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https://archive.ph/rv5Jc No.150210
>>150015It also annoys me. I cannot rationally explain why. Maybe there was an imageboard that had multiple images which pissed me off. Same with getting rid of the email field by the way.
No.150211
>>150210>Same with getting rid of the email field by the way.The options field is just an email field that laughs at you if you dox yourself.
No.150212
>>150053We might actually end up finally separating people who get angry at ragebait all the time from actual hobbyists.
No.150219
>>150211I wonder how imageboard culture would evolve if using the email field was more normalized? Not like every post has an email attached, but it's as common as say trips.
As long as you are not retarded and use a burner email, it could be a good way to basically send PMs and keep contact with an anon you thought seemed interesting. Maybe there you meet someone on the site that is really into your own specific interest, the rest of the board doesn't care but you wanna continue discussion elsewhere. Maybe you are doing some sort of project and are putting the email to get contributions.
That was the point of the email field in the first place right? Remember also that email was the equivalent of instant messaging in japan where the format comes from.
Would this be a net good? Bad? Clearly in the current zeitgeist this would lead to what people are complaining about when they say "discord", but in a better world, I don't know.
No.150221
>>150219It never had a chance. Even names and tripcodes are looked down upon, even though they are still enabled everywhere.
No.150222
>>150219>it could be a good way to basically send PMs and keep contact with an anon you thought seemed interestingThat was originally the point, but then
>the current zeitgeist this would lead to what people are complaining about when they say "discord"happened.
No.150223
>>150199My way of samefagging is to make a post, think about it for an hour and realize I was wrong and then reply to my past self pointing out the error and calling him a nigger faggot. I imagine with IDs this'd look very strange but really all I did is think through my position better.
No.150224
>>150223I sometimes do this. I respond with a killer argument why the post is retarded. I don't have to feel embarrassed about my retarded post anymore because I rectified it myself, without openly admitting that I was wrong.
No.150225
>>150223>>150224Have I been arguing with both of you this whole time?!
No.150226
>>150223Yes precisely right? ID's are punishing you for
letting go and undergoing 'what I'll call
Imageboard Ego-Death, instead forcing you to take on an identity even if a temporary one, creating a sort of mini-forum where you are held accountable for what you said before. It's bad for discussion because it makes people more personally attached to their positions, defending them even if they start to realize they were wrong.
That post from an hour ago? Wasn't me. If dunking on it makes sense now let's do it.
No.150227
>>150225No no, there's at least 4 of us from posting styles, though I suspect someone might be using AI to rewrite.
No.150228
>>150204>But what I especially would like to do is call people niggerfaggots at one moment and then post cute pictures of my waifu in the next instant, without associating the character and the posts with my earlier outburst.Yes, separation of different-purpose posts is nice. I have little doubt that my longer posts, those hitting 2000+ characters, are easily recognizable within one thread. Too much of personal style of writing seeping in. But between those thoughtful conversations I like to post something dumb or drop a lust provoking image that caught my eye. I think it would be too jarring to see one and the same poster engaging in all those behaviors in the same thread, either undermining the merit of arguments by association, or making dumb posts awkward.
No.150229
>>150219To me personally, it's all about the perceived intent behind others exchanging information. I always happily ignored the people who were genuinely invested in a conversation and gave up a throwaway mail to continue in private, which is how I myself met my best friend, but people sharing their Discord just makes me worry that it's a circlejerk in progress, one which might at some point raid the board from their hugbox. Theoretically, the same could still be achieved by exchanging mails, so this type of thinking doesn't even make sense, but I can't help myself seeing it like that.
No.150232
>>150202moderating based off some individual's impulsive and arbitrary feelings over the actual rules is cancer
No.150233
>>150232That's why jannies are enough
No.150235
>>150228That's me engaging in somewhat serious political discussions, then getting baited by horny posts inbetween and joining them with a completely different personality and way of writing. Then when someone complains about horny posts, I immediately agree and pretend like I'm not actively trying to seduce opposing views with lewd 2D.
No.150237
>>150232Going too far into the legalist idea is bad too though.
Are chans supposed to be impersonal, corporate entities, governed by a strict "rule of law"?
Is there no value in a bit more of a personal touch, a community aspect?
Are some interventions outside of the law not needed sometimes? Someone who everyone agrees is being annoying, even if they are not breaking any rules technically? Maybe a bad trend that is metastisizing? I'm reminded of a post someone made here invoking the idea of collectivism vs individualism as it relates to this, cyclical thread though.
For an example of extreme legalism you can look at /leftypol/, which has a whole LARP government of the "modocracy" with a constitution, where moderators have to vote in a congress for rule changes.
No.150247
>>150244Shouldn't the game dev thread be moved to amv, too?
>>>/amv/2729 No.150249
>>150248We'll probably consider this as one of those edge cases to add to the ven diagram
No.150250
>>150247I'd consider it closer to tech talk since it contains various software and programming talk. Definitely an edge case, though, yeah, we can talk about it in the future. Back to manually moving threads I go!
No.150252
I legit can't believe 8/pol/ is 4 years old and only has 37000 posts. It's so nice all the /pol/acks went to the sharty.
No.150253
>>150247I'm refreshing the board and every time a bunch of new threads appear. They're busy.
No.150266
Found a new furry imageboard being shilled on 8moe
https://flyingdogis.land/index.htmlDoubt this'll amount to anything.
No.150281
>>150266Interesting
It's explicitly not a furry imageboard though. I was expecting /trash/ but it's cute actually.
>So, like furries?>Yes, and no.>While the kemoner (jap. ケモナー — "kemono fan") community shares the core subject and has some similarities with its western counterpart, it came into existence and developed independently, and has significant cultural differences, most easily recognized by the art style, but going far beyond that. ... In fact, as there is already no shortage of places and communities dedicated to the western furry works, including imageboards, please, avoid using this website for sharing or extensively discussing non-kemono works.But you are right It is too obscure of a topic to sustain a whole site I think.
No.150291
>>150281>It's explicitly not a furry imageboard thoughbut it's all furry images, even the background image is a furry.
It's a kemono board in name only as is, that's a furry board.
No.150292
>>150284PS: I didn't mean "very furry" like in the image. What is posted there is less furry than very furry. Much of it is indeed cute and not /trash/ tier, but it's still furry.
No.150293
>>150015It's extremely visible and completely at odds with the tradition of having your image relate to the contents of your post. It's an easy way to dunk on 4chan because you can say you have MORE than they do, but it pays no mind to the cultural impact of the feature. It is nice to have in dump threads, but an IB based around dumping is just a kuso booru.
Just go to Smug/a/ and see the guys posting five unrelated screenshots on every post and making the thread a wall of meaningless bullshit and tell me it's not every bit as annoying as the 4/a/ spammers who spent hours dumping every frame from the episode.
No.150296
>>150291>>150284Eh, this is semantics.
I've looked through all staggering 48 posts on the board and it looks like kemono to me not furry.
The fact they the admin says they don't want furries in is enough for me.
Furry is disgusting.
Kemono is cute.
So I will yurusu.
No.150299
>>150136Skimming through this reminds me, I never really liked character threads all that much (disregarding slide thread autism). Even though I've had great discussion about specific 2hus in them, I prefer lore and OC threads where you can spread your appreciation rather than keeping it confined to a few dedicated imagedumps.
"Stagnant" is appropriate, though fuck if that absolves them for
>>150155 No.150300
>>150289Also looking through the 2nd page I notice the composition of active boards have changed. Theres a lot of 2nd page boards with 0 pph but high total post counts, indicating these were among the more active boards before the hack. /fur/, /interracial/, /mai/ and /sm/ being a few examples.
I think some of this is the more active refugee made boards sucking up activity from these old dead boards but maybe theres something more specific to each going on.
No.150303
>>150232Rules are just the admin's arbitrary feelings but slower, less context-aware, and interpreted through a mod's personal lens. Mods should just be clear about doing shit because they feel like it and know that they will be praised or jeered depending on how well their feelings align with those of the community.
No.150305
Where did /hgg2d/ go?
No.150306
>>150289>>150300What did you say?
No.150307
>>1503058moe/v/
It seems they are moving /v/ generals to 8moe/vg/.
No.150310
Kemono is borderline furry anyways
No.150311
>>150308https://8chan.moe/v/res/1176160.htmlDon't know when or if they will be moved to /vg/. There was also one thread before this one
No.150312
>>150301I like it and it's japanese.
Only half joking, look I'm not into it so I can't really tell you. But it's just like how you can tell or sense when "anime" art was made by a twitter westerner and when it's japanese. You can just tell right? But can you boil it down to a strict definition? Not really.
>>150309You're right, that banner does seem off.
No.150313
>>150223>>150224>>150226>>150227I never do this because I don't change my mind fast enough. Often I run into some old post of mine and think,
¥ Yep, I was right then, and I'm still right now. Sure feels good being right about everything all the time. No.150315
>>150299Yeah, same. Whenever I went to character threads it was mainly to discuss certain canon, lore, and capability aspects surrounding them. Especially whenever new manga chapters would drop showcasing something new about any character. Aside from that, a lot of character threads were mainly just silent booru image dumps.
I guess they could count as waifufagging but there were other character threads like the Mokou ones that talked about the aspects they really appreciated about their favorite 2hus. Jannies just stating to have that minimum standard on character threads would've helped immensely but they rathered just whine about it.
No.150316
>>150315i love boobhus so much
No.150317
>>150306Activity is trickling down to other boards on 8moe
No.150318
>>150299I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't feel like I was too confined to those threads. I think I had at least twenty sitting in my watch list at any given time. While I may love a single 2hu and place her as my one 2wife, that doesn't mean I can't spread appreciation to others. What I really liked was the aftereffects of the writefag wave had a lot more effortposts and storyposts, and a lot of them came off of shitposts that had a good enough idea as a sort of writing prompt. I was still faffing with it when 4chan died, but I was trying to do a little story for the Ran thread about the runt of the litter and shit the foxlets would get up to that got memed about a little. Hell, the big stories like KMS, HSE, and other assorted fanfics you see on AO3 came from those character threads.
Something like character threads were only possible I think because /jp/ was a hotspot for Touhou in western imageboards, there were enough fans of a character to populate a dedicated thread to her. Even if we collectively were only like 50 guys, that's still a big concentration and it's a shame things got broken up. I also liken those threads a bit to the dedicated conventions and expos Japan has for individual characters, like a Satori Expo.
>>150315Silent booru dumps were a bit of a downer, but bear in mind the board was fast enough that they'd fall off if they didn't get at least one post a day. Sometimes I didn't have anything to really say or add, but I wanted to rescue a Chen thread or whatever from page 10.
>>150316Then go post more in the thread!
No.150319
Orin threads are absolutely disgusting, I hate Americans and they obesity fetish.
No.150321
>>150312No, this makes complete sense. Kemono basically means furry, like anime means cartoon.
No.150324
>>150320this is a weird-ass bug
No.150328
>>150327>stay safeWhat did the glowies do now???
No.150339
>>150266The front page says it's running Vichan, but it's actually running JSchan.
>>150301Kemono is basically furry+anime. Kemono artists draw characters with bigger eyes, small snouts and more human features compared to the average western furry art. If furries usually are drawn like humanized animals, with kemono it's the opposite and the characters are "animalized" humans.
No.150347
>>150315>>150318More power to you guys. I just hope this little vacation doesn't cause too many decent /jp/sies to move on for good. Never knew how much I'd miss doujinshi sharing and sitting Reimu threads til now.
No.150349
>>150348Nah, both are gay as fuck.
Right is how the average kemoshota looks like.
No.150350
Furry is like Western art, there's detail in the face such as the inclusion of noses. Kemono is like other Japanese art: low detail apart from eyes. The difference between a human girl and a kemono is a slightly larger black dot for the nose.
No.150354
>>150353sorry, I don't speak Jamaican
No.150382
anyone having issues with sageru irc
No.150383
>>150382Seems to be working, but I see 121 people in #jp which means it's probably getting spammed by 70 IPs and the server may crash.
No.150391
Come back later!
No.150394
its happening
No.150396
See you soon!
No.150401
>>150382we're bunkering in #/vt/ on rizon while we wait sageru to come back
No.150407
>>150199if the jannoids did their job that would get you banned for trolling
No.150411
>>150226ids came because the ability to post as multiple people so easily was abused to hell. its less innocent anons having fun and more ragebaiting or trying to change opinions about something by botting threads all day long with just one anon pretending to be hundreds of anons totally thinking that way of a thing
No.150418
>See you soon!
As in "sayonara, goodbye forever" or, "the site is going to go back up soon"?
No.150420
>>150418the latter obviously
No.150432
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>>150418It means everything is back but still not accessible to regular users.
No.150435
http://p.4chan.org/
The 4chang mobile client for passfags is back up, one of the passfags in /ghost/ confirmed they're currently not able to post
No.150451
>>150435Was the mobile site always only for passfags?
No.150456
>>150454I definitely will. 4chan just offers too much that altchans don't
No.150457
>>150456The main thing it offers is just other people to talk to about your niche interest.
No.150458
>>150454I think people are vastly overestimating how many will actually stick with the alts, at least if it comes back up soonish. Maybe if it had been down for like, over a month, people would've had time to get settled in, but it's looking like that won't be the case. I'm predicting the vast majority of alts will just go back to being dead. I'm pretty sure the people saying they won't go back are just a vocal minority, and even they'll probably come around eventually.
No.150460
>>150458It all depends on the split of people who value speed versus those who like the idea of higher quality, albeit slower threads. I agree with you that most people will be going back, but 4chan as a group is tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people. Even if only 5% are willing to keep checking other imageboards it would still be a substantial boost.
The meta threads that pop up in a few months on various boards with the usual talk of "this place sucks, where do I go" should have quite a few more people offering suggestions I think. This increase in exposure will be a lasting benefit in that way as well.
No.150462
I'm not going back to 4chan. Was thinking about gifting out my 4chan pass to the Kissu staff for doing a great job. Not sure if they will accept it, maybe I should write them an email. Anyway I'm not going back. Fuck 4chan.
No.150465
>>150462I'm going back. I love 4chan even if I hate it.
No.150467
>>150465Stockholm syndrome.
No.150471
>>150465I get it as a nornal user but if you're a 4chan pass owner or have ever paid for ads I can't gasp how you would want to go back to a site that doesn't respect you or your hard earned NEETbux.
No.150473
>>150472Elin threads were almost always deleted from /v/.
No.150475
>>150462Site doesn't need money, just people.
One of my mods could use money. So Amazon giftcards sent to my email work out best there because he's not that financially literate.
https://kissu.moe/donationsOtherwise kofi and I'll arrange it if you request it to go to the mods
>>>/b/6583 No.150476
>>150468/a/ doesn't have vtumors. /jp/ was actually the correct board for vtumors before /vt/ existed. Of course it was a big and incredibly stupid mistake not to ban vtumors from /jp/ by then. Idols always were on /jp/. I remember fags complaining that their junior idol got banned, although I guess this was only about gravure shit.
No.150477
>>150473Yeah I saw it happen after people mentioned the threads in /jp/, not a huge fan of /v/ anymore but the threads were good compared to the usual quality I was accustomed to. The shitposting attempts against it were insane, really cant have a good thread getting in the way of culture wars or whatever else
No.150481
If the 4chan hack was an inside job, as many suspect, why didn't he leak any of the discord logs?
