>>37003
I agree with your general assessment of how the winds are blowing, but I'm not going to discuss it here.

>>37003
Not my problem.

>>37003
The fact that modern LLM services put so much effort into stopping people from ERPing with anime characters but seem to not care about or even tacitly support large actors using their tools to shit out enormous amounts of misinformation and propaganda is one of the most blackpilling things I've seen relating to the modern internet.

>>37003
this is not what guenon says

>>37003
Koruri talks about this.

>>37003
>muh jews
Anon, don't get caught up in a narrow narrative.

>>37003
I mean I don't think it's obvious what narrative bots are going to try and force on people, I think there will be lots of bots shilling many different narrative, but I do agree bots will probably make imageboards unusable within just a few years. It's weird how people here never talk about them, they're gonna change everything on the internet, in fact they already are.

>>37010
I wonder if we'll hit the point where nations would prefer to just have their own internets, or regions at least. That way they can just hunt down bot users within the country if they try to make a dead internet, but it'd fracture internet culture pretty badly.

>>37011
Most governments are control freaks, if they're going to make their own internet, it's probably so that only THEIR bots can act.

>>37011
That would be a good thing.
Why should everyone country in the world have one big homogenized slop culture?
At the very least I want people outside the Anglosphere and Western Europe to fuck off to their own websites.

>>37013
No, keep the Japanese they make life worth living

>>37013
You're a cutie.

>>37014
They already stick to their own websites desu ne senpaitachi

>>37012
Well, yes, that's probably already happening in China. Coming soon to the US. I think the EU would probably be least likely to implement it, they just wanna know where troublemakers are instead with retarded shit like chat control.

>>37017
It's also reality ion Russia, the nation /pol/ loves so much for being a beacon of LE WHITE CHUD FREEDOM. /pol/shits are the greatest cuties of our times.

>>37009
white gen-x+senpais are lead poisoned retards whose only instinct is to try and sabotage others so they can get ahead. humanity is a group game so white gen-x+senpai retards already lost from the beginning. jews are the only ones steering western civilization cause they've got enough intelligence and do in-group preference. it's just a competition between jews and han at this point cause whites are already checked out from playing it.

trump is deporting people for being critical of israel. you don't even get deported for hating america or killing americans but you do for mentioning israel's genocide so it's really time to stop pretending it's anything but jews. illegals squatting and killing americans have judges backing them and stopping them from being deported but if you're critical of israel you'll get expedited judgements revoking your green card. like i said it's not 2015 so it's no longer possible to even remotely pretend jews aren't in complete control of america and western civilization at this point.

>>37010
currently most of the bots are just there to make noise and stop people from talking. the biggest objective is disruption so people can't create a consensus or connect with other people. they want people atomized and isolated so people don't do anything disruptive themselves. bots mainly give kosher replies or gotcha like "you lost". pajeets are worse than bots because they're so mentally retarded even gpt is more intelligent than them. i saw one go around accusing people who were critical of israel of being muslim and mentioning they're circumcised. he's supporting jews (circumcised) accusing people who hate them of being (circumcised) muslims. i wanted to kick his skull in when i read it.

>>37017
the chinese web isn't like the west filled with pajeets and gpt bots smearing shit everywhere. they've been in an information war with the west since the start playing on defense with stuff like the great firewall. this means their web is more locked down to prevent western intelligence agencies from creating huge botnets to do color revolutions or countersignal them. pretty much 99% of the reason why all the stuff got exported to china was cause they thought they could collapse china whenever they wanted but china has been creating their internet in a way where western influence can't reach. they don't need random bots to be disruptive because they can actually just silence whatever they want. they can definitely activate narrative stuff, but they don't need bots to do it because they control their news and don't pretend it's a free market. the west needs the chaos of infinity pajeets+bots because it pretends to be organic whereas china can simply say this is an order from the supreme emperor xi and do it then silence whoever tries to countersignal.

>>37013
>Western Europe
Where's the border, in your mind? Just curious, because I personally don't see Europe in discrete units in terms of culture, internet one included. Not to say there aren't any differences between France and Russia, for instance, but it's more of a gradient, I think.

