their MO whenever the jannies would delete their threads and they were bullied into conceding to allow their existence as a containment unmoderated shithole general.There's a lesson in there somewhere. Something along the lines of "Containment doesn't work. If you ever feel the need to contain it, nuke it instead. If the disease persists, shadowban it with regex."
There would be no soisphere today if 4staff learned this lesson back when it mattered.
No.159485
>>159483>Containment doesn't work. A lesson as old as 4chan, but the retards operating the site never learned it.
I really want to know the mindset of these worthless retards who actually spend time banning posts that say "sage" but don't take care of the most blatant toxic shitpost spam.
I hate them so much, fucking retards.
No.159504
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>>159481>I can't imagine what they're like now 5 years later.Basically this during 500 posts per thread every day.
No.159508
Reminder that the DBS thread shitposting comes from 2-3 people, as was revealed when 8/a/ turned on IDs.
No.159509
>>159508Then why don't they just IP wipe them?
No.159510
>>159509Because their moderation is garbage and is kept that way deliberately.
No.159530
>>159483Nothing at all do do with containment, since the mods carved out the space for shounenshit generals themselves when there was essentially nothing.
No.159536
Strike Witches thread was up for almost 2 days, but it got autosaged.
They forced shounen shit on /a7 and even allow a shounen general, but Strike Witches threads are not possible. I feel so much regret that the mod doxxing with the recent hack didn't lead to anything.
No.159672
Can someone explain to me what the fuck this
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/274323270/ mentally ill shit in /ghost/ is?
No.159676
>>159672Interesting. I wonder if it's some /a/ group that was dislodged from somewhere. The thread reeks of the hima-fication process of a community devolving into lowercase blogging with random 2D images: the seemingly inescapable fate awaiting every general thread or board with general threads.
They must be using some sort of browser extension that makes use of that gibberish text somehow, right? Kinda mysterious.
No.159714
This might just get me in trouble for a multitude of reasons, but I'm genuinely interested in the history.
Any places one can read up on the original owner of guroch? What confuses me the most is that I'm 99% sure to once have read about a kaguya having been very close with 4staff on IRC prior to the inception of guroch, but any other source seems to portray the person as your average modern chanshitbag that somehow acquired ownership just a couple of years ago. This also makes the most sense to me considering he seems to be close with the owner of Vidlii, who sounds like he just entered his 20s. The original kag, if there ever was one, must be either in his 40s now or close to that and it's hard to imagine someone like that dedicating their entire life to a new teen audience.
No.159724
>>159345There are lots of piece of shit organizations/governments that want to destroy imageboards, and lots of papers have even been written on the subject, the most infamous of which is probably that Crest one.
Think about it. How would you destroy a website which is anonymous, has an innate resistance to trolling and spam, and has relatively relaxed moderation? Flood it with low-quality (but not so low quality that they're detected and deleted) posts that muddle up the discourse and eventually people will throw up their arms and leave. Its common knowledge that the jannies are niggers and won't do anything to genuinely improve the site.
Using AI for this really isn't a novel thing. Most posts on the front page of Reddit have been AI written for years now as an example. "Up and coming" subreddits like r/AITAH are literally just 95% bots, and the enormous subreddits of old that were constantly on the front page in 2016 are ghost towns now. On 4chan, a SINGLE person could pull it off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM No.159728
>>159483Perhaps, but its a lot funnier this way. The only people who don't like the insanity/creativity of the soisphere are bitter oldfags/oldfag imitators who feel that they should dictate how anonymous egyptian dredging boards should be used. The fact that 4chan was started by a 15 year old Moot and has been characterized by its raiding and lulz from its very beginning is completely lost on them.
No.159730
>>159714I'm not sure that there's much to know. I think it's a very safe bet that someone operating a community site in the 00s would not be the same person doing it today. The site is known to have had a tumultuous time going offline and coming back and switching owners as well so it's even more unlikely. And this is for an imageboard, the volatile format with very high turnover rate for staff.
It's simply a common nickname to use on the internet among dorks of a certain persuasion.
No.159749
>>159330In /v/ it's being botted hard by the ban evasion website. That's how the build their "orbs" aka proxy bundles with high IP trust for fags to post in. The bots are usually semi-anime related and with AI model replies so they rarely repeat stuff.
>>159343Huh this this is new.
>/g/ generalsBoy you have no idea what you walked into. Half the ban evasion tool devs come from /g/. And there's a lot of people running their own independent botting there in schizophrenic general vs. general spats. The board has straight up collapsed on a way I've only seen once in 15 years of IBs.
Your specific example, i doubt it's a bot. Seems to me a pman or a schizo saved your post for his future attempts at convincing the wall that his fixations are good.
/g/ is a dead board for a reason. Not even the mods want to touch it anymore. The other /hap/ has been tracing activity and there's literally only 1 mod active there, there aren't even jannies anymore. At this point I think they don't freeze it due to the pride damage of killing a legacy board.
>>159357I've have seen schizos copypaste their entire thread on mine because I was "competition" as a way of killing the community by making it unfun.
And let's not forget Bui the Spammer disappearing that /vg/ by pioneering copying posts from archives.
In general however people would rather do blatant bot / imagespam because they don't want just to kill the place, they want the others to know it's them. Copying posts is "too subtle"
>>159367Language evolves, you are screaming at clouds.
>>159387Imagine how respected Kaguya would be if he stopped sucking that guy dick for just 1 minute.
That kid is living proof grooming minors works.
No.159751
>>159483/qa/ having no janitors is what caused the soisphere to happen.
>>159676> The thread reeks of the hima-fication process of a community devolving into lowercase blogging with random 2D images: the seemingly inescapable fate awaiting every general thread or board with general threads.pfffft this is too true
>>159714Kaguya aka "Susuran" was a minor groomed by K*z into becoming his right hand man around 2020
He fell for his LARP ("I'm a russian host of imageboards who was there to see moot start 4chan") in Heyuri, months after the LARPman succesfully stole Heyuri away from the original admin, Lolico, by discord cabaling the fuck out of the site and spamming CSAM on the side.
Kaguya actually, honest-to-god got groomed here. To this day he cannot cut contact with him despite that guy becoming the second Kimmo Alm of imageboard history aka universally despised.
Kaguya became a Janny on that guy suggestion so he could pass him information and steal extension scripts. that guy leaked screenshots /j/ around 2022 after the plan fell through, but Kaguya stayed a janny. 99% sure he got fired recently.
Guroch, which iirc is a revival site, was a side project of that guy. He was known as a collector imageboards before his downfall. He gave everything to Kaguya when he became obsessed with owning the funny bald men website because he knew the communities weren't compatible. Whether he actually still pays for Heyuri and Guroch sites is a bit of a mystery.
The original Gurochan was ran by a 4chan / Raspberry Heaven OG as part of the wave of sites spawned by thatdog's Futallaby. You are correct that they should be hitting 40. They have no relation with Kaguya or that guy.
>>159744mod on sp happened in 2013
janny look like cat iirc is 2012?
No.159752
>>159744ah if you mean the song, it's 100% from /sp/
No.159754
>>159751>/qa/ having no janitors is what caused the soisphere to happenIt feels kind of strange that I have to correct this on this k/qa/ of all places, but, nope!
4/qa/ having strong moderation is what kicked us out via rangebans after all the special rules like filters, thread creation limits and automatic thread autosage failed to drive us out. All the special board rules and limitations placed on the board for us were loosened or removed for the wojak rage comic era.
They gave them stickies
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/3404114/and CSS:
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/3730633Mods created and nurtured the wojaks and were happy with them until the monster turned against its creator.
No.159757
>>159749No one is talking about language.
No.159758
>>159754qajp threads also had stickies, public bans against anti-anime threads, kemono musume threads moved to /qa/ and even had a hand in getting sachiko on the front page. It's exaggerated claim they "fostered" soijaks in particular when they fostered all groups.
Past that: Moderation on /qa/ had this cycle where a random mod visited at random intervals, deletes everything he personally didn't like, then get his ass blasted when he came back next day and the things he deleted where back. This is the further from "strong moderation" as I'd describe it.
That "personal mod attention" cycle was stable when the board was only 20 retards fighting. When that number went from 20 to 200 stability went out the window. Rampant raid threads ram their course before mods could discover them. If /qa/ had a couple janitors, that wouldn't have happened.
The only people who got strongly moderated were script spamming 24/7. They likely got their browser fingerprinted and singled out for IP nukes. It was less "strong moderation" and more them not realizing the giant BAN ME sign on their back.
>>159757"NTA but" is language. An evolution of common imageboard lexicum. The other anon ran the statistics on how it spread
No.159761
>>159758I didn't realize it was about language, it thought it was someone being pedantic about where NTA came from for no reason.
No.159762
>>159749>In /v/ it's being botted hard by the ban evasion website. That's how the build their "orbs" aka proxy bundles with high IP trust for fags to post in. The bots are usually semi-anime related and with AI model replies so they rarely repeat stuff.Could this be happening on /a/ too?
No.159763
>>159751>/qa/ having no janitors is what caused the soisphere to happen.The 4chan mods are so fucking trash.
No.159764
>>159762Adapting it to /a/ is super easy, just change the POST-header from /a/ to /v/. But afaik it's operating on one board only.
They specifically choose /v/ because /v/ermin (in particular /v/ + /vg/) are the boards with the strongest anti-bot measures and hardcoded anti-spam code for some thread subject. The pragmata threads are their personal project.
No.159765
>>159751>/qa/ having no janitors is what caused the soisphere to happen.Literally the opposite THOUGH. /qa/ was moderated, just not to the point that 'jaks were banned on site. That only changed when /lgbt/ was raided.
It wasn't ever a containment board. /qa/ was basically just a slower /bant/ (/b/ without nonstop porn) and as such it became a fun place to flood with the pictures of overly enthusiastic bearded men with chronically low free testosterone.
The soy booru/wiki/sharty started on their own AFAIK, and weren't particularly motivated by ban evasion. Its just that the style of that ecosystem is similar to /intl/ if you remember that, so lulz, raiding, spamming, etc. is encouraged and practiced, which is really funny if you can just look at it impartially.
No.159766
>>159765>It wasn't ever a containment board. /qa/ was basically just a slower /bant/On this you are correct. But it's besides my point:
I'm not saying it wasn't moderated. i'm saying it was
inefficiently moderated. Mods alone can't make a board work. It needs the janny to keep the everyday posters in check
>That only changed when /lgbt/ was raided.They made that raid to be a massive event went it wasn't even the fifth time lgbt was raided by the party, and they were raiding boards every week. You have their hit list on their wiki, and on top of that, wojak spam was already widely adopted by shitposters from other boards well before the party.
iirc Jaks were banned sitewide since they took to raiding /tv/ mid 2020. /qa/ was their refuge after they started getting deleted even on /int/. Then they got spammy again and it was a coin toss whether a jak thread could get deleted or not during 2021.
I think this perception that "bald men were allowed until they were not" comes from the explosive growth of the subculture in 2021. Many people, most literal kids, had no idea that they could get you banned elsewhere and those are the ones that ended up writing the wiki. Every time they went to the mods to ask why they were getting banned on /qa/, they were aggressively told off.
Which is why I find the idea of saying mods invented soijaks to be funny. There's no point ever where they liked it. They appreciated them turning /qa/ into a blue /b/ that could make OC, but they never represented all the activity of the board nor did the the mods enjoy having them around.
No.159768
>>159758Bleh, I don't have the motivation for this like I did on 4/qa/.
Link the qajp stickies and the CSS.
Until you do, I'll regard you, who admits to using a wojak wiki as a source for information, to be heavily biased if not purposely spreading misinformation.
>The only people who got strongly moderated were script spamming 24/7.I'm referring to the major purge at the end where a bunch of people were rangebanned. Wait, why am I doing this again? You will reply that no one was rangebanned and that your gut feeling is equal to other people's evidence and we have a retarded brick wall meta thread like on 4/qa/.
>>159766>Which is why I find the idea of saying mods invented soijaks to be funnyFine, not "created". Nurtured. Given succor. Encouraged. Rewarded. Embraced as the newest epic shitpost spam culture of 4chan.
>There's no point ever where they liked it.I used to lurk #4chan, I saw them
linking frog and wojak shitpost threads on boards instead of deleting them. Some mod linking some kuso offtopic template pepe thread on /ck/ is what lead me to abandoning that board forever. Maybe it was his thread.
If there's one thing that bonds 4chan staff and most users together it's their collective orgasm over eternal rageface templates and disdain towards lame nerd stuff like sincerity. Why
wouldn't they like them? When something proliferates so much that it becomes the site's new identity it's because it was given endorsement to do so.
No.159769
>>159768>Until you do, I'll regard you, who admits to using a wojak wiki as a source for informationOh no. I committed a taboo by citing compilations of primary evidence saved in archive.is. I am clearly evil and biased.
>Link the qajp stickies and the CSS. qajp sticky
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/821390/using qajp oc
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1654916/#1664491anti-anime & frogs getting public bans
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/2920781/https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1626817/https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1569299/https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1501060/https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1622693/getting sachiko on the frontpage
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/1008877/>I'm referring to the major purge at the end where a bunch of people were rangebanned. Those got rangebanned for scriptspamming 24/7 and/or associating with the spammer. You can
literally check 4stats and see when they turn their thread slide script off and the board takes a dip in activity of like 20%, and here's the scriptspammers' farewell thread.
https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/2907055>Given succor. Encouraged. Rewarded. Embraced as the newest epic shitpost spam culture of 4chan. Posting cringe bald men anywhere outside /qa/ was a ban, and a coin toss on /qa/ depending on how anal the mod mas that day. Mods eventually accepted they became site culture, but it doesn't change the reality that they did so despite moderation's attempt at punishing their posters.
>I used to lurk #4chan, I saw them linking frog and wojak shitpost threads on boards instead of deleting them. You realize frogs and wojaks are unrelated to soyjaks?
At this point you are just complaining the mods liked things you didn't like.
No.159772
>>159769>https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/821390/Well, that's more [s4s], which isn't a bad thing. Didn't it receive a paired thread on [s4s] at the same time? Maybe I'm misremembering. It's true that it's not a "stop enjoying things" sticky, though, so that's worth something.
>using qajp ocWell no, we had our own images. They cleaned it up to provide something different. I guess I'll eat my hat because this deserves credit as an attempt to genuinely improve the board. I hope that mod resigned and is enjoying his time somewhere better instead of playing Sisyphus every day.
>anti-anime & frogs getting public bansFostering an unwanted drama war by awarding shitpost badges to wear with pride instead of deletions. I always assumed they were warnings.
>getting sachiko on the frontpageI'm aware of that, but it was someone messaging hiro on twitter (currently x) that did it after the campaign went nowhere.
>Those got rangebanned for scriptspamming 24/7 and/or associating with the spammer.I don't know how you'd come to the conclusion that the people that disappear from a rangeban are the ones that post with a dozen new proxy IPs each day. The people
affected by a rangeban are inherently innocent because they lack the knowledge/power to get around it. The bot(s) were turned off at the end when the people weren't there to benefit from it.
>You realize frogs and wojaks are unrelated to soyjaks?I do regard glasses wojak as a wojak. Being the modern incarnation of rage comics, there's a variety of templates you can paste in for all situations. Old wojak, young wojak, female wojak, fat wojak, etc. He's part of the pantheon. Just because a specific version because popular and got its own derivatives doesn't mean it's not a wojak.
I think the 'depict my enemy as wojak' thing traces its roots to /r9k/ where unfeeling smug pepe became the representative of what is good in the world (NEETs, loser teenagers, etc) and crying wojak became the enemy instead of the previously empathetic >tfw guy. Smug Pepe, of course, has been replaced by Chad for like 6 years at this point. Holy fuck it's been that long.
Anyway, from /r9k/ it turned into console war wojaks on /v/ where wojaks with hats were the angsty flame war version of console-tans. You knew a console was bad if the wojak with its hat on was crying. It's not a coincidence that this wonderful subculture (is it still a subculture when it's the default across the internet?) started with a Nintendo wojak.
So yes, I do consider it to be connected to wojak. It's true that he's disconnected from '>tfw' wojak, but '>tfw' wojak was supplanted by 'enemy' wojak a decade ago and that's not the wojak I was talking about. In hindsight, that replacement was emblematic of the cultural death of sincerity, but I'll avoid ranting any longer.
No.159775
>>159772>Didn't it receive a paired thread on [s4s] at the same time?NTA and I didn't read the entire conversation you guys are having, but I wouldn't be surprised as the OP of that thread definitely belonged to [s4s] (sadly). This brought up terrible memories for me and I need to vent really quick by yet again wishing death upon all namefags. That will be all.
No.159779
>>159772>Well, that's more [s4s], which isn't a bad thing.Would be very disingenuous to say [s4s] and /qa/ had no overlap. Teeth girl et al.
>Fostering an unwanted drama war by awarding shitpost badges to wear with pride instead of deletions.If someone tries to boss others around, they will inevitably get trolled. Frogs were a reaction to a cause. Mods were ok with qajp until the botting got too ridiculous to ignore.
>I'm aware of that, but it was someone messaging hiro on twitter (currently x) that did it after the campaign went nowhere.With an OC first posted on /qa/, sachiko got front page'd less than a week after it. who says it failed? The original guy may have not stayed for long but sachikoposting is 100% /qa/.
>The people affected by a rangeban are inherently innocent because they lack the knowledge/power to get around it.Are you 100% sure it was a rangeban? With the number of americans in qajp, that would have stopped everyone from posting and it never seemed than more than 3-4 people did.
What I think happened is this: Anti-flood and post discarding.
There's a non-0 chance it wasn't a true rangeban but one of the first anti-flood measures implemented to dissuade ban evaders. Context: This happens right as the same time as the Dire Furfag of the ban evasion site was starting to get customized post blocks, and also the first time when instant post discarding was introduced iirc. Pic very much related.
I wouldn't state it as fact, but it's not past the realm of possibility those innocents were evading so often they got caught in the anti-flood measures. Don't know when false rangebans messages got introduced, but the dates do align.
>>159774afaik that's pure bs. iirc Lolico started the site to learn programming. The only thing right there was the fact he was around 16 when he started.
But it could be an artifact of an older gayop. Lolico and co. were massively gangstalked by the the 9ch discord. After that guy offered to help with the CSAM spam (that he was responsible for) they started butting heads over how "purist" the site needed to be. Multiple fall outs happened and most of it in private chatrooms, most of that is a mystery. He also CSAM-flooded a couple short lived boards made by friends of Lolico to get rid of any "competition" ie 3chan.
At one point larpman straight up set Lolico's co-admin Akemi to take the fall for some manufactured drama. He secretly purged the site db then accused him of going rogue. Since the that guy cabal literally outnumbered Heruri's actual userbase by a factor of 3, Akemi was basically on his own and Lolico was peer pressured into forcing him out. Only reason he didn't also quit after was that larpman actually paid him to stay and finish the ib code.
>>159775> This brought up terrible memories for me and I need to vent really quick by yet again wishing death upon all namefags. Man I remember a lot of shitposts but as far as I know jevin never raped anyone
side note: i think i found a site bug.
No.159780
>>159779>Lolico and co. were massively gangstalked by the the 9ch discord. After that guy offered to help with the CSAM spam (that he was responsible for) they started butting heads over how "purist" the site needed to be.I will live long enough to see these people doxed so I can personally torture them to death.