No.150482
>>150475>One of my mods could use money. >he's not that financially literate.cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
ute
No.150483
>>150475I sent you guys 10$ through ko-fi. I might pay for a 4chan ad redirecting to Kissu if 4chan comes back and only if I get a confirmation from their part that my payment method wasn't compromised by the hack.
Thank you for keeping Kissu alive!
No.150485
>>150483Thank you for the help. I replied with some details through kofi & mail
No.150487
On some smaller but active chans there are people who hyperpost constantly and even you can find yourself replying to everything just so the place doesn't feel so dead. When they're gone it becomes obvious and you just feel abandoned. Such places feel more like a group chats populated only by dozens of people.
4chan still has that kind of comfort where you can post at your own pace and you won't really make a difference in activity so you don't feel the constant need to keep the site alive, you can relax, come back and you will find new posts to read.
Those who want 4chan back are attracted to that kind of comfort.
No.150488
>>150487it's true, but what you're saying is the benefits of having a lot of norms around. On the flipside the norms tend to gather around a single idea of what is good an what isn't. A collection of smaller sites provide a lot more interpretations of ideas that a single hectic+laidback 4chan
No.150489
>>150487Many of the most popular generals on 8/a/ have a handful of posters who make up to a third of all posts in a thread. Many of them don't get healthy sleep, and are NEETs or post during work hours.
No.150490
>>150487This is only true if you exclusively follow popular things, at which point I'd question why even bother with imageboards. Slower threads on fast boards were very annoying to keep up with constant bumps.
No.150491
>>150484This, I was basically completely out of touch with the altchan scene after 8chan sharted, the only ones I knew about where 8chan and 7chan and a bunch of long dead ones like iichan and anon.cafe
I've learned a lot in these threads about it and found some small chans I like so I'll definitely be crossposting more often now.
No.150492
>see interesting meta thread on 8/a/
>lurk a bit
>want to reply to a post
>thread not found
Wow it's just like 4/a/!
No.150495
>>150492Correction, I believe it was about the recent change of the 4chan static pages. No archive to check. A redundant (non-official) meta thread is still up.
MODS=FAGS
No.150499
p.4chan.org is actually up. Of course you can't read or make posts. But it's the only static 4chan content that's up (other than the message and the cloudflare error css) that I know.
No.150501
>>150454Yeah, no. You constantly talk about higher quality and all, but that's not really true, altchans are just slower and that's all, maybe there's less trolls, but trolling is the part of the culture and I'd argue that it's necessary for chan to be fun. If 4chan comes back up all graveyardchans will go back to being graveyards, and that's a good thing, you want your slow, dedicated threads, we want our fast and fun chan.
No.150502
>>150468i would guess a huge majority of 4channers are very young. the kind that also have a tiktok addiction. nothing of value lost if they go back
No.150503
I still can't believe this is all because of some soyjak-spamming retards. I remember on 4/qa/ that some user admitted to laughing uncontrollably at "well-placed soyjaks". it was at that moment I knew they weren't teenagers but pre-teens, if only in terms of mentality and maturity.
No.150504
>>150501>You constantly talk about higher quality and allI've never done that, all I do here is number nigger
Speaking of, new day new graphs
Think it's pretty safe to say the sharty has plateaued
No.150508
>>150503I wait for the day Soykodomo are banned, and posting a soyjack gets you instabanned
No.150512
hope /pol/turds stay in the sharty and never come back, fucking bunch of subhumans
No.150514
soyjaks are funny though
No.150520
>>150506>>>/amv/ isn't being counted so of course
No.150523
Gonna end it off with 4chon going back to prehack levels
Everyone else seems to be stagnating. Seems things are quieting down and stuff is less interesting.
>>150520Good point, might wanna contact the guy who does marge.moe to include it.
No.150524
>>150458>>150460>>150468The problem with alts for me is that I still don't see them as being any different from 4chan in the end.
What I mean is, say an alt grew to the same size userbase as 4chan. Wouldn't it just be exactly 4chan at that point, except maybe with a somewhat different list of boards and different moderators?
But if that was the problem to begin with then the solution would be to abandon that alt for yet another alt, perpetually trying to run away from the userbase by abandoning sites I once loved, yet wanting the next alt to have a larger userbase at the same time? It's like a paradox.
I think alts are like trying to treat the symptom rather than the cause. It might make the site seem better in some ways on the shortterm but is it really any different in the long run?
But here's a more interesting question... Why is it that imageboards in general are so different from other social media platforms? Now THIS is getting at the meat of the issue, because even when those platforms have the same userbase size as 4chan they're still very different.
The conclusion is: If you really want to change what a platform is like you have to do it through the functionality of the site itself. Change the very way posting occurs, and what it means. But it doesn't seem like any alt chans are really trying to do that (except 4taba which is dead now). Nobody is really trying to shake up what it MEANS to post on an imageboard. They're just 4chan clones with different boards/mods.
No.150525
>>150524>Wouldn't it just be exactly 4chan at that point, except maybe with a somewhat different list of boards and different moderators?That's exactly the point in the first place. The thing everyone complains about is the moderation, and a distant second is wrong boards existing.
No.150527
>>150525I know people think that's what they want, but I have a feeling it's never actually going to give you what you're seeking.
90% of the time you post you're not even running into mods at all. So are you 90% content with the way 4chan is, and it's only that 10% that makes you want something else?
I've spent a lot of time thinking about what the perfect moderation looks like, and the only conclusion I can come to is that it's impossible to achieve. People will always find a way to say something without saying it.
If any alt chan had the same size userbase as 4chan you know the rules would have to change to adapt. I would guess it ends up looking a lot more like 4chan than you think it would.
When so many people agree that something is wrong, I don't think slapping a bandaid on it and saying "we'll have these mods filter out all the stuff that's wrong!" is not well-defined enough to actually solve whatever the problem is.
No.150528
>>150525Adding to what I wrote
>>150527It occurs to me that if your theory is correct then everyone would be using 8chan, because all it would take is putting together a great team of mods and starting a board on 8chan, then everyone would want to use it right?
So why hasn't that happened yet?
No.150529
>>150524>Why is it that imageboards in general are so different from other social media platforms?It is the lack of nicknames, that's all, nothing else. The more annonymous the chan is, the better it is, 4chan was better than any altchan because the amount of posters ensured the annonymity. If you had a chan that was frequented by 10 users, after some time you'd reckognize every one of them, if it was frequented by 100s, you'd surely rekognize at least part of them, but if it'd be 1000? The best virtue of 4chan was it's volume, the amout of users, any time of the day, any day. And yes that means samefagging, and jannies abusing their power, but it all gets lost in the flow of the board, which only exists if the chan is big enough.
>submission issue: rude wordyeah, alts are so much better than 4chan...
No.150530
>>150529preventing people from constantly yelling about trannies is a good thing
No.150531
>>150529So you're telling me if I made a clone of reddit with all its features exactly, but I just made everyone anonymous, then posting there would feel to you exactly the same as posting on 4chan?
No.150532
>>150531You mean if you made a website where annonymous users could create their own boards? You'd end up with 8chan, wouldn't you?
No.150535
>>150532No, I meant exactly what I said.
You're claiming the only thing responsible for imageboard culture being what it is is the lack of usernames. So if you just removed usernames from reddit, or twitter, or facebook, then all of those sites would be like posting on 4chan according to your view.
No.150537
>>150524I think that 8chans reddit board system does lead to a different kind of culture than other altchans due to mod drama and the splitter problem mentioned earlier in the thread. Not necessarily better but different.
No.150539
>>150531Thats just 8chan and it is indeed just like 4chan
No.150540
>>150536Moderation is a good thing yes
No.150541
>>150527It's not about only when I post and get moderated. I'm implicitly running into the mods every time I see a kuso off topic post that's left up or don't see a good post that's been deleted. It's really not a question of hypothetical perfection vs achievable good, it's that the mods and janitors don't even meet the bar of good or even acceptable. How many people have complained about making a valid report of a post and being punished for that report, rather than the offending post being acted on? I didn't report posts very often on 4chan but I'm sure someone else right in this thread has a time this has happened.
>>150528Now you're shifting the goalposts. Your first post that I replied to was asking about the hypothetical altchan stipulated to have already gotten as big as 4chan, but now I have to answer for why an alternative hasn't gotten as big? And I never even proposed in the first place a complete theory of how to make the perfect altchan that would displace 4chan. "Just remake 4chan but this time with good mods and janitors" won't do it, I never said it did. To answer your question anyway, there's name recognition and habit formation that 4chan's been building over the last 20-odd years as well as a strong network effect and that's why nothing's displaced it.
No.150543
>>150535>No, I meant exactly what I said.What other features plebbit has, other than usernames and karma system, which is tied to usernames?
As every other overforum, or however you want to call it, it is cancerous because users want to be reckognized, upvoted, given special ranks, titles, permissions or whatever. Lack of nicknames solves all of that.
No.150544
>>150536There's no such thing as freedom of speech.
No.150545
>>150543Yeah, reddit without the identity stuff is just 4chan except only the OP can post an image. The identity stuff and it's related things like karma and updoots is what makes reddit so shit.
No.150546
>>150541We'll probably just have to agree to disagree then. All I'm saying is if you ever find your perfect imageboard with the perfect mods, and that imageboards popularity were to increase by 100x, I predict that you'd find that site ends up feeling the same as 4chan and you'd end up wanting to leave it and find another alt again.
If you disagree that's fine since there's probably no way to prove it one way or the other right now, this is just my view on it.
No.150547
>>150536Who are you quoting
No.150550
>>150543Well you know, in a sense anonymity should be considered a feature of the site. So in a way if you say changing anonymity changes the culture then isn't that proving the point that features can have a much larger effect on the culture than just mods?
No.150551
>>150546and all I'm saying is that if you ever find something retarded the 4chan moderation team is doing, I predict that you'd get a free lunch from picking the low-hanging fruit of "just stop doing that then" rather than there being some deep structural sociological systems dynamics reason for why it couldn't possibly be moderated better than it actually was.
No.150560
>>150545Well just thought of another thing that separates reddit from 4chan that could be applied to a chan, multi-threading.
I'm not entirely sure what kind of an effect multi-threading would have on the culture. It definitely leads to early comments on reddit dominating all further conversation but anons could probably game it by spamming nonsense in threads they don't like to make all the early comments a slog to read through and kill the thread. Would definitely be an interesting experiment to run a chan with multi-threading and see how people adapt.
No.150561
>>150550How would a mod define the chan's culture? Maybe if there were more mods than regular users.
I suppose administration can influence the culture heavily, if, for example, I can't exercise my free speach on this chan, I know I won't be using it, in a sense, I'm getting filtered. So yeah, administration, by the means of banning certain phrases, topics or IPs can filter out users and set a direction for the chan. That's also why at least some of the altchans are ghost cities, if you filter out your already small userbase, you're left with what, a few daily users, who are restricted to very few topics.
No.150570
>>150561>How would a mod define the chan's culture?They delete certain threads. They stop deleting certain threads. It's very simple.
Mods have already been doing this. They refused to delete /vt/ threads on /jp/ and banned people who complained. Shit like this has long term effects on the communities.
>I suppose administration can influence the culture heavily, if, for example, I can't exercise my free speach on this chan, I know I won't be using it, in a sense, I'm getting filtered. So yeah, You don't have free speech here or on 4chan, or anywhere. The only free speech imageboard I've seen was so filled with garbage that it ended up having no users after a while because the garbage posters weren't being removed because that would infringe their free speech. Free speech is not culture, and the "anti rulecutie" brigade just want imageboards to die due to being uninhabitable.
No.150571
>>150536I was worried about the tr*nny filter at first as well, but so far, I haven't encountered anything that suggests obvious and direct "favoritism" or anything of the like, which I believe makes the filter a non-issue. It simply helps to keep things friendly and civil between all types of people, which the vast majority of posters also seem to put great effort into and makes for great discussions. I appreciate being able to actually focus on a posts content.
No.150574
>>150514Most of it is mental illness but some of the meme is funny. I like the high effort classical painting parodies, or the biblical/quranic ones, or that I fucking love science music video. Sharty is completely unbrowseable though, it's only sometimes funny when you see it spill onto 4chan in moderation.
No.150575
saying a bad thing about trannies and then having my post deleted is my way of flirting with the CUTE moderators of this place (the webmaster is NOT CUTE)
No.150577
>>150570> The only free speech imageboard I've seenWhat was it?
8chan was pretty free speech back in the day, as much as you could be without breaking the law (and breaking the law still often happened.)
No.150578
not him but it was probably freech
No.150582
Did this pass mobile thing go down at some point?
No.150583
>>150571Posting on Kissu is mellowing me. I'm less agressive and more open than I was before. I still have my own opinions of course, but I don't rage as much as before. 4chan was truly a dead weight in my soul.
No.150585
If you want true free speech come to the official
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No.150588
>>150571this post reads like satire
>>150575you can say nigger because it doesn't affect me, but if you say a slur that
does affect me then its
bad No.150590
>>150570>They delete certain threadsYeah that's all they can do, right? Is it really enough to define the culture? Or by culture you mean things you like.
>You don't have free speech here or on 4chanFree speech is not equal to spam permission. If I wanted to say t.ranny, nigger, kikie, pajeet or any other slur I wished, I could, and if it was in context the post wouldn't be deleted.
There's a big difference between janny removing your "NIGGER" post and a fucking reply form not letting you submit your post because you said a bad word.
No.150594
>>150590Well we could maybe implement a good filter for tranny and then that'd work. But really I've never seen a post using it that hasn't been shit and you can type it in meta well enough with a period or something. And I don't think it affects donor token posts.
No.150597
>>150592you would think they would at least filter it to something creative. I can't believe they wasted "cutie" to filter c.uck
No.150598
>>150597that one's great though
No.150601
>>150585What's a good IRC client app for Android? I'm too lazy to stay on the computer for more than 2 hours and spend my days laying on the bed wwww
No.150604
>>150600it's about as great as a soyjak image with a greentext quoting the guy he's replying to
No.150605
>>150583That is exactly how I feel as well. The only posts I really cared for on 4chan were the neutral ones that didn't feel the need to openly insist on anything, and that's what seems to be daily fare here. I never made any real effort to seek out a good altchan because most felt similarly poopy or had unfair moderation, so I just convinced myself that the 1% of good posts were worth getting upset over the other 99%.
No.150608
>>150603Some people are assumed to not be babbling retards and can evade post filters? Yeah, that's probably a good thing.
No.150611
>>150610I love it desu senpai
No.150614
>>150609nigger
>>150610hits too close to home pls understand
thankfully, my wife's boyfriend doesn't use that word
No.150617
>>150601termux with irssi
No.150618
>>150616V FIX THE QUICK REPLY
I missquote someone several times a day. I swear it's broken in vichan.
No.150621
>>150620I know it won't get fixed I just needed to yell this pisses me off how often it happens.