>>37020
Hrm there are multiple definitions which would be acceptable.
Traditionally Catholic/Protestant Europe is one.
Never communist Europe is another.
But I'd settle for having a line separating Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus (east slavs).
And not letting in Turks, Georgians, Armenians, etc on technicality BS.

>>37019

The reason trump is on such a pro-israel kick is because he has been influenced by chabad. Chabad is a hasidic group. Hasidism is a kind of dynastic judaism. They are actually pretty nice, their stance is basically to be happy and try to be even better than they have to be. Compared to standard orthodox jews they are less grim and formulaic. But regardless of this, they organize themselves around families of leading rabbis and the different groups are basically the followers of these lineages. One of these lineages is chabad and they produced this one leader who was so beloved by everyone that after he died (and explicitly told his followers not to do this), they started thinking he must have been the messiah, was actually not really even dead but alive still, and maybe was even god. Basically what christianity did.
These people are obviously arch heretics and rejected by orthodoxy. They have the very charismatic and fanatical cult energy to spread and influence however, and so they somehow sucked trump in under their influence. As they are pro israel they are influencing trump in this way. Of course i am critical of them, but this is hopefully a case of evil being used for good, as israel are the good guys and going to be important for the coming political and existential conflicts this century as ill explain next.

leftists(of the screeching modern kind)==palestinians. their internal logic and psychologies are identical and there is a reason they get along despite on the surface being almost entirely opposed in their beliefs. if you want human normality you should support israel.
i have spent years coming to this conclusion thought the study of fringe psychologies, the occult, critiques of liberalism (i mean in the actual historical sense), syncretic abrahamism, and various other things. What we are dealing with here is a complex result of broken societies producing ever more broken people and funneling them into narrower and narrower ways of interpreting reality through and ever increasing drive to distill generalized principals and frame everything in those terms, and then construct a fanaticism to take refuge in and hide their shattered psyches around synthetic personas. They have no choice but to become fanatics believing they are entitled to everything. The palestinians could be another leftist group, like blm or feminists.
Israel is opposing their leftists, both internally (israel was founded by radical pagans and atheists who currently control certain parts of their government structure) and the ones next door(palestinians), you should be supportive of them and endeavor to oppose the local leftists in america as well. With luck we may remove the disastrous consequences of generalized thinking. The bad outcome if we dont is the worlds leftists will all mass convert to islam since the ideological frameworks are compatable. It does not matter to a leftist so much what their cause is since they only adhere to any belief to virtue signal about it. Currently all known western leftisms are soundly rooted in liberal ideas holding certain things like democracy or non violence as sacred, but give the leftists a different form of leftism:islam and they will become suicidal jihadis to prove they are 'good' so nobody cancels them, which is the primary motivation of the leftist which i alluded to earlier.

So that is the gist of it, we must use israel as a role model and support it so that it can see through its struggles against leftism. Then we can copy israel and maybe even have cool shopping malls like they still do. Hopefully trump is able to deal with iran before he goes full retard. With luck they will return to zoroastrianism or something.

>>37022
>The palestinians could be another leftist group, like blm or feminists.
Are you 14?

>>37023
no im 40 and i was serious when i said ive spent years looking into this. Its the kind of realization that only multidisciplinary understanding can come to.

Most people adopt movements like these to help prop up their troubled psyches. It just so happens that the people supporting pride parades and the people throwing gays off of rooftops have some very similar psychologies at play. The only difference between the general culture they were influenced by.

A lot of it has to do with the expansion and adoption of the 'general idea' as outlined in de Tocqueville 'democracy in america', which you can read the relevent chapters here:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/de-tocqueville/democracy-america/ch21.htm

One of the major contributors to the wests current problems is the continued expansion and dependency on the general idea in our ways of thinking. It developed over time as people became more and more inclined to consider things as simple intersections of universal principals. It went so far that we even see a kind of reversal of it using general ideas in modern intersectionality theories, where they try to reinsert complexity and nuance into a thing by classifying it with many generalizations. IT was communism which alerted me to this since communists, being dialectical materialists, reject this way of looking at the world, calling it liberal (which seems appropriate as it correlates with the general naturalist causal thinking of the enlightenment).

We in the west have had our rational facilities damaged immensely by our society and education, so many different perspectives and ways of looking at and experiencing the world we were never shown, as they gave us a complete system. It was so bad that even our mysticism and spiritualism attempts are in the end just the same naturalist causal mechanistic point of view again, only with more exotic kinds of matter, more elevated laws. Nothing like the richness of how people used to explain experience.