No.159782
>>159779Rangebanning doesn't work on the advanced 'teens since they use Tuxler and other residential IP services. Essentially, they have access to infinite, normal IPs that they spam with.
>Anti-Flood/DiscardingWasn't this proved in the source code leak?
Also, stop calling it the "ban evasion site". Its the Sharty.
No.159783
>>159782>Also, stop calling it the "ban evasion site". Its the Sharty.Wrong site. We are talking about the ecker wrapper site made by /cumg/
Last time we went at depth on it we agreed it was better to not namedrop it.
No.159794
blue/b/ never ever;_;
No.159798
>>159794I wonder what would happen to boards like /tv/ if a blue /b/ was made. Would people stop treating it as blue /b/ or would they stay there because of tradition?
I have a feeling no new 4chan board will ever be made again without something significant happening to hiro, though.
No.159800
>>159798>I have a feeling no new 4chan board will ever be made again without something significant happening to hiro, though.inb4 someone stabs him to get a new board
No.159801
>>159798I think Hiro is all in on new boards, it's management who doesn't want to.
No.159802
>>159794>>159798There are multiple blue de-facto /b/s. They don't work.
No.159804
god 4gag is so flipping worthless
even the mindless shitposting is dead because the population is shot
now what am i supposed to do?
¥WELL, IT'S TIME TO GO OUTSIDE BACK TO REALITY™ AND BECOME A MINDLESS SLAVE TO WHORE NATURE™ AND REINTEGRATE YOUR SHADOW AND BECOME WHOOOOOOOLE AGAIN LIKE JUNG AND MARRY AND MAKE CHILDREN AND GET A JOB AND BUY PRODUCTS AND KNOW YOUR LIMITS AND MAKE YOUR ANCESTORS HAPPY AND DUMP ALL YOUR ANIME AND GAMES IN THE TRASH WHERE THEY BELONG AND THIS IS ALL LIFE AND REALITY WILL EVER BE AND YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY AND AND OPEN YOUR MOUTH IN A SOYFACE AND [blahblahblah more garbage]
aaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
No.159806
I think what I meant to say is I really hate the people who go on the internet and try to spread normalcy everywhere. I don't think any of us deserve to go on imageboards or forums and be blasted with non-stop normalthink and shaming about how we're wrong for spending a lot of time on the internet, playing games, or watching anime as a few examples.
And I really hate this trend of dropping the internet entirely as if it were some victory. No, leaving the internet does not mean you win. It means you lost. You surrendered. That's one of the whole points of the spam and enforced correctthink. If you think the internet is warped by propaganda the "real" world is worse.
To say, I don't understand why there is so much self-deprecation. This isn't an uncommon opinion but I became rage overloaded and I ended up You screamed..
No.159807
>>159804>WHORE NATURE™Would.
No.159808
>>159804What a normalthink interpretation of the classics... That's a Freud thing, not a Jung thing... Hmph... Typical...
No.159809
>>159804reminder it's always 2AM somewhere in the world
No.159810
>>159806Honestly that's why I like kissu because it's very walled off from the rest of the faggot imageboard community, like the isolationist Korea of yore.
Just take it easy, ignore the normalfags, call them normalfags, insult them, make sure they are unwelcomed.
No.159812
>>159806I feel so much better since I stopped caring about the Internet. It's fucked up way too much to still give a damn about it (with a few exceptions.)
No.159827
>>159765>so lulz, raiding, spamming, etc. is encouraged and practiced, which is really funny if you can just look at it impartially.I don't find it funny, partially because I'm not a psychopath, and partially because the people involved don't actually find it funny. Most of what they do is naked moralfaggotry. They don't fuck with people because they think they'll be funny targets, they fuck with them because they want to bully them out of acting in a way that they disprove of, and, ideally, out of existence. This isn't something they're trying to hide, by the way, they're very open about the fact that they're out to cause harm to those that they think are deserving of punishment.
>>159812The big thing I miss about the Old Internet is that people cared a lot less. If someone threw together an image making fun of you, it's because they thought it was funny. Now, they do it because they hate your guts and want to produce propaganda that makes you look bad.
No.159828
>>159806I think the main issue with the internet is the same issue people have with IRL stuff now. In short; There are no longer real sub-cultures. Every last one of them that used to exist has been whored out for social media upvotes and the possibility of making money off attention whoring. The few sub-cultures that still exist are just waiting to be consumed by this trend or already in the process of it. Furthermore, now that the internet/social media is so common it's really hard for any new real sub-cultures to develop.
The main difference between today and when I was growing up boils down to this; In my childhood-early 20s trends didn't instantly spread and then die within 2 weeks. A trend would start some place like a west coast/east coast city. A sub-culture would develop around it. It felt like a secret club for the first couple of years (maybe decades) until eventually it would be picked up by the MSM somehow. Without the MSM it would only slowly spread out as new people naturally discovered it and started taking part. Once MSM found it then it might be mentioned on the TV now and again. But it was still mostly hidden and the MSM usually got everything about it wrong. But the MSM coverage would help it jump to a new area and a similar but distinct sub-culture like the first would maybe spring up.
As an example; I saw many trends start in say California or New York growing up. They'd already be 2-5 years old by the time they made it to where I lived. By the time we were hip to it the original people had already moved on or the culture had morphed a bit. So the "poser" version we got was always 2-5 years behind the actual epicenter of the sub-culture.
Now the above process happens in 2 days-2 weeks. Someone farts in NYC and everyone knows about it within a day or two and the MSM is doing full on documentaries about it before the end of the month. It's whored out for all it's worth quickly and instead of being something organically enjoyed it's instead used for making money at the start.
Back in the day the whoring part always came much much later. You didn't see a new genre of music spring up and then the knock off t-shirts are Wal-mart a week later. There was a gap of years before things hit the true mainstream. Now everything is mainstream. You never get a chance to live in a small bubble and be creative. Anyone that is attempting to be creative and doing something for the love/art/to make others happy is instead attempting to cash-in before the new thing even gets a chance to be seen by more than 200 people.
I probably didn't explain this well but that's my take on why everything feels fake and gay now.
No.159829
>>159827>I don't find it funny, partially because I'm not a psychopath, and partially because the people involved don't actually find it funny.This is sadly very true. The extreme hatred I see on display now for no reason is baffling to me. I guess it's partly people being awful combined with other people not wanting to appear different for fear of getting bullied. I've never liked bullies and these days it seems like everyone is bullying somebody over something that shouldn't matter at all. Ironically, some of the worst bullies are the type of people that used to get bullied hard by all of society. For all the talk of needing "safe spaces" they sure love taking those away from people they disagree with and enforcing their own ideas upon everyone else.
This I think has a lot to do with what I mentioned above. The fact that there aren't any places where true sub-cultures can spring up. You can't have your semi-secret club. You either get a place with only 10 or so people that will never be able to develop into a healthy growing sub-culture or you get mainstream garbage filled with rude, annoying, 10th level of ironic bullies. The people that claim they don't care about anything while devoting their entire lives to ruining everything anyone else cares about.
You see this on display all over social media these days and on places devoted to following so-called lolcows. In SA parlance everyone is touching the poop now. In fact, they're not only touching the poop they're picking it up then smearing it all over themselves. A lot of this behavior coming directly from people that would be lolcows themselves if they didn't spend so much time attempting to direct everyone's attention to whomever they've deemed okay to bully this week.
It has become very hard to operate any type of place where you have real rules about membership as well. Everything must be open to everyone at all times. If it isn't these bullies to what bullies do best: bully their way in and start making demands. As stated above they mostly accuse everyone of doing what they're doing. For example, the people that cry racism all of the time claiming to be progressive while being openly racist to most everyone. That's probably not the best example. It's more to do with not wanting people around that think different as you said. Usually the -isms are just an excuse that helps them squash any person/group that thinks along different lines from the mainstream.
I honestly don't understand it. Probably because like you I'm not a psychopath (or self centered, despite talking about myself too much). I can get along with most anyone excluding bullies. Bullies I can't tolerate. Not because they're mean to me personally but because they're mean to everyone. I can't stand a bully. It's a horrible way to live and it's a horrible thing to do to other people who are mostly just minding their own business or doing their own things. It's like crushing a child's dream. The innocent shouldn't be treated like that.
Having participated in my fair share of raids and such over the years (and poking fun) I'm ashamed of it. I never liked crap flooding some forum or bullying people that were just minding their own business as a group. It's shameful behavior. As long as they aren't bothering anyone else they should be left alone. Who cares what they do in their own forum/club/chat room/board/whatever as long as they aren't bothering anyone else. The moralfag bullying that's all over the internet now is particularly horrible. Attempting to bully from a so-called moral high ground is the ultimate form of being a self centered asshole.
No.159833
The "its on topic bruh" ai spammers on /a/ are gonna become a real problem sooner or later. Hiro will hopefully create an ai only board if we're lucky
No.159834
I was notified just now that that lolwut guy stepped down as the owner of Vidlii and transferred full control to the co-owner called Aniki. Is it known if the site is still Kolyma-controlled?
>>159751>The kag thingThat's a great read, thank you very much for the info!
No.159837
>>159828>>159829This all makes a lot of sense and I completely agree about the part on bullies. I wasn't part of this conversation prior to this post, the only thing that I think to see different is that I like to differentiate between harmful raids and raids that I personally would categorize to be *actually* "for the lulz".
I've never really enjoyed activities the goal of which it was to make a victim scared, sad, or break something, like manipulating them to visit prank sites with scripts. It was still funny as a teen, but even as a mere spectator it always felt bad to witness. However, I've always really enjoyed harmless pranks like crashing into a webcam lobby as a community with everyone pointing their cam to a figure, plushie or mildly offensive object or gag, then spamming the chat with nonsensical garbage. I've always viewed those things as the shut-in version of a "fun night out with friends", stupid, but not evil. I really miss things like that, but I'm happy that we at least have activities like the streams and games on here, even if I'm not participating. It's just good to know it's an option.
Another thing regarding bullying: I'm 100% in support of keeping a community in check and making sure to not allow in incompatible sub-communities or potentially problematic topics, I think that's essential in keeping a site's atmosphere, but I feel it sometimes goes too far and unnecessarily so. Like when a new anon accidentally uses a "controversial reaction pic" and immediately gets shit on by 1 or 2 people, even though it seemed obvious the person legitimately had no ill intent and was just trying to join in. It's effective, but it makes me sad to see and I hope it didn't have a lasting negative effect on those good anons that tried.
I'm aware that going easy on such posts can result in a slippery slope, there's evidence for that everywhere on the internet, I just wish there was a better way.
>>159835While it's nice to see Billy, I think the co-owner got into some small controversy to do with "unrightfully" deleting pro-Nazi accounts. I forgot the details, but I believe there was a purge on accounts with actually illegal statements and some of the more tame users got caught in the crossfire, which wasn't a good look because Aniki is known to dislike such content, even if it should be allowed (still, I think?) per the rules. I forgot all the details though.
>>159836Not to me personally. Heyuri wiki states that the site switched over to Kolyma when the owner changed in 2022 or so, but that the 3 letter guy stepped down a year later. Not sure how strong the ties between the current owner and them are.
No.159877
>>159875This is the most disgusting thing I've seen in many years.
No.159886
>>159875Of course these two incompetent attention seeking fags would be running systemd+linux and gnome.
No.159889
>>159875Does he really run fucking manjaro? Even linux newbies know that's shit these days
No.159890
>>159810if kissu had like twice or thrice its current population (judging from the recent glasses and beard polls it's around 50 people, although many of them are likely lurkers) it'd be pretty perfect desu
No.159891
>>159890You mean posting population I suppose
Imagine if we have reached some cybernetic threshold and magnitude increases in population would only result in single-digit increase in posters. Rest are lurkers
No.159892
>>159891No idea if this remains true. But I had access to the stats of many forums between the early 2000s until the mid-2010s. On just about every one there were only 1-3 posters for every 100-200 lurkers.
No.159893
>>159892forums are a different animal from imageboards
No.159894
>>159893Not really when you consider participation
No.159895
>>159894you need to make an account to even participate on forums
imageboards have a much lower barrier to entry
No.159896
>>159895The same people willing to make an account post on anonymous platforms. The people that don't want to make accounts don't post either. There is no possible way you've had as large of a sample size as I have to even know in the first place. It's easy to see the ratio of posters vs. lurkers on imageboards. It's the same thing. It's the same thing on blogs and social media too. For every 1 person posting their inner thoughts there are 10 that simply read what other people are shitting out.
No.159898
>>159896>The same people willing to make an account post on anonymous platforms. The people that don't want to make accounts don't post either.I post on forums once every 5 years on average and I post on imageboards daily, or at least once every few days if I'm overwhelmed by life.
The raw lurker-poster proportion stat might indeed be similar, as long as we're not talking of anyhow closed-off forums. Personally I do really feel like imageboards have more of exclusive subinterest/subopinion/subexpression diversity you would expect to see if more of a place's lurkers chime in sometimes. An intuitive impression.
No.159903
>>159833>ai only boardA disaster waiting to happen, that's where the next /cumg/ will come from.
No.159904
>>159837>Like when a new anon accidentally uses a "controversial reaction pic" and immediately gets shit on by 1 or 2 people, even though it seemed obvious the person legitimately had no ill intent and was just trying to join inIt's almost always a retarded thread shitter trying to play innocent and testing the waters, if it passes, the thread will get slowly bombarded with more stupid "innocent" posts of the same kind. And even IF it were truly someone
innocent, big chance it's a tourist that doesn't know it's place, if you allow that behavior it attracts more of the same retard. Of course it does often backfire when the shitter himself tries to falseflag and gatekeep a normal poster.
No.159906
>>159904It's not that I'd like such content to be allowed, but that I wish there was a more "neutral" way of getting people to adapt to the community, for example by outright banning things like the v-word - the core of Kissu is too opposed to it for it to ever lead to anything positive, making it so that it either results in obvious ragebaits, or scares away a newbie that might have been a good addition if normally told to avoid that genre. I don't intend to criticize anyone though, I fully understand the behavior because I've lost a fair share of home boards to invasions myself, I think I'm more just mentioning this for the sake of conversation and to hopefully make lurkers feel at least a little less nervous about the rougher parts.
I know it helped me when an anon on here was nice enough to explain to me the issue with the aforementioned topic, I wasn't aware of it because I don't consume the content and last talked to /jp/ on an altchan in 2014 or so. I even completely forgot about the 2D purism until I got reminded of it just recently and was lucky enough to avoid any major issues because it's not really part of the threads I usually interact with.
No.159918
>>159906>for example by outright banning things like the v-wordI don't know what you're referring to.
No.159920
>>159906> the v-wordvirgin?
we're all proud virgins here
No.159921
Moderation is an impossible thing to ever win. If you've deleted any post, at any time, for any reason, your board is considered needlessly restrictive. At the same time people are yelling at you for allowing other posts to exist without a split second deletion.
>I don't know what you're referring to.
The only thing I can think of is vtubers, but there's no such ban in place. People are free to make threads, but people are free to criticize them in a non-destructive way.
No.159924
>>159918>>159920>>159921Vtuber it is.
>>159921I think I would just enforce my own basic set of rules that I would personally deem necessary in achieving the community I'd like to maintain, even if some of those might feel unfair to certain groups of people. I think Kissu's moderation is great, maybe a bit too light in some places for my own personal taste, but I don't believe the consumer has a right to complain unless something is going so wrong that it's changing the whole site.
No.159932
>>159921>Moderation is an impossible thing to ever winOnly on a random board it is
No.159935
>>159921>Moderation is an impossible thing to ever win.You can only micromanage a small community. When it grows you must look for smarter approaches, like trying to shame posters that don't know their place. Regardless, at one point you MUST pick your poison and what kind of shitposting you'd rather allow (not to let it run rampant, of course).
Being a draconian asshole doesn't work, if you want to wrangle every poster you might as well just play with your dolls.
No.159937
>>159875>they linked upfinally, the greatest yaoi of our time
No.159942
GNFOS died again........
No.159945
>>159802Old /v/ worked great.
No.159953
>>159903I feel like a stupid nigger for asking but what the fuck is /cumg/?
No.159954
the g is ejaculating
No.159956
>>159953A general for jacking it
No.159961
>>159953One of the many children of the pandemic. I think there's at least one OG here who can explain it better than me. It started as a general for porn scrapping and quickly became closely tied to image genning and had it's own git repo where people postes crappers, models, and eventually posting tools. It got big, arguably the biggest thread in /g/.
Eventually they started getting moderated fell into a rebellious era setting up shitpost scripts and image embedders that got used to spam CSAM. That got them exiled out of /g/ in November 2021 iirc.
They moved to /trash/ for a couple months before getting canned entirely. They got invited by the admin of 2chen to become refugees there. At this point the 'ick on 'eck guy who was really active on AI proc generals decided to program a free proxy handler wrapper to get back at the mods.
A few months later the Dire Furfag came in with a zoophile crew from /an/ and started handling free proxies to everyone, getting himself invited to the dev chats. /cumg/ dies there and then as the original gang left in disgust, he sniped the ecker engine from the Italian and put up his own fork.
What remains of /cumg/ today is a corpse piloted by the furfag and his monkeyfucker friend who explicitly plans to turn their fork into a clearnet pedosite.
No.160023
Are desuarchive and archived running on the same servers? Asking because I noticed that both are down right now.
No.160032
>>158645I hate how /cm/ is full of flavor-of-the-month westoid and /co/ character art. Was it always like this? I never see this this being the case with /c/.
No.160035
>>160032/cm/, /c/, /y/, and /u/ are curious cases. Despite having been created with a focus on anime, the rules of these boards do not prohibit content from other countries or with non-anime aesthetics, and searching through the catalog and archives, you can see that the mods really don't have a problem with non-Japanese content either. However, of these four boards, only /c/ seems to maintain an unwritten rule of only posting content with an anime aesthetic; the rest have threads dedicated to Western IPs and cartoon style (and even real people in the case of /u/). Maybe it's the board's closeness to /a/ and the overlap of elitist users what keeps that rule going, or maybe it's just the board's name (ANIME/Cute) that makes people think only anime images are allowed.
Anyway, to answer your original question, yes, /cm/ has had threads about FotM series and Western originals, at least since I started visiting that board in 2017. However, the number of western threads has increased over time, possibly due to the decline of Tumblr (which used to be full of people obsessed with male characters from comics, cartoons and live-action) and the westernization of 4chan in general. Years ago cartoon content was posted in a containment "/co/ boys" thread and only extremely popular western series got their own threads (and only anime/japanese art was posted), but nowadays there are even threads for a movie about papal candidates (
https://boards.4chan.org/cm/thread/3970222) and cashgrab horror games for streamers and children (
https://boards.4chan.org/cm/thread/3950697). It's surreal but personally it doesn't bother me, and I almost prefer it that way because it gives people more reasons to use a board that nowadays is almost dead.
No.160037
After how long do good 4chan cookies go stale? Must be 2 weeks or so.
No.160038
>>160035didn't /c/ had a known nazi mod?
No.160045
>>160043Hiroshimoot still lives in Paris, right? Would be funny if they van-ed him.
No.160048
>>159774>>159779from the chatlogs that he posted I remembered it was mentioned a bunch of times.