No.150622
>>150619oh no no no no… is that… THE G-SLUR?! AIIIEEEEE MODS PLEASE FILTER
No.150623
gner
goner
spermer
goooner
oh thank mod that was quick
No.150625
New filters:
Tr*nny -> Okama
Goon -> Fap
Spermer -> Fapper
Nigger -> Ghettolanders
Kike -> Nose
No.150626
I support the slop -> burg filter
No.150627
>Spermer
why
No.150628
>>150527problem with 4s mods is that they are randoms that don't give a fuck. good mods would be part of the community and come down to the threads instead of just blindly acting on reports based on that single post but leaving the rest of the mess intact
No.150629
>>150625>Spermer -> FapperPranked
No.150631
>>150616>>150618Who did you even mean to quote there?
No.150632
>>150629loool I got spermmed
No.150633
>>150625Aw, I don't wanna be a number nigger
No.150634
>>150633Oh thank goodness the post was a joke
No.150635
>>150625I don't support racist/antisemetic filters.
You can't take "NIGGER" and "KIKE" away from me!
No.150637
>>150635Ok but seriously tr*nny -> okama makes sense and it's not as disruptive as just stopping you from posting
No.150643
how about tra[s |][/s]nny -> brick shithouse
No.150644
>>150583anonymity and average people don't work so well. there will be way too many of those "im just here to laugh at/insult the losers and weirdos" and when the mods give no fucks that will ruin the vibe very quickly
No.150646
I missed a pretty active part of the thread because I thought kissu's auto update was NOT BROKEN FUCKING SHIT.
No.150647
>>150646Works fine for me
No.150648
>>150646vichan or new ui?
No.150651
If he doesn't know it's the new one.
No.150652
New leaked email says that /f/ is kill. I hope it's fake but it makes sense unfortunately.
No.150657
>>150655Like the other anon said, it makes too much sense. At least it will be very easy to tell whether this was fake or real.
No.150658
>>150655Well it's more believable than the second one.
No.150659
>>150650But I'm too paranoid to do that...
On the bottom it says
>- Tinyboard + vichan 5.1.4 + NPFchan + Kissu 5.1.4 - No.150660
>>150659It says that on both, question is if the copyright says 2018-2022 or 2018-2025.
Or if you have 100 themes or 5.
Anyways it's the new one because you don't know which one. The new one is default. You have to go through the effort to change to the old one.
No.150661
>>150659Green sage Anon is new, blue sage Anon is old
No.150663
>>150660More than 5 themes. Kissu 2018-2022
No.150664
>>150663You somehow switched to vichan without realizing.
No.150665
Idiot.
No.150666
>>150664I may have played around with some buttons to get rid of the frames.
No.150667
Dumb idiotard.
No.150668
>>150662I checked the dox on the sharty wiki and it correlates with a /mlp/ mod. Might be real, or at least whoever leaked it took the effort to use a real email from the mod team.
No.150669
>>150668whoever faked it*
No.150670
>>150668>>150669We will know. Is the 4chan developer too lazy or underpaid to replace the PDF check with a simple different check, or will he disable PDF uploads? We will know.
No.150674
>>150673What keeps you here?
No.150676
>>150674Every other place is worse or slower
No.150683
>>150662horsefucker.org is part of cockmail. That's also where I got my @hitler.rocks address.
No.150684
>>150676It took them 10 days to get up any message on the domain whatsoever. Unreal.
No.150687
>>150673You can still call them faggots though?
No.150692
/gachi/ doko?
No.150693
>>150684Seriously. I think the dev simply enjoyed his Easter holidays without 4chan. Instead of doing unpaid work for him during his time off.
No.150698
>>150697can't wait to be able to read 4chan and recall all the amazing quality we've been missing out on
No.150700
>>150697Too bad I left #4chan and can't confirm whether this is real. The constant ERPing annoyed me.
No.150703
>>150687The last time I did that my post got deleted
No.150704
>>150703Call them cuties that always works
No.150708
>>150705I hovered over this post on vichan...
No.150709
>>150705YOU STUPID FUCK HACKED MY COMPUTER
No.150710
>>150705DO NOT HOVER, HIMARI VIRUS
No.150725
>>150610Both make me laugh and make mindless shitposters mad (which makes me laugh a second time), so they contribute to overall happiness in the world.
No.150726
Mods are discussing the removal of /f/.
No.150736
can't keep their file permissions in order
No.150739
>>150732>>150733What's the inside the catbox?
No.150742
>>150738>>150739That's just someone funposting. It's not real.
No.150745
>>150740could've been something funnier
No.150746
>>150652must be hard to install os updates once in a while. i wont be surprised if it gets raped open again even instantly
No.150747
>>150746>It took them this long just to put up the exact same codebase on the exact same outdated system, no bug fixes of any kindI wouldn't be surprised
No.150753
>>150748It accurately reflects the average post quality. Good on them for lowering expectations.
No.150760
anyone know where /cm/ went?
No.150781
>>150760We had some people (you, I guess) make a thread on
>>>/ec/15877.
Aside from that maybe /sm/ on 8chan.
No.150786
>>150665>>150667>>150675who are you guys replying to???
No.150788
>>150781Nta but /sm/ is pure shota stuff and /cb/ is 3dpd
No.150790
>he doesn't know
No.150791
>>150788/cm/ was 70% shota
No.150793
>>150792I checked them out, pretty deadish
I'll just wait until the regular thread is back online
No.150794
>>150788It's the best I can give you. Use it to fill the void for the next few days.
But stay the hell away from the 3d boards. They used to host an actual pedophile trading ring on 8chan and remnants might still be left. Or feds at least.
No.150798
>>150736EVER SINCE 2008, ALWAYS THE SAME, COULDN'T KEEP THEIR HANDS OUT OF THE GHOSTSCRIPT. BUT NOT OUR 4CHAN! COULDN'T BE OUR PRECIOUS 4CHAN!
No.150800
>>150793The slowest boards were the most affected by the hack because they lacked the numbers to spread the word about alternatives when 4chan went down. The only way to bring users back is to spread the word about an alternative and ask them to do the same.
I have been using 8chan's /cutemale/ and
>>>/ec/15877 to cope with my addiction to cute boys, even if they only get one or two posts per day.
No.150801
>>150800It's the same with /a/. It's a big board, but only the endless generals really have taken off on the altchans.
No.150804
>>150800Once /cm/ is back a backup should probably be put in place...
No.150808
...why do you guys lust after little boys?
No.150813
>>150804Agreed. It's obvious that mods won't let anyone advertise a rival space, but with 4chan still using the same ancient software and the hatred for mods at an all time high it's better to let anons know about alternatives in case SHTF again.
>>150808Because they are CUTE.
No.150814
>>150808they are Lolicon but homosexual, and since it's boys apparently everyone is okay with it?
No.150815
>>150808because boys are perfect
>>150813advertise it on a thread level in the OP then, I think some threads do this and arent deleted
No.150817
>>150808Men turn into gross hairy rape monsters when they grow old.
No.150819
Homosexuality isn't a happening
No.150821
>>150817aging is a fact of life for both genders
just like cute women exist so do cute men
cm was good because women were banned from the entire board
No.150827
>>150826not my fault you are all spineless wusses that can't fight for a loli board
cm is the best board on that entire site, almost no shitposters besides some spammers that get deleted
No.150828
>>150827>that can't fight for a loli boardall boards are loli board! (board, hehe aint i right...)
No.150834
>>150827fought for a loli board all throughout /qa/'s lifespan and I just got banned by abib for it eventually
No.150836
>>150834Is abib the mod with the custom ban messages? I once got banned and IP wiped for "pedo shit" only because I posted an age of consent map from wikipedia in a dumb off-topic thread.
No.150849
>>150826/cm/ became the de-facto shota board because its users have managed to keep a shota general free of major drama and crap that would make mods nuke it for years and with a slow but continuous growth. You can check archive.moe and see how even mods became more relaxed with the time and began to allow soft ecchi (bulges, underwear, slightly visibly butts) in shota and non-shota threads.
Meanwhile, lolicons continuously antagonize the staff and other users in multiple boards (/a/, /v/, /co/, /g/, among other places) instead of congregating in a single place (like /c/ for SFW posts), take every bait thrown at them, immediately try to post porn in every thread instead of at least waiting until mods stop lurking it, and worst of all they have a massive issue with pedos that use loli threads to discuss little girls and post CP (with Pragmata and Sarah threads on /v/ being the most blatant cases) as a consequence of embracing memes like "UOH CHILD EROTIC LITTLE GIRL CUNNY EROTIC" that have clear connections with real pedophilia.
If you don't believe me that excessive negative autism is what keeps killing threads, check /co/'s weekly loli threads. Their pseudo-general started very recently, but they rarely have issues because most anons post SFW media and use catbox links for the spicy stuff, try to keep their threads clean, and most importantly they don't talk about real children. Compare this with /v/ and /g/'s "IS CHILD PUSSY GOOD FOR YOU?" stuff that is always deleted or /a/'s threads about lolis in general that become slapfights between lolicons, pedos and anti-loli/pedos until a mod kills them.
No.150850
>>150849exactly
I would kill every single board on 4chan if it meant /cm/ would survive
there is simply no other perfectly reasonable place to post cute boys without drama or trannies trying to but their way in
No.150852
You fags, I'm turning you all into little boys and defiling your holes
No.150854
>>150849i bet its only a small minority that actually likes lolis and the rest are just trolls taking advantage of the shock value
No.150857
>>150850why are so many anons terminally penis obsessed
No.150858
>>150849This is because posters who care more about 2D than 3D are astroturfing the shit out of this.
I don't know why this isn't the case with shota. Everyone knows NAMBLA, but shotafags keep the NAMBLA out of their shit.
No.150859
/f/ is being removed from 4chan and everyone is just talking about some unrelated fetishes. Does no one care?
No.150860
>>150859We just talked about it a bit ago
No.150861
>>150859Barely anyone even used it anymore. It's sad sure, but what can you do?
No.150862
>>150859it had it coming for a long time now, but what's to say
No.150863
>>150857why are straggots so terminally pussy obsessed?
I like both but prefer boys to girls, and straights wont stop acting bewildered that fags exist on the internet for some reason, possibly because they convinced themselves that traps and futa are straight so everyone is a closeted american racist
not having to deal with such retarded posts is the main reason cm was good
No.150866
>>150863>possibly because they convinced themselves that traps and futa are straight so everyone is a closeted american racistWtf does this mean
No.150867
>>150866I think the sentence is very clear, what part is confusing
No.150868
>>150863NTA, but I really don't think what he said was that deep. Calm down.
No.150869
Benis and vagoo are best if you plug them together.
No.150870
>>150868I'm just boystarved and have to read dumb posts like that for a week now even in other altchans
I miss my board...
No.150871
>>150863you're not supposed to let the gay get that far into your thoughts
No.150873
>Melty incoming
MODDDSSSS
No.150874
>>150859swfchan and /ghost/ are more active than /f/
No.150875
>>150871I have never been in denial about my likes unlike some people, so I never "let" the gay get anywhere
>>150873>meltyMEDS, NOW
No.150876
>>150874Hasn't swfchan been down, for, like, a while now?
No.150878
>>150876their certificate is expired but the site is still up
No.150879
>>150852The world would be a better place if everyone turned into shotas.
>>1508594stats still shows's /f/'s top threads, even if they aren't directly accessible to users. That's why I'm not fully convinced of the recent rumor about /f/'s decommission. Hell, /qb/ wasn't deleted either according to 4stats.
No.150881
>>150879>The world would be a better place if everyone turned into shotas.This but lolis.
No.150892
loli futas
No.150894
>>150892rare unexplored porn genre
No.150899
how i wish loli futa was a specific tag, like oppai loli
the overwhelming majority is of futa on loli
No.150900
>>150899>the overwhelming majority is of futa on loliI don't believe this.
No.150902
>>150819good thing this isn’t the happening thread
>>150826this. p*dophilia is okay if you’re gay, apparently.
No.150903
>>150892The best form of dick. Sorry, shotafags.
No.150904
>(-1)
Uh what got deleted?
No.150905
>>150902>p*dophilia is okay if you’re gay, apparently.traditional values
No.150910
So desuarchive moved threads because the 4chan API was up for a short moment, right? It even seems to have archived new posts. For how long was it up?
Another sign of incompetence, sadly.
No.150912
>>150910What were the posts?
No.150915
>>150910don't worry they got their best troons on it
No.150916
>>150910I don't think it was for very long, a few hours or so.
Funnily enough there was a small spike in 4stats when it came online.
No.150921
>>150905lusting after prepubescent boys isn't a traditional value
No.150930
>>150916it's so over
we're so back
it's so over
No.150936
>>141927What’s the /bant/ spin-off chan again? The one where you can set flags
No.150942
>>150921Pederasty is older than tradition itself.
t. Socrates
No.150948
>>150939>bantculture.comThank you
No.150949
>>150930>4>3>4Close, but no haiku
No.150962
>>150939Oh yeah, may the password be given?
No.150966
>>150939That imageboard is a daring combination of peanut butter and feral dog shit. But I don't think I absolutely hate it.
No.150969
>>150962Nevermind, I am not a retard
No.150970
this place has never felt like /qa/. the /jp/ posters are too serious to have any amount of fun posting.
No.150975
>>150970Are you judging it based on the last 10 days?
No.150977
>>150970I can funpost so hard I get banned from the most kuso places imaginable but I know how to act when in Rome
No.150982
Soyteens should find out what Shii is doing these days. Now that would be something.
No.150983
>>150982What's moot been up to these days? I know he moved to Japan when he was working with Google but I believe he moved after being fired.
No.150984
>>150982They would have no idea who he even is. Hell most modern 4channers probably don't.
No.150985
>>150984I like browsing the archive of his old website.
No.150986
>>150982I legit don't know what he's doing nowadays.
>>150983After leaving google moot just completely went dark, no ones heard anything from him.
No.150987
>>150983He's managed to keep a low profile and there isn't any new info on him as far as I know. Honestly good for him.
No.150988
>>150975you'd think the traffic would help it be more fun
>>150977we would be in rome, and you would behave.
No.150989
>>150849You can just tell a retarded 4chan mod typed this out.
No.150990
>>150986>>150987Maybe one day he'll return. I like to think he lurks occasionally. This also makes me wonder where Snacks and old tripfags like Nurse-kun are nowadays.
No.150992
>>150849>Meanwhile, lolicons continuously antagonize the staff and other users in multiple boards (/a/, /v/, /co/, /g/, among other places) instead of congregating in a single place (like /c/ for SFW posts), take every bait thrown at them, immediately try to post porn in every thread instead of at least waiting until mods stop lurking it, and worst of all they have a massive issue with pedos that use loli threads to discuss little girls and post CP (with Pragmata and Sarah threads on /v/ being the most blatant cases) as a consequence of embracing memes like "UOH CHILD EROTIC LITTLE GIRL CUNNY EROTIC" that have clear connections with real pedophilia.Even if lolicons behaved themselves, they'd still get shit on by retarded moralfaggots, so there isn't much point in not coming out swinging from the start. Fags on the other hand have been benefiting from protected minority status for decades. It's not an apples to apples comparison between lolicons and shotacons--->
>>150858 says everyone knows NAMBLA, ok, how is it that NAMBLA is even allowed to exist in the first place?
If some anti-shota nigger came to /cm/ and shat the place up, what would happen? Would the mods pull some "Both sides are just as bad as each other!!" crap or would they ban the troublemaker instead? Too often with lolicon it's moderated like the former and not the latter.