The belief then that we can look at a phenomenon, break it down into a few simple principals, and then extrapolate out from those an explanation for everything, is the root of whats happening here. This is why you have all these competing leftist groups who are convinced all of societies problems stem from very specific issues they perceive. They convince themselves of this and naturally adopt a stance of extreme aggression and fanaticism since to them the entire world is at stake over their one singular issue.

They have such righteous conviction about it because they can be certain of it because their western way of thinking with the general idea is simplistic enough to provide for the fuzzy room complexity or nuance demands, so its all crystal clear to them.

Now we must realize that the palestinians, and much of the associated islamic world today, are a subtype of islam known as salafism. Salafism is to islam as protestantism is to christianity, it emphasizes things like personal interpretations and rejecting the old systems of the religion, under the aspiration of returning to some more authentic version. These views are very liberal enlightenment, and in fact salafism did not become a thing until the west started introducing liberal ideas to the middle east. Im afraid they are now also infected with the general idea.

The rabbit holes are deep and broad and i really dont know how to explain all the things ive come to learn in years of learning. Just trust me bro.

>>37025
>I am informed, every morning when I wake, that some general and eternal law has just been discovered, which I never heard mentioned before.
heheh that's a good quote
but the thing is, i don't quite understand how this translates into supporting israel. is it because of their religiousness, is that your answer to the trend of the general idea? because the jews of israel have been lampooned as being quite western, liberal, and practically atheist, unless it concerns the expansion of their state

>>37026
So its multiple things.
That idea is very important when it comes to understanding the western leftist, but not only leftist, everyone. Basically everyone in the left is going to automatically start thinking in this way, so when i say it describes the leftist i mean in the sense that we are all primed to collapse in the way the leftist has. The primary motivation of the leftist is to be 'not bad'. They are terrified of being bad and need to find a target that is bad to condemn so everyone can see them doing it. The screeching leftist has fallen to a sort of hysteria over this, but the west in general also has this fear, which is why we have so many of these ideas in place that keep us away from pragmatism and into virtue signaling of our own. This can explain various things in our society from our particular forms of death penalty to our we approach employment ideas, to how we conduct war and conflict, to how we consider other groups of people for reasons other than war as well.

The thing to remember is the west has some liberal ideas which are seen as universal laws, we put them into our constitutions and everyone seemingly swears to love and uphold them no matter what side of western politics they are on. They do not consider that these are not universal but cultural.

In israel, as it is quite western particularly in the higher echelons of its government.
The israeli government might not be how you think, the executive branch, the courts, and the military, are effectively all independent bodies that negotiate with each other. Israel has no constitution, instead its founders thought that getting around to writing one would require a bit more time and consideration than they had so they created some foundational ideas and put the constitution on hold and its been on hold ever since. In israel effectively the military is in charge, and the militarys higher ranks are all highly nepotistic with certain circles of people, all of whome descend from some of the founding old school leftists (which are distinct from modern leftists but which nevertheless manage to degenerate into them because dialectical materialism is confusing and its much easier to just be a liberal) the government is the civilian management structure for the military, and the courts see themselves as an independent entity whos job it is is to police everything else, not by upholding faithfully laws that the legislature has passed, but by following what they believe is their secular liberal mandate. They are basically full time 'legislating from the bench', and judges are only elected by judges. So the military and the courts are very insulated from the rest, effectively self-appointing their own replacements. Meanwhile the government is more democratically elected but it has the least power of the three, it has been trending right steadily and is now majority right.

What this means is that effectively israels foreign policy is heavily left-influenced, and this was their disposition towards gaza prior to october 7th. One of the reasons the attack caught everyone off guard is because israel had just recently done many things everyone was expecting would result in better relationship and peace. Not only had the abraham accords been going well, which promised to bring cooperation and stability with other middle eastern nations, but the security and hassle around gazans going into israel had been lessened and streamlined with the idea that if they could easily get jobs in israel they would become happy - the idea that actually the palestinians just wanted what everyone wanted, peace, comfort, happy lives, etc.
Remember that there was free travel prior to the intifadas.