CTRL + F "22"
https://archive.is/wLPsUhttps://archive.is/kNsZfAlso kind of funny that he tried to redact the part about what he was blackmailing him about when you can just select the redacted text directly:
>I know your name, adress, and face. I have your past residency and school attendance records. I know your entire familys names and adresses because [REDACTED] I know everything about you, and i know your personal struggles too, such as employment status, and how you are on the verge of being kicked out of your parents home. I know things about your past like you pretending to be a trap, and all that shit. I know all of your history with 22chan, and i know what you have done and what you are capable of. I know every single detail about your life, you, and your family. No.160049
>>160039That's so retarded, it's like China trying to fine 4chan for posting anti-CCP stuff despite not operating nor having servers in there.
No.160050
>>160048And this was memory holed, even in the party? Genuinely impressed that
everyone involved could be so retarded holy fucking shit No.160051
>>160048>literally who drama nobody cares aboutGo away with your discord circlejerk.
No.160052
>>160051>literal whoadmins of imageboards are literal whos?
No.160053
>>160052Yes. They are literally the spitting definition of a literal who.
No.160054
Kissu did put a word filter on a name because of the same group seeking infamy in the thread via self promotion of drama instead of actual happenings. This does seem eerily familiar...
No.160055
>>160053Well I'm sorry for discussing imageboard happenings on the imageboard happenings thread.
If you don't like it, don't post.
No.160057
>>160052>>160055Boards 99% of all image board users don't care about. It gets strange when they dominate the threads.
No.160058
>>160057Ehh it's not that. Talking about the boards is good, interpersonal drama inside discord not so much.
No.160059
>>160057I don't think an organic discussion product of something that happened this week qualifies as dominating the thread.
>Boards 99% of all image board users don't care about.So we are only allowed to talk about fullchan and halfchan?
No.160060
And i'm being generous in 8's case.
No.160061
>>160059>So we are only allowed to talk about fullchan and halfchan?It should genuinely be renamed to the 4chan happenings thread because that is 97% of the discussion here. I'm not even sure what qualifies as a "happening" to get featured in this thread as it always has to be extremely major despite how the alternative imageboard space consists of a undoubtedly small userbase where barely anything crazy can happen anyways.
You'd think people would at least post news about some place adding a new board or things similarly to that criteria.
No.160062
>>160051You didn't even read the thread you obvious subhuman 4chan refugee.
>>160057That rule sounds a little arbitrary to me and I'm not sure where it comes from. This would completely eliminate all discussion about textboards for example, which are specifically mentioned in the OP.
>>160058I feel like this ignores the context of the situation. The anon was adding info to a conversation that got started by a direct question related to imageboard (owner) history. Complaining that that additional info is tied to cord logs makes no sense if we consider the fact that a lot of older happenings with actual site-wide consequences originated in IRC and / or e-mail logs that involved at least one owner.
No.160063
>>160061>I'm not even sure what qualifies as a "happening" to get featured in this thread as it always has to be extremely major despite how the alternative imageboard space consists of a undoubtedly small userbase where barely anything crazy can happen anyways.It isn't a happenings thread without at least a hundred posts of autistic arguments on what constitutes a happening
Jokes aside. It's really just what you described: News from other IBs.
No.160064
>>160055How is admin drama an imageboard happening?
You know what would be an imageboard happening, if something was happening related to the fucking imageboard and not some circlejerk admin secret club drama between some slavic pedonigger and whatever circlejerk he managed to worm himself into this time.
Fucking newfags I swear to God.
No.160065
>>160061>You'd think people would at least post news about some place adding a new board or things similarly to that criteria.This is true, it would be nice to see stuff like this. Events or new boards and other things would help liven it up. Happenings that isn't a website imploding is a nice change of pace. They say no new is good news, but it doesn't have to be that way for imageboard stuff.
No.160066
frankly I would welcome people just posting any unusually good 4chan threads they see
that's a happening, right?
No.160067
>>160064An admin is related to his imageboard.
You remind me of that anon from recently who threatened to leave Kissu and had to eject himself from the thread with tears in his eyes and a "Bye." because not a single person cared. I get the feeling he still didn't leave.
No.160068
>>160066But is there anything unusually good going on on 4chan these days?
>>160067Wow then I guess
>>>/sum/3501 is a happening because it's related to the imageboard sphere (That's the admin!)
No.160069
>>160064>How is admin drama an imageboard happening?The happening was a previous admin reappearing in heyuri. The conversation evolved from there, and 95% of it is history talk.
You saw a discord screenshot from half a decade ago and flipped. It's ok. You are anon, you don't need to keep doubling down.
No.160070
>>160066It kind of feels like we'd be treading into the territory of the 4chan happenings thread that's still on 4chan, albeit a shadow of its former self in many ways.
It's an interesting idea, though. Maybe there would need to be a high bar to qualify, something truly unusual?
No.160071
>>160068You're again ignoring the context of the conversation in this thread, most likely on purpose because you don't care about the actual issue. Refer to
>>160062 on why your complaints are flawed and read like blind rage to others.
Why are you even here instead of on 4chan if you're unwilling to or incapable of discussing your supposed worries in an objective way? This emotional instability in post form you're dealing out is why people left, now you're bringing it here instead of engaging with your own kind.
No.160072
>160071
I literally do not give two shits about the going ons of imageboard admins, they are not a happening, the lives and breakups of adminships are not a happening, it's faggot gossip, simple as.
No.160074
>>160072Then you should probably leave the thread for your own mental health and so that we don't have to see your undiscussable angerposting. Or make posts other than "I hate this and you're [buzzwords]".
No.160079
>>160068It is a happening and you should post more about it.
No.160080
>>160072andy stop being a retard and let people post
No.160082
Some folks here literally want you to shut up about 4chan. They prefer to focus on their literally who circlejerk, which they're probably involved with personally.
No.160084
>>160082That much is obvious. No one gives a shit about some fag running an imageboard. They're turbo attention whores and they ruin everything they touch.
No.160085
>>160082>>160084>Some folks here literally want you to shut up about 4chanThe vast majority of this thread's recent activity is the exact opposite, you're even resorting to making things up now to continue venting your unreasonable anger.
No.160086
Like I said. Turbo attention whores.
No.160092
>>160061I mean in the past it was the 8chan happenings thread, just is what it is by virtue of what imageboards haven't committed sudoku over the years.
No.160109
I figured out what 4chan will look like 10 years from now. You ready for this? You know how every board is dying because of
><x> general
threads? Even /a/ which claims they don't allow them despite every thread being a general not named a general.
Well I'm sure over the next few years the various generals will merge into one general. One general thread for each board where people can enjoy their public discord server emulation with tripcodes, avatarfagging and off-site drama all fed by bots re-posting the same things over and over again and the same 10 idiots in-fighting.
Soon after the need for multiple boards will be deemed too costly to host. So boards start getting merged together to hold the different generals. Then the generals can merge again until all of 4chan is one general thread. Where nothing of value is discussed. The admin will show up again after 20 years of being quiet and announce that live posting will be added. To better simulate the discord chat rooms the current users like. For the low low price of $40 a year you'll be able to post using real avatars and get a color for your tripcode. They'll call it 4chan turbo.
No.160122
>>160109And we can name that general... Raspberry Heaven!
No.160156
>>160122Can't wait for the inevitable spinoff imageboard made by some kid from that general.
No.160166
Note to myself if I ever acquire 4chan:
- Add this text to the top of every page: "This site is not for MAGA NPCs or retard leftists. You can throw shit at each other on xitter or reddit."
- Fire ABIB.
No.160168
>>160166Don't forget to rape RapeApe and fire him
No.160169
>>160168Nah, he can do the paperwork without mod access.
No.160170
>>160166>”Not for retarded leftists”Not for retarded fascists either
No.160171
>>160170You mean stormfags?
No.160172
>>160166I'd just do a hard reset. Get all new mods and whatnot
No.160173
>>160171same shit, different name.
No.160174
>>160109I would bet on imageboards just dying out before this ever happens.
Only surviving on as a niche like people that still use ipods or restore and use old computers.
No.160175
>>160166ABIB can be redeemed. YourNameHere needs to get sodomized urgently.
No.160178
>>160177There isn't anything to say. ABIB just have hot opinions. YNH is a legitimate asshole. I don't understand why he's on IRC because he hates being spoken to and verbally abuses everyone he comes across.
No.160187
>>160109>sakana generalwhat did he mean by this?
No.160191
>>160166>Fire all current modsFixed.
No.160192
>>160191>Fire all current mods*rape and kill
fixed
No.160193
>>160109i can't tell if this is a serious prediction but I think the opposite will happen. Instead of becoming 1 big thread activity will be spread out across even more threads than it already is. The point of a general to is separate from the rest of the board usually so people have a place to talk about something more niche. Generals merging kind of goes against the point of them. For the past 10 years generals have only gotten more numerous and made 4chan more and more fractured so it seems most likely that they'll just keep doing that.
>Soon after the need for multiple boards will be deemed too costly to hostI think this would save barely any money. maybe it saves storage costs but 4chan barely takes up any storage
No.160199
>>160048Funny how the thread got derailed after this was posted
No.160200
>>160199Turbo attention whore sad he's not getting the attention he craves I see.
No.160202
>>160199I think it's more funny that the people who derailed the thread because of the supposed "attention whoring" are the ones who made that post the central attention of the thread. I wouldn't be surprised if they came straight from H*yuri to try and get it removed since this is as mentioned a memory holed incident documenting the shit storm that was its founding.
No.160204
I seen't it.
No.160208
We've literally been talking about other websites for the last +50 posts.
No.160210
We've literally been talking about other websites for the last +50 years.
No.160212
>>160211Huh, does that mean 4plebs is based in the UK? Is this a portend of social sites needing to migrate to certain countries just like exhentai?
I know some UK forums closed down a few months ago for something like this, something about requiring a superhuman (or tech giant) level of moderation to keep the site from running afoul of the UK law.
These are dark times as multiple countries are heading this direction, mine included.
No.160213
slow day
No.160214
4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
>According to Preston Byrne, managing partner of law firm Byrne & Storm, Ofcom has provisionally decided to impose a £20,000 fine "with daily penalties thereafter" for as long as the site fails to comply with its request.>"4chan has broken no laws in the United States - my client will not pay any penalty," Mr Byrne said.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1o No.160215
kissu is being spammed
No.160218
>>160208Isn't the thread for that?
No.160219
>>160214I guess Bongs will have to buy VPNs from the black market
No.160220
Happening update: Kissu is saved
No.160223
>>160221cool-guy needs to route Kissu activity through his 5090 system to have it get monitored by AI. And verify age with driver's licenses.
No.160225
>>160221He does it for free.
No.160228
>>160109>over the next few years the various generals will merge into one generalNever happening, at least not on /a/, some threads are so different from each other it feels like a completely different website.
No.160229
>>160168>>160169*turn him into a powerless Janny
No.160233
>>160211Is there a single archive admin that isn't completely insane?
Legit they obsess over the most random shit ever. No common sense whatsoever.
No.160277
Speaking of archives, did we ever figure out what happened to wakarimasen?
No.160293
わかんない
No.160390
Cloudflare seems to be fucking up these past few days. I couldn't enter Warosu, Desuarchive, Wapchan, or even Kissu for hours until the connection issue was solved. Seems like the Bongland self-censorship has wrecked them.
No.160391
>>160390I only visited Kissu and luckily didn't have any issues pertaining to entering outright, but I did get those odd loading issues again that I had to use Warp for to avoid before stuff magically fixed itself or Verniy changed something. Seems to be back to normal though. Glad to hear it wasn't me at least.
No.160392
>>160391Yeah, whenever these issues happen, I can only access them through a VPN, then it fixes itself. Among those I've named, Kissu seems to be the most stable one although the loading issues would still happen.
No.160393
>>160392>I can only access them through a VPN, then it fixes itselfsame, i've had to do it with the stream yesterday and the week before
at some point it stopped loading stuff
No.160394
>>160390>Cloudflare>Kissu...
No.160395
I've been having the same problem for a while now. I found out it's the reverse proxy that's blocking the connection. This also happens randomly, and i haven't figured out what triggers it or what fixes it, as it returns to normal after some hours. It's definitely IP related, as even a simple proxy let's you connect again.
No.160396
>>160390>>160391>>160392For me It's the bloody soccer. Every time there are "La Liga" matches, Cloudflare IPs get blocked to make the pirate streams innacessible. Saturday, sunday and sometimes friday too. In Italy they are doing something similar, but at least you get a message saying that the site is blocked for legal reasons. Here it's a blackhole routing that just discards the traffic. It even fucks F-Droid and Retroarch.
I had to get a donator token in order to use Warp without getting banned from Kissu. Today It's been 5 straight hours of blocking so far
No.160433
>>160427That's not entirely true. He did
"something" earlier this year when he moved the Left 4 Touhou thread to /vm/, moved it back to /jp/, and then deleted it.
No.160443
wheres ota
No.160444
soon
No.160445
>>160443henri finally got his revenge
No.160453
>>160433>>160452we need more room for kpop and vtubers, please understand
No.160454
>>160408every db thread on /a/ is super clean and sanitized now, the real dbz schizos ran to the archives, just look at the difference between any super thread on /a/ and archivedesu and the difference is night and day.
kinda funny
No.160458
>>160454Did a mod wake up and suddenly decided he wanted to undo years of mental illness? Anyway, this will probably spawn yet another altchan full of subhumans like the sharty.
No.160459
>>160458They used to have talks about having their own imageboard back in the day. Their first attempts were trying to make a wiki dedicated to their own threads. IIRC, the first one was "Chad's Den" in Fandom which got nuked and then there was the second one chadsofa which I think is also dead.
No.160460
>>160459Hope the purge doesn't stop here. I wonder what triggered this though, did they just start spamming csam or something? Or maybe there's a new mod?
No.160461
>>160460Back in 2017 during the Gohan vs Caulifla shit talks, one (maybe two but I don't think so) autist would spam gore in the threads out of pure seething from the posts. Back then, the threads weren't that active, fast, nor notorious so the mods just let the threads be and just banned the spammer, plus DBS was still airing at the time, they even made the sticky for the final episode which had over 2000 posts which was the last time the mods were ever kind to those threads. I wouldn't be surprised if in its current degeneracy someone started posting CP which lead to the mods finally having their Al Capone reason to purge them that they so much desired.
No.160463
>>160462I think this is just their retaliation to getting their threads deleted.
No.160469
>>160443I always wondered how ota manages to stay online despite that unmoderated csam spam, I guess someone finally reported them
No.160493
In actual imageboard happening news, apparently the #4chan irc channel has been made to be (+b) mode, more to come
No.160507
>>160493What does it mean other than them banning people from the channel?
No.160549
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/281689617700 replies on a slop shilling thread. And it got archived. I guess mods really can be bribed
No.160550
>>160549This thread is really grim. 4chan really should've just been shut down when m00t left.
No.160551
>>160549If a bad thread on /a/ is a happening this thread is going to need thousands of more posts each week.
No.160556
>>160555Fuck the British and fuck Ofcom for trying to enforce itself across the world pretty much.
Both sites were getting fined, the fine is pretty much unenforceable so the two are suing
No.160557
>>160549>>160551if you use view same on the pics the op posts, you can see he's actually made dozens and dozens of threads, always responding to haters saying he's on topic, and at times there are three or four of these threads up simultaneously
seems mods have consentend to 4/a/ having its slop general, except generals are still not allowed so it's somewhat different
>>160554nitter says tweet not found, hmm
>>160555UK govt wants to fine 4chan 20k pounds, 4chan countered it
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1othen kiwi joined
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjq40vjl7o No.160558
>>160549AI garbage is fucking cancer and anyone defending it is a malicious faggot.
No.160560
The site needs a mod flush so fucking bad. Or at least add some kind of vote where people can vote a guy out. That would be lulzy as fuck but it's necessary
No.160561
The state of 4chan and the cancer hogging it:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/281784441/Still live, but a good example. It's not just about this thread, or the topic it gets shitposted about. This is a general problem with off-topic schizo posting. It's like every thread can be ruined by some schizo who hyper-focuses on some irrelevant topic because of personal butthurt and obsession.
No.160562
>>160561I thought I would have to scroll down a bit to see what you were talking about but it's immediate. So immediate.
No.160563
>>160561This type of shit used to be sniped quicker prior to the hack. Goes to show how much it has impacted them.
No.160564
>>160563>This type of shit used to be sniped quicker prior to the hackIt used to?
No.160565
>>160561to be completely desu using "they" for a known person with a known sex is awkward and the the back and forth where retards on both sides "YOU CAN'T EVER USE THEY ON SINGULAR" and "YOU CAN ALWAYS USE THEY ON SINGULAR" is pretty annoying
unknown or theoretical persons only, that's my standard. and even then "he or she" is perfectly acceptable in many instances
No.160566
>>160565I just default to "he" because that's how it works in Spanish, not even native English speakers give a single flying fuck about grammatical rules.
No.160567
>>160565That's how I as ESL "learned" it from reading interactions on the internet. I don't know if "They" on singular is objectively correct for known people, I just avoid using it in such cases because there is no need.
No.160569
>>160567It also sounds unnatural.
No.160570
>>160565You're missing the point, retard. The thread is about a mangaka that died. But there are over 100 of deleted posts treating "they" vs. something else like the most important issue ever.
No.160572
>>160570One big issue is that a lot of people think that reporting is useless, so these kind of posts just stay forever and the thought feeds on itself, I've reported a faggot before because he wrote like a /pol/shart, and got most of his posts deleted.
No.160576
>>160569It's the ambiguity of whether it's talking about a plural or a singular thing that I have trouble with. Unnatural things become natural if you let inertia take its course.
No.160578
>>160561to be fair, i don't think this is a good example of the phenomenon you are describing
derailment over petty stuff is a really old thing, and we shouldn't be surprised to see it appear in a thread about a random romcom with only two volumes for sale, a series that hardly anyone had paid any attention to beforehand
a funeral for such an unknown person is somewhat jarring, and i would certainly expect chantards to deviate from its attempt at seriousness
it's very different from one schizo rambling about korea and bikinis in a thread where people actually care about the real topic
No.160579
>>160567It wasn't an issue before the world went retarded 10 years ago. "They" was just an easy way to refer to people in general in English.
>They are coming over>They own a speed boat>Did you see what they were doing yesterday?etc. etc.
No.160580
>>160579>>160567I guess I should explain further. It's correct to refer to a group, two people or one person. It's a catch-all. I don't give a fuck what the text books say (they're usually wrong anyway) every native speaker does it.
This was accepted part of the language until ESLs and the mentally ill decided the word had to have rules about it or people didn't want to be referred to by their sex.
The best thing to do as always is to ignore idiots that make an issue of such things.
No.160581
>>160570I got the point
I just wanted to discuss something else
english grammar is interesting to discuss
No.160582
>>160580there are increasing numbers of people who use it ALL THE TIME and it sounds pretty weird and is often confusing
I've heard people talk about a specific person, like "my friend," and use they, and in the same sentence refer to multiple people, and of course use they
in the first place, you know what sex your friend is. use he or she. and in the second, now I don't always know if you're referring to your friend or the group of people.
just like english could really use a he^2 (for when there are two men in a sentence who could be referred to) and similar pronouns, english definitely needs the plural
it's a poor enough language as is, we don't need to make it LESS clear
No.160583
>>160581No need to justify your post to that suicidal nutjob, best to ignore and wait for the garbage to take out itself.