That said, it's not a trivial achievement that you've collectively maintained a drama-free shota thread on /cm/ and convinced the mods to be ok with it. So I commend you guys for that.
No.150993
>>150983Between selling 4chins and his Google job, he probably has enough to quietly retire somewhere
No.150994
>>150990Snacks used to shill his radio show on /b/. Don't know if he still does that. Last I heard he was absolutely baffled people still ask for him to be a mod again. To be fair it's something he did for a few years nearly 20 years ago. It was a small part of his life.
No.150995
>>150987Still isn't it odd that there has been no moot sighting? He might be dead.
No.150997
>>150992>ok, how is it that NAMBLA is even allowed to exist in the first place?It's still a free country, even if the glowies bully them as hard as possible. They do nothing illegal, unless they do.
No.150999
Please tell me 4cutest is coming back before Sunday, I want to have /kgb/ again
No.151001
>>150990Snacks DJs on twitch now unless this is a different guy.
https://www.twitch.tv/midnightsnacksfm/videos No.151008
>all this bullshit about bad faith actors and other hugbox shit on the 8/a/ meta thread
Pussy ass place.
No.151011
>>151008I'll hug your box if you aren't careful, shitlord.
No.151014
>>151008as expected of /aids/
No.151021
>>150992>NAMBLANot a great example considering they were ostracized from the alphabet alliance when they went mainstream for being bad optics. I'd laugh at them but it's too depressing to know that they only thing a queer can do wrong is ask people to question the arbitrariness of age-based restrictions.
No.151022
https://eylenburg.github.io/altchans.htmManual stats page was updated. Sadly seems a lot of the stats are wrong but hopefully they'll be fixed soon
No.151023
Maybe the problem is not /dbs/. Maybe the problem is that the rest of the board got so pussified and OC renitent that /dbs/ just seeped in everywhere like in a boat that hasn't been maintained for decades.
No.151024
is /dbs/ dragon ball super?
No.151028
>>150999i tuned out of kagurabachi pretty early, how's it going now? were the threads shit?
No.151030
>>150995There was a thread where an anon took a photo with moot on a japanese train, he wasn't impressed.
No.151032
>>151024It stands for "drunk braindead spics"
No.151034
>>151028>how's it going now?Kino (not for everyone, the manga has a good pace, which means it's too fast for the average shounentard slugfest reader)
>were the threads shit?At one point they were /dbs/ tier, but after being exiled, it became one the least kuso WSJ Shounen threads. Of course, it's all going down the drain once the anime airs and brings retards from everywhere.
No.151035
>>151024Dunbine
Billbine
Sirbine
No.151036
>>150858>posters who care more about 2D than 3D are astroturfing the shit out of thisExplain.
>>150992>>>150858 says everyone knows NAMBLA, ok, how is it that NAMBLA is even allowed to exist in the first place?Not only NAMBLA hasn't been active in decades, but every LGBT group kicked them and pedos as a whole out to save face.
>If some anti-shota nigger came to /cm/ and shat the place up, what would happen? Would the mods pull some "Both sides are just as bad as each other!!" crap or would they ban the troublemaker instead?This happens at least once a month, and while most of the time a mod manages to ban the instigator before the thread is derailed, there have been times where the entire thread is deleted if discussion goes "too far", sometimes even banning other people that took part in the argument.
>Too often with lolicon it's moderated like the former and not the latter.Because lolicons ALWAYS bite the bait. Every time a troll says "loli is pedophilia" or "that's a child" he gets multiple replies, and while in some boards like /a/ he gets banned for trolling, the retards that replied to his posts continue the argument without him until everyone loses interest in the thread or a mod deletes it. This behavior happens in shota and gay threads too, especially in trap/twink/femboy threads that have a bigger normaltard population, but not with the absurd frequency of loli threads.
No.151038
>>151037Why the fuck did I post that picture twice?
No.151044
>>151037Well, people having 4chan-inspired battles over this stuff is pretty new here. Actual moderation would probably need to stop in if talk like this became common.
People should just talk about something else.
No.151045
what was that test board 4chan's software was being tested on?
No.151049
>>151037>>151044If there's gonna be a rule against it, it only needs to be one-sided. Nobody trolls this place by saying that loli is good.
No.151050
>>151037It doesn’t need to be filtered. It’s useful for singling out who to ban.
No.151053
>>151052And like 10000 of the posts were deleted too.
No.151054
>>151052Did they ever find out what Goku was thinking during that moment?
No.151056
>>151022wapchan has a /fit/ thread on their generals board
https://wapchan.org/gens/res/1733.html No.151059
>>151054the world may never know.
No.151061
holy fuck I am losing my mind. the snoring in the room next door is penetrating the walls. it’s insane that anyone can snore this loudly.
No.151069
>>151068Shut up old hag!
You should try fitting in with the youth!
No.151070
>>151069Don't talk to my mother like that!
No.151084
>>151036Change the order of 2D and 3D. I obviously fucked that up.
No.151088
>>151080Maybe the bulk of the first wave posters were Majority American, and now other posters from other parts of the world have found their way to their preferred altchans?
Or maybe now that people have settled in, people feel more comfortable posting in their usual threads all day long, even during slower hours?
>>151082lel
No.151094
>>151091I will hold until it bumps a bit, then sell.
No.151095
>>151036>Every time a troll says "loli is pedophilia" or "that's a child" he gets multiple replies, Also, what makes you think that's an anti-loli troll? These could be pro-pedo posters replying to each other as well.
Posters like that who explain their strategy in pic related.
No.151096
it's so over
No.151100
>>151091kissu is reclining
No.151102
>>151101Marge doesn't count the new board yet.
No.151104
>>151102They probably never will and I'm reluctant to send a message to a member of the soy party.
The only thing to say in addition is that kissu peaks a lot harder when things are happening and becomes the #3 imageboard on that list.
No.151107
>>151104>I'm reluctant to send a message to a member of the soy partyAre you afraid the hacker known as soyjak dot party will hack you via email? He's gonna backtrace you?
No.151108
>>151107We don't get along with them. They're nuisances on the imageboard space
No.151109
>>151107They're psychopathic enough with a large personal army at their disposal that I'd actually avoid any contact.
No.151110
>>150983He has a daughter
No.151111
>>151110What that ever confirmed? It could have been a kid from a friend.
No.151112
>>151107No, but you wouldn't shake hands with a leper
No.151114
this leper just leped me
No.151115
I got spermed by the spermer
No.151118
>>151113moot has only been seen with one kid not 12
No.151119
>>151118what did he mean by this??
No.151120
>>151119He is not a slut after all.
No.151121
>>150983he got fired from Google? already?
No.151122
>>1511212021.
Also his wikipedia article has this fun bit:
>Poole announced that he had been hired by Google in an undisclosed position,[2] a decision that was met with anger from Google employees. Google's hiring of Poole was seen as endorsing the doxxing, harassment, and hate speech perpetrated by 4chan's users. No.151125
I just thought about something. There seems to be a general trend going towards a rebrand for 4chan. What are the odds that this is a first step towards hiro selling it off later?
No.151128
>>151125A rebrand implies effort and I would say the 4chan administration is ruled by the law of minium effort.
No.151129
>>151125>There seems to be a general trend going towards a rebrand for 4chan.What in the world gave you this idea
No.151130
>>151125A rebrand? Why? Is this a joke about companies trashing successful brands due to dumb managers and losing money because of it?
No.151136
>>151132Thanks, I always forget to check wapchan.
I'm interested in general whether altchans see a spike in traffic on the weekend. Only time will tell I suppose.
No.151145
>>151132Wapchan's traffic mainly came from the /f1/ general migrating there.
No.151146
I know I'm the only /sci/borg on kissu, but I want to know if anything regarding /sci/ has come to light given how badly mismanaged the board has been over the past few years.
No.151155
>>151149neet chads understand how uncomfortable the idea of having to work is
No.151156
>>1511494mods are what happens when it's both malice and stupidity
No.151157
>>151156they're yukkuri shitheads
No.151159
>>151155rapeape isn't a NEET because he's actually getting paid
No.151160
>>1511468/sci/ is slowly increasing in traffic. Still slow but I think there is your best bet. The sharty also has a science board but it's pretty dead
No.151161
>>151159the luckiest neets are getting paid to do nothing. they are often called remote workers
No.151163
>>151161If you're employed you aren't a NEET, by definition
No.151168
>NEET chads
oxymoron
No.151170
>>151160I know /sfg/ is there but they don't have much info last time I checked
No.151180
HOLY HELL CHINA IS FULL OF FEMININE BOYS
No.151182
should replace this thread with /nah/ when 4chan comes back...
No.151183
https://sys.4chan.org/a/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=1Resolving sys.4chan.org (sys.4chan.org)... 104.16.228.229, 104.16.229.229
Connecting to sys.4chan.org (sys.4chan.org)|104.16
.228.229|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
Saving to: ‘imgboard.php?mode=rep
ort&no=1’
No.151184
<span style="color: red;" id="errmsg">Performing site maintenance. Try again in
a little while.</span>
No.151186
What do I poll now to check if the site is back? So annoying.
No.151187
>>151180Prove it. Post them on
>>>/megu/2316 No.151188
SAW the edit
No.151189
I visited megu once and now I've got a raging boner, guys help, what do
No.151190
HE SAW HE SAW HE SAW
No.151192
this boner just boned me
No.151194
im gonna keep moving non-happening posts out of the happenings thread....
No.151195
>>151194my erection is a very big happening
No.151196
cocks happening thread
No.151197
Was kissu always this gay, or is it a new thing?
No.151199
So nobody cares that sys.4chan.org suddenly changed from 403 to showing a proper error message?
No.151200
>>151199Is it up? No? Everyone knows it's going to come back at some point.
No.151201
>>151199https://4chan.org/ you found a new URL or something with a red text error message instead of a black one
No.151202
https://sys.4chan.org/a/ actually it looks like they put their sys server back up or something
No.151203
>>151200Yes, but it's a sign someone is working on it.
>>151201sys.4chan.org is the actual server responsible for posting, unlike most others which are cloudflare cached. At least I assume so.
No.151205
why are you guys SO FUCKING GAY
No.151207
>>151206They're getting prepared
No.151208
>>151207...for the static site.
No.151216
Guys, it's up.
No.151217
>>151209I expect /a/ to have a wall of Tenshi posts.
No.151219
Exciting 2 minutes. I expect it says posting is down.
No.151221
The captcha timer counts down, when it's over you click get captcha, and it counts down again.
No.151223
>>151221Fuck, I really wanted to get the first post in /sfg/
No.151224
Actually it's back. The captcha timer is very fucky.
No.151225
Not even going to take a peek. This is my main message board now...
No.151228
>>151224I think rather the posts are from 4chan pass users
No.151231
Welp, I suppose I'll know by tomorrow what the effects on the altchans will be, a bit sooner than I expected.
No.151234
/f/ is still alive... For now.
No.151235
/qa/ deleted
No.151236
>>151216It really is. Posting works, too.
I hate how normal it feels, like nothing ever happened.
No.151247
Is this 2min for every post now, or do the mods just not like my IP (understandable I liked shitposting)?
No.151251
>>151235And /f/ is still there too.
No.151252
>>151249Fuck it I'm staying.
No.151254
I can't believe it came back already. I won't be posting on kissu as much as I was planning, but I will definitely still be coming back here at least occasionally
No.151256
>>151247Seems like it, although the first 15 minute timer is also reduced to 2 minutes.
Will be interesting to see how this affects board activity in a few days.
No.151258
>>151254why do you want to punish yourself by using it
No.151274
>>151258Different anon, but in the end, some topics for discussion can only really survive on a site as fast as 4chan. We'll see if traffic has plummetted, though.
No.151299
>>151254and it just went back down
captcha won't load
No.151300
It's malfunctioning again. I wonder if it's just from the load or shit isn't fixed yet and this was just a test.
No.151317
>>151300The fact that they confirmed in the IRC that /f/ wasn't coming back corroborates the leaked email that said the plan was to have a read only version of the site up by Sunday. Either this is a test or the schedule got pushed up because Hiro was afraid of losing his passive income source.
No.151323
>142 Posts/hr
we're so back
No.151330
>>151274it's plummeted because the bots aren't turbo posting again yet. The vast majority of the 'discussion' on that website hasn't been real for the last decade. They were using so-called AI/LLMs to shit up various boards for years before they started talking about it in the mainstream. Some anons on what I guess they'd call an 'alt-chan' now stumbled upon thousands of social media accounts using AI generated images to fake backstories for the glowniggers embedded within various countries way back in about 2012.
You don't need 'fast' posting for 'some discussions and topics'. You've just been trained through bot posting for years to expect it. Look at these modern chat rooms for live streams. There is nothing of value being posted in them and it's impossible to have a real discussion with another user. It's just a bunch of bots spamming and real users parroting the same spam to fit-in.
Furthermore, by continuing to use services and platforms like 4chan and mainstream social media you only further help to ruin what is left of the real internet. Since they're training their bots on your replies and pushing faked 'viral content' through it. Never mind the fact that of the few real users left most are just namefags from elsewhere trying to push various agendas on a place where they feel like what they post won't come back to haunt him. Take /cgl/ board for example. Compare it to the reddit for gothic lolita and cosplay (whatever it's called can't remember off the top of my head). You'll quickly notice it's the same people, complaining about the same bullshit. Very little discussion to be had at all. You can't even compliment someone's outfit anymore without a bunch of back seat janitors and bots being used to shout you down. Any time you post within any thread or board over on 4chan there are no fewer than 9,000 groups on discord and elsewhere instantly being alerted through things like google alerts that rush in to shit up discussion.
The best thing for everyone is if it dies for good and if people stop feeding it. Since 4chan is mainly used to farm meta data and beta test bots and other things that end up being used against so-called normal people days-weeks-months later. It only serves as a way to push propaganda and collect information about the users.
Just take a look at what the required javascript it runs in your browser at all times is doing sometime. It constantly eats up your CPU because it's running the background collecting anything it can get access to through your web browser. Your mouse movements, your webcam, your mic, the things you type and anything it can gather from your system is being recorded and studied by various organizations. I'm surprised more people haven't sounded the alarm about it with the recent hack. But I guess everyone was more focused on trolling through the PHP code. Plus the javascript is harder to go through with the way it is coded which hides a lot of what it does and the exploits it's using to access parts of your system its not supposed to. In fact, on the OS I use 4chan can't even function correctly. It will crash Firefox all of the time if I have a tab open because of pledge and unveil not allowing it to do certain things or access data in the file system. In the OS I use if an application does no-no things it crashes and core dumps.
Seriously, you should not use it or any of these major 'platforms'. The internet will only continue to get worse and worse if you do. You make things worse for everyone in the long run by participating.
No.151333
Some stickies got deleted too. Like the /mu/ one disappeared.
No.151341
The entire /tv/ catalog is locked threads now.
No.151344
>>151341And now they just got deleted.
No.151346
I was hoping 4chan would stay down for at least a month...
No.151351
>>151336I'm honestly more relieved to see posting locked again than I was to see it back up. It's a strange feeling.
No.151360
>>151330Not reading past the first words but come on, it came back online less than an hour ago and it's still unstable, give it at least a few hours before declaring the post rate has permanently plummeted.
