>>153791
This seems to be another recurring theme in this thread where people see no middle ground between devoting every second of every day to stressing about negative possibilities and putting no effort whatsoever into building or maintaining human relationships. I'm not sure if it's an intentional fallacy to create a greater sense of justification for the status quo or just a mental shortcoming when basing analysis on vague anecdotes and other low-context data.

Also, always funny to see people lament the way things used to be while simultaneously holding up a "common sense" completely foreign to that time.

>>153792
Brushing your teeth and putting money in a retirement account isn't romantic either, so you probably shouldn't do those either.

>>153795
You're doing possibly both of those things wrong if they're not romantic enough for you.

>>153692
The only foolproof way to create a legacy is by making a mark on the world. That's why figures like Newton are remembered and your ancestors are not. After a few generations, people will have forgotten about you, if it ever gets to multiple generations, that is. You better hope your descendants avoid terrible misfortunes, like a car crash, succumbing to a pandemic, dying in a school shooting, or any of the many hardships that life may throw at them, so they can have children. Even worse for a traditionalist would be the possibility that your children might choose not to have children at all.
>Just making sure she hasn't fucked another guy before ensures a statistical likelihood of a long-lasting marriage.
Are you sure you're in a position to point out statistical likelihoods? You made a biased point as well. Women who haven't yet had sex by the time they're in the average age for marriage (tiny number by the way) are most likely to be religious, and religious people tend to avoid divorce overall even if their marriage is subpar.

>>153800
"leaving a mark on the world" is fairly nebulous, if you read the thread you can see anonymous' argument is more practical than that
i largely agree with him, but the person i love said no, so i'm working on it

>>153787
No, obviously not. What I am saying is that I prioritize and adjust my efforts. I don't health crazy serious or anything, but if possible I don't wanna feel like a zombie by the age of 35 because I end up eating only fast food or something. In that condition where my body is functioning badly, there's fundamentally no easy fixing for it and it'll make every other aspect in my life much worse.
Not having a gf or kids is something I can perfectly live without, having those things would be an investment that I outright don't want to deal with.
Thats what I mean by taking it easy; I'd rather put most of my work and effort towards my very small bubble rather than overextend and burn the living shit out of myself.

>>153800
That's some next level pessimism that looks at a world with 8 billion people and average life expectancies in the 80s and decides it's so likely that all of your offspring will die without children that it's not even worth attempting.

And now you're setting up a system where you will never be satisfied. If she doesn't stay with you forever then she's a whore not worth your time and if she does stay with you she's just prolonging your misery. Generalizations.

I've noticed that I feel more laidback and less misanthropic when I'm actually around people I interact with and that I don't straight up dislike.
It really sucks that I have no free time and energy for new acquaintances to experiment on my introspection with because of w*rk.

>>138101
>conversations we'd have in the past about failed norms vs true sages. But then there's been plenty of stuff I've seen strewn about the internet about "epidemics" of people without love and how it's a big social issue or whatnot
Remember - normal people don't exist anymore.

>>153731
>I don't understand your question.
I was asking what specific... techniques you were employing when dealing with "normal" people. Your answer about the books gives some hints already, though, especially the 48 Laws of Power one, I need to reread it.
You also mention using the outcast status to your own advantage. I'm curious about it.

>>153807
Pessimism? If you want to be a parent then go ahead, I'm not an anti-natalist. Perhaps the tone of my previous post may have been too confrontational, so I want to clarify that I'm attacking the cancerous idea that people should have children for any reason other than a desire to be parents. First, your sense of fulfillment is reliant on someone else, who must not be taken for granted, as I pointed out in my post. Second, if you're not fit to be a parent, you'll cause long-term misery for another person just to satisfy your own pride. Do not reproduce out of sheer societal pressure.

>>153846
Explain that to my parents who totally expected me to jump at the chance of getting with some overweight single mother.
I might be just a little more than a manchild with a mediocre job, but I still have dignity.

>>154622
Same. I get that they're just being practical considering what's available to the poor souls who didn't find a partner in school, but there's a point where you can't reasonably lower the bar any more.

>>154638
I find that especially insulting that NOW they woke up and doing interventions instead of like ten years ago when they preferred to tell me I still got time. Father now tries to shame me into going after that single mother by boasting how he (allegedly) got plenty of girlfriends at youth, but of course he didn't bother teaching me anything about that.