No.160584
>>160582The dialect of English I speak is so retarded use of 'they' isn't really an issue. They is the plural but it can also be the singular. You infer meaning based on everything around it.
Now I do agree using it in place of he/she because you don't like he/she is pretty stupid. But I'm isolated from most of the stupid in the native English speaking lands. For example, at some point the people that were telling us that "y'all" wasn't correct English started using it as a trendy way to refer to groups of people. After years of attempting to bully us out of using it. All because they think it's something black people made up or something. They aren't aware that they use it because they have a shared culture with my people (poor white trash) and only took it with them when they moved out of this area in the 60s-70s when they fled into the cities up North and out west.
I'm serious they hated use of "y'all" so much that they sent people from the big cities into our podunk towns to teach the children how we'd never get a real job if we spoke like our parents. Now most of that stuff is considered hip and cool. I guess that's just how language works. It's pretty stupid.
No.160585
>>160584I don't much like y'all but that's just because I think we should have kept thou and thee and had you and ye and our plural
No.160588
>>160585I love 'y'all'. Y'all is great. I just don't like people appropriating my culture and upbringing. But it's always okay when they do it to us.
You can't tell from text but I can lay on my accent and use of local lingo so thick most native English speakers can't follow what I'm saying. We prefer it that way. I can also turn it off and speak like a lawyer, doctor or stuck up person from the most horrible places in my native country. It's like having a cheat code. I change the way I speak and relax my accent and I instantly gain 50 IQ points in the mind of whomever I'm speaking too. I turn it on real thick and they think I'm retarded. Very useful in business dealings.
No.160590
>>160588Some of my favorite local words: Yonder, poke, buggy, ain't, you'ins, liketa, fixin' (as in fixin' to), fixin's (food), every double negative (very confusing to non-natives), every double noun, measurement nouns being acceptable as singulars even in plurals, airish (windy), senpai (red squirrel), gaul, gaulmed up, britches (pants), cat-head (biscuits), directly (as-in "I'm coming directly"), holler (valley), hussy (loose woman), jasper (stranger), peackerwood (white trash/asshole), piece (over there a piece, refers to distance), reckon ("I guess"), tobaggon (wool hat, also large sled), tote (tote this for me = carry this for me), whistle pig (groundhog), si-gogglin (all out of wack, not true, wavy).
There are many more. We basically have our own language where I grew up. It's great. No one can understand wtf we're saying.
No.160591
>>160555Bongs passed a law requiring websites with NSFW content to add age verification systems under threat of being fined and blocked. The law was written in a way that it applies to ANY website that can be accessed from UK, even those hosted in other countries. The Office of Communications eventually reached 4chan and KiwiFarms and demanded that they must comply with their gay laws or get daily fines that go up to £25,000. The sites, using a lawyer, told Ofcom to eat shit and die because they have no right to harass non-UK corporations, and sued them in an American court.
>>160557>nitter says tweet not found, hmmhttps://x.com/prestonjbyrne/status/1960764523843043393 No.160592
>>160555We get put on the same bag was kiwifarms for free because a lawyer offered to fight a high profile lawsuit that doesn't affect us at all pro bono
No.160593
>>160588you'd got along with a friend of mine from south carolina.
if you'll all forgive my autism a moment I'd like to lay out my ENGLISH IMPROVEMENT IDEAS
instead of he, she, they, it -
θti - males (like th'ti)
sti - unknown or theoretical (people, animals, etc)
ʃti - females (like shti)
ti - objects
tu - ideas (concepts and vague things. like the weather or a theory)
add y to the end to pluralize it.
stiy (pronounced like stay) would be the most common for people, replacing they, since it can refer to any group no matter its makeup of men or women
to refer to a SECOND person/object/whatever in a sentence, -
ð̼di - men
zdi - unknown person/animal
ʒdi - women
di - objects
du - ideas
or something like that. constantly working on my conlang and I want something like that for pronouns
obviously there would be similar cases for him/her/them and you/thou as well as I/me
No.160594
>>160557>>160553Seem there was yet another internal debate that went they same way it always does: everyone feigns insanity when confronted with what everyone else does because a mod being forced to follow consensus could potentially end up with a mod resigning.
No.160595
>>160593>ʃti - females (like shit)heh
No.160621
>>160619I'd certainly prefer this to days being named after old Gods.
No.160624
>>160619I am totally the type of autist who would be all for the changes in the french revolution
I prefer base 12 stuff over base 10 stuff, though. fuck metric.
>>160621personally I'm fine with the gods but I want consistency. fucking october, november, december? those aren't fucking gods.
also the calendar should be readjusted so that we have 30 day month, then 31 day month, etc (at least on leap years)
February can be a 30 day month that becomes 31 on leap years
AND we should at least TRY to make it so that the winter solstice is usually either the first or last day of a year, instead of usually the 21st or 22nd of december.
No.160625
>>160619Those seasonal month names remind me a lot of the traditional Japanese ones. Absolutely trash for any kind of international standard though.
No.160626
>>160624I was taking about days of the week sorry. Sunday = Sun, Monday = Moon, Tuesday = Tyr day, Wednesday = Odin's day, Thursday = Thor's day, Friday = Frigg's day, Saturday = Saturn day.
No.160628
>>160554So 4chan is "teaming" with Kiwifarms for the legal maneuvers? If have understood it correctly, that's falling low even for 4chan.
https://www.theverge.com/social/767063/4chan-kiwi-farms-lawsuit-uk-ofcom No.160629
Dunno if this is actually teaming in this case and perhaps seperate cases, I can't read Verge articles without a subscription.
No.160630
Der Untermensch Double Whammy
No.160631
>>160626well the months are after roman gods and the days are after germanic gods (mostly)
if we could just get saturn out of the weekdays (replace him with baldr?) that'd be much better
sun and moon are holy enough (in all pagan religions) to stay, I think
No.160632
>>160629Wait, it isn't free?
Oh, right.
No.160635
>>160628It’s not really falling low if you’re actually doing something for the right cuase, you massive assmuncher. Go offer up your brain to be scanned by the UK government for tracking bad thoughts if you’re against this:
No.160636
Blind team-based partisanship in the face of universally bad government policy like this is the reason why society as a whole crumbles.
No.160637
>>160632i'm not installing crap to read other people's opinion pieces
No.160638
>>160635Associating with those KiwiFarms fucktards is the thing I won't accept, even if it is to fight the fucking INGSOC. Not like they are very different nowadays, but..
No.160639
if you guys need to calm down please visit my hamster thread
No.160641
If I was Vermin I would ban you for advocating that kissu and all other altchans should be killed to satisfy your crybaby desire for petty retribution against kf.
No.160642
If you willingly associate or side yourself with KF, then you're not exactly a great person.
But some Verge article saying that because the legal teams are sharing information isn't saying that much.
No.160643
>>160641Now you are putting words in my mouth. Go outside and touch grass.
>>160642I have asked if the communities are teaming out of their own accord, or the legal teams are the ones that decided to represent them together, because I'm not fully getting it and I don't trust a Verge Article.
No.160644
>>160642If you willingly associate or side yourself with the UK government then you are advocating for the murder of all hobbyist and small forum websites across the whole of the internet. And in the same vein arguing for our murder by the same government entities. If you'd choose to side with them over a simply meany poopy pants site of dickwads then so be it, the party is god after all.
No.160645
>>160643I don't wish to go outside because I have fun on the internet, unlike you apparently because you'd rather us all be forced off this amazing place and onto social media where you can post more of how much you love rolling in the mud.
No.160646
>>160643idk really how much legal resources the two have.
Hiroyuki is a Japanese tech celebrity for making some job search app.
KF is a group that gets blacklisted and skirts around various vague rules about what harassment is simply because they probably have political figures using it...
But what I'm pretty sure of is that the UK has no political backbone and are entirely dependent on the US to handle inflation so they will probably cave if someone in the government actually thinks the two are advantageous to the US. Otherwise, they'll probably just get ISP blocked and that's that.
No.160648
>>160645You are fucking delusional, huh.
1) I don't have any social media
2) I fucking hate the UK government and I don't want their ideas spreading to Europe when we already have enough issues with the EU attempting to ruin internet and turn it into another no dictatorship without the right to be anonymous.
3) I don't want the altchans to go away because of some fucking puritans, wherever they are located.
4) Kiwi Farms deserves to disappear and die.
5) Ban me from kissu? Nice, I will save money in monthly donations to fund the site.
No.160649
>>160648>4) Kiwi Farms deserves to disappear and die.That's 1/5 and yet you're willing to compromise all the other 4 if it means you attain that goal.
No.160650
kiwifarms is OK
No.160652
“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”
No.160654
I just.... don't care about kiwifarms
I don't think I've ever gone on it for more than about 2 minutes after seeing it linked in a thread and I don't think I've clicked links to it more than about 3 times
It just doesn't matter to me
I do want the UK government destroyed though
No.160655
>>160654Ok, that's a more reasonable opinion then. But you should prioritize that the UK Government being toppled takes precedent over something minor like Kiwifarms dying. I'd rather it die naturally from some hack or people getting over their desire for it rather than government law designed to censor the entirety of the internet winning and then wreaking god knows how much other havoc in the process.
No.160656
>>160591EU will do the same soon. The problem is actually that they're senpai who don't understand how the internet works, not even without any malicious intent. They gen genuinely want kids to keep away from bad stuff like SFW social media, and they think forcing age verification on literally every website is the only reasonable way to go.
No.160658
fear mongering
No.160659
>>160656So far, the only things they have achieved are making normies aware that VPNs exist, and kickstarting an arms race between age verification and methods to bypass said age verification.
The main problem so far in EU has been Chat Control, which would weaken encryption algorithm and let them scan everything in your phone or device and compare it with csam databases or directly use AI to interpret it. probably super fun if suddenly someone starts dumping CP on a blue board while you are browsing, depending on what the devices will scan (I doubt they will stop at just messages).
Spain proposed its own age verification system for adult sites, but it would only have applied to sites hosted in the country. For places hosted outside like Pornhub and the likes, the age verification would have been voluntary since it was beyond their legal reach. This makes even more bonkers that they are suing 4chan, at the other side of the ocean, rather than simply mandating the blockade on every ISP.
No.160660
>>160659The root of the problem is that they're somehow looking for the most intrusive technical solutions to deal with kids accessing shit they shouldn't. Nobody has the idea of treating smartphones like alcohol to get kids away from it (so if parents don't control their kids they commit a crime).
But maybe it doesn't matter. In the long run, every country will control their citizens internet use. If you think the USA won't, then you're a naive dumbfuck without a brain.
No.160661
>>160660>The root of the problem is that they're somehow looking for the most intrusive technical solutions to deal with kids accessing shit they shouldn't. Nobody has the idea of treating smartphones like alcohol to get kids away from it (so if parents don't control their kids they commit a crime).That's what I keep saying, that if you don't want a minor to see "bad stuff", the only option would be not letting them own a phone and having the family computer in the living room, like in the late 90s / early 2000s. And they would probably attempt to buy a printed porno mag, buy a second phone and keep it hidden, or trade the adult materials in pendrives, sneakernet style.
All this will achieve is a online surveillance state.
The UK could go "traditional parenting" and block overseas websites, instead of behaving like a fucking Karen and fucking things for the rest of the world. "Your website rots my children's brains and I am too lazy to control what they see, so I'm going to sue you instead".
>If you think the USA won't, then you're a naive dumbfuck without a brain.Given the kind of crowds the government hangs out with, they will probably will do something in the future, once they start running out of mexicans to chase.
No.160662
>>160661>Given the kind of crowds the government hangs out with, they will probably will do something in the future, once they start running out of mexicans to chase.Indeed. Their basic idea seems to be that they have to act more authoritarian to win against China. China always tried to be in full control of the internet, and it's working for them. The USA will think they will need to use the same methods if necessary. Currently, it doesn't seem to be necessary, because removing censorship in social media helps their side. But should the mood shift, or if China appears to successfully affect western social media, it will be worse than ever. Don't forget that most blocking and censorship is justified with removing porn, and combating porn is a stated goal of the current US administration.
The future looks grim.
No.160663
>>160661I was thinking of methods that you could sell to these congressmen and governments that they'd possibly accept in the case that they're not actually actively malicious and want to address the complete lack of guardrails for children on the net. One thought I've had that I think would be the most effective would be making a parental whitelist a default on new modems/routers, whichever it is I forget right now, and then having the parent/adult have to log in on their device to disable it for specific devices/the modem itself. This way it would put the power of what the child sees in the hands of the parents instead of the government which would probably sell better with parents themselves and also freedom rights people like me. The one critique would be it could be bypassed but every fucking method can be so it doesn't matter.
No.160664
>>160663The only thing you need is to lock down smartphones for children. For example you could smartphones, which are configured for children, make to allow installation of whitelisted apps only, and to make the browser send a special "this is a child's phone" header (basically tell the website's server that it has to age-restrict its content).
It's an extremely simple idea and very unintrusive.
No.160665
>>160664Yeah, that'd work too. In fact they already have those, but I doubt that anyone in congress has any idea about them in their rotted brains.
No.160666
>>160663That sounds like the old parental control filtering services that used to exist. And as you say, they were easy to bypass. You could either install it as a client software (the kids would end learning how to bypass it, or just use a live CD to boot another OS), or ask the ISP to enable it (probably could be bypassed by changing the DNS).
Even if a parental control at home worked, in the moment the kid goes outside, they connect to a public wireless, or a friend with unlimited access shares the internet connection with a hotspot... Shit, no wonder they always attempt to eliminate the source. Any block can be circunvented.
>>160664TBH, I like the idea. Same as a kid can't buy a motorbike until they reach a certain age, give them a restricted phone as if it was a bicycle... But that would mean that if I wanted to buy an adult phone, I would have to verify my age. Then they would still attempt to age-verify me to prove that I haven't sold the phone to a kid, or that the kid is not using their parents phone... And a kid with a restricted phone is a kid who is not spending money on fortnite cosmetics, being shoved ads and generating data to be collected and sold.
In the end, "protecting the children" is an excuse to shut down whatever they don't like and increase control over society. Sure, I'm not a fan of a kid going into pol, b or rotten.com and start watching real gore videos or AI degenerate porn as if it was a Bluey marathon (maybe they will grow up and get weird ideas), but if they wanted to protect them, they could do it without fucking the rest of us.
No.160667
>>160666If they want, they will find a way to bypass any access control. What should matter to politicians is whether the masses of kids on their phones can access "bad" sites or whether they actually need to put effort into bypassing such blocks. Much of what they talk about is when kids accidentally get confronted with such content.
There is no perfect control anyway, and if there was, it wouldn't work. I mean look at China, the government even seems to silently tolerate use of VPNs, because only a few experts use them and actually need them to work with foreign companies.
Now, IF politicians don't have any secret very dark authoritarian ideas about internet control, they SHOULD understand this if it got explained to them.
No.160668
>>160666>But that would mean that if I wanted to buy an adult phone, I would have to verify my ageAt the very least, in this case, it'd be like flashing your ID at the liquor store or getting by without doing so because you look old enough. Your ID isn't going on record or anything and you wouldn't be checked further on the device afterwards. I'd much prefer that to what they're trying to implement right now.
No.160669
>>160668You already need to do that in most european countries anyway.
No.160671
>>160668I guess that even if someone could sell an adult unlocked phone to a kid after buying it, it would be just a few kids having unlimited access vs all of them, so maybe it work.
>>160669Yep. If I bought a phone with cash instead of a credit card they would probably register my ID, be it for tax purposes or to make sure the money is not stolen since reselling smartphones makes a lot of moolah. And identification for buying a pre-paid card has been mandatory since the 2000s terror attacks with call activated bombs.
No.160684
The rules are more lax in happenings thread than elsewhere on kissu but you're still expected to have something of substance in your post other than targeted aggression towards someone and/or spouting a generic template phrase.
No.160699
>>160663you over-estimate the skills of (most) children
I couldn't even figure out how to mod minecraft until I was like 15 and I'm (mostly) a pretty smart guy
the "children" who do figure things out will be teenagers and real whiz kids who are gonna get around fucking anything to see titties.
encouraging parental controls has ALWAYS been the right answer, not enforcing changes to websites themselves.
No.160700
>>160699This. Websites should only provide metadata for parental controls. That's where their responsibility ends.
No.160705
>>160704Because this is a thread for imageboard happenings. What are we supposed to do? Read your link and then gossip like teen girls about him? "Ohh, did you see his haircut! Pshaw! That ain't it, girlfriend!"
No.160707
>>160705Can we talk about how he stole $10k from anons and sent around a bunch of people to ruin everything in the altchan webring in an attempt to push anons towards his crappy infinitynext clone?
No.160708
>>160707I'm not declaring things as a mod or anything, but in general a discussion with a person as the focus instead of an event or board has had terrible results in this thread. People would probably love to talk about 8chan or the webring again in general, though.
No.160721
>>160642I think it's better for KF to exist and it was better for us when 8chan existed.
I am severely not a fan of either, particularly KF's spermery. But shit sites should stay up as a lightning rod for controversy.
No.160726
>>160725
Why the fuck do you think this kiwifarm-esque shit that starts with a wojak and is full of twitter screenshots is an IMAGEBOARD HAPPENING?
Fuck off with this garbage.
No.160727
>>160726That post was kind of rude of me. Sorry.
Let me reiterate: this thread is for imageboard happenings/meta talk.
This is not the place for drama wars between wojak factions and info dumps of perceived internet enemies. No.160755
What is this webring that everyone keeps mentioning? Is that just 8chan history? I only ever used /bane/ and we had nothing to do with the rest of the site really.
No.160791
>>160755After the third shooting, when 8chan lost its hosting for a while and then came back as the not-quite-the-same 8kun, several of the people who had run boards there set up their own sites, and a bunch of them decided to link to each other and show a merged board list. Sites have come and gone; currently linking to each other are:
https://smuglo.li/https://tvch.moe/https://zzzchan.xyz/https://alogs.space/https://prolikewoah.com/https://trashchan.xyz/https://erischan.org/https://junkuchan.org/https://nukechan.net/ No.160794
>>160791Thank you, I had no idea about any of that. That's interesting. While we are on this, would you happen to know if baneposters ever found a new home I could get on board to? I forgot when exactly it was, I assume sometime around 2016 - 2018 or so, where the page suddenly lead to nothing, it said nothing. I found back to it just a few months ago and victory seems to have defeated it, apparently us who are initiated are now just raising the fire on our own wherever we are. It's very lonely and /tv/ just isn't worth it with the 99% of hothead content, I don't feel in charge on there, nor would I ever want to.
No.160797
>>160794Could you start a Bane thread on kissu?
No.160800
>>160797Funnily enough, there is one:
>>114318The reception seems good, however, there is no way of handling such flight plan without becoming /baneg/, which would eventually not just destroy Kissu's good will toward us, but also introduce the risk of becoming a namefag-like circlejerk with common posters. I have refrained from advertising Kissu for the /jp/ portion over at the Wreckage Brother for this very reason and instead opted to sprinkle a little bit of scholarliness here and there where it doesn't burn anyone and comes in relation to Kissu-focused media.