No.151372
All /a/ threads got moved to /g/ for some reason. That's a weird one.
No.151379
I think it's funny.
Very funny.
Hopefully the site got even worse than before.
I want to see how much they are going to endure.
Mandatory ID pics would be funny.
No.151384
>>151372I managed to catch this for a second before they fixed it.
No one else will believe you but I want you to know I saw it anon.
No.151387
>>151384They didn't fix it. You can still see it.
No.151412
>poor /po/ got fucked in the end
They don't deserve this.
No.151418
How will archives handle this?
No.151430
>>151405Found and widely linked more than a week ago. Incredible. It's like they're really testing in production without even patching the low hanging fruit first.
>>151418Don't they always keep both copies of moved threads?
No.151438
>>151274like what? im tired of the ragebaits and the trolls/bots that the mods protect and are probably taking bribes from
No.151440
>>151330i guess the npc type really likes being alone in a crowd or in this case the illusion of a crowd
No.151443
>>151330This would make a good /x/ post.
No.151448
>>151405im amazed none of the autists had tried things like this in all these years
No.151457
>>151330Looking at /pol/ the catalog is already populated with nonsense bait threads as if nothing significant had ever even happened to the site.
No.151464
>4chan is now early access
No.151471
>>151330Is there any reason to assume any malicious actors aren't scraping information from places like Kissu as-well? Sites like this might not be active, but I don't think there's some massive additional cost to training bots on posts from every source imaginable (that's also probably desirable unless you're making site-specific bots). At best, you'd know it's unlikely you're replying to bots on websites like this, which is a positive, but I personally welcome my bot overlords and simulated interactions.
>>151438Generally speaking I think it tends to be discussion on topics which are somewhat niche but do have a following. If I want to talk about certain older games or anime on an imageboard after playing/watching them, my best bet is still 4chan. I also tend to find that there's less trolls and shitposters in those sorts of threads, since most of the time the trolls don't know to look out for those topics (not a guarantee, mind).
No.151473
>>151457/pol/ is the literal testing grounds for governments, glowniggers, and big corpos on how to create a bot-ridden dead internet
No.151474
Perhaps the future is running every submitted post through something like tegaki and giving it watermarks that make it hard for scraper AI to parse but most people could still instinctively understand.
No.151475
>>151471>Is there any reason to assume any malicious actors aren't scraping information from places like Kissu as-well?I reckon there are bots posting and observing nigh-on every website there is, at this point. Even the most niche websites are likely being monitored. Nothing is sacred on the internet, and nothing ever will be.
No.151476
>>151471>>151475It's old news that the NSA looked at every byte of the internet. Posting? Probably not so much, besides spammers.
No.151478
>>151471we could block every request originating from a server but we'd be blocking every VPN in existence too.
No.151479
So can we confirm if the /g/ full of /a/ stuff has to do with people improperly able to move threads? Or is it something else going on? I'm glad the site is back, but I'd rather them take the time to do it right rather than just slapping outdated and vulnerable stuff back together, especially now that a lot of things were dumped that basically undermines any faux-security through obscurity they were betting on in the past (not that they should have been in the first place).
I'm curious if they're going to do anything for Pass users privacy? Now my understanding is that at most they could associate the pass with an email address (all payment processing was done off site), right? Still, it seems they ought to do something to protect and encourage Pass users to return. They need to make the case to the general population that the site has been repaired, but Pass users have a financial and privacy implication too.
No.151482
>>151479We just don't know. Threads got moved back. Yuru Yuri was on multiple boards, now the same thread is 3 times on /a/.
I even saw an off-topic post getting deleted.
No.151486
>>151482I saw posts getting deleted quite fast, I hope they're not using AI jannies
No.151492
This is like the Dragon Break timewarp in Daggerfall where there’s multiple Numidium.
No.151504
Its frozen again.
No.151506
Can't post anymore, the captcha is dead.
And my IP range is now banned too?
No.151508
I don't think anyone can post right now
No.151510
>>151506congrats you struck the lottery almost immediately
maybe it'll just be for a little while but I remember mine was banned for at least a couple years
No.151513
>>151510It can't be right though. I live in butt-fuck nowhere and literally was never banned before.
Maybe the hacker banned a bunch of random IP ranges.
No.151516
It's not a fucking ip ban you retards.
Also, I can post again
No.151517
>>151513I also live in bumfuck nowhere and for a couple months my IP range was banned from posting images, so it can happen. Lord knows what the mods are thinking.
No.151518
This has gotta be the most pathetic re-opening of a website I've ever witnessed. How the hell did YTMND make a far more cool comeback?
No.151519
>>151518This performance today was so comical I'm not even mad.
No.151520
>>151515The numbers are interesting
No.151521
4chan status?
No.151526
>>151524stop posting this grifter
No.151527
>>151525Frogniggers deserve to be banned.
No.151528
>>151526how is a number making a post
No.151532
>>151525Why wasn't there any of this on 8chan?
No.151534
>>151525oh the frogs. i haven't seen a single one since that site went down
No.151535
>>151532culture war retards are too low IQ to find altchans.
No.151536
>>151525You know better. Stop trying to justify a horrible browsing experience and move on.
No.151537
>>151525And the worst part is I'll still go back to 4chan since the other places don't have nearly as much activity. I fucking hate myself.
No.151539
>>151537what kind of people are these terminal addicts that apparently just sit on the chans all day and seem to have no hobbies or anything at all outside of the adhd tier posting
No.151540
>>151537Remember you can still visit other places! You're not married to 4chan.
No.151542
>>151524For some reason it feels incredibly disgusting to me to hear a (fake) anime voice and avatar cuss in English.
No.151543
>>151539You just described me, I guess.
No.151545
>>151542The reason for it is that it is disgusting.
No.151548
>>151546Sorry, I'm not interested in playing volleyball.
No.151549
>>151546With all the drama surrounding it you'd think someone would make a successor to Nexus but nobody does.
No.151551
>>151515Wow look at those numbers
Anyways looking at the pph of 8chan I'm surprised at how little of an effect it had. These numbers seem about the exact same as they were at the same time yesterday.
No.151552
>>151540I'm going to pop the question to 4chan right now, actually.
No.151554
It does seem like the leak about 4chan being read only for now was true.
No.151555
purging some posts from the thread. New archive link
No.151556
>>151554Even /f/ is back.
No.151560
>>151554>>151556That one mod did confirm it on IRC, but maybe they were just trolling.
No.151561
>>151556No new posts on it, it's probably dead.
No.151569
>>151567>Performing site maintenance. Try again in a little while.yes it is
No.151577
>>151532There were some, but if you want to know why there are such few in comparison, it's because they
went to reddit No.151578
>>151577don't spoiler that let the sun shine on their sins
No.151586
>>151554I'm posting on it right now, but posts take a couple of minutes(!) to go through, and some threads aren't accepting replies at all.
I wish they'd post a post-mortem so I would know what to avoid if I ever launch an imageboard.
No.151593
>>151525I don't need to know the answer to this question since it's a remake and you should never buy those regardless of other factors, but I'm still curious as to the answer.
No.151595
Damn the /r/ sticky was deleted and they made a new one. I think that was one of the oldest posts on the site.
No.151596
>>151540Rule 10. If you enjoy any rival sites - DON'T.
No.151597
>oppai loli
hello, base department?
No.151601
>>151593Apparently they removed all female armour. Everyone's wearing male variants now.
No.151602
I guess the mods saw me complain about it and actually unbanned my IP-range
No.151603
>>151602would be one thing nice of them
No.151604
I don't think I'm going back.
No.151606
unless they had an issue with people being able to rangeban whoever
No.151607
>>151597Oppai loli are just shortstack cakes.
Change my mind.
No.151609
>>151595Most stickies were deleted or moved to /test/. In some cases, mods pinned a new thread but forgot to lock it:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/503281217/While in others
Also I got a mod to pin a sticky on /cm/ with an image of my sonfu:
https://boards.4chan.org/cm/thread/3962071 No.151611
>>151609Did you ask in IRC for them too?
No.151614
So, 4chan is back.
This is it then... I think I will miss you guys <(＿ ＿)>
No.151616
>>151601¥ Male bikini armor challengeI could get used to this whole modern gaming thing
No.151617
>>151614I'll probably be sticking here for the happenings and meta but yeah see you guys.
No.151620
>>151615True lolis are more erotic
No.151621
>>151601I hope Todd shrinks another 8 inches.
No.151625
According to 4stats ppm is 550, if this keeps up 4chan will have 792000 ppd, thats nearly 100000 more than prehack, 4chan is actually busier now
No.151627
>>151625hype and newcomers presumably
No.151628
>>151625horrible. imageboards scale so badly to that kind of activity and especially 4chan with their pathetic 10 pages and short threads
No.151629
>>151628>pathetic 10 pages and short threadszaaako zaaaako
No.151632
4/jp/ really isn't all that fast compared to what 4stats is saying
No.151637
>>151632Do you happen to have the dozen idol and hololive threads filtered? That there is 95% of 4/jp/'s speed. Between ghostposting several dead hololive threads with thousands of posts each and getting kicked off 8/jp/ I imagine they flooded back in as soon as they could.
No.151643
>>151630I would at least think it'd take like a day for news to spread that it's back
No.151646
>>151643Anon, we're not living in 2007 anymore. News probably spread through places like here that autistically track whether it's down or not and then spread through discords and then twitter and then reddit. The youtube norms will probably learn tomorrow though.
No.151648
>>151646So what you're saying is that tomorrow it's gonna be even more of a shitstorm?
No.151683
The monster girl thread at 4/jp/ seems to be deciding to fully leaving to capybara. They're holding a poll about it and most are saying yes to leaving.
No.151685
>>151683That'd be really revolutionary if true. You'd think most people would just stay on 4chan for the addiction to faster speeds.
No.151687
Don't know what I expected but it's a bit underwhelming.
No.151689
>>151685I'd leave 4chan if the few remaining good /sci/ posters congregated on mathchan and I could find a workers and resources discussion elsewhere. But that just isn't going to happen.
No.151692
>>151685I hope /a/ posters won't stay on 4chan, the mods delete so many cute and funny threads there
No.151694
>>151683Good. Even if the website survives it needs a few good kicks in the teeth in terms of long-term consequences, even if nothing is likely to come of it from the mods.
No.151696
Did the mods autosage the Touhou threads on /jp/?
No.151697
>>151696isn't that all of jp
No.151698
>>151697sans the generals, mostly
No.151699
>>151698the only threads I posted on jp where the touhou threads, no idea what else is there
it's literally the touhou board
No.151700
yeah I just tried bumping the thread about TH20 and it didn't work, unless there's a thread bump expiration timer I don't know about that's been implemented recently
https://boards.4chan.org/jp/thread/49300523#p49319608 No.151702
>>151700The gay ass mods made it so that you can't bump page 9-10 threads unless you're an old IP. Given that the site has been dead for 11 days, there aren't any new IPs so that thread will be sentenced to death.
Eitherway, that thread was made by a dumbass because that day there were 3 consecutive 600+ post threads about TH20 and every anon in those threads said not to bump that one.
No.151703
>>151702awesome, I love 4chan
No.151706
>>151702¥The gay ass mods made it so that you can't bump page 9-10 threads unless you're an old IPI need proof, its not that I don;t believe they'd do something that dumb but I need to know more.
No.151707
>>151706bump it yourself and see
No.151709
>>151707>>151708I guess I have to habeeb it
No.151713
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No.151714
>>151713why is /a/ so goddamn obsessed with shonen
No.151716
>>151714Because normalniggers
No.151722
>>151714Ignoring the historical board culture reasons
Shonen is simply a magnet for all kinds of annoying normalfags and outsiders - jujutsu kaisen underage posters, chainsaw man twitter people....
While most actual anons really aren't interested in following whatever the current shonen is.
No.151723
The sharty is under 50000 ppd, rapidly declining as soon as 4chan is back
No.151728
No point in even going back now, the altchans are so much better
No.151740
>>151723That's one hell of a decline. Guess they really were the ones mainly riding the wave of new fickle posters.
No.151741
>>151714They gaslit themselves into believing there was a magical beforetime where it was banned on sight and all of the board's woes are because moot let Naruto get posted there.
No.151748
>>1517334/jp/ looks pretty depressing right now. The board is completely deserted by mods and jannies since there are anons in the crying Tenshi taking a big fat dump on them and nobody is getting swept. I give it a week until usual enshittification continues.
No.151758
>>151748>anons in the crying Tenshi What is the crying Tenshi? Sorry, I'm not a jp regular.
No.151768
>>151748I find the shitters trying to cling onto their fiefdom amusing.
¥ nobody is leaving, only shitposters are trying to divide and conquer with their altchans, they'll go back to 0 pph in a week trust meThere is some truth to what they say, It's a given some are going back, but it's also not like previous outages either. The awareness of the rotting floorboards is well known and this is on top of a long trend of growing discontent. Many will go back, but I bet you there's going to be a lot more hybrid posting.
No.151771
>>151768>only shitposters are trying to divide and conquer with their altchansAs we all know, altchans are notorious for having negligent moderation compared to 4chin.
No.151808
A bit sad how immediately after 4ch came back up it was flooded with twitterfags and low quality ragebait posts. I guess it was naive to think the downtime would filter some of those people.
No.151810
>>151808I'm more surprised by anyone except shitposters coming back.
No.151812
>>151810there are niche hobbies or subjects that are too dead to discuss anywhere else
No.151819
>>151810From my interactions not everyone was aware or had an altchan to go to, so it's only natural they go back to the only place they know. Though there's plenty of us that intend to change that. I'm more surprised that the meta thread on 4/jp/ is still up. Talking about how awful the website has become and altchans you can go to is the hot topic there. I imagine it's—as always—the few janitors or mods who watch /jp/ are more preoccupied with herding their vtuber colony than doing anything about the board.
No.151821
>>151819I've noticed in the past /jp/ is one of the few places where you can have an undercover stealth meta thread that lasts for a long while. Probably because the jannies are really too busy babysitting their favorite generals and the mods are all on bigger boards.
>>151622Historic win for cute boyposters everywhere.
No.151822
>>151819I didn't know any either but thankfully raiders linked 4chanX list, so I ended up coming here and discovering other altchans. Also people shared their preferred bunkers in ghost posts.
No.151826
>>151812Altchans prove this is not the case, as well as Discord, Twitter, or Instagram. We're just higher quality and with actual proper moderation
No.151874
I'm going to try and not go back at all
No.151876
>>151874I'm definetly not going back.
No.151885
>>151884Yeah I'm getting the impression we just need to tell as many /jp/sies as possible to make the move to places like here. It getting hacked again is an inevitability not a possibility
Wonder if 103anon went to any other altchans
No.151887
>>151884>An attacker can set e.g. '?admin=1'As in, in the header of any HTTP GET or POST request to the site, by any user? And it took this long to be exploited?
No.151888
>>151885And we got lucky the soyteen who first hacked 4chan wasn't looking for the personal info of normal users, but God knows what a more malicious shartyfag could do. I'm not risking getting my IP expossed let alone keep paying my 4chan pass just so a mentally deficient teen can track me down. I'm not going back.