So of course everyone was taken by surprise. The mistake here by the westernized israelis was the liberal hubris that everyone is actually the same and wants the same things, and those other people are just less civilized and maybe need help developing to realize it. They do not actually consider that other cultures are in fact highly developed and simply different (despite saying as such when they celebrate diversity, they dont actually practice what they preach, because they are convinced via the general idea that the universe and people in a general sense all follow the same basic rules and the only cultural differences are essentially different decorations or approaches to the same basic things)

>>37028

The IDF has the most restrictive ROE im aware of. They try to make sure every single incident has a real time 'criminalization', which is a process by which, even when fighting enemy combatants who are blatantly declaring themselves such, they have justification by knowing who and why they are trying to kill. This goes to show the liberalization in the IDF, they try to give miniature trials even to open enemy combatants during operations, because of course doesnt everyone deserve a fair trial? This is a unique thing because they are still very zionist and see their job as protecting the state no matter what, but the worldview they have is the same western leftist worldview, they just have a singular priority.

Now, the reason i say supporting israel is important is because outside of israel it is mainly the israeli government (which represents its people) that we think of as israel. So i mean supporting their government and citizens. There has been growing realization amongst them what the nature of the palestinians is, and that is the best bet to stop it because israeli jews are not yet entirely suppressed by western ideas.


So now is when explaining palestinians is important for this to all make sense:
The region was part of the ottoman empire. It was a backwater and there was not a high population density there. Living there were some jewish communities that have always been there for the last two thousand years, but mainly various muslim communities, and as it was ottoman it was of course governed by an ottoman governor. Starting in the 19th century, or maybe the late 18th century, jews from europe started trickling back, since jews are commanded to live there if they can by one of their 613 laws. Since the situation in europe was hostile towards jews at various times many started thinking they may as well just go do it if its going to be hostile all the same. By the last years of the ottoman empire there were several developed jewish areas where jews had bought land from the ottomans and lived there legally.

During WW1 the british promised the local muslims that if they helped the allies overthrow the ottomans (who were part of the central powers) they would get the land. After ww1 ended and the ottomans collapsed the anglo anglod and held onto it for a while. During this period both muslim and jewish groups did various things of various levels of hostility to try and make the british go away. Also during this time the british imported workers from egypt and other nearby places for their construction projects trying to build up the area.

Eventually the locals made enough of an annoyance that the british decided to leave. Since there were well rooted and established jewish and muslim communities in the area, they thought it would be a good idea to just give them both soverignty with a two state solution, making the areas jews lived in israel(what jews called it), and the areas the muslims lived in palestine(what the romans called it). The jews agreed, the UN agreed, everyone agreed, except the palestinians.

Now on what ground they did disagree really? Was it as the modern leftist imagines, with white people coming in and displacing the poor browns with force to make a western colony? No, it was not.

Who are palestinians, who were the ottomans, and what is islam?
Islam is a religion, and as our western liberal values tell us that is protected. It says so right in the constitution. Islam is also a political system that seeks to conquer the world, specifically focusing on land. Land is very important in islam, gaining and controlling land is acting righteously and losing land is the biggest insult one can suffer. The land itself must be under islamic rule. Caring about converting actual people is a secondary thing and in fact islam is happy to have dhimis because who doesnt enjoy a good underclass with less legal protections? Islam also sees itself as one grand unified kingdom, temporarily fragmented into smaller groupings. So do not think in terms of national identities here, when the palestinians say the land is 'theirs', they mean that it is 'islams', specifically it was made 'dar al islam' and so now belongs to islam, forever. So their objection to the two state solution proposed is not that their homes were being stolen, but that a non muslim cannot be allowed to administrate over it. They also feel this way about spain, but to a muslim there is nothing lower than a jew, and so while europeans temporarily having spain back hurts, it does not hurt anywhere near as much as jews controlling anything.
And those palestinians? How many were originally living there and how many were workers imported by the british, or just migrants from surounding arab places? Who is to say? But they are all palestinians and there was no such thing before yasser arafat invented the cultural identity. So what a palestinian is is 'the local muslims who are upset that jews have soverign rule over land that was once muslim, and as the local muslims it is on their honor to try and fix it'. And because they are salafists, they are not bothered by perhaps classical imperial islamic ideas or practices, it simply says in the book to go jihad so they do it. Some might read it another way, but its all really up to personal interpretation. Truly the only saving grace the west has is that you are supposed to kill heretics and so they spend a lot of time fighting each other, another quality of leftists ill point out, and why i described earlier the leftist tendency to fixate on their own issue.