As a side note, I believe we don't clash as hard because Baneposting and the autistic obsession over what is essentially just a onedimensional joke is very close to Japanese VIP-quality kusoposting in spirit, like Reimu Sit. I would hate for that relationship to get damaged by outstaying our welcome.
No.160829
crying for hima
No.160848
>>160794A lot of boards ended up on the webring when 8chan died. We only got a few hours notice that it was going offline. One site in the webring gathered a lot of boards but it causes issues because so many outside websites run by various people (/v/'s mod, kiwifarms admin, and another I've forgotten) spent all their time ddos'ing and spamming boards in the webring in the hopes of pushing anons into their sites. The /v/ admin tried to force everyone back to 8kun at one point. But it was terrible so he finally went back to running his own site with that known federal agent. Meanwhile, Josh's site spammed everyone only to die somehow in the end.
Long story short they ruined the webring's momentum and it pretty much died. There was also a lot of in-fighting within the ring itself. /tv/ in particular decided to go on a crusade again anime and lolis. Going so far as to report the loli boards to some of the hosting providers. Which spooked the admin of the main site where most of the boards ended up. So he kicked them all out on short notice.
Then several other sites within the webring got reported to hosting providers and ddos'ed. Someone didn't want another 8chan popping up and they did a good job of killing the momentum the webring had. Most people got tired of the constant drama and left forever.
I don't know where most anons ended up. I'd say most of them gave up forever and are no longer using imageboards at all. My home board is gone too.
No.160851
>>160848>I don't know where most anons ended up.I for one ended up here. Kissu is my new haunt.
No.160895
https://desuarchive.org/a/post/281871064A post like this get removed literally a minute after reporting it.
But all the schizo shitposting by ban evading spammers and mentally ill rabid fucks? Nope.
No.160896
>>160895I hope you weren't the one to report it >_>
No.160960
You can tell 4chan is dying. Threads stay up for days with few replies on boards where they used to die in hours even when they were active. Most of the posters that are on the boards I (used to) use have zero knowledge about the topics and mostly post nothing but rage bait. It must be bleeding users.
No.160976
>>160895only a total faggot would report that post
No.160977
>>160976They always get reported almost instantly these days and quickly deleted.
>No racism outside of /b/is one of the most abused rules to purge content the mods and people that took the place over a few years ago dislike. They usually do IP wipes over minor things like that. I've seen entire threads cleaned out over things like that. They nuke people over the most minor "racism" infractions. No banter is allowed anymore. This and being anti-fag are probably the most common things people get banned for now.
I'm surprised the word faggot is still allowed at all.
No.160988
>>160977They're cleaning out the election tourists, which is a good thing.
No.160989
>>160988>They're cleaning out the election tourists, which is a good thing.Is it? By their fruits....
No.161010
8kun is really hard to look at now. My god how does a site as big as 8chan become like that? There's literally no one left
And 420chan is still linking to leftypol, god damn
No.161012
>>161010When you're retarded and enforce that only specific inane topics are allowed, that's what happens.
No.161013
>>160976Total faggot reporting in. Trust me, even I would not.
No.161017
>>161010>My god how does a site as big as 8chan become like that?It becomes like that when its mismanaged by malicious retards (Hotwheels/Jim/Josh) and becomes the target of governments/corporations. The retards previously mentioned destroy everything they touch, and right now in fact Josh somehow wormed his way into litigation with 4chan against the UK's Ofcom. If you know anything about him you'll know he's a lolcow himself (If you believe in that) and has been a lying attention whore nuisance on the web since the 2000s. Hotwheels and Jim don't have the same resources and following as him and as such have pretty much simmered out.
No.161018
>>4165Does anyone have those imageboard catalogue sites, that list all of them, there was one that showed various IBs (and one forum i think?) with a short description, not allchans btw.
No.161021
>>161017>If you know anything about him you'll know he's a lolcow himself heres a classic ED article that should give a nice explanation about Josh, ttps://edramatica.com/Null as for Hotwheels, didn't he decide to buy out 420chan? h
No.161023
>>160704>>161021I guess we skipped over that, huh?
No.161024
They HAVE to know about the dramatica article about NULL that NO ONE knows about
No.161025
>>161024ED's stopped being mainstream tbh, I bet most people forgot it exists
No.161026
>>161025I just read it as erectile dysfunction.
No.161027
>>161025It's just that I've know about everything an outsider could know about 8chan's downward spiral that anyone could.
So seeing it posted every so often like it's breaking news is tiring.
But I guess people need the introductory material and I shouldn't gatekeep...
My more worthy ambition is to say that KF shouldn't exist as a site while permitting content that is not based around "documenting" random people without their consent...
No.161029
>>161027Well KF destroyed every board that was doing the same thing for the crime of documenting the day-to-day life of their beloved owner. KF itself is useless if you care about following lolcows because every thread is 2,000+ pages of novels posted by lolcows.
No.161030
>>161024>They HAVE to know about the dramatica article about NULL that NO ONE knows aboutI remember seeing it posted on a random thread on 4chan and everyone in that thread started freaking the fuck out over that pedophile screenshot as if it was some breaking news to them.
No.161032
Does KF stalk any 4chan schizos at all?
No.161035
>>160652Meaningless because the worst scoundrels ARE the ones in power who write these oppressive laws.
I don't think it takes beeg brain to realize the hypocrisy of kneejerk witch hunts against websites only suspected of breaking vaguely written CSAM laws in the name of morality while Epstein and Dutroux and their clientele can torture actual children on an industrial scale with only token acknowledgement.
Freedom is just freedom. If you can't help but be a retard when you're free that's your problem.
It's like blaming the devil for your bad behavior. "The DEVIL made me do it!!!!"
"The FREEDOM made me do it!!!!"
No.161046
>>160577/jp/ has always been a lost cause.
No.161049
>>160661You do know how CRAZY it sounds to just ask a parent to take care of their fucking children? "YOU DON'T TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY CHILD!" and then they proceed to "AIEEEEEEE DADDY GOVERNMENT PLEASE RAPE ME WITH RETARDED LEGISLATION TO PROTECT MY CHILDREN I DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT!"
No.161056
Damn kissu/hap/ revved up, i can barely keep up
>>161024>>160704Doens't pass my personal for "cite your fucking sources". IRC logs without a timestamp?.
>>161017Josh talks out his ass way too much for my liking, and he's very much a rightist activist that doesn't even have the balls to admit he uses the 'ol freedom of speech absolutism as smoke and mirrors to push for the red side.
>It becomes like that when its mismanaged by malicious retards (Hotwheels/Jim/Josh) One of these days someone is gotta have to write a 8ch story article. One that isn't just "here's a list of my favourite gangstalking conspiracies" and actually pays attention to what communities and cliques were dominant in 8ch and how they perceived themselves.
>>161032The 4chan thread but good luck reading more than 3 posts (there or anywhere else) without wanting to be yourself. Use keyword searches only. The "community" side of KF is the most god-awful shit I've ever read. Not 4/pol/, not even 8/pol/, got as schizophrenic as KF is today.
>>161049so true it hurts
No.161057
>>160848Real internet warfare shitte, right there. Reminds me of /i/nsurgency stories.
No.161063
>>160561>irrelevant topic>the newspeakification of language is a irrelevant topic.How about the fact that a thread like that should be instantly deleted? How about the fact that its a fucking abomination that the thread reached over 400 replies? Fuck off with this "they" newspeak bullshit.
>b-but shakespeareBe yourself.
>>160570>just stop noticingHow about no? Im not going to let some fucking faggot shit up my place. You might not have the same respect for imageboards that i have but this is my fucking home.
>>160579>It wasn't an issue before the world went retarded 10 years agoOh wow well its almost like next to nobody used it like that back then and only recently it has been forced by the subhumans of this world. You know the group im talking about. Faggots,trannies etc. And enough about this revisionism about how it was normally used. No. I was alive back then so you cant trick me faggot. Unkown gender? You use "he". Simple as that and that was the normal thing to do. You cannot rewrite history for people old enough to have experienced it. It might work for young people but your little revisionist scheme doesnt work on people like me.
>>160580>or one person. It's a catch-all. No this isnt true. Its plural. Not one person. Not singular.
>every native speaker does it.No not really
>>160584>so retarded use of 'they' isn't really an issueIt is an issue. A big one at that. The bastardization of a language isnt a big issue? The newspeak isnt a issue?
>They is the plural but it can also be the singularNo it cannot be singular. Stop trying to force it.
No.161065
>>161063That's great, how is any of that an imageboard happening.
No.161075
Well, I guess we've found the person that derailed that /a/ thread.
No.161077
>>160561If we're being honest /a/ is consistently one of the most sensitive boards across imageboards. People are going to stir shit just to stir shit because it will inevitably get some 4chan "muh pol/tourists/teens/newfags" purist bitching for the entire duration of the thread.
Its not like this is anything new, either. I wouldn't say its better now, just different. At least there aren't as many cancerous tripfags/identities anymore vying for attention and drama, just bots.
No.161078
>>161077I just wish /a/ didn't have so many fucking generals
No.161079
Should twitter threads really be bannable?
No.161084
>>161079Absolutely, also, make the posting of any non official accounts bannable, I don't care about randomliteralnobodywho
420_69, the most that should be allowed are verifiable announcements.
No.161085
>>161079Yes. It's only acceptable if some company is making an official statement about an anime or manga (in the case of /a/), not about some literal who retard spewing the most dumb fucking opinion known to man.
No.161086
>>161085I'd just like to get rid of the P*r#t N%t*0n spamming nigger shill.
No.161087
>>161079Yes, it's shit and only for stirring trouble.
No.161092
>>161046The day moot saw a vibrant Nijiura-esque community on /a/ and decided to ironically declare -that- is what doesn't belong on his Japanese inspired imageboard, it was over.
/jp/ is ontologically a mistake.
Oh no, weebs on the weeb site! Deliver us!
No.161093
Kagurabachi threads are the fastest in /a/ now despite not being a general. It only has threads for leaks and official chapter dumps, which usually reach +700 posts in less than 4 hours.
Users voluntarily agreed that having less threads is good, threads in the middle of the week are considered "falseflags" and saged accordingly. It's literally the only shounenshit thread fighting against general faggotry. It was a /dbs/ tier general at one point, no wonder nobody wants to go back to that.
No.161107
>>161079yeah
if xitternigger70 has such an interesting opinion feel free to paraphrase him in your post. you don't need to actually post a screenshot of him. you don't even need to mention that it's his xopinion.
No.161115
>>161092>on his Japanese inspired imageboard,moot and the raspberry heaven grunts he hanged out with never cared for 2D culture. They didn't hold it in contempt, it just didn't register as special or standout. 2chan to them was Jap TV, weird photos, original content and shitposts all remixed into funny jokes. That his friends and the RH gang were mostly composed of otakus (fuck, MVB, shii and a lot of old guard contributed to running Studio ADTRW) was just a minor detail, specially against their intent with 4chan.
They didn't want /a/ to be an otaku board. They wanted /a/ to discuss
the most godawful early 00s moeshit and azumanga daioh without getting swamped by shonen plebs or cringey glompers. You can go check the .net archive and see moot explicitly says he wants /a/ to be super nazi.
>weebs on the weeb site!2000s touhoufags were like 90% the reason /jp/ was created and i'm pretty calling those "nijiura" would have gotten you stoned to death in sharia court back in 2chan.
No.161117
Has anyone had their threads instantly deleted before on 4chan? It's happened to me twice in a row now. So fast that it doesnt even show up on any archive. And i even received a custom warning message from the mods for my first thread.
No.161118
>>161117Yes certain keywords cause that. I've also seen threads that did manage to stay up for 10-15 minutes not end up in archives. Now that you've trigger it a couple of times you'll be watched more closely. Enjoy your extra attention.
No.161124
>>161115>On second thought, maybe a Japan/General board is in order. Japan was originally supposed to be culture/language board. I guess we might be able to make /jp/ to offload all of the misc. Japanese crap from other boards. >Japanese crap from other boards. Oh noes!
Anyhow I think this post is what I was vaguely remembering, straight from the horses mouth.
No.161130
>>161117What was it about? Also
>>161118 No.161131
When did you realize that 4chan mods act like schizos, except with power?
No.161134
>>161131Like around 10 years ago.
No.161140
>>161124>Japanese crap from other boards. which was
>2hus>ronery threads>vnsand i don't remember if jap sex toys were a thing before jp.
Nijiura stuff doesn't get revered until the mid 2010s. /jp/ was a different beast that didn't distinguish between 2D and 3D at all (in contrast 4chan's first interaction with 2chan was nijiura boards staging a protest exodus to /c/ because karirin forgot to delete a couple 3D threads).
No.161144
>>161140You left out figures not being welcome at the time in /a/.
The 3d stuff wasn't really a thing in pre-split /a/ where the biggest controversies I can recall at all, since you bring up /c/, was routinely trying to banish moeshit there on the grounds 'they're just dump threads'. I don't remember moe being top down embraced by the staff culture at all at least narrowly where /a/ was involved.
No.161146
>>161127I'm guessing that board has a strong presence on social media to grow so rapidly? Or where did it pull people from?
Other imageboards would desperately want to know its secret for sure.
No.161147
>>161144No mentions of shonens being insta ban with no explanation? /a/ was extremely over moderated early on.
4chan from 2003 to 2008 must be seen with a different set of standards than the rest of the site's history. It was very much controlled by moot's clique and their personal interests took prevalence above all. mootocracy et al.
Onwards sees people start to fight back with the concept of board culture (aka "every board has their own set of in-jokes and needs space for their own off-topic threads) and mods make the decision to be more hands-off, at least until mood reforms the site in 2013 and starts the slow process of killing all board culture.
No.161149
>>161147>4chan from 2003 to 2008 must be seen with a different set of standards than the rest of the site's history. It was very much controlled by moot's clique and their personal interests took prevalence above all. mootocracy et al.Just continuing a proud tradition started on SA. Don't forget to send the 10bux
No.161161
>>161146Vocaloid... There's nothing much to it.
No.161166
>>161146speaking as a frequent user, we do not have any secret really lmao we're just all really autistic about vocaloid and that seems to reel people in
No.161169
>>161093>It's literally the only shounenshit thread fighting against general faggotryBachifags didn't fight against generalfaggotry, they forced WSJ threads originally made twice a week to discuss leaks and new chapters to be 24/7 dumping grounds full of ritualposting, schizo falseflaggers and miscelaneous spam originated from Kagurabachi threads. You can open a WSJ thread at any time and find tons of low-quality posts about kagurabachi and fights with other manga that are never deleted.
>It was a /dbs/ tier general at one pointBecause many bachifags are /dbs/ rejects that aped the worst memes and behavior of dragonspics and chainsawfags and adapted it for their threads. 4chan's Kagurabachi fans are like children copying "gangsta rappers", they're pure cancer.
No.161170
I wonder how much you have to pay hiroyuki to get 24/7 mod protected generals.
No.161174
>>161078I think generals are a net positive for imageboard organization. It's difficult to fathom something as popular and diverse as anime being able to thrive without that structure.
No.161176
>>161174It also has the benefit of preventing the popular series from clogging up the rest of the board, by containing most of the discussion to a single thread for each. It's not the only possible solution, of course, but simply getting rid of the generals would almost certainly not be beneficial.
No.161184
>>161130It was a thread shitting on valve and steam.
No.161186
I think it's been mentioned here before, but generals serve as natural insulation against the torrent of '(thing) is SHIT and you're a FAGGOT if you disagree' type of posters that exist for literally everything these days. If you want to kill off generals for good, you're going to have to address that first if you want it to have a positive effect.
Actually, come to think of it, why do they protect so well against that? I suppose it's because even the bog standard asshole recognizes that a general isn't going to be receptive to their messaging, and the wilier assholes realize that an attempt to cultivate an illusion of popular disdain for a subject in an already established and active thread about said subject would be unconvincing. That still leaves the well and truly deranged, of course (and those types do post in generals), but they are far less common.
No.161209
>>161207Damn, only 44. Guess it's just a reminder to everyone to get preventative cancer screenings.
No.161211
>>161079lol there's a twitter thread on /v/ that has a post that has 2 likes and 87 views LOL
This shit needs to go lol
No.161213
>>161211I haven't browsed /v/ in forever but do
LOL threads still exist?
No.161214
>>161213Sometimes, they're increasingly less and less common as the board is filled with abysmal dogshit twitter/reddit/eceleb/culturewar threads. I haven't frequented that place in a long time either though.
No.161215
>>4165I got beaned off 4chins and I can't get past the cloudflare bullshit even with ubo off, looks like kissu is my new home.
No.161235
>>161161>>161166>>161221My hope is that 39chan can at least introduce more people into imageboard culture that they might become frequent users somewhere else later on.
No.161245
So someone can just promote their YouTube channels with barely anything to do with otaku culture and they're allowed to stay to the point of getting archived? Thank you mods, very cool.
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/49957569 No.161246
>>161245Should have posted "go back to /vt/" if you wanted to summon a janitor.
No.161258
>>161235A lot of them are already jaypees who moved there because of how bad the Vocaloid threads have become there. To give you an idea at the beginning of this year there was a ban-evading ESL spammer posting CP every time someone criticized Teto and the jannies would take hours deleting it.
No.161260
>>161259They just copied what I did for kissu when it was announced! I should sue.
Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.
No.161269
>>161235i mean, the site has /jp/ roots
No.161271
>>161245I'm surprised those guys are still around, I thought they had died off like maybe a long time ago
No.161273
>>161260>Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.philistines
No.161274
>>161260>Well, without the autoplay sound since people seem to hate that.It's fun buy highly annoying because any time auto-play sound is added to a board I lurk I always see it at the worse possible time. Last time it happened I was lurking late at night in bed on laptop and had forgotten the volume was turned up high from listening to music a few hours prior. Ended up waking everyone up in the house (still had house mates back then) and in the morning I had to explain what I was doing in bed and why it involved a sexually excited loli.
>>161271>>161245Self promotion of youtube channels are rampant on every board since a few years ago. They've all figured out how to get away with it too. Instead of posting one thread asking people to check out their content they pretend to be trolling themselves and/or the users of the board. There is some fat 3DPD doing it on /g/ every week now. Trying to meme herself into the new "Queen of /g/" hoping to be added to the sticky next to Satania.
Speaking of /g/, I lurked it against my better judgement over the past week and it's DEAD. Threads are staying up for days now with few replies. The handful of threads I've found with actual people in them only occur between 2-5am EST. Around 5pm the bots, shills and people posting the same bait over and over again show up.
The only thread on the board that has real people in it outside of those hours seems to be the lisp general. As much as I hate general threads that one actually has people in it doing /tech/ stuff and helping each other.
Everything else is basically product shilling or the same daily bait like C vs. Rust and legions of replies calling anyone schizo that posts anything even vaguely outside of the new enforced norms of discussion (e.g. Anything to do with Linux that doesn't praise systemd/pipewire/wayland, anything trying to improve the experience on Windows or encouraging people not to update to 11, anything that isn't pro-Apple, anything that mentions stuff like Snowden leaks/backdoors in software/hardware, or any one attempting to talk about non-x86/ARM hardware or lesser known OSs).
No.161275
>>161245One thing I forgot to say about youtubers (and other social media whores) shilling themselves. Back before 8ch got shut down there was the /cow/ board which was very active back then and wasn't just one crappy general thread.