No.151889
>>151885103 was also at the kissu/jp/ and at 8/jp/ and 8/v/. I will try to spread the word that the shithole is really still not ready to fully be over the hack. Wouldn't surprise me if they really only patched the main vulnerability that lead to the site getting hacked and then rushed to get it functional
No.151890
>>151888Kissu mods are hacking your IP right now, you can say goodbye to all your base.
No.151891
>>151884Rushing to get 4chan back online quick and dirty is a mistake.
No.151892
The blog speech was cool and all but then I hear "community" and look at /v/ for a second and laugh at the idea. The fact that most anons went to the soy site during the downtime is not a good sign either. "Hey, while you were all away, we collectively decided to get brain damage"
No.151893
>>151890I trust the Kissu mods more than I trust the 4chan mods.
No.151894
>>151888>And we got lucky the soyteen who first hacked 4chan wasn't looking for the personal info of normal usersthat people believe this blows my fucking mind
>nyooo please dont change your passwords or payment information :^) Im just a heckin wholesome and friendly whitehat hacker looking to doxx the fuck out of le evil jannies so they can get swatted No.151895
>>151894Of course one shouldn't trust such a person, that's why I deleted the email asociated with my 4chan pass. The fact of the matter is that if someone was able to break in then who knows whatever more people already did or will do it in the future. I can't trust 4chan ever again because they're lazy and uncaring.
No.151897
>>151884This was predictable though.
Surely it didn't take the 4chan devs over a week to just put up the same buggy codebase again.
Surely they spent that time to hire competent engineers to completely comb through the codebase for these obvious exploits fixing and/or rewriting parts of the code.
Surely...
No.151898
>>151884I still have my doubts about the original "hack" and this similarly seems like something that either has been fixed or will be fixed soon.
No.151900
>8/a/ is 37 post per hour
>4/a/ is 660 posts per minute
IDfags lost.
No.151901
>>151900so one is readable and one is not. you can't read hundreds of posts per minute
No.151902
>>151900IDs taught me something.
On one hand they are good for keeping everyone in check as now you have to think before you post, so the result is a more readeable thread with good discussion
On the other hand, now you can't really express your feelings fully as now you have a post history and anyone can see it
No.151903
>>151900>per minuteper hour*
No.151904
>>151902if IDs are per-thread that's hardly a problem....
No.151905
the only thing about 4chan i find impressive is how little resources it uses. thing ran perfectly smoothly on 15 years old servers handling hundreds of posts per minute. these new javascript based chanwares could never do the same
No.151906
>>151900>660Also even this is wrong. What the fuck am I doing? It's 13 posts per minute, which is 780 posts per hour.
No.151907
>>151904I can see it becoming an issue in generals with hundreds of posts and on slower boards where threads lasts for months, ie the only reason you would use 4chan in the first place since outside of these its completely abhorrent
No.151908
>>151895>that's why I deleted my email asociated with my 4chan passthat reminds me I've been meaning to change my email address because I made it when I was a kid and just wanted to sign up to play Planetside so it literally has my name in it which is very bad for anonymity and I've been trying to clean up any potential trails like that but I've heard google doesn't let you make new email accounts anymore without having to verify it with your phone. Wondering if it's worth the headache
Also wondering how many alt emails one should have in general
Know this isn't exactly the right thread to ask but this doesn't feel like it deserves a thread on its own for it
No.151909
>>151905everything is bloated to shit these days, it's well known
No.151910
>>151904On slow threads that last weeks or months it is a problem
No.151912
>>151908>Also wondering how many alt emails one should have in generalOne for each and every thing and website you interact with
>GmailNew accounts are highly restricted without a SIM card and they're slowly taking away my access to the hundreds I've made over the years since first getting in when it was invite only.
If you'd like a stable anonymous email address there are some old school UNIX/Computer clubs still around that accept cash. In addition to email you get shell access and other goodies. You can mail them cash for payment. It doesn't cost much at all.
https://sdf.org/I've been a member and maintained an account with them since the early 90s.
No.151913
>>151912gaymail really got shit when they started to collect phone numbers. now if you ever get logged out you might get back in after waiting a week
No.151914
>>151912Don't know too much about UNIX looks like I'll have to learn
No.151915
>>151912https://sdf.org/?joinMeant to link to join/pricing page. As you can see it's cheap. Lifetime email, USENET, shell and access to tons of other stuff for about $30. They offer DNS and many other services for fair yearly rates. Everyone I've met through it over the years has been very nice.
I've been considering opening up a similar pay/invite-only club for otaku for a few years now but I can't find the time to throw everything together. I would follow the same model but offer some type of web access as well most likely. I was going to get started a few months ago but something came up.
My idea was basically to invite about 10-20 people to start then dole out invites to them over time based on their posting history. Fully anonymous chat/forum/boards/comments. Torrent tracker and many other things. But requiring an account log-in to gain access. But members wouldn't know who each other were when using the actual private website/club. Allow all web based stuff to be accessed through terminal applications so it works everywhere as well. If someone invites someone else that causes problems you punish the user causing issues along with whomever invited them (probably with a timeout at first).
I also wanted to set-up a private jellyfin server where we could curate content and all members could stream it to any device they owned. In addition to many other features. But I'm busy and it'll take more money than I have at the moment to get it going. Since I'd have to rent a lot of VPSs and buy some new servers (and many HDDs) to host at home. That way we could have anti-ddos and propagation while I retain full control over the servers and access to them. It's possible for me to do this now that I have fiber in my home.
If you're interested in helping out let me know.
No.151916
>>151914You don't need to be into UNIX and tech stuff to use the email service. But you'd be missing out on a lot of features if you didn't. The email can be accessed over SMTP/POP3 like any other email service and it'll work with any email client you have installed including things like Outlook and Thunderbird.
I personally use neomutt though and encourage you to learn more about older software. Since it's typically better than modern shitware and most of the old internet still lives there uncensored. For example, there is absolutely no reason to fool around with torrents because everything you could find through them (both public and private) is sitting on USENET just waiting for your to download it. The USENET servers are much much faster too without any requirement to seed/use your own upstream bandwidth or maintain a ratio. Same goes for XDCC bots on IRC.
No.151917
>>151915reminds me i should probably move my domain elsewhere as the current host got greedy and started charging extra for the mail and now its kinda expensive
No.151918
>>151915I thought that people who try to host their own email servers have a very difficult time of it because the big providers do not treat their emails as being trustworthy. How can you avoid that?
No.151919
>>151916I think I will learn more about this kind of stuff. Feels like everywhere's getting worse and worse over time
No.151920
>>1519054chan has an extremely simple design. Most of it can be cached aggressively, even the damn API. The board site and the API are just a bunch of html and json files that are updated by the server and then can be cached by a reverse proxy. The actual server, which can't be cached, is only needed for posting and reporting. Maybe even the actual server has multiple instances, because it uses a SQL server, which could take of concurrency, but I suspect they're not doing that.
No.151923
>>151917SDF is probably worth looking into then. You get lifetime access to their email service for $30something life time. Then DNS+domain is only like $30 more yearly. Not a bad deal at all and it has a long track record of not screwing over the users of it. The servers are also very stable and it's very doubtful they'll ever be hacked into again. Since we went through a transition from Linux to NetBSD servers way back in the 90s or early 2000s due to how bad the Linux kernel is.
>>151918You are not hosting the email yourself. You're buying access to the computer club's servers and can either use their domain or your own (for an extra fee). The servers are 'trusted' by all major providers.
Hosting your own email is a bit of a pain yes but it's still doable if you want to do it at home. A lot of people host their own email server at home and route it through the computer club. Others got 100% self hosted but it's a lot to manage and it takes a lot of leg work to prevent your mail from going to spam at places like gmail. But it's still possible. But I and a lot of other people just prefer to off load the work for a small one time fee to the computer club.
>>151919It's worth your time. We've been on the various old communication channels for years gawking at the state of the web. Even back in the 90s when forums were taking off we were warning people what would happen. We warned them about google adsense and the commercialization and the censorship. Most didn't listen.
The big upside is the fact that it takes a little effort and know how to access all the old channels like BBSs, USENET, private mailing groups, some IRC channels and the old networks like fidonet. So there are far less idiots around. Although spam is an issue on some of them. USENET used to be really really good before the waves of spam. But since it was impossible to censor certain parties resorted to mass spamming to drive users away to things like social media.
Also the attitude is different. Instead of overt moderation we have personal 'killlists'. So you basically moderate the content yourself mostly automatically. In that respect the spam isn't a major issue. It just takes awhile to build up your own killlist. Some gateways to these networks also do this automatically for you. But with USENET in particular things are starting to condense into a handful of providers now. With USENET access what you're paying for is 'retention'. Which is how long the servers keep old messages around. So a file from say 10 years ago might not be reachable. But anything popular is constantly re-uploaded anyway.
No.151931
>>151924>>151925>>151926>>151927>>151929Looks like altchans managed to retain some people
No.151932
>>151924It's bouncing downhill... it's so over...
No.151933
> Final Solution to Performance Issues Coming This Weekend
Nice joke 8chan, but you won't need it.
No.151934
>>151826well, I tried making a thread for said niche hobby on kissu and the thread peaked with 3 replies. it's easier to get more interaction on 4chan for certain things.
No.151935
Vichan is fairly well tested. Problems with it were exposed by it becoming the basis for 8kun's software. And hotwheels diehard believing it's the greatest thing ever... For better or worse... Means he looked at a lot of issues about it until giving up.
Vichan at the current version before sharty related people started offering to help keep it going are likely all safe.
But people related to them have boasted about unknown vulnerabilities which we brushed off as just them trying to collect clout and reward money. They haven't used them yet if they even exist.
Kissu doesn't run any of it's content at root level and everything has users; all the images uploads are running at 0644 being processed on post by generic tooling which appear to have no major CVEs. I won't post our software's version number of course though...
It's not doable short-term but we're going to rip out all of vichan's moderation and tooling, instead using locally written stuff.
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https://github.com/vichan-devel/vichan/blob/master/static/doc/timeline.svg No.151938
Shouldn't the ephemeral nature of image boards mean that security issues almost don't matter? Just don't be so stupid to keep relatively important information like staff emails on the image board server.
No.151939
>>151920i wonder why more implementations don't do that. if you can avoid rendering every single page for everyone that doesn't hit the cache it seems silly to not do that
No.151940
>>151939Don't they? I always assumed vichan and LynxChan sends cached .html and .json files whenever possible.
No.151941
>>151935proper configuration and a well maintained system takes you far. it tends to take a while before there are exploits in the form that anyone can just google pdf exploit etc to pull off their thing
No.151942
>>151933its unfortunate that its mostly life havers that run these. ideally it would be some autistic neet with time to perfect it all but for him it would be far too expensive to run such a high bandwidth site
No.151943
>>151940they do. All imageboard software to my knowledge uses disk caching in the form of json files and some go further with RAM caching through various systems like varnish or redis
No.151944
>>151943Liveposting boards can't do that for sure. Even 8chan tries to use an extremely inefficient websocket for auto updates.
No.151945
>>151944well, it's a bit less black and white when you throw in websockets...
No.151948
Shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone but everything besides the gatcha board on 8moe are way down in terms of activity. I'm fine with gatchafags staying there.
No.151949
Also, 4chan uses different domains for each functional part, which implies different servers. But maybe that doesn't matter with reverse proxies, which could just pass through uncachable requests to the post server, also sys.4chan.org and boards.4chan.org both resolve to the same 2 IP addresses. Why 2?
No.151951
>>151944Actually what you say is kinda of strange because websockets combined with caching is going to be a superior option to what we use on the modern UI even... because we have to poll a 96byte file which ends up being 0.96kb due to request headers.
It's just that working with websockets adds complexity that no small team should deal with
No.151955
>>151951>Actually what you say is kinda of strange because websockets combined with caching is going to be a superior option to what we use on the modern UI even...How? You need to keep a TCP socket open, on the actual server (or a custom reverse proxy which you have to develop and have servers for), for every single lurker.
>because we have to poll a 96byte file which ends up being 0.96kb due to request headers.4chan seems to use only half of this.
No.151956
>>151943Is this why my pc makes reading noises when scrolling down a page? (I only notice when I'm in complete silence and with no headphones)
No.151959
>>151954It seems there's been a good amount of retention in 8chan. Bots are also restarting. Dogshit status quo will return in a couple of days.
No.151965
>>151955I don't see where you're getting those numbers. It does cut out 100bytes by probably only reading response header data. It's essentially not important though.
The consistent problem with having an info.json file is that browsers have to open up a new port 80 socket and verify SSL every few seconds as apposed to holding a socket.
No.151966
ah, and I'm also saying that the websocket should only be used to verify when there's new data and then fetch information from JSON or HTML files.
>>151956no. very different
No.151973
>>151948Interesting to also note that 8/erp/ is seemingly still growing. Looks to be just the f-list general from 4/trash/ pretty much though
No.151978
I honestly wish it had just stayed down forever. The site was never good and we were all just too blind to see it
No.151980
>>151978It was always shit but funposting was at least largely common throughout all boards. Now there's practically no funposting, just raging at retards.
No.151981
>>151980*raging at retards on twitter
No.151982
Why are some Anonymous names in blue and others in green here?
No.151983
>>151982Sage vs not sage.
No.151984
>>151981Could also be raging at retarded journos or raging at retarded e-celebs. That's why I just say retards in general.
No.151985
>>151983But I didn't write sage, I have noko
No.151986
>>151985this thread has a system were posts are only not-sage every 30 minutes
No.151996
>>151965I looked at a 4chan thread update. It says 461 bytes request headers, 875 bytes response headers. I looked only at the request headers.
The response header is full of unneeded shit like cookies, but it's all on cloudflare anyway. If kissu is close to it, there's no reason to complain I guess.
>>151966A websocket requires the server to maintain an open TCP connection. I'm not convinced that this is more efficient than HTTP/2 or /3, which can possibly keep the TCP (or UDP) connection open without needing extra server side logic to listen to and to handle web socket requests.
But I don't know a lot about webshit. I'm interested in learning whether my assumptions are correct or bullshit.
No.151997
>>151979If you like it so much then why not post there instead
No.151998
>>151997I can both in both and there's no contradiction
No.152001
>>151996right. Ballpark similar for request-response. Not really worth concerning.
In a language with garbage collection, the open connection is actively using CPU as it's resources have to be maintained. So it has to maintain some structs.
When the user requests or terminates the connection then there's a function call to remove the data.
Likewise adding the data is a function call.
But there's not really much happening at all if you just do it all in C or Rust. Which is why the Meguca liveboard software was written in Rust as apposed to something like Go.
The main overhead is RAM and most imageboards don't have co-located servers where they get to stick 258GB or RAM into the box and handle everything. So yeah. You are correct in the assumption.
However, right now there are IDK how many people lurking the thread(another thing sockets are good for is accurately counting lurkers) and each one of those is forging an HTTPS request to the server and we have to decrypt it using out private key and then return back some generic information from NGINX about what is inside info.json. So what is better? 20IPs making one request and then holding that information in RAM or 20IPs making 10 requests per second ?