>>37029

Now this still does not explain exactly how im comparing the two of them, leftists and palestinians. Leftists, despite being degenerated from the communist ancestors, still hold the general sense of 'historical inevitability'. With phrases like 'the wrong side of history' and such, they believe their victory is inevitable. Islam too believes this. They are genuinly confused and hurt why people dont just let them win, since they are the good guys after all. This is also islams belief. The real emotional hurt they feel over this exploits human empathy, so as the left is always making these sympathetic cryings, the islamic confusion over why the kafirs wont just let them rule the planet resonates with the leftists, and we get an integration. They can all have a mutual pity party. This combined with the wests belief that other cultures are just less developed westerners allows them to virtue signal their goodness by adopting their pet muslims and maybe even converting to islam to show their tolerance, after all it feels right, its the same righteous indignation, same entitlement. Same willingness to look at other peoples moral standards and pretend to temporarily have them so you can complain to them about it and then simply abandon those standards when it suits you. Same willingness to self sacrifice. The leftist dreams of becoming a political prisoner, of attending some mass protest and getting maimed by a riot officer so they can show their virtue with pride to others. The leftist attends military academy then gets expelled for being a communists, rather than actually dedicate their life to infiltrating and subverting the system from within (you know the image of the guy graduating some military school with the communist shirt and 'communism will win' on his hat), because victory is not their concern - they will win already they know it - they want to earn honor by being subjugated. Likewise muslims dont think they need to strategize much, the world was already promised to them, they want to look cool or get martyrd, yes actually, those in gaza or jordan who might think thats crazy get sent to special boarding schools by their families which are high control environments until they dont question it anymore. Shunning and peer pressuring those who disagree is also a leftist tactic.

Only principled ideals that have been rationally thought through, based on solid foundations of reason and understand, can defend someone who the emotional manipulation of either of these groups. Humans are weak to emotional exploitation. Presently the israeli general populace is in the process of learning solid thinking. We must hope israel is successful and shows us a society purged of this kind of thinking flourishing. Then hopefully the west will come to its senses.

Though as to your specific question, yes, religious jews do not have the western worldview as fundamentally their epistemology is different and they reject the idea of naturalistic laws entirely, and because the religious always have more children, they are growing demographically in israel. This has freaked the tel avivits out, despite them having nothing to fear since the religious jews do not believe israel is the real israel that the messiah will found, and so it would be against the religion to actually install religious law there, since basically jewish religions is 'be xenophobic until the world ends to preserve the torah'

Ive read too much and become schizo. Hopefully ive answered your questions. Mao warned against this. The jews warn against it too in a different way: If what you learn doesnt help defend you and keep your mind on the right path it just gives you more ways to craft elaborate self deceptions.

>>37029
>The IDF has the most restrictive ROE im aware of.
lol. lmao even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

>>37031
not a contradiction and you thinking it is is exposing some liberal thinking. firstly bombing enemy infrastructure is normal in war, as is trying to get the enemy civilian population to rise up against their government. In fact the belief that this doctrine would work in the first place in this situation exposes the IDFs liberal leanings since the entire concept that these are poor civilian populations being controlled by a small group of fanatics is a bush era lie.
Nevertheless i bet the IDF had an entire department trying to track and account for everyone who might be in the area as they conducted their demolition campaign, and constantly ran the numbers to bring the projected collateral within 'acceptable ranges'

You could instead have criticized the somwhat dystopian concept of 'criminalization' i mentioned which seeks to pass judgement and turn the enemy combatants into simple law breakers. If someone says they are your enemy and starts attacking you then you really shouldnt have to find some other reason to kill them. It kind of robs them of their dignity if you ask me

>>37022
Anon, as an American it's not really a problem for me but: Israel and America are the ones causing all the problems for Europe because they both destabilize the Middle East all for the sake of Israel and the goddamn Petrodollar.

Chabad is Chabetter than the Atheistic Jews or the strait up Sabbatean Satanists, but alas, it is still not Chagood.