I don't have archives of this so you'll have to take my word for it. But when the whole "internet bloodsports" BS was happening and they were making huge money off super chats everyday the 15-20 streamers profiting off of it got caught participating in that thread. They all got baited into clicking a link that exposed their dox. The board had IDs and the thread was a cyclical those never changed if you didn't switch your own IP address. So anons got to go back weeks/months and find every post they'd made.
They were all attempting to use the board as their personal army along with promoting themselves. Pretending to be anons and hosting re-streams on non-youtube platforms where they were raking in donations there too on the side by pretending to hate/troll themselves. Ethan Ralph or whatever his name is had a lackey that was posting in that thread hundreds of times daily. Pretending to be multiple people from multiple IP addresses. Trying to damage control and steer anons into ignoring certain information and sliding off blame on streamers that were using the same time slot as they were. Later on it was discovered through a discord server leak that 5 of them had agreed not to use each other timeslots for streaming. That way they could stream all day and rake in superchats while pretending to be beefing with each other on youtube. Then they were sharing the profits among their group.
This was also how I discovered all these streamers are operating as 501(c) charity organizations.
He was mentioned before ITT but the Kiwifarms owner was also sending a personal army to shit up that board constantly with sliding attempts and pizza spam. Once he started streaming on youtube he started participating in that general too. They were hell bent on destroying /cow/ because it was the main competition to kiwifarms and they didn't like it because they couldn't censor discussion about lolcows they say aren't really lolcows (like Ralph and Josh). They tried to slide their own pasts posted on the board within their threads (and their dox plus other information about how they were not paying taxes on donations and the amounts they were making which was into the thousands weekly).
It was really interesting lurking that board. I hated what it became during this era though. Hence why all this crap was in a cyclical general thread. It was an attempt to contain that cancer because it was ruining the rest of the board and sliding years old threads about actual lolcows and lolcow history off the catalog.
When /cow/ moved to the webring and set-up their own imageboard all of these people followed and got outed again for what they were doing. /cow/'s node took in A LOT of boards that needed a home and it was the best hope of holding the old 8ch boards together. In that crucial period Josh's group who had opened their own new imageboard hoping to attract users spent tons of effort ruining /cow/'s node. They did every dirty trick in the book. Pizza spam nightly. Spamming boards with content the anons on it hated then blaming it on /cow/ or another board. Raising hell in the /meta/ board about how we needed rule changes to disallow anime/lolis/misc. content because it would ruin the place and the spammers were constantly posting it. Then applying for moderation positions. Claimed the rule the node had on admins not interfering with how board owners moderated their own boards was bad. Claimed the hard line global rule on free speech just don't post anything illegal under US law would lead to the death of the place. One managed to sneak into the moderator team and then pissed off every last board by going on a deletion spree when he knew all the other admins and mods were asleep. The admins had to restore multiple boards from backups. On and the good old spamming pizza from tor and all popular VPNs then turning around and claiming the admins were feds for having to temp. ban them to stop the spam gambit.
Hence why I really dislike Josh. Even if he hadn't scammed 8ch anons out of all that money and ruined any chance of improvements within the imageboard engines source code despite multiple good programmers offering to do it for free. Will never understand why Jim Watkins and the cripple hired that guy. Of course I dislike both of them too now. Jim Watkins has ruined both the English and Japanese imageboards over the years. Dude is squatting on an entire IP4 block. Really shady guy. Pretty sure he's a glow nigger or on their pay roll. Especially after I watched him testify in front of the US Congress after one of the shootings with a Q pin on his lapel then turning around and re-launching under the 8kun name while allowing Q-tards to take over and all the "technical errors" the place has and still suffers from last I checked.
Seeing 8ch die and all those small active boards go along with it was really heart breaking. I was pretty addicted to the place and a lot of the hidden and other small boards. Really good discussion was happening. Reminded me so much of pre-2010s web forums. Tons of those boards and the high quality posters that were using them are lost forever and no archives exist of them. If I'd know 8ch was going to die on such short notice I would have archived as much as possible. I really miss the board for arcade owners where new arcade games were being dumped constantly.
Of course, place was a hit of a honeypot too. A lot of people forget about the Sunshine leaks and how they were logging information about users long term just in case they needed to send it off to the Feds.
No.161276
>>161275Long long post but I need to add one more thing. When all those people got outed on that /cow/ thread it was discovered that in addition to the streamers there were multiple youtube moderators also lurking. I'm not exactly sure what those people are called. But it was the people that could get channels unbanned after they were banned/limited due to strikes.
They had been lurking that thread for months so they could get ahead of the strike system and make sure their favored political streamers weren't getting banned by the automated system.
It also came out that there was a private discord server where those people and most famous streamers from 2015-2019 era were all chatting together. It was where they organize their talking points for the coming days/week and get instructions from the "PR guys" on what they could and couldn't say.
If you look around the webring maybe you can find archives of all this stuff.
There was also a thread posted at one point where there was an "altchan federation" discord server leak. That included hours of voice chat recordings and the entire text log. The server consisted of several admins running alt-chans that were conspiring to drive traffic to their own boards by spamming other smaller ones with pizza and shilling themselves on 4chan and other social media websites. I think the admins from /cow/'s node got invited in then they spent a week recording everything then dumped it all.
Last I checked the thread had been slid off the board it was on. But maybe it's in archives. When that thread was posted it was instantly spammed with bots and the pizza spam was off the charts. Made a lot of people angry.
No.161310
I wonder why 8chan never had an archive. For the size of it you would think it would have one.
There was an official one in 2015-2016 but it barely lasted for a month before they took it down. Dudwheels even made a few posts mentioning it on the 8twitter.
>>161260I wouldn't be surprised if the 4chan administration is lurking here. More often than not the scummiest are the ones trying to "control the narrative" and "spy on potential threats".
No.161311
>>161147>every board has their own set of in-jokes and needs space for their own off-topic threadsThese were the best. I miss discussing random shit with people whose interests and personalities aligned with mine. Nowadays out of media boards only those that aren't infested with generals like /v/ and /tv/ get to have such threads. Jay has suffered the most from this I think.
No.161312
>>161310I don't think they care about Kissu but they do actively remove posts mentioning 8chan to this day which is fucking pathetic.
No.161316
>>161310Most boards are so fucking dead, threads from years ago are still live.
No.161318
>>160639hamsters give me anxiety. one moment they stare you down as if with contempt, the next moment they die for no reason whatsoever as if you paying attention is the fault behind this
No.161319
>>161221I wanted to say "well then where's a robot wife of one" but then I recalled the Adachi Rei WIP
No.161328
>>161245/jp/ I love you, but you're bringing me down...
>>161319>WIPIt was finished 8 months ago. The same guy also did a Miku robot years before Rei.
No.161342
>>161275So you 100% believe "esther" was Josh's imageboard cabal? The webring war has been discussed by many in this thread, including admins directly involved. Your claim is new afaik and I'd very much like to see where you got that idea from.
>>161276>It also came out that there was a private discord server where those people and most famous streamers from 2015-2019 era were all chatting together. It was where they organize their talking points for the coming days/week and get instructions from the "PR guys" on what they could and couldn't say.Those posts never got screenshotted?
>There was also a thread posted at one point where there was an "altchan federation" discord server leak. That included hours of voice chat recordings and the entire text log. The server consisted of several admins running alt-chans that were conspiring to drive traffic to their own boards by spamming other smaller ones with pizza and shilling themselves on 4chan and other social media websites. I think the admins from /cow/'s node got invited in then they spent a week recording everything then dumped it all.Bro what the fuck. Name your sources right the fuck now.
>>161310It had. It was deliberately gutted and obfuscated when they realized they were likely being fedded.
No.161346
>>161276>>161342The links to the "Alt Chan Federation" stuff are still in the archive here. >>9474
https://mega.nz/folder/qNwmmIrI#HwPnIVBGVzVMqQpgXtmpTQIt's about 13 hours of people discussing promoting their imageboards in some of the gayest ways you could imagine.
No.161348
>95% of posts are about image boards that cover 0.1% of all image board users
No.161354
>>161348who quote greener
No.161355
>>161348if we are going to find out this concerns you in a negative light for you, would we be surprised?
No.161356
>>161346That link leads to three empty folders.
No.161358
>>161348Well, post your happenings then
No.161372
>>161371
No, the site spammed ads everywhere is not a happening.
No.161423
>>161356My bad. Not sure why it was removed, but here are the parts I have saved:
Day 1
AltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 1.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/g5d9sgk.webmAltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 2.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/wlh661cw.webmAltChanFederation - Day 1 Part 3.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/o1cxqutm.webmTimestamps.txt
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/375q0zop.txtDay 2
AltChanFederation - Day 2 Part 2.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/zwhpuqxr.webmAltChanFederation - Day 2 Part 3.webm
https://pomf2.lain.la/f/9njw1dtw.webm No.161425
>>161423Do any of these include that loser admin that went on for hours about his religious beliefs that were tied to entry level 2016 era /pol/ trolling? I can't remember what all he said now but it was funny. Something about black people and yellow people being able to reincarnate as white people if they passed some shit test. It was amazing.
>>161423>Not sure why it was removedMy guess would be someone managed to get it taken down through DMCA or something considering how flooded that thread was the moment it was posted.
No.161455
>>161423It's a cabal alright but I very much doubt these guys spammed pizza.
No.161458
>>161425I haven't watched everything, but on Day 2 he goes on about reptilians, harpies, and mermaids.
>>161455I doubt it also. Probably just
>>161276's memory embellishing things. They did talk about undermining other boards with manufactured drama.
No.161459
>>158152He was that well-known?
No.161465
>>161464That's really cool! May want to purge some of the dead/inactive boards, though. 4taba is read-only and hasn't 1chan been dead for years now?
No.161472
>>161464>As an example, I want to replace the TTS voice with people recording a sample of their own voice saying the name of the board that they frequently browse / used to browse, although this features 93 different boards which might be difficult to make come to fruition.That sounds kind of like a cool idea.
No.161478
>>161464Is the toilet flushing SFX during Kissu a reference to Verniy?
No.161479
>>161478It's just the 'pissu' thing I'm sure...
No.161484
>>161169Gottem.
I'm now closer to the truth over why you're so obsessed.
No.161485
HABBENING: 4chan accepts new janny applications!
So if you're a schizo who needs more control, apply now!
No.161487
>>161485Is anyone seriously going to apply after the whole staff got doxxed just 5 months ago?
No.161488
>>161487implying people who want to be janitors have anything left to lose
No.161489
>>161487best to time apply is after vulns got fixed and measures implemented.
No.161495
>>161487Of course. Schizos don't act rationally.
No.161498
>>161490Are you really ok with disclosing your full name, address and face to complete strangers that are known for being spiteful towards users and janitors alike, right after the site suffered a massive data breach that gave kiwi/soy tards enough info to dox various janitors?
No.161501
>>161498I am in fact really ok with giving a fake name and generic address and couldn't care less if RapeApe swoons at my dashing good looks. The rest doesn't affect me.
If I could verify a fucking mail that is.
No.161520
>>161464what ever happened to 164, the /sc2/ - star craft 2 general, that got banned from /vg/? Is their stie still around?
No.161523
>>161498Yes, the government has already fucked me in the ass far harder. I don't care. I also don't really care if I get contacted for going further with the interview either.
I'm a fucking nobody and there is no professional life to ruin from cancelling, but if some internet schizo comes to my door depending on how unhinged they seem and how they smell and my specific mood that day I may invite them for beer or I might shoot them in the face.
No.161524
>>161522right it's 162
thanks anon
No.161539
>>161532>shitapeEvery time.
No.161544
>>161522hima's red haired stepchild
No.161545
>>161532funny how /vr/'s janny got away with nannying /doom/ for years
No.161549
>>161544Yeah that place was collaborating evidence in the 4/qa/ theory of universal general collapse. All generals eventually undergo the great hima-fication process during a spiritual death that can precede the physical death by years. It's part of the natural lifecycle. Nature is cruel, but efficient.
No.161551
>>161549wasn't sc2 actually taken over by himaposters
No.161552
>>161547>10 threads per minuteChrist what a shithole.
No.161595
>>161550why do we have a /pol/ thread?
No.161597
>>161485I'd rather apply for CIA or FBI and GET PAID fo control 4chan.
No.161598
>>161547The only important thing I know is that multiple witches were hired in August to hex him. Didn't know I could GET PAID for doing magic
No.161600
>>161598>Didn't know I could GET PAID for doing magicmeme magic is not real magic
No.161603
>>161600I agree but also disagree and you're not being a good constructive anon also
No.161607
>>161587
It's just good old hypocrisy and double standards. They're fully aware of it (at least the grifters on the top, maybe not the NPCs), but they think it's justified because their opponents are the same. All while they're actually worse. They previously loathed the "establishment", now they're opening their asses to the new establishment. Yep, they're whores.
No.161615
non-happening posts are going to be deleted
No.161626
>>161607Reminds me of why I hate nu/v/ and left around 2015 they basically just became worse mirrored caricatures of the SJWs they oppose. BTW seriously miffed how nu/v/ has moved into 4/jp/ now and are just immediately bringing /pol/itics into discussions
No.161649
So many boards are dead as a fucking doornail. I miss /fa/
No.161652
Non-happening political posting has been deleted from the thread.
No.161662
>>161652You forgot a post, but I don't mind because it's mine.
Anyway, talking about the state of certain boards and its inhabitants should be allowed, even if it's /pol/.
No.161664
>>161662if people keep going out of that topic then it's one that's going to require constant moderation. And topics that require constant moderation end up creating side effect problems
No.161752
>>161741lazy german is lazy. he already pointed out the problem, he can't ass himself to do it.
independent scrappers have corroborated that activity on 4chan is already at pre hack levels, people need to stop the fantasizing.
No.161754
>>161752>independent scrappers have corroborated that activity on 4chan is already at pre hack levelsNo way. It's way down.
No.161770
>>161741The owner is rewriting the entire site from scratch after the hack and /qa/'s deletion broke parts of it (mainly the graph). I think he mentioned something about changing how activity was measured, but I'm too lazy to browse archives to find his posts.
No.161849
>>161848>You need only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.Famous last words.
No.161850
>>161848Exodus where? I'm not going to 8cuties.
No.161851
>>161849Unironically quoting a suicidal artist is a crime that should be met with forced revocation of their NEET card
No.161852
>>161850Everyone's coming to kissu I hear!
No.161853
>>161852I wish we had more people to come here, it's comfy.
No.161854
>>161853I started frequenting after the big hack but it's the only imageboard I use anymore. I really like it here.
No.161855
4taba will triumph over everyone in the end
No.161856
>>161852It was shit during the downtime, I only stayed here for this metathread.
No.161857
>>161848>Seems frustration with the site is global now and it keeps growing./jp/ has been frustrated with the site since time immemorial and yet most of them returned to very same site after it went back online only to continue complaining about the state of the board again.
I don't really get it, they can post the exact same threads here and not worry about /v/hu shitposting and vtumor spam and needing to filter out all the 3DPD which is like, what, 1/3 of the board now?
No.161858
>>161857As far as I go, I still use both but flipped the time spent on each. Here a lot more than there.
But yeah, things are pretty grim over there.
No.161887
>>161127He just casually showed up again to ask for merch ideas and left lol
>>161848/jp/fag here. People here seem to be fed up with what the mods allow and ban. A couple of them have moved to other sites already (Kissu being one of the main ones it seems). How bad is it on the other boards? I don't browse /v/ at all for example.
No.161904
>>161857The frustration is at a boil now, I haven't gone back to 4/jp/ in a while, I checked yesterday and I would say its half garbage and half threads not worth looking at anymore. The character threads are pretty much dead since they devolve into kuso /v/hu memes or it has like 2 pity posts.
>>161887I am gonna stay here since having /a/ and /jp/ comfortably together, along with /tech/ and a well regulated /v/ feels alot better to post in than the current state of 4chan.
No.161907
>>161857Ever since the hack, I've significantly reduced my 4chins posting and at this point I post more in Kissu than in /jp/ or /a/. RapeApe should be dragged across the street naked for what he's doing to the site, but I also recognize that at this point it's beyond any repair or salvation.
On the bright side, those who move to other imageboards and altchans like Kissu, Hikari, Wapchan, 39chan, etc, will be actual anons rather than plebbitfags and twittertards who want to treat them like absolutely low quality dogshit garbage dump venting sites without getting their reddit/twitter account banned.
No.161912
>>161848you are confusing the shrinking, decaying forest known as "chanverse" for 4chan lonely tree.
Registration-less Imageboards always nucleated towards a single site. Nothing would change except a single megasite remplazing 4chan
No.161914
>>161912I kind of prefer the decentralized nature of the /jp/ & /a/ spinoffs. Sure, it might be cool to have a more formal way to view all the different boards together from kissu, wapchan, hikari3, 39chan, and others, but I like that all the sites despite having similar topics have their own cultures as well.
No.161916
>>161915I tried lurking around on /g/ the last week and posted a handful of times. I'm pretty convinced there isn't anyone real on the board anymore. I knew it was already horrible 10-12 years ago which is why so many migrated out to /tech/ back then. I know even 3 years ago there were a handful of real people left that got forced back when the /tech/ offshoots all died off or either got intolerable after /tech/ was taken over by that small group of polish posters.
Anyway, /g/ is pretty obviously comprised of a few paid shills, blatant advertising threads and a handful of people posting the same bait on repeat. They don't even bother to try to hide it anymore. Many using tripcodes and names while making the same threads everyday and keeping them bumped. Which isn't hard considering the pph of the board has plummeted even compared to this time last year. There are currently multiple threads I've had loaded into background tabs for almost a week now that have barely 100 posts in them. Always bumped when they hit page 9 of course.
The few actual people trying to post something original like projects they're working on or attempting to collaborate on projects are always quickly banned or their threads flooded by one-liner demoralization either posted by bots or the few people posting the dedicated bait threads everyday. Mods are obviously the ones posting some of those. Threads get quickly slid and bots stop engaging in them if people are smart enough not to follow their prepared scripts. Which mostly boil down to stirring up drama about recent tech news or the usual console war type posts. Any criticism of tech news coming out of the big tech companies is quickly shouted down and anyone posting it is accused of being controlled op e-celebs (or followers) or people like that Lunduke faggot that's constantly being posted in twitter screencap threads. The rest of the posts are mainly a mix of people raiding from discord channels or small time e-celebs attempting to promote themselves.
There is almost zero redeeming discussion to be found outside of the lisp general. For whatever reason that's left alone.
The most ironic thing and a good example of the bots/shills/bad actors following the divide and conquer scripts is the rampant piracy/warez and GNU zealot-ism. Promoting piracy seems a-okay if you're promoting use of things like private torrent trackers. But anyone suggesting the use of things like USENET, IRC or other forms of really free and/or encrypted (hard to shut down) p2p file sharing is shouted down. Copyrighted/patented software is deemed okay to violate the law on if it's commercial software. But anyone posting that it's stupid to follow the rules of GNU and ignoring software licenses all together. Which allows you to mix BSD/MIT/GNU/etc code freely without all the stupid work arounds and rules is shouted down. If you point out this is no different than ignoring the copyrights of something like Windows or Adobe products or using cracks the responders either pretend to be retarded and just repeat their scripted replies or more often they stop engaging in the discussion all together while trying to slide it.