It's very implementation specific. I would say in the case of Lynx who are having to hold the socket info into Javascript objects is not actually lending well to the strengths of the language
No.152002
>>151978yeah i was hoping for this too. Probably better for internet culture that we all migrate to altchans while the worst people go to shitter
No.152007
Also there is some sort of HTTP websocket mechanisms that do exist in browsers. So you bind to port 80/443 while on a site and that way you just push-pull
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Keep-AliveBut you don't get that in Windows
No.152011
Furthermore with other mechanisms of browsers we can limit the user of a website to only ever consume one websocket no matter how many tabs they have open. This is pretty advanced client side Javascript which helps mitigate the problems of sockets. It's also a pain in the ass to maintain, but goes without saying
No.152028
>>1520014chan has 430 posts per minute right now, or when I started writing this post. That implies at least over 400 users. How many lurkers are there? We probably don't know. Your 20 IPs are puny compared to this. You need a lot of websocket connections, each is at least a TCP socket, which requires lots of OS resources and some server software resources. The server has to manage to write updates to all of them. It has to deal with congested and timing out connections. And all without caching.
With polling for updates, you can avoid all this complexity and just let the reverse proxy deal with it. It's incredibly simple and effective and requires no extra work, because you can simply use a standard reverse proxy, either by running it yourself (maybe nginx is what you would use?) or an external service like cloudflare.
There's also another technique the Push_notifications wikipedia page reminded me off: with chunked transfers the server can keep sending updates, which is perhaps slightly simpler than websockets, but still isn't easy to cache.
>>152007Websocket is a different protocol, even though it's initiated through HTTP. With Keep-Alive you could avoid the TCP/SSL connecting process while nothing changes on the application-level logic (responding to HTTP requests), which is a win.
No.152031
>>152028Yes. I use push notifications in other projects. It's basically the same with a few less functions.
Do you think that because NGINX exists as a black box that it's implementation is trivial or something? It goes without saying that handling that many users is a difficulty regardless of which solution you use.
Do you think a service like Discord is impossible to run because it has likely a million socket connections being maintained? We can debate the whole cache thing as well and what it really means to be disk caching something.
No.152035
>>151978I wanted it to stay down too but not for any of that gay shit. I just wanted to see how the imageboard sphere eventually settled down post 4chan. With it back up I know the most likely outcome is that network effects kill off the altchans again. Thats boring.
No.152052
>>152031nginx is just something you can use for doing the reverse proxy. The actual advantage is that you can setup multiple servers that do caching. They will bear the main load. You can even organize them hierarchically. A root caching server polls the server running the image board software. All other caching servers access the root cache to update themselves. The point is that you don't need to reinvent the wheel. Using web sockets just doesn't let you use the wheel that was invented for you to make your life easier.
Discord is not managing millions of connections from a single server either, but it's off-topic.
No.152054
>>152052yeah, I understand and you're right about the benefits of using NGINX and reverse proxies to be an intermediary for static information. But when you refresh a page on JSChan(what zzzchan uses) it does not establish a socket and then pull in information. (I'm not sure if even discord does this to be honest). It pulls information through either the server or a reverse proxy based off of JSON or HTML files stored to disk and then it establishes a connection to a socket for update checking.
If there is an update then, regardless of if you use polling or sockets, someone has to read the new data to RAM and serve it to everyone. In the case of a websocket you do indeed need to manage it all yourself and it is probably not as efficient as NGINX or Apache or Cloudflare, but it is doable if you put in the efforts and do not write it in (LOL) javascript.
I also want to point out that you practically can not cache the catalog of /v/ because it changes every second. Even on slower boards such as /jp/ it is changing so quickly that caching it is wasted effort. You can not cache 4chan. it is futile. You might as well keep the entire site in RAM and just serve it on the fly with JSON as a fallback solution.
No.152057
and well... if it's all in RAM anyways then you might as well use websockets as well...
But to be a bit more critical, I guess there is room for caching 4chan, but through a reverse proxy... 4chan doesn't even using NGINX it uses Apache with Cloudflare. And Cloudflare is there for the images. The HTML and JSON files are pretty simple, sure you should cache them somehow if possible, but the cache is going to be invalidated any moment now
No.152058
and yeah. One last counterpoint on the maintenance of sockets. A request to a website on :443 is a socket and that has to be timed out too. All requests are sockets, a websocket is just one held indefinetly on a wait with data stored to a socketfile and not eliminated as soon as it gets data. Plus with some upstream functionality. It's nothing really that special, it's just a pain to work with, as you said with how it's much simpler and standardized to do an HTTPS request.
Still the original point was about performance and as I said, the main issue with websockets is that you need a lot more RAM. Actually maintaining the sockets isn't too bad if you're not having to deal with the GC. Anyways, that's my practical experience and theoretical knowledge on it
No.152062
>>151891They probably didn't feel they had a choice. Being down two whole weeks would have done even more damage to their userbase and there's no way they can get it back since the only reason they had it in the first place was momentum.
No.152064
>>152054>In the case of a websocket you do indeed need to manage it all yourself and it is probably not as efficient as NGINX or Apache or Cloudflare, but it is doable if you put in the efforts and do not write it in (LOL) javascript.My point is that it will not scale. You'll probably start implementing your own caching server hierarchy if your chan grows too large.
>I also want to point out that you practically can not cache the catalog of /v/ because it changes every second. Even on slower boards such as /jp/ it is changing so quickly that caching it is wasted effort. You can not cache 4chan. it is futile. You might as well keep the entire site in RAM and just serve it on the fly with JSON as a fallback solution.When you write a file to disk, it still can stay in the RAM. All server OSes maintain a filesystem cache, that keeps frequently used files in RAM. Even if you "keep the site in RAM", you probably want to keep it in a rendered state somewhere. A second is a long time, you probably don't want to rerender the site for every request. Ideally storing the pre-rendered HTML somewhere and letting highly optimized software (like the OS and the web server) handle returning these pre-renderered pages to the hundreds of requests per second, maybe more, and here you're back with the files approach.
>and well... if it's all in RAM anyways then you might as well use websockets as well... Then you can't cache things again.
>A request to a website on :443 is a socket and that has to be timed out too. All requests are sockets, a websocket is just one held indefinetly on a wait with data stored to a socketfile and not eliminated as soon as it gets data.Which makes it more complicated software-wise. Normal http requests are temporary, the resources can be immediately refused. Websockets are permanent and consume OS resources which you may find to be surprisingly heavy.
This all reminds me of the HLS video streaming protocol. It does a ridiculous thing and splits the video into hundreds of small files, instead of just streaming the video directly like older protocols like RTP. Why did they do it? Because they could reuse the whole HTTP caching infrastructure that cheaply exists everywhere.
Modern social media sites always render HTML per-user. But these also have entire server farms and incredible numbers of talented man hours working on them. 4chan is just a heap of shit hold together written by a retarded teenager and held together by duct tape and chewing gum.
Maybe you're actually right though. It's possible that a server for a site of the size like 4chan could easily handle the many websocket connections, maybe even render the HTML per user, as long as the board software is implement performance consciously. The real problem is probably the bandwidth needed for images.
No.152065
is it down again?
No.152066
>>152064I'm not sure why you think it does not scale. It does not scale easily, but if you want instant replies you can't do anything about it. I've never been arguing that it's better. Just that you can do it because a websocket is just a socket which waits for a response. And there's no way to create a generic software that can handle sockets.
You're not even considering the cost of cache invalidation. Do you think the cache just magically gets invalidated? You have to always pull up new information and make a comparision to see when the data has been invalidated. To do what you're saying you need to integrate the backend(post.php) with NGINX directly. Your supposedly simple idea is no longer so simple and you might just wasting cycles for no reason.
No.152067
umm.... I think it's dead again, it's not loading for me, anyone else?
No.152068
4stats.io hasn't been working for me today. I dunno about the rest
No.152069
>>152067>>152068It worked earlier today, it seems to be down now. It also was up while 4chan was down.
>>152066It doesn't scale because websockets requires a direct per user connection to the server, which you can't easily handle with a generic cache. You could write your own reverse proxies for websockets, which would be quite efficient, but requires more work and custom software on these reverse proxy servers.
Cache invalidation is a valid point. I don't know how this is done in a reverse proxy network. Surely they're not just polling all the time? But that's up to third party software or services like cloudflare.
The image board software itself only needs to write files to disk and can expect the pure http/fileserver software to pick up changes somehow. You could even have the image board software to explicitly push updated pages to the root cache server instead of writing them to the filesystem. What you shouldn't do is letting the root cache server poll your CGI endpoints that generate the catalog or thread HTML.
Again, I'm speaking theoretically. Don't we have actual image board developers and admins here?
No.152074
>>152069I think we might be misunderstanding something too. That I advocate for JSON files being sent out to users to render it through their own browsers. So I think that if you have the resources you can store structs to memory and serve them through websockets or have a cache handle them for you and use HTTP. If it's not in cache it's pulled up from disk in the form of JSON files. Through various actions files or cache can become invalidated. They might just read off some simple details like file modification times or something more detailed than that.
Otherwise it seems like we agree on the details here. The simplicity of taking in HTTP data and storing it is very simple and great for 90% of cases, and imageboards should not use it unless for some very specific cases... like just checking for if a board has updated or not.. but it's a very minor gain for having to set up a bunch of infrastructure, just to save 900bytes per second per user.
And yes you are speaking to one. I know all this already and wanted to hear your opinion.
No.152083
4stats.io and find.4chan.org either not operational or partially operational...
No.152084
>>152074>That I advocate for JSON files being sent out to users to render it through their own browsers.I suppose that's a very efficient method. Personally I don't like websites that can't be even viewed without JS, but I suppose I'm stuck in the past.
>So I think that if you have the resources you can store structs to memory and serve them through websockets or have a cache handle them for you and use HTTP.What structs?
>They might just read off some simple details like file modification times or something more detailed than that.I would expect good reverse proxy software to be able to do that. Just watch file changes with something like inotify (or whatever your OS provides), and then use an internal reverse proxy protocol to push changed files to user-facing proxies on the next tier.
The main attractive point is that you can just add new servers whenever the traffic gets too high for your current setup, possibly relying on outside providers like cloudflare, at which point polling for changes won't add much to the bandwidth compared to images.
No.152086
>>152042Unless jannies suppress it like 8chan back in the day
No.152087
>>151978Similar feel. If the site had stayed down for a month, maybe, just maybe, users would have had some time to self reflect and see how much that place can fuck your head.
I just went into 4chunks for the first time in 2025. Having left that landfill long before the hack, I don't understand what did I see there that would keep me wasting hours every day, specially in the big boards. Sometimes you need to get out and far from the pool to realise you have been swimming in piss.
No.152092
>>152087Where are you swimming now?
No.152095
>>152092Just kissu, and it's more like sitting on the border than swimming right now since I don't want to get attached to a community again. But being able to enjoy reading a thread here without a /pol/ tourist coming to shit in it? Feels good.
No.152097
It's pretty funny that the first thing they do when coming back is officially killing 4/qa/. I think this will just enbolden shartoids to try get the site down even harder.
No.152098
>>152097I was lurking the 4chan thread on KF and seems like jannies are doubling down on handing petty bans left and right. Apparently even the iconic Miku gift is getting banned. They learnt nothing from this experience.
No.152134
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hah greedy fuckers
No.152140
>>152134stunning
and
BRAVE No.152150
>>152148can't even fault them for it, that post is not video games
No.152151
>>152148No chance of appeal?
They're trashing our rights! TRASHING!
No.152152
>>152098￥They learnt nothing from this experienceAnd why would they ever do that?
No.152154
>>152152important note: greentext is still used for direct textual quotes, yen is for everything else
No.152155
is any legal retaliation gonna happen to the soyjak retards?
No.152157
>>152154>yen is for everything elsei see, forgive me of my newfaggotry
No.152158
>>152155then they would just prove they lied about not having money. it costs a lot to hunt these children with the mutt law system
No.152159
>>152157no problem, 'ppreciate you picking up on it
No.152161
how do you yen on PC?
No.152166
¥How do you use this?
No.152173
>>152162huh i never realized this symbol is not on the keyboard. wonder why when so many others are there. if they could put euro on e why not animecoin on y
No.152174
¥be working with public¥have to occasionally ask questions¥women are always quick to gesture with irritation and verbally sigh¥men never do this and are way more understandingwomen have no patience or tolerance
>>152166I think I did it right
maybe No.152177
>>152174So it replaces the meme arrows...
No.152181
>>152159I do want to stick around, my useage of 4chan had been dropping recently even before the hack because there was relatively little left for me.
No.152185
the /v/ catalog is fucking itself
No.152191
>>152174>bei feel like opening with this is redundant and more of an /r9k/-ism
No.152192
I don't like pinktexts...
No.152200
>>152086The 8chan suppression was just them advertising to take advantage of people being mad at mods and a lot of people wanted them gone because of the political angle. This time everyone sees a pressing need to find out where to go for real when this happens again so jannies are going to have a hell of a time getting them all to pretend like it never happened and everything will be fine.
No.152204
>>152202When I see these stats, I can't but think that a bunch of tourists finally went back to their shitholes.
No.152222
4chan catalog update is definitely frozen sometimes. And not in the low update interval way it used to before the hack.
No.152227
>>152200To be honest, it's already over for them. There was two threads on /jp/ discussing here and other chans, one of them wwwent way over bump limit and I think the other is still up. /jp/ apparently doesn't matter. I haven't checked other boards (because why the hell would I) but either a ton of jannies quit or it's different this time
No.152231
>>152227The only janny present at /jp/ was just seething and throwing a shitfit at the vtuber threads, also another newfag clueless on the original culture of the board
No.152272
>>152172It's more like purple
No.152280
4/jp/ is totally dead now
No.152281
>>152280I wasn't willing to call it because I was avoiding 3DPD threads but it certainly seems on life support in the 2hu threads.
No.152288
>>152280All those moments will be lost... like tears in the rain...
Time... to die...
No.152290
>>152280>4/jp/ is totally dead now>>152281>it certainly seems on life support in the 2hu threadsI'm not sure about a tempo, I think it is similar to what was before. But it does feel less organic, great deal of posts feel forced to me. It may be however my reservations colouring my perception, I don't know.
No.152291
>>152280and nothing of value was lost
No.152292
>>152280the japanese anons have finally returned home
No.152319
>>152313>I think the sharty will end up having less poster than pre-hack.Do you have any theory why would that happen?
No.152320
my estimated target is that everyone in general will end up at 2x the pre-event numbers with a slow dropoff continuing after that point for those who can't push their reputation elsewhere
No.152322
I would love to see a /jp/ community wide overboard, so we don't get scattered across different sites AND lose contact with each other. Using different sites is not a bad thing but thinning out too much would be bad.
No.152323
>>152319I saw some of them complain that the site was getting stale pre-hack, there's also been some long running drama regarding the mods and admins. So while a lot of rubberneckers and refugees came to the site for a while maybe some of the core users just left.
No.152324
>>152319I would think the soyteens just realized they get more replies trolling 4chan than they do other soyteens and thus they went where the herds of lolcows went.
No.152325
>>152323You mean a site that stands diametrically opposed to everything genuine and seeks total destruction for the sake of it isn't going to create a lasting community?
No.152326
>>152323Those complaints are a common theme on alts. We run on fumes until some sort of drama comes up on a major board.
I haven't look at the staff drama but I think it's semi-ironic if I recall correctly...