Not only I'm a bit too old to get a cute gf, but the culture also went to shit, with both offline AND online dating becoming impossible to do(former due to some social scare of rapists or whatever and latter because dating apps are designed to make money first and connect people third + swiping culture) and also women also getting memed into chasing careers into large cities instead of starting families.
I'm not the only one being alone in my town.
Shit's fucked, but the older folks simply can't comprehend it.

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>>154641
BOOOOO. GIRLFRIEND GIRLFRIEND RELATIONSHIPS JOB APPLICATION OBLIGATIONS EYE CONTACT TAXES HAIRCUT. DID I SCARE YOU?

die
norps
die

>>154644
AAAAAAAAAAAAA TASUKETE SENKO-SAN

You know, all this being said and done, I think I'd be down for a robot wife.
Is it just a convenient toy that takes the place of a human with non of the intricate emotional ties? A relationship with non of the commitment and responsibility? An easy way to avoid developing as a person?
Hell YEAH it is, IT'S ALL I EVER WANTED!!!!

>>138101
In my experience, the vast majority of people who can't get a GF don't really like women to begin with. They never put themselves in situations where they could theoretically initiate a relationship, and when they do, they have nothing but complaints. I honestly think that a lot of them are flat out gay, but never really considered seeking out male companionship.

>>153692
>Also, the primary reason for a relationship is to have kids. Any list of "reasons why I've ascended beyond the need for a gf" that doesn't address this point is completely pointless. Onaholes and meal prep and roombas are great for satisfying your short-term needs, but are those what you want to be surrounded by on your death bed? Is that the legacy you want to want to leave behind?
¥The purpose of life is to create more life which creates more life ad-infinitum
Am I the only one who thinks that this is a nightmarish, nauseating way of looking at the world?

>>154815
>Am I the only one who thinks that this is a nightmarish, nauseating way of looking at the world?
It is, everyone who thinks like this is insane.

>>138101
You've never experienced what it feels like to be actually, genuinely in love before. Once you have you understand why it's such a big deal

I want to get a pet so I can stop being such a lonely miserable fuck.

>>155572
I love my cat. I sit at home alone all year, but I don't really feel lonely. I visit family a few times a year though.
If you get a cat, be prepared to be annoyed from time to time. Cats are free spirits. My cat spends every other night with me in bed, just knowing she's there is nice.

>>155568
as a counterpoint, I am quite certain that I am incapable of experiencing this sort of emotion. It would be unsurprising that OP is in a similar situation.

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This is probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I am jealous of people who enter relationships by just being themselves and who say "it just happened".

>>156058
尊萌攘充

In my case it evolved, but now - idgaf about people because everyone sucks ass once I get to know them.

Just as intelligence is mostly occupied by males on the far right end of the bell curve, so I believe most other noteworthy and friendship worthy traits are possessed by males on that far right end of the bell curve, simply for evolutionary and similar reasons that make women flock together... On a hardware level even, not just socially...

Anyhow, so that complicates things, but even if that wasn't the case I haven't yet met a truly interesting person as in I have 0 friends. Romantic relationship without friendship doesn't interest me.

On top of that I would at least prefer someone beautiful and while I would have put up with some major flaws so long as she had a cute face, I'm no longer inclined to do that, because the effort feels like too much when the last 5 or so women I showed interest in have hard ghosted me at one point or another into the relationship.

People can be pretty cool, but I think on average they utterly suck, and women 10 fold so.

So basically it's utterly unrealistic on multiple compounding fronts.

But I don't care about that much, because lack of real friendship is more pertinent. I do know some cool individuals though. One of them I even consider a friend, but he's a junkie and also retarded, so the fun factor or interest factor is limited. Has a good heart though and we vibe. But if it was a female I wouldn't marry her. Namely because she'd be too retarded for any real fun or adventure.

Don't care about legacy, don't care about kids. separate issues. Sex is cool, but not as cool as actually caring about someone and finding it pleasurable and inspiring to interact with them.

TLDR I'd like to find a male friend (realistically a male, but anyone) for starters. Or a community I could care about, but there's way too much bullshit everywhere to even have enough motivation to say one thing about it.