Long story short. It's a horrible place and the vast majority of people posting on it now have no idea what they're talking about. They're just there for /v/-tier console war bullshit and attempting to promote things like their horrible re-writes of old POSIX software in languages like Rust and trying to kill interest in anything original some anon might be trying to get help developing. The old distrust of major tech companies and services like github are long gone. If you point out using something like github is really bad and that you should host your own repos instead you're called a schizo and ignored through obvious bot posting. Typically, by one or two people using bots to pretend to be either side of the divide they're trying to promote.
No.161917
>>161916(cont.)
Half the board is just one-liner "Use case?" and "Let's all have console war thread about programming languages" and "plz post in my Apple bait thread (posted by the same mod everyday)" and shit like "<x> general tech support which are simply copy/pastes from stackoverflow".
The fact that there are TWO daily threads for "tech workers general" and they're some of the most active should be an instant tip-off that the board is not worth posting on at all.
The entire board is the same threads copy/pasted everyday on repeat. Where any non-scripted responses are instantly shouted down by the same people (and their bots) pretending to be retarded. Like they're unaware of things actual anons have pointed out about glaring problems happening in several different software projects. Like the decline of many Linux distros. What's happening to the Linux kernel lately. What's happening to new hardware becoming even more locked down. Planned obsolescence becoming more blatant. Updates about things happening in less mainstream OS and general software projects. Many other things of this nature. You can't even have a friendly discussion about things like C and other low level software anymore on /g/. Never mind discussion of anything new and exciting that needs more contributors.
The most frustrating thing is seeing the mods and the people shitting up the board everyday claiming every opinion they dislike is "/pol/ shit" while doing nothing but posting politically motivated crap on repeat.
You can't even talk about the old hacker ethics there anymore. They're now considered "schizo shit".
I think the decline of this hobby and all discussion platforms surrounding it has hurt me the most. I didn't care about video games as much because frankly I stopped really paying attention to them circa-2010 when they all got boring and samey and less original stuff was being developed even in the doujin scene. But losing the ability to talk about /g/ and /o/ stuff really hurt. /a/ stuff isn't _that_ bad despite the blatant shilling and all threads being generals now. Since there were still small pockets where you could find nice people to talk to and smaller places like kissu have enough people around to make it viable. But losing the ability to have a good /tech/ discussion has been so depressing. It's so bad now that younger people don't remember what it was like even 10-15 years ago and think what we have now is normal and that nothing is wrong with what's going on in the modern /tech/ sector.
No.161918
>>161916>I'm pretty convinced there isn't anyone real on the board anymore.Little correction: There are a few real people. Especially at early morning hours EST when the mods are asleep and the bots/shills seem to be off duty or at least less active. But the old 3-5 hour window of that time is now only like 1-2 hours tops.
Plus any time I did attract a real user that wanted to have a real discussion the thread was almost instantly slid. Since as soon as 2-3 real people find each other in a thread the bots stop responding almost instantly.
If you go off-script and manage to attract real discussion the thread is either always instantly slid or just straight up deleted.
No.161919
>>161916>>161917>>161918Some examples of topics that are frustrating to discuss on /g/ (and most smaller /tech/ off shoots) now. Although, /maho/ isn't _that_ bad but mainly because it's less people and I don't think bot/shill posting is rampant here yet. So it's mainly just people on the smaller ones that haven't looked at anything outside of the modern /tech/-bubble stuff. Which is understandable to some extent because there is no where to really learn about it anymore if you don't lurk mailing lists and the few old discussion platforms on the web for it that are all almost dead since the greybeards are starting to die off en-mass.
¥ KernelsAttempting to discuss the many issues in the post-2.x Linux kernel is impossible because threads are instantly flooded or deleted in some cases. Discussion of older kernels and new micro-kernels concepts barely gets you 3 replies or gets you a flood of console war type posts from people claiming nothing is wrong with the NT/Linux/other major UNIX kernels. For something "every CS students learns" there is almost zero real discussion about them happening anymore where you can be pseudo-anonymous while doing it. Even discussion of them on mailing lists is starting to become really rare.
¥ Operating systemsSee above but even more console-wary. Which is mainly because...
¥ Modern lower Linux userspace (and the post-Windows 10 sub-system)Since about 4.xx series of Linux kernel a lot of bad things have been happening. A dual problem of code being accepted that shouldn't/code being removed that shouldn't combined with the political nature of contributing to the kernel now. Like the fact that a large part of the world's population was recently banned from contributing for various reasons.
Discussion of new exciting init systems and lower level stuff surrounding it is pretty much banned and/or flooded instantly now. All because of IBM's and Microsoft's push to push one de-facto software stack for this stuff in the last decade or so. Every thread becomes "why you hate systemd?" within 1-2 replies. Even if you're there in good faith to talk about things like s6, GNU's Shepard and other cool init+lower userspace systems that try to improve on old school scripts+daemons and many doing it better than systemd (imo). In other words, the very idea of _choice_ is shouted down. Even though that was kind of always the point of why the *nix ecosystem of OSs was around in the fist place.
¥ Programming languagesThis has never had to be a console war type thing although yes there has always been good banter around this topic (much like the old editor holy wars).
Go try to discuss something like D, Zig, HolyC and the many other attempts to improve both low level and high level programming for common OSs (mostly UNIX stuff admittedly). The thread is always flooded by people trying to bait replies to talk about Rust. Mainly because Rust has a lot of big tech companies behind it. Which is why they're all sitting on the committees and foundations surrounding that programming language. Strangely, they seem to leave the lisp ones a lone most of the time because I guess they figure it's already dead outside of emacs. But I guess that isn't a surprise because these same companies like IBM worked really hard back in the day to kill lisp based languages in the 70s-90s and did a good job of it.
¥ Old hardware being made obsolete on purposeBy "old" I don't just mean 1990s and back era hardware either. I mean even 10-15 year old AMD64 CPU based platforms and ARM stuff even just a few years old sometimes.
This ties into the example above about programming languages because that's mostly how they're doing it. They're pushing out new compilers and languages that break compatibility with recent hardware on purpose. Then claiming it's in the name of safety while this new hardware is adding more backdoor's and intended exploits by the year. But when you look into who's pushing both of these things it becomes really obvious as to why. They don't want people figuring out they can run modern software fine on even a 15 year old CPU+GPU. Hardware power has stagnated to that point over the last decade. Aside from....
¥ LLM discussionYou'll find plenty about running someone else's model locally on your blackbox GPU or renting a server. But if you point out that you shouldn't rely on this stuff because it requires use of proprietary hardware/software/drivers and if you use a server usually slurps up all the meta data it can while locking you out of all of the features prepare to get run out of the threads fast or banned.
I don't mind people playing with LLMs. But this situation with Nividia shouldn't be tolerated. AMD is just as bad about it. GPUs should not be a blackbox and they're mostly that way to prevent a real FOSS/hacker level of tinkering and improvement like we got thanks to x86 CPUs and the 70s-80s era CPUs before them being a (mostly) open platform to write software for.
No.161920
>>161919(cont.)
To sum it up: Take any of the hacker ethics (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker-ethic.html) and try to post honestly while following them. Enjoy your ban.
Fun fact: catb.org, gnu.org and many other old stores of old hacker lore/information/advice have been under constant DDOS attacks for a solid year. In fact, gnu.org has been suffering from it so badly it's becoming hard to even set-up your emacs config on a new machine or pull packages from guix channels anymore. I had to wait 8 hours last week when I updated my local emacs installation and needed to pull down everything from elpa/melpa I usually use. A couple of months ago I couldn't install Guix on a new system I was installing it on due to the constant DDOS attacks.
Read more about the GNU DDOS attacks here:
https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2024/fall/fsf-sysops-cleaning-up-the-internethttps://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2025/spring/defending-savannah-from-ddos-attacksHow much discussion is on places like /g/? Zero. If you try to post a thread about it good luck getting anyone to reply at all. But you shouldn't have to be starting threads about something like this in the first place. 10-15+ years ago it would have been one of those topics that would have had year+ long running general thread and discussed for years after the fact. But on modern /g/? Not a peep out of anyone. Despite the fact that a lot of them are constantly defending GNU utils and re-posting the same daily bait about people like Stallman.
It's really amazing how much /tech/ discussion has changed on the internet since 2016. It isn't just on places like /g/ either. /. went to pot decades ago as well as all the other usual places. The old IRC channels are particularly awful now for some reason. But even on those there were still pockets of good discussion sometimes and the long time users tended to keep talking among themselves. But since 2016 all those greybeards have either gotten banned or seem to have given up all together. I know tons of people that wrote some important software that's currently running on nearly every server in the world. But they've all become Luddites of sorts. They know the war has been lost I guess and don't want to deal with the stress of trying to fight back. Many were banned of course. But this is already too long to go into details about individuals.
Now there are small pockets on mailing lists quietly working still. But the man power behind the projects they work on has really reduced in the last decade. Even these places have a lot of bait posted on them now when they didn't in the past. But the long time users know to ignore it or only respond to it once.
I guess /g/ was one of the more important hobby communities they had to kill off because it was the nexus for so many other things. Like /v/ stuff but also things like manga/anime/most other otaku interests because they're all downstream of software these days. Considering most things are now created and shared digitally.
No.161921
>>161917I have a friend posting in earbuds and headphones general about his aliexpress buys and how much he saved, dunking on people who insist people need to spend 100-500 on consumer products when the ones he got work just as good (and they do since I tried out his recommendations). The rest of the board is copy pasted crap spammed over and over since there is no longer anything allowed to be discussed. I used to help out with testing cloveros back like 7 years ago, I remember the whole nyaa.se replacement fight with nyaa.si and nyaa.pantsu.cat and trying to help keep the databases backed up, as well as terry the terrible and /g/ basically him fucking over. /g/ had a lot of interesting projects but of course the mods didn't want it if it didn't involve some kuso drama. /g/ was definitely not good back then, but now its completely unrecognizable.
No.161922
>>161921Yes it has really changed. I was there for that time of course. But I assure you if you weren't around in the early days of the board (and the threads on other boards before it was created) then you have no idea how good it really way. Believe it or not at one point even places like /. were really good.
The ability for the tech nerds on the internet to fight back against the large /tech/ companies and organize against really bad things has been reduced to nothing. There is no one fighting back at all.
Here is another example and something I should have led with: Consider LLMs/"AI" laws. There have been some really major laws/EOs passed world wide in the last year. There are multiple security companies springing up all over the place in the private sector that are already getting huge contracts from law enforcement agencies. Both local and federal/world wide. In addition, a large network of devices for it to collect data along with the data centers to store and grep through that data are currently being funded and built with tax payer money.
You will find ZERO discussion about any of this on /g/ or anywhere else for that matter. Outside of small blurbs that are either quickly ignored, deleted, shouted down and sometimes resulting in bans of the OP and anyone else participating.
Why?. This is now deemed "/pol/ shit". So you're just painted as being from "the other team" or "shitting the place up" and told to "take it to /<board>/ that's obviously just a bunch of bots where your post will either be slid of deleted anyway.
Compare the above to what was happening on the web/internet back in the day with things like DVD CSS and the countless other times these large companies (and the Government) tried to roll out something anti-consumer/against hacker ethics.
This is what I mean about /tech/ discussion being dead. It's impossible to collaborate anymore. Either on your own software projects or fighting back against things the big companies have coming down the pike that are bad for everyone.
No.161923
>>161916>>161917/g/ is being heavily cabaled by the ban evasion tool group. those are the bot users you mentioned. All of them come from /g/ AI generals.
Since the group started getting bare ip'd and the owner is likely getting doxed soon they've gone masks off and openly present themselves as CSAM spammers now.
But these guys are actually the dregs of an already killed board. The disableds who can't leave. /g/ was done for years before they surfaced.
I genuinely don't know how it got this bad. /g/ in the late 2010s was respected. It imploded in the Pandemic and just shitposted itself to death. No idea how it happened, people blame some sort of secret cabal of macposting trolls with a mod in their ranks but I'm sure it's them coping after getting satania'd too hard
No.161924
>>161921>as well as terry the terrible and /g/ basically him fucking over.That shit was awful and it genuinely makes me mad they put him on the fucking sticky.
No.161925
>>161923>It imploded in the Pandemic and just shitposted itself to death. No idea how it happened, people blame some sort of secret cabal of macposting trolls with a mod in their ranks but I'm sure it's them coping after getting satania'd too hardCOVID was the start of the new security state roll out. They had to build out the network first before they could build what they're working on now (more massive datacenters and the nuclear power plants to build them). Keep in mind, they hadn't built a new nuclear power plant in the USA since the late 1970s/early 80s. They also spent nothing on maintaining the grid for regular people. Yet now that these datacenters are being built to spy on citizens more they're building new nuclear plants AND a separate grid to hook them up to these datacenters.
In the first 1-2 months of COVID they had already been rolling out the new wireless network nationwide for a few months. I know because my friend climbs towers for a living and installs new ones. They had him and his crew working through the dead of winter in the Northern states that year. They had worked their way down from Maine to the Gulf of Mexico over the course of 4-5 months. It was more work that he'd done in years and they all got paid tons of hazzard and OT pay that year and the year after.
In parallel to the above wireless rollout they started running fiber everywhere. I even ended up getting it despite living so far in the sticks that I was sure I'd never see it before 2050 if ever. This in an area where people still didn't have cable and the cable the few that paid $10k+ to have run to their houses was the slowest in the nation. Now I have 10Gbps symmetrical speeds. They needed all that bandwidth to get more bandwidth out to the towers they'd put up everywhere in these area.
Then there is the new satellite network they'd been launching at the same time. Starlink is only like 1/5th of it. They've been launching 3+ military/Government only sats doing the same thing for every public starlink one they've put up. NRO has been really busy these last few years.
What we're witnessing is the build out of a security state like the world has never seen before and the technology to power it. Which is why many in the know are joking about it being skynet. So it's only natural that "they" would have a real desire to shut down free discussion about technology on the old internet based discussion channels for /tech/ topics.
It's a dual edge sword. You either get accused of being schizo for wanting to talk about it or it being deemed "/pol/ shit". Usually both.
>>161924Terry's OS and HolyC are actually really interesting. He wanted to make a modern C64 so people could hack on things like they did back in the days when he was learning. The only issue with Terry was the small group of people that treated him like a lolcow. There were some on /g/ I'm sure but I'd mostly left the board at that point because there were more active /tech/ boards available without the rampant obvious shilling and more real people. So Terry threads there weren't that bad because the people trying to turn him into a lolcow weren't tolerated and mostly ignored. Discussion centered around his improvements on C and the OS itself. The few people that did follow the non-/tech/ shit he said mostly did things like send him money and help develop his OS. There were a bunch of people trying to fund selling it pre-installed on hardware to places like children's /tech/ teaching organizations so it could be used as a tool for learning hacking as intended.
The small group that harassed are the same ones that took over his domain and distro of the OS after his death. One of the first thing they did was violate one of the main rules/points of the OS. Which was adding networking to it.
HolyC itself does so many clever things. But good luck finding anyone that wants to talk about them or use those ideas in another C-spin off (or any language).
No.161927
People used to joke about every day is repost day but with the move to general threads /g/'s core 1/3rd of the catalog's worth of threads are almost completely template inside the thread. It's the same thread over and over and over. The same five or so people dominate the thread in a ritualized sequence of call and response.
No.161929
/g/ sucked for discussions, but at least I could get news about hardware and stuff. I should probably just find a tech news site to cover that.
>>161925>One of the first thing they did was violate one of the main rules/points of the OS. Which was adding networking to it.I wasn't following that situation, but I thought Terry wasn't against networking on principle and didn't add it to TempleOS only because he didn't consider it important enough to deal with LOC increase that would come with it. If they did break Terry's LOC limit in the process, then yeah, shame on them.
No.161931
>>161930How come every time someone makes a post talking about the poor state of 4chan/the internet in general and provides their experience (especially about bots/shills) people reply "uhhh schizo??" with no further argument, even on kissu? You only make their claims of people being dismissive more legitimate.
No.161932
>>161931Because I'm sometimes on /g/ too. While /g/ is a fucking worthless shithole filled with idiots, I can't see anything he describes in his overly long post. Consequently, he's a schizo who makes up shit.
Not every explanation why 4chan is shit has to be correct, or even sane.
No.161936
>>161930Who are you quoting schizo?
No.161939
>>161931This very thread is full of posters complaining about the state of 4chan/the imageboard sphere/the internet in general, but most of them don't get called schizos. I think the reason our greentext-abusing friend used that buzzword has more to do with the argumentative structure of the rant he's replying to.
I recognize the ranter's posting style from both here and /g/. His post chains usually follow a familiar format:
¥ Start with broadly true observations about some widely shared grievance¥ Identify a sort-of plausible cause¥ Postulate the existence of a cabal behind the scenes that orchestrated it, without providing evidence or arguments¥ Connect the problem to broader societal issues that make most people feel powerless¥ State that the same cabal orchestrated those, again, without providing evidence or arguments¥ Insert a few unsourced anecdotes along the way ("I know insiders and they all agree with me") and/or resort to grandstanding ("I'm working on a solution. Two more weeks.")In this case, some of his observations about how discussion on /g/ has become more repetitive, more politicized and more focused on drowning out opposing viewpoints over the years and how the board's activity has taken a nosedive in tandem track with what I've observed over the years (I stopped checking /g/ regularly around 3 years ago), but the rest of the wall of text doesn't follow from those observations, and he makes no attempt to back it up with anything a good faith reader might use to check the facts and make up their own minds.
It doesn't help that his other preoccupations include occult topics.
I usually prefer to ask followup question ("Do you have a source for that? / "Can you elaborate?") instead of dismissing posters offhand, especially when seem knowledgeable and invested in the topic at first glance, but I've also spent enough time online to recognize someone even more neurotic and isolated than I am.
No.161940
That came out a lot more judgemental than I intended. I mainly posted that to explain why I think certain styles of posting are often not taken very seriously.
No.161941
>>161939Nice theory you've built around a two line post.
Anyway, provide evidence that there are paid shills on /g/.
No.161942
>>161941>Nice theory you've built around a two line post.You're free to provide an alternative theory, or an elaboration if you're the original greentexter.
>Anyway, provide evidence that there are paid shills on /g/.I'm not the one who made that claim.
No.161943
>>161941If you could pay some indians to shill every name brand product you own and call everyone who complains about name brand product a schizo/disinfo/whatever for $.10 an hour, with the guise of being anonymous, and you have 100 billion in gross revenue, would you do it?
No.161944
>>161937I think its retarded to say that there aren't any people on 4chan at the current moment trying to shill shit
No.161945
>>161942>You're free to provide an alternative theory, As always, it can be explained with stupidity. /g/ has been invaded with consumerist and brand warriors.
>I'm not the one who made that claim.But you did.
>>161943I'd let them work on twitter, instead of wasting money on 4chan.
No.161946
>>161945>As always, it can be explained with stupidity. /g/ has been invaded with consumerist and brand warriors.That's not mutually exclusive with my claim that the chainposter the greentexter was replying to is making up conspiracy theories.
>But you did.Are you new to this whole anonymous discussion thing or just trolling?
No.161948
Wait, wasn't this thread about meta imageboard discussions?
No.161950
>>161938I haven't really followed the Krautchan disaspora or /int/ culture in general. How did Ernstchan position itself compared to other spinoffs, and how likely is it that regular posters will find a new home on any of the upstream sites?