No.152329
>>152325From what I've heard a lot of the OG /qa/ soyfags from 2020-21 had already left a couple years ago and a decent of the site's userbase since was rw twitter and some other assorted newcomers.
>>152326>staff drama but I think it's semi-ironicI think of the mods was complaining not to long ago that he was starting to doubt if the BBC posting was ever truly "ironic" to begin with
No.152332
>>152329>a decent of the site's userbase since was rw twitter and some other assorted newcomers.Of course, that's why they've such a problem with anime and loli lmao
No.152334
Is there a working captcha solver for 4chan yet? After 24 hours the 4chan captchas are not returning to the old captchas, which the usual userscript could solve.
No.152363
the good post I was going to think up a response to...
No.152366
>>152329>From what I've heard a lot of the OG /qa/ soyfags from 2020-21 had already left a couple years ago and a decent of the site's userbase since was rw twitter and some other assorted newcomers.This is what happened. Originally the site was simply for funposting. The appeal was that there was a lot of OC and a lot of in-jokes. Around 2022 the site became increasingly centered around harrasing random trans people, doxxing, and raiding everything. These people were obviously from twitter and many underage. And were in it for the politcs front and center, not the funposting. A split in the site formed, with these people being told to go back to kiwifarms by the oldfags . But they won, and I stopped using then. "Idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company" is a good motif.
>>152363Sorry I wanted to add this embed to illustrate
No.152381
>>152372still not sure if it's an issue with the software due to some API changes or if it's actually lower... /biz/ felt slower so I checked
No.152385
>>152366So you're ok with soyjaks as long as they agree with you? A new low for politically obsessed cuties.
No.152386
kissu has the best ui of altchans. very smooth and doesn't have those little annoyances others got
No.152389
>>152386stay tuned for when I port it into Svelte with a webview desktop app... and get out of the react crap I wrote a long time ago... should be released any year now...
No.152390
>>152383That makes sense. I thought of that but I didn't want to come off as someone who doesn't know how to embed.
>>152385I don't have a strong opinion on soyjaks, they are fucking soyjaks it's just fucking internet nonsense. I'm okay with soyjaks on the soyjak website, I appreciate Heyuri's rule 8 elsewhere.
I'm saying the opposite of being politically obsessed, the site used to be for funposting then became genuine political activist garbage from people who weren't even on /qa/ in the timeframe I layed out.
No.152391
>>152382I had this earlier on a different board which is faster. The catalogue wasn't updating, nor were the threads, but then randomly some of the threads would drop from page 1 to 8 or so. I assume there's still some issues with the site, although it's definitely slower, too.
No.152396
>>152385the filter will never not be hilarious
>>152324there are a shit ton of puritans on /a/ and other boards right now, so that seems to be the case
No.152422
>>152396NTA but that filter is dogshit
No.152467
>>150260PEEmin should just increase the page counter and call it a day
theres no guarantee the new users will stay long-term
something something board fiat something devaluation
No.152472
>>152469the site is going 10-20x faster than our pre-April 16th numbers.
Go back to GNFOS
>>152467Site is faster therefore the board is not bloat.
And my reasoning to greenlighting the board was reorganization due to issues with existing layout, not more boards for the sake of boards.
No.152475
trev's contributions to the sphere forgotten... now he's just another nameless /jp/ shitposter
No.152482
>>152476hes being ironic thoughbeit
No.152517
Damn shame that actual good namefags of /jp/ are completely forgotten now but shitposters are worshipped.
No.152665
>>152154>yen is for everything elseWhat is the significance of it being the yen symbol? Why not something else?
No.152764
>>152665because its glorious currency of Nipponese nation?
No.152769
>>152768I wouldn't call it stockholm syndrome the ones against altchans seem like the kind of people we wouldn't want on our altchans anyways
No.152798
There are currently 18 threads dedicated to 3DPD on 4/jp/.
No.152803
>>1527684/jp/ is basically at unusable levels of complaining and being mad about everything in the few threads that are actually moving and not 3DPD.
No.152819
>>152517I still remember Hong Meiling dumping doujins and remiliajam posting music in the comiket threads.
I probably never would have gotten into doujin music if it wasn't for those uploads.
No.152840
>>152517>shitposters are worshippedWho? I'm not seeing it.
No.152841
>>152769Most alt-chans just want to be the onerous 4chan moderator instead of eliminating the position.
The poison of Something Awful's culture runs deep.
No.152847
>>152517All the good one went to twitter
No.152857
Does 4chan auto update show that a thread got deleted for you? Here it pretends everything is fine until you refresh it F5.
No.152859
Another change post-hack is that images now actually get deleted when a mod deletes them, instead of usually lingering forever.
No.152866
https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/278113836This thread got necro bumped for so long, but now they failed to bump it. It got archived on page 9, which is probably an incorrect display due to the catalog update sometimes being stuck.
No.152873
>keep getting my posts deleted
4mods are on to me...
No.152902
>>152859Impossible, what would motivate mods to continue doing it for free if they couldn't jerk off to "deleted" CP anymore? Surely it was just changed so that you need to be logged into a mod account to see it.
No.152903
>>152844I've been noticing the reaction to even mentioning altchans has been getting more aggressive. Which is stupid because you know you can just have one site open in another tab
No.152905
>>152903Even on altchans themselves I've seen some concern trolling about "splitting the community" and begging to go back. Somehow modern 4chan user became everything we accused normalfags on regular social media to be.
No.152907
>>152665Silly characters and colors for replicating greentext are common everywhere. On 4/qa/ I had a userscript to do this. It's a replication of that for this site
No.152909
>>152903concerntrolling is still a very effective reverse-psychology tactic
No.152910
>>152906¥Implying the mods actually careNah it just seems to be dumb "ribalry" logic like they see altchans as a competitor rather than an alternative. Maybe they're just afraid the userbase would end up split but so far looks like we're ditching the users that suck
No.152921
>>152910Oh they definitely care about keeping 4chan no1. They may not want to maintain the site quality, but they want to maintain their power over the monopoly.
No.152939
>>152866Needs more autosage necrobump detection, tuned for threads with one guy or generals with a few of them.
No.152941
The problem is these scripts need the catalog.json stuff to be updated frequently in order to make a last minute bump, and if it's triggering on a timer instead of per post then people can snipe off threads reliably
No.152948
Banned for
>We didn't have any such posts on 8.
while multiple other posts are fagging around mentioning IDs and shitposting in general.
No.152951
>>152948Mentioning 8chan there is banned because RapeApe still seethes about that site.
No.152954
>>152953I'm a /trash/ poster and I definitely am not defending any website that wants me to share a fetish board with f*rries.
No.152955
>>152954Then
what are you doing on /trash/ nonny?
Are you trying to get other nonnies off or something?
No.152956
>>152953Yeah that's a good point. I made this thread
>>>/b/13551 but seeing the widespread hostility towards alternatives I think I won't put up banner ads on 4chan. I too saw the rampant bootlicking on 4/jp/ in the past few days.
No.152957
>>152955NSFWCYOAs got kicked off every single other board.
No.152958
>>152957Ohhhhhhhh.
My condolences, but aren't /cyoa/ people like 99% shitters on 4ch?
No.152960
>>152958Unfortunately yes, but they make fun games.
No.152961
>>152956I wouldn't be discouraged by angsty shitposters on 4chan that don't want any of their targets to leave the nest. That being said, I don't know how well ads would work. Sometimes I feel like natural word of mouth works best as it's always been what we've relied on until now.
Well, that and that awesome 4chanx blotter that performed a legendary maneuver for us 6 years after its creation hehehe.
No.152962
>>152959 (me)
But I'm also not saying that no one should come to Kissu, I think promoting kissu through other means like /ghost/ or /jp/, /c/, and /a/ adjacent places is better. I'm mostly only worried about an influx of dogshit posters shitting up the place, I saw that happen with 4/b/ going from general funposting to being a dogshit porn dump shithole.
There were also infamous garbage posters who tried moving here like the yurispammer and anti-yuri sperg but the mods were smart enough to take them out before they took root.
No.152963
>>152962Yeah I wouldn't be too worried about bad posters coming here. The mods are pretty on the ball here, which is worth keeping in mind since they're really only allowed to ruin 4chan because of mods sitting on their thumbs while people are given free licence to drop as much bait and low effort posts as possible.
No.152964
>>152960Used to make fun games, I haven't seen any oc in a while...
I do like
jumpchain shit though so I'm probably considered worse...
No.152965
>>152961>Sometimes I feel like natural word of mouth works bestYeah it's kind of the only thing that we can do
I might start using the upcoming Left 4 Dead 2 gamenight as well as any future MTA gamenights as a bit of a lure for people to give Kissu a chance or at the very least let them know there are "/jp/sies of value" making the move
Though it's going to be tricky with the bootlickers playing defence
No.152966
>>152964Jumpchain was pretty civil. The BEASTposting was about the only time I saw the threads be as bad as /cyoag/ could be on a bad day. I always felt like jumpers tend to look more negatively on themselves for the cringe factor of the fantasy rather than whether or not the thread was objectively worse than any other general, which it really wasn't.
No.152967
>>152966Well I mean... It is really fucking cringe when you think about it, but you gotta move past that point if you want to have fun you know?
Like I'm trying to write fanfiction with my dumb jumper doing shit and stuff. Something something become so cringe it ends up being based or something I don't know.
No.152975
>>152974Those are jannies, right? No way normal users would act like that. Never seen that type of trolling before.
No.152977
>>152975maybe since the mods immediately moved the thread to /vm/ minutes later
which perfectly illustrates why moving to Kissu is a good idea if the fucking mods are cracking down on /jp/ gamenights after all this time
No.152979
>>152965>Though it's going to be tricky with the bootlickers playing defenceIf you play into their hand of trying to create a conflict between users of here and 4/jp/ then you're going to have issues with that. But if you just ignore them and try to promote a positive connection then they'll have no recourse but to aggressively make themselves look worse trying to force something that's emblematic of why 4chan has gone down in quality so hard over the years.
No.152980
>>152975It's probably just one schizo trying to fake "community backlash" against the idea of moving to altchans for whatever reason
I saw the same guy in one of the "/jp/ back wat nou" threads someone brings up the guy is hosting l4d2 on kissu, someone else says "i'll be there" and then that guy replies "I won't, enjoy it alone."
No.152981
>>152979Oh I know, I think that might be what
>>152974 this guy's trying to do, make us respond with the same aggression to create a conflict. I'm not going to fall for it but honestly I wouldn't put it past the guy to samefag even further and start replying to himself pretending to be someone from Kissu
No.152996
>>152995There is a newfaggot janny who has been seething in the vtumor threads, you might be right.
No.152998
>>152996I keep hearing this by how exactly is he seething? I don't care enough to look but hearing it repeatedly has peaked my interest a little bit.
No.153002
>>152996so in other words instead of learning anything they just hired even worse jannies
No.153009
>>153000TRUE! Hiro should double their current salary! I mean, they must be pretty well financially compensated for this amount of dedication, aren't they?
No.153011
>>152995I thought 4chan jannies don't see IPs.
No.153012
>>153011Leaks show they can, and they also put private reasons for bans
No.153014
>>153013NTA, but the source code was leaked, and private ban reason is indeed a thing.
No.153017
>>153014I think he was implying that this is a moderator user interface and not a janitor one. Because it can issue bans and modify if it can be appealed and such
No.153033
>catalog not updating for 15 minutes now
Buggy ass shit.
No.153036
>>152974I'm 90% certain the last one is a joke if only because I really doubt anyone on 4chan would ever speak like that non-ironically.
No.153049
>>153037my favorite, banning the reports
No.153052
>>153037It's extremely rare that I get banned for reports. When I get banned for one, it's usually because I deserved it, like using the GR1 report option for a shitpost.
In your case, I would suspect that a rogue janny knew how to get a mod to ban you for reporting a shitposter he's trying to protect.
No.153057
Never been banned for reports, even when I used to bot them.
No.153070
>>153052It's happened to me multiple times, usually when reporting this guy (who's been at it long enough to have his own stalker who snipes his threads with archive links before I even spot them), so yeah, it's probably a rogue janny.
The dumbest thing is that half of his threads do get deleted eventually, often
after the ban.
No.153122
Catalog updates are sometimes so slow (or outright frozen) that you can tell a thread got deleted because the catalog image is not loading.
No.153132
>call the mods fags
>report your own post for violating GR1 so they have to see it
No.153133
>>153132This guy knows what's up.
No.153138
>>153132sounds cool but who are you quoting?
No.153143
>>153132I did that before.
No.153337
Seems like IP hopping of some type marks your cookie as bad and you get a fake IP range ban message.
No.153358
>>153337If you're already hopping IPs, why wouldn't you reset your cookie? You're eating the countdown either way.
No.153387
>>153358That cookie didn't have the countdown anymore. It's funny how the new system is favoring shitposters who are sure to get banned for their first post.
No.153494
>>152995samefag here. he did it again. he's being subtle by mass-replying and not doing it too frequently, but he DOES keeps replying to me.
>>1530374mods hand out 3-day bans like candy, just to ban you for as long as possible without letting you appeal. reporting is not worth it.
No.153496
>>153494quality has gone down a lot in general lately, I think any reasonable person would consider this the final nail in the coffin. Looks like the mods also unintentionally helped us out with by fucking with the L4D2 thread, noticed we seemed to have the same turnout from the /jp/sie regulars so hopefully that's driven awareness of Kissu and the reasons why one would consider going to Kissu
No.153748
Seems like they fixed the auto update bug for deleted threads?
No.153817
>>153496It was shared in the happenings thread but some boards that were popular lost around 10-30% traffic. Posting speed went down overall and if you are filtering out quality which the hack did and give no incentives for the older userbase to come back after all that leaked then yeah, the website is going to die faster. A lot more shit threads are being allowed to give off the impression that didn't happen but it's obvious 4chan is losing its luster. I haven't actually considered the website dying so soon after moot left but it's a pretty good bet after seeing what happened to the website during the hack and the reaction to it. Losing such a big website outside of the usual crop of social media and news seemed to have almost no impact on the landscape.
No.153842
I will miss this thread
No.153910
Owari da...
No.153912
>>153496>Looks like the mods also unintentionally helped us out with by fucking with the L4D2 thread,Looks like the mods also unintentionally helped us out with by fucking with the L4D2 threadIt had to be a new jannoid, because the thread got moved back to /jp/ and then locked. The new janny is a huge bitch, I got a 3 month GLOBAL BAN for saying "holo nigs", not even a hard r or insulting a particular poster, just that.
No.153928
>>153817>so soon after moot leftIn a year, the site will have been rotting under hiro for longer than it was being built up under moot.
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Seems like I got rangebanned
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>>153912>I got a 3 month GLOBAL BAN for saying "holo nigs"Post screenshot
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>>153912jannies can't ban people
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Sometimes I have the problem that 4chan auto update isn't working. Not even clicking the Update button helps. Only a hard refresh shows new posts. What the fuck is this?
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>>154046Try clearing your cache with a reload (Ctrl+Shift+R), it seemed to work for me but might have been a coincidence. Not sure what is happening there.
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>>154048I disabled http2 and http3 in Firefox and restarted Firefox. It seems to work now. I will try to clear the cache if it happens again.