>>154815
>Am I the only one who thinks that this is a nightmarish, nauseating way of looking at the world?
nope, just didn't bother addressing, because there's too many retards here

>>154815
>>155055
>>156073
all tards

>>156072
>everyone sucks ass once I get to know them.
If it's EVERYONE with no exceptions, then that's a (You) problem, whether you're full of yourself or are looking in the wrong places you don't relate to.

>>156077
Yeah, I guess you're right, I should probably be less real and less cool then.

Look, there is MASSIVE differences between people. Yes. And there's even some that are at least seemingly on my level of loyalty (but then they lack any kind of adventure spirit for whatever reason), some that have great adventure spirit, humor, sense of life, etc, but choose to lie about their intentions and generally don't care to be real ones, then there's the guy I mentioned who has a big beautiful heart AND understands fun and adventure (not so much humor, but nevermind that) but he's way too retarded to even make sentences, so communication is slow, inefficient and there much fewer things we can do together that are actually all that interesting. Mostly just surface and simple stuff...
None of this is helped by the fact that I am cognitively in ~ top 0.1 percentile or higher.

Yeah I don't go out to meet many new ppl, I'm sure there are plenty that I would admire out of the 8 billion, but it's just such a unsatisfactory and uncomfortable process to start caring about someone and invest in someone and be treated like garbage which is what pretty much everyone does - treat themselves and others like garbage. I don't fancy that much, so for the most part I just stay respectful and stay out of it. Luckily, I have gotten much better at telling who is who, so I get out before getting hurt or having to deal with any bullshit. My life is much better than it has ever been tbh. Especially when I was a teen - that was a straight-up Trainwreck.

>>156079
It's not that I have these huge requirements for my friends, but I would like them to have at least the bare minimum. Which is not lying to one another, not manipulating, answering requests or at least respectfully denying them. Basically not ignoring one another. I consider that the bare minimum. This is why I don't have friends. This bare minimum as it turns out is extremely rare on this particular planet. And some of it, a lot of it is not from malice, it's just from people being too retarded to even themselves notice what they're doing. What I'm saying is that there is a pretty high amount of people (maybe like 1% or a bit lower) who have actually beautiful hearts, but they are too stupid to not harm you unintentionally. There are too stupid not to misunderstand you and not to mistreat you. Which sucks, but it's just the reality. I'd rather not be mistreated than have that friendship that has such a low ceiling of possibilities anyway. It's not that I hate people. I don't. And I even get along with retards when they have big beautiful hearts. Intelligence is not a necessity although it often turns out to be in practical situations.

And not necessarily, but on top of that, I would like them to be you know, not boring as Almighty fuck, hopefully, but even that is not necessary, just be a real one and we can build something together, we can do something together, step by step, little by little.

>>155577
arrrghhh

>>156072
I can't imagine why you don't have any friends! You seem like you have a wonderful personality!

>>156087
It's not like people don't want to hang out with me and it's not like I don't benefit the ones I do hang out with. I don't know what rubbed you off wrong way, but I usually do that to people.

I don't expect any of you to give me solutions, and just venting here.

If you don't think people suck, you're most likely one of those who suck... No, but seriously, people suck mad balls. Is that a controversial thing to say? I don't see anything controversial about it. Look at the fucking world. Does it look like it's working to you? If it does, you are the problem, sir.

Sure, we're not in a nuclear Armageddon, but that's a pretty low bar. I hate game theory. I hate Machiavelli. I hate people who think 48 laws of power is a good book. They're using the wrong metrics and that's why we're all fucked.

I mean, I'm not fucked, because I live in nature, and the beautiful and peaceful place where I barely interact with people, but you look around and everybody's so fucked up. It's not my fault they're fucked up. If anything, I have help to offer, but not if it's at my own expense. You shouldn't be punished for doing a good deed.

>>156088
The general masses do tend to suck quite a bit. It's not controversial at all to think. In fact to apply that thought to all your neighbors and people you meet anywhere to assume yourself in isolation is a narrative quite often promoted by the media and all big think tanks. It's a narcissistic form of individualism that keeps people from thinking it's worthwhile to commune with others, organize for anything, or worst of all try to form positive community bonds with each other.