Good that the admin is offering proven regulars a way to take up the mantle. That's a good way to handle a painful situation.
>Total posts: 75,789>Unique posters: 163>Active content: 14.68 GB>EC and radio server together combine for around €23/month (EC 16, radio 7)How representative is this? Because on the one hand, that looks like he's overpaying for the amount of traffic, but on the other hand, it sounds manageable for most hobbyist admins, which is promising.
Semi-related: I wish there was more collaboration among imageboard admins to compile guides on how to set up hosting, domain registration and secure web server and board software configurations. The admins of anon.cafe and julay.world made an attempt back in, what, 2020? But the former heavily relied on Ansible (which seems needlessly "enterprisey" for the average imageboard's use case; correct me if I'm wrong) and LynxChan (which strictly separates frontend and backend, but no one seems to use the reference frontend, which probably make it hard to standardize instructions), and I don't remember if Robi ever followed up on his promise.
No.161951
>>161949>green text abuser derails the thread.You sure have a frail mind.
No.161952
Greentext abusers don't know about the options field.
No.161953
>>161952>Greentext abusers don't know about the options field.You're acting like a moron.
No.161954
NOBODY understands this thread has autoage how many times do i tell you this i swear to god
No.161957
>>161954Sorry, gotta act like I'm a jap in the 2000s to signal my status as pretentious image board culture knower.
No.161958
>>161954>autoage>ageWait, what? Are my voluntarily saged metaposts treated as more important than more kissable posts even if my S-word indicates otherwise? Why not mark this thread with the shuriken/windspinnything and an alt text saying "Replies can't bump until x hours have passed"?
I am confus
No.161960
>>161958vermie instated this mechanic when he got mad at meta sagers once so yes they do and no it's not marked
No.161961
sagers deserve it and worse besides
No.161962
>>161960Now I feel dumb, but I guess I've been englightened
>>161961*KISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS*
No.161963
The only useful option is noko because not all boards are autonoko for some reason.
No.161964
>>161963>optionAnd of course I meant email field value. Only nu-chan calls it option field!
No.161965
This nokker just nokod me
No.161966
>>161923I wish for the extermination of all furfags
No.161967
>>161965Found the last remaining fan of Fumetsu no Anata e. Maybe. If he survived.
No.161968
>>1619387 years is nothing to scoff at for an IB.
No.161969
>>161954sage is a downvote and has always been used as a downvote, even in Japan.
No.161970
>>161967I stopped reading it when they
went to modern times. Up until then, it was one of my favourite manga.
No.161971
>>161969I just saged your thread.
FAQ
-What does this mean?
This post did not bump your thread, bringing it closer to page 10.
-Why did you do this?
There are several reasons I may deem a thread to be unworthy of a bump. These include, but are not limited to:
Rudeness towards other Anons,
Spreading incorrect information,
Being a faggot.
-Am I banned from the 4chan?
No - not yet. But you should refrain from making threads like this in the future. Otherwise I will be forced to issue an additional sage, which may put your thread's position in jeopardy.
-I don't believe my thread deserved to be saged. Can you un-sage it?
Sure, mistakes happen. But only in exceedingly rare circumstances will I bump a thread undoing my sage. If you would like to issue an appeal, shoot me a private message explaining what I got wrong. I tend to respond to IRC within several minutes. Do note, however, that over 99.9% of sage appeals are rejected, and yours is likely no exception.
-How can I prevent this from happening in the future?
Accept the sage and move on. But learn from this mistake: your behavior will not be tolerated on 4channel.org. I will continue to sage until you improve your conduct. Remember: 4chan is a privilege, not a right.
No.161974
>>161971>4channel.orgThis pasta did not stagnate well.
>4chan is a privilege, not a right.Whyome I feel more privileged after jumping 4ship?
No.161977
>>161975>>161976Will the NSA get me if I use this?
No.161978
>>161975>>161976I'm too retarded to understand this, all I understood is that you generate a token and have it "signed" or something
No.161980
>>161975>>161976Wouldn't it be easier for a low traffic imageboard to generate a cookie on the first post, premoderate posts by young cookies, increase cookie reputation with age, and hash posts with a per-board or per-thread salt once the system accepts them based on the cookie's reputation? No crypto magic required. Only timestamps, cookie IDs and a hash algorithm of the admin's choice. (I only understand math in terms of high level descriptions, please be patient.)
¥but Tor Browser doesn't save cookies by defaultJust mark the site as trusted to signal it can trust you.
As long as it's less work for a well-meaning poster to reset their cookie or warm up multiple cookies concurrently than it is for staff to ban posters based on patterns the system can't easily correlate across cookies, you'd expect motivated good posters to outpace motivated spammers as long as the warmup period is long enough to deter the latter.
>>161979>unlinkabilityThat sounds like an undesirable characteristic if your main threat model is stopping spam. Am I missing something?
>Thus, the signer does not view the message contentHow do they propose to moderate the posts that get through? How would this stop a dedicated human spammer from hand-writing their first x posts and wikispamming the rest once their cookie has been approved?
>voting analogyDigital voting is notorious for being an unsolved and probably unsolvable problem. It also has much higher stakes than a typical imageboard.
In the worst case, if a digital voting system gets compromised, everyone has to live under a dictatorship until someone fixes the voting system (assuming the dictator will let them).
If an imageboard lets too many bad posts through, well-meaning posters will just move to another imageboard that deals with the spam problem better. (In other words: spam is fundamentally a human pattern recognition problem, not a math problem. Smarter math can never pre-empt nastier patterns made up by humans.)
No.161981
>>161971Reminds me, I took a look through warosu during the downtime, and it was funny to see the entire whatafak man pasta was posted in its entirety fairly recently, but trying to repost it in one of the kuso vhu threads but it got spam filtered, I wonder if a janny bypassed the filter to post that.
No.161986
>>161980>Wouldn't it be easier for a low traffic imageboard to generate a cookie on the first post, premoderate posts by young cookies, increase cookie reputation with age, and hash posts with a per-board or per-thread salt once the system accepts them based on the cookie's reputation?I'm not sure from your description what you're doing with the hashes, but assigning users cookies means the admin can tell which posts are from which users. It's essentially "an account system where only I can tell which account made which post" with the feature of the accounts being made automatically. The goal is a system where the admin can only distinguish good posters from spammers and nothing more.
>Thus, the signer does not view the message content>How do they propose to moderate the posts that get through?The "message" being signed in
>>161975 is not the comment itself but a randomly generated single-use 32-byte string. That string together with a signature is used to make a future post without having to wait on pre-moderation.
No.161987
>>161986>assigning users cookies means the admin can tell which posts are from which users. It's essentially "an account system where only I can tell which account made which post" with the feature of the accounts being made automatically.Isn't that how most current imageboard engines with functional moderation work in practice? The main difference is how many data points they use to identify users (IP, cookies, browser fingerprint), how well they compartmentalize the user's global identity from the ID visible to non-admin staff (per-site, per-board or per-thread), and how many non-admin staff members have access to the resulting ID.
>The "message" being signed in >>161975 is not the comment itself but a randomly generated single-use 32-byte string. That string together with a signature is used to make a future post without having to wait on pre-moderation.That sounds like a more complex way to implement cookie reputation while making it harder to troubleshoot.
No.161988
>>161931Believe it or not that person makes it their goal in life to follow people they dislike around and attempts to derail any thread where they might be having a friendly discussion.
Kind of ironic that they claim there aren't groups of people doing that isn't it?
No.161990
>>161956When is kissu going to stream the entire series?
No.161991
>>161988>>161931Furthermore, they always demand proof. Whenever proof is presented they do one of the following;
¥ Claim it isn't good enough¥ Claim it's "schizo shit"This despite the fact that proof is easily verified to be both Government (Five eyes/DoD) shilling operations and several for-profit companies (e.g. Shareblue) that anyone that was around in the 2007-2016 should already know about through live experience.
Also demanding full proof of things that can only be inferred through actions of others since they obviously don't let random people sit on on secret meetings and planning sessions is a common tactic used to dismiss accusations and shut down discussion. See: Gentleman's Guide to forum spies for many more methods along these lines.
The professional shilling operations don't even account for the random faggots conspiring together in places like IRC and Discord. Which has been a well known long running problem for as long as web forums have been around. Although it has become far more annoying as of late now that these people can shit places up more effectively through both use of LLMs and domestic IP addresses through VPNs/proxies.
I too recognize typing habits and see this person very often elsewhere. Most of the time always participating (read: attempting to shit up) discussion posted by well meaning people either attempting to release things for free (mostly software) or seeking collaboration (again mostly software). They have even accused multiple other people of being me. Since they think anyone that posts something beyond one paragraph is the same person. They will then go on to make the same lame one line insult posts and demands. Which mostly consist of demanding something I sought collaboration/help with over the last few years be released RIGHT NOW. Despite the fact that someone seems very interested in sabotaging that and other projects. Make the mistake of throwing out ideas for names and they buy up the domains. Make the mistake of throwing up a repo somewhere and it's banned in a few hours. Make the mistake of posting about it under a name somewhere it's required and they'll spend weeks feverishly attempting to discover your dox through breadcrumbs you left (which they haven't been able to do thus far).
So yeah. I don't need to prove there is some "cabal" out there doing these things. Since it's pretty obvious to me someone is doing to both myself and several other well meaning people that (used to) post on /g/ and elsewhere.
They really like to hide behind the "it's just stupid people" excuse. When it's obvious to most people that all the real posters left long ago and there are barely any left. It that were not true then threads wouldn't be staying up for weeks at a time on a board where you used to be lucky to keep a thread from archiving in a few hours. I used /g/ as an example because I just happened to be probing it again lately. I lurk around what were formerly active places filled with real people and good discussion now and again to gauge the down fall of them. I could do it for several other boards if I wanted. But I don't feel motivated to write about this stuff that often. I could give you a dissertation on the same thing happening to places like /x/ and other small boards just as easily. Along with various other places that weren't imageboards. All are suffering from the same problem.
If the place wasn't dying and mostly bots they wouldn't have removed the IP counter for starters. Nor would I be able to instantly stop bots from replying to any thread I want by simply posting a handful of keywords.
What is most amusing is for someone that claims this isn't happening and constantly demands proof this person is sure disinterested in reading it. Or talking about it. Or having a debate about it. They also seem to always show up no matter where it's being discussed. Be it here or some random thread somewhere on a large board or on some board with no more than 3 people using it where there are many months between replies.
So you tell me. Are they everywhere or do they follow certain people (or keywords) around? Also, if they're so sick of it being discussed why do they feel the need to seek out discussion of it? Why do they also feel the need to undercover the identity of who's talking about it so much?
I know it isn't just me posting about it and interested in it. Considering I know there are others. Since I'm having discussions with them at length now and again. There are at least 3 other people I know of that talk about it at length and make long posts about it and I've seen all of them accused of being the same person multiple times. Which is why this guy (or this group of people) thinks I'm working on about four or five different software projects that I'm not even involved in at the moment.
I will never understand why they can't do what I do whenever I see a post I don't like: ignore it. They have like 20 different options for doing that yet they refuse to use any of them. Then they always complain about "board quality/culture" which is always just a gambit to get someone banned on some place where they do not hold the power to do it themselves.
No.161994
>>161987>Isn't that how most current imageboard engines with functional moderation work in practice?Yes, which in my mind is a point against doing things that way. Being able to offer users stronger anonymity makes you different.
No.161995
>>161993>i don't careYou read it all then you ignored the advice given at the bottom of the post. So yes. You do care. If you didn't you wouldn't have responded at all.
No.161996
>>161995nice try, i only read the first paragraph for once
No.161998
>>161986>>161987>>161994None of these cookie systems work because they will simply be flooded and abused by the same people you're trying to prevent.
The real solution is the same solution for the Indians scamming old people through landline problem: If people are abusing others through the network you punish the network provider giving them access. In other words; If you don't cut off access to these bad actors prepared to get banned from the rest of the world's networks.
Now this too could be abused through the same DOS tactic and will at first. Which is why it must be backed up by actual enforcement IRL. In other words, you punish people that abuse the network the same way you punish teenagers that decide to play baseball with mail boxes.
Of course none of this works well in a network where you don't have
¥ Real freedom of speech lawsand
¥ Real freedom of dataGood luck getting the laws to change on the last point. If they did then services could no longer be ruined through CSAM spam. Nor would they be able to be closely monitored by law enforcement on the grounds of preventing CSAM content. Once certain strings of 1s and 0s were deemed illegal it was already over.
No.161999
>>161991It really doesn't take much effort to call a wall of text schizo. I'm sure dozens, maybe even in the triple digits of people, can muster the brain power necessary to type s, c, h, i, z, and o onto their keyboards and navigate their cursor to the post or submit button after, of course, clicking the funny little numbers that represent the post number of a post to ensure the wall of text is properly labeled for the convenience or everyone. I'm sure their silly little thoughts all can reach similar conclusions as well.
No.162000
Take note of how interested they are in attempting to bait me with the methods described here:
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htmLike I said before. They aren't interested in proof. They aren't interested in debate. They aren't interested in discussion. Their only purpose is to shut down discussion of these topics. Since they're the core reason for the decline of the various imageboards over the last 10-15 years both big and small.
Nothing enrages them more than when you refuse to get baited into arguing with them emotionally. Since that prevents their ultimate goal: Getting people discussing things they don't want talked about banned. Where they pretend to care oh so much for the quality of a board/thread they aren't even using in good faith in the first place.
It's best to ignore them but I'll take this opportunity to link to the above guide again. Since someone lurking might not have read it yet and this serves as a good example of what I was talking about. Mainly, that they show up in groups and post the same crap on repeat. Which usually just amounts to their forced memes which only serve as a way to control discourse. In this case: "schizo" which only started getting spammed everywhere in recent years. "Wall of text" which somehow ends up meaning shorter and shorter posts with each passing year. Since they're down to calling a few paragraphs a "wall of text" these days. Back in the day you had to post about 10+ at a time for anyone to call a post that. Since the vast majority of posts were at least a couple of paragraphs.
But again. They always had the option to scroll on by or talk about something else or not look at this thread at all. But they can't help themselves. They will always read the contents of these posts. Their main goal is to discourage (you) from reading them. They really do care and I know they're my friends. Since they're with me no matter where I go.
I hope the weather in Langley is pleasant today.
No.162001
>>162000i defended you in a previous thread when we were dealing with math and the dsm, i just want to stop posting long-ass non-happenings that you've written up dozens of times before
No.162003
>>162000trips of [REDACTED]
No.162004
wordfilter schizo to genius
No.162005
>>161991>Furthermore, they always demand proof.What's wrong with that? Anyone can claim anything, just because it might make sense it doesn't have to be true.
>Whenever proof is presented they do one of the following;
Where did you present your proof? You're jumping ahead.
Rest is tl;dr
No.162006
>>162000I just want to know whether you have any evidence or whether you're making up nice sounding bullshit.
But that you think my casual shitposts are CIA methods... holy cock.
No.162007
>>161950I would find this to be far higher than what I pay to run wapchan + its radio (though they are on the same server), which is around $50 annually for the VPS + domain. It was previously closer to $30 altogether but I got a much stronger VPS during the 4chan downtime which gives me more headroom.
No.162008
This guy clearly has a head on his shoulders and some interesting views, but is showing signs of onset-stage schizophrenia and symptoms that correspond to delusions of persecution.
Please take care mate.
>>162007yuropoors just love getting findommed
No.162010
>>162002
Or people could simply just ignore "conspiracy anon" if his responses anger them. He didn't attack anyone from what I can see, he is free to share his view on things in a peaceful manner until a mod deems his posts too off-topic and some random anon just lacked the emotional maturity to accept this and started 4chantexting for no reason other than to blow off steam. "Conspiracy anon" likes talking and will obviously respond, but has proven in the past that he can be reasoned with if approached in a normal way, now he gets shit on for something that was essentially started by someone most likely new to Kissu.
Report him if he ever steps out of line. Ignore him if he is moving within the rules and he upsets you, or just tell him he's going off-topic if you think so and allow him to either reflect and stop, or give you his reasons for disagreeing. Meanwhile, no one complains about the greentexter continuously egging him on in the most anti-Kissu manner imaginable.
I personally don't believe in the majority of what that anon usually talks about, but there is no reason to shit on him for it if he doesn't attack anyone. Not everything needs to be debated either, you can also just enjoy the thoughts shared in a post. Either way, if I do get curious about something he says and ask him to elaborate or I throw in some clashing ideas, never once has he been a dick or warranted an unsavory response.
No.162012
>>162010DON'T downvote conspiranon that's rude
No.162015
>>162004kissu has been needing a bunch of fresh new wordfilters for a while now
No.162016
>>162010I was speaking more in general since it's something that happens across all boards over there on 4chan, but point taken.
No.162018
>>162010>but there is no reason to shit on him for it if he doesn't attack anyone. I'll stop you there - He has accused several of gangstalking him across multiple sites. The only reason you are not seeing a flamewar from him is that the hopes he can convince moderation of booting them first.
No.162020
>>162010He accused me of being some government spy, but I'm the baddy here?
And what's wrong with not pretending that it's still 2003. Almost 0% of all people posting on image boards still use greentext strictly as quote function.
No.162021
I find his posting funny, but I wish he made his walls of text more concise.
No.162023
>>162018>he hopes he can convince moderation of booting them first.That's assuming malice on his part without evidence, and I say that as one of the posters who criticized him in this thread.
>>162018>He has accused several of gangstalking him across multiple sites>>162020>He accused me of being some government spySadly, that's just part of the modern internet experience now. It shouldn't be, but I don't know how to fix it, let alone on anonymous imageboards that have no mechanism to establish trust.
No.162024
>>162000I found that article very interesting, but come on, 99% of shitters are sub 80 IQ chimps, they don't shitpost because of some bigger objective, they just think "hurr durr me get reply it funny i wan do it moar". You can IMMEDIATELY tell when a shitter is not one of these apes because their posts give of a very malicious vibe, instead of the childish retardation a tourist crapper might have.
No.162025
>>162022Fuck, you caught me,. Alright, I'm the head of the NSA.
No.162031
>>162016I see what you're saying then. I can count on one hand the conspiratorial posts I've seen in all my time on there that weren't overly insisting and rude toward anyone responding.
>>162018I have seen him doing that on here, but not to anyone directly who wasn't being a dick to him first. Perhaps I missed such a case, I certainly wouldn't defend him in one if I saw it.
I will say though I saw someone with a very similar posting style having gone absolutely bonkers at a poster for believing in autism, something like that. I hope it wasn't this anon because reading that was incredibly disappointing and I called it out then as well.
>>162020You're the baddy because you attacked him unprompted and did so in a manner typically associated with low-quality shitposting. While Kissu in general prefers yentexting when not directly quoting, I personally wouldn't have said a thing if your greentext wasn't disrespectful, precisely because I don't believe in unnecessarily picking on others. I also don't believe in the anon calling you a spy, I just think you had it coming with your initial response.
I don't care WHAT people are saying so long as they're being respectful about it, which you can be even while telling someone you think they're wrong. The reason I like Kissu is because I am able to see opinions on here that drove me crazy on 4chan, but which I can read and discuss here without getting upset because they're often voiced in good faith.