People on the internet tend to suck as well, but if your goal is to seek out that negativity you're perfectly playing to the tune of modern internet trends. What's much more beneficial, and I think that a good chunk of people here realize it, is finding people you're able to associate with and form connections through common interests. I strive to do this because I don't like the idea of wasting my life away in this world as a miserable cretin, I'd much rather do the things I enjoy and burn away my life in some form of peace. And on the internet I can easily escape the obligations and societal norms forced upon me IRL which makes it easy to express myself truly without the normal burdens. If not for this, I'd probably be out in the streets rallying people to burn down the wretched system that forces us to give up the boundless available pleasure of the modern age we've created for ourselves.

>>156091
This is a form of self deceit. I understand where you're coming from and to an extent I do it myself. But I define it more as
>I take the time and I take the attention to be a cool person to be around to the people who do end up around me
but I don't attach myself to any of them, because so far what I've learned is that that only hurts me. In other words, if you're not egregiously kuso as a person, I treat you with respect and kindness. And I do "believe" in you to an extent. But so far it has never been enough to really truly become excited about smbd and what we could do together without being let down. And sometimes it takes a decade or more for me to really get to know somebody enough to realize that I don't really want to have this person in my life. ... I'm not angry at them, I'm not even sad, but I just acknowledge my flaws and not being able to pick up on these things much much quicker. But you can see why I became cautious to say the least. I do have warm interactions. Namely with the person that due to business or hobbies or whatever reason end up in my personal space. I don't prevent myself from being myself around them. Although I do tone it down, tone myself down when I'm around people. I try to curb my enthusiasm because I know they will end up hurting me for no good reason whatsoever. Except that they're assholes to themselves and as a result to everyone else. I kind of prefer not to really know that. So while I don't fool myself like you do into thinking I have real friends, I kind of just assume good faith, but never really try to get close to anyone. Especially not girls, Jesus fuck, those people are even worse clusterfuck than most men...

But again, I have no bitterness. It's just that I keep to myself. I don't think that's such a bad thing. And experientially, at least for me personally, I know it has been incredibly and unbelievably healing. I used to think there's no joy in me whatsoever. I used to think I'm incapable of ecstasy or happiness, I just thought I was born sad. Turns out that's not the case. At all. It took me a certain amount of isolation to realize that and to finally start feeling Joy for the first time in life.

>>156091
>boundless available pleasure of the modern age we've created for ourselves.
It's so true. And in my opinion all it takes is to tell each other truth, to be basically real with each other. I don't know why everybody seems to be so opposed to these simple ideas. But I'm not one to force people into anything. If they don't want to, I guess I'll have to do my thing alone.

>>156094
Why I say it's enough to just be real with each other? Because if we can lean on each other, if we know we can trust each other, which is such a fucking rare thing... Our natural inclination is to create amazing awesome and beautiful things. And together we could do it so easily. But for whatever reason, everybody seems to be hell-bent on either thinking and miserable ways or if they are indeed exciting people, then they are hell-bent on being kuso friends, undependable, untrustworthy, ignore you if it's inconvenient to address etc etc etc. people are cancer dude. I'm sorry, but it's just the truth. And even saying that and knowing that, I continue to give people chances, it's just that I'm not nearly as enthusiastic as I was as a kid. And that has been a net positive in my life.

>>156095
If you're old enough to write all of this up, it's evident you're choosing to stay in ego-inflation narrative where your identity risks to be about being all special and disappointed. People that do have low compatibility as their main active barrier don't have the arrogance and zeal.
You're not entitled to not being lied to, and the more demanding and overbearing you'll get, the less people will be interested in getting along with you beyond the actually basic universal standards (passersbies and acquaintances). No one's going to be like a perfect parent for you, not without repercussions. Relationships hinge on some flexibility and tolerance, so who would even want to stay in one where even some inevitable misunderstanding would straight up cause a nuclear blowout on seemingly crossing a line?

NTA (I know I have to specify this)

>>156103
idk dude. Whatever floats yous guys boat I guess. I find most of it so pointless and boring.

Why would you even consider smbd your friend if you occasionally lie to them. IDK IDK. All boring af IMO.

>You're not entitled to not being lied to
This kind of thinking is exactly why I stay away from all of yall.
Yall don't realize you yourselves are making your life 10x 100x more boring than it really needs to be. But to each their own so on and so on..

Enjoy your half assed relationships that lead fucking nowhere and have no peace or passion in them anyway. Or maybe it great relationships, idk, idc tbh. This talk itself is tiring me. Never the less thanks for the chat.

>>156074
hylic

^didn't read the thread ergo knows not the argument

sage negated

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