>>153692
>Generalize the pool of potential partners, which leads to a strong negative bias as to their assumed traits
Word.
>the primary reason for a relationship is to have kids
I also think that that's a you-thing.
Not everyone who wants a relationship is interested in ever having kids.
>>153697
>All women are whores
Legit maidenless speak. Most of my close women friends have never had a boyfriend nor sex, the incl thing was actually started by a "late-bloomer" woman who wanted to connect lonely individuals with one another before men started blaming women for their loneliness and laid claim to the term. I hate the notion that all computer addicted hikkeys are men while girlfailures are ignored because what, they're assumed to be fat and unattractive and therefore don't exist? So annoying

>>153712
There are no girls on the internet.

>>153692
¥overemphasize their own negative traits to justify their pessimistic outlook without doing anything to rectify the issue
My biggest negative trait is that I'm extremely lazy, which seems to be an issue that's impossible to rectify. I wish I had a wife and kids but there is no way to get there that isn't blocked by laziness. Maybe someday there'll be a draft for a big war my country gets involved in, and if I successfully dodge that draft there'll be such a shortage of men that a woman will settle for me. That or inheriting millions of dollars from a rich relative that most likely doesn't exist dying are the only two possible scenarios I can see that don't result in my bloodline ending with me.

>>153714
Says the girl...

>>153712
>>All women are whores
Whom are you quoting? How would you "make sure", exactly?

>>153699
Listen all you need to do is have sex and have at least 4 kids.

I was/am too avoidant and insecure to get a gf, one girl I had made every signal and more to and she reciprocated, like I was beyond in, but I didn't have it in me to seal the deal. Assumed it wouldn't work out and got scared the closer I got to her. I'd apologize to her if I could, at the same time I almost feel bad for my child self for being so hopeless as well.
And now being a hikkineet is too humiliating for me to make any friends at all. I used to have some good ones though, so at least I can draw on some memories of what good looks like.

Anime definitely opened me to love and romance but I think I've always had a pretty decent delineation between fiction and reality. I feel like true love is when you've passed being enamored lovers and become content just farting around on a couch with your partner. As much as I like romance it seems like people get too high on ephemeral romance getting into quick marriages/divorces, ideally I'd wait an annoying amount of time before getting married, becoming a married couple before marriage basically.

>>153712
>Not everyone who wants a relationship is interested in ever having kids.
True, and I don't really get why people can't see this and by extension call any relationship that doesn't lead to procreation worthless. There's plenty of ways for one to leave a legacy without needing to have kids.

This thread really went full on normblog mode after the hack.

>>153723
the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms the norms

>>153723
Why couldn't you have said this before I made a post, I thought this was the vibe

>>153712
There are exceptions, of course, but the vast majority of people who want serious, long-term relationships with another person are planning for kids to be part of it. You can want the other benefits of a relationship without wanting kids, but those things are all much, much easier to replace with substitutes or less serious relationships.

Also, it doesn't matter what gender hikkis are because they've placed themselves outside the pool of applicants. Girlfailures just get less sympathy because the barrier they have to overcome to get a partner is basically 100% in their own mind.

>>153722
>There's plenty of ways for one to leave a legacy without needing to have kids
Yes, but people who have a higher purpose don't go on imageboards to whine about >tfw no gf. They don't need to do mental gymnastics to justify their lack of action, they just say there's something more important they're working towards.

>>153725
i can SMELL the normness off your non-stinky washed self

>>153725
It's understandable that you'd see a thread about the meta reasons for ronery threads and think it was a ronery thread, it's a fine line between sharing an idea that is informed by your personal experience and just throwing your personal situation into the pile. We've also let all those blog threads go on forever so it's our own fault if newcomers think blogging is the norm here.

I don't know why the word "normie" keeps popping up here, though. That's not something anyone on kissu or its adjacent communities have ever been accepting of.

Roughly half of girls I tried to get to know better (mostly the ones that seemed at least remotely interesting) were such absolutely hollow gossipy individuals that I could feel my disappointment physically on each realization, almost as perceptible pain. "What am I doing with my life, spending my time with a person like this."
Other girls are more dynamic for the worse, either seeing you as what you aren't and then getting offended when they get a reality check, or having no fidelity whatsoever and seeing you as just another statistic to retrieve the validation their minds depend on from, or trying to drag you into their composite boyfriend system that involves other guys, each is a partial boyfriend.
None of them have enough psychological development, and all of them will stink, will age, will succumb to the sweetness of power games, will try to inflict psychological damage on you purposely or accidentally, won't be there for you when you turn into a wreck for just a little bit longer than they will endure.
People barely ever truly mature, men or women. They do get more calloused and more sly in ways to sell themselves. So I wouldn't rely on some vague hopes of a bad relationship like such cases to improve, because I had seen for myself and others that it doesn't work this way.
So, in my experience, relationships are states of an interpersonal social contract where you're to choose between 2 extremes of reasons to commit suicide. I hate Schopenhauer, by the way.

>>153359
That's what I'm thinking. "Normal people" are conditioned into being battered wives without having any of the positives of being a wife.
>and what you were doing besides the vague misanthropy thing
I don't understand your question.
>what specific books those are
48 Laws Of Power (I learned such things before I had read the infamous book, but it's easier to recommend this book), Freud therapy stuff, Jung therapy stuff, DBT therapy stuff, basics of evolutionary biology's signaling theory (the last one has a caveat for outcasts in that your outcast aura/appearance/habits can be actually advantageous if you handle yourself with acceptance of yourself, i.e. as per the 48LoP). It's more than enough to run circles around almost anyone.

>>153731
but what about lacan

>>153734
What about Lacan?

>>153738
what about lacanian psychoanalysis

>>153739
I don't remember finding it practically useful.

>>153692
>are uncomfortable with having their routine disrupted by needing to slot in another person
It's legitimately almost disturbing how much this one line fits me, and I didn't even properly recognize this myself until you spelled it out.
That being said
>you sit in front of your computer lazing away like that's all there will ever be to life.
> being less fit for accomplishing what you should have done a decade ago
>but are those what you want to be surrounded by on your death bed? Is that the legacy you want to want to leave behind?
I don't concern my self with something in the far far future. I sometimes even actively stop myself from worrying too much over things that are in the medium-far future because whatever problem turns up there's always some solution to it, typically not much worse than whatever solution I'd have to spend breaking my back over a decade ahead. (excluding health of course)
I don't even need to dump a bunch of text explaining why or how I became like this, because it's simple. I just wanna take things easy. A boring life where nothing in particular happens until I randomly kick the bucket watching holographic TV sounds perfect for me.
I don't want to spend time conjuring up potential future unfortunate scenarios, or thinking about how I'll randomly grow regrets like tumors, because just as I act to solve my current problems, I can solve future ones as well.
And if I end up regretting it? I'll just have to suck it up. I don't expect life to be perfect at all times and I sure as hell am not going to move mountains to make it perfect.

>>153747
>excluding health of course
It's weird that you can acknowledge a clear example of where your philosophy falls on its face and still adamantly defend it. But I guess the only cure for short-termism is a long life.

>>153751
Philosophy doesn't apply to physical health. I can't say I do a whole lot more than eat less bad food and ride my bike to where I need to go though

>>138101
I've come to accept that either fate/universe/God will deliver her to me, or she doesn't exist. Better not to force these things. This attitude frees up a lot of mental energy to use for other purposes.

>>153731
>I hate Schopenhauer, by the way.
Why do you hate Schopy?

>>153728
>I don't know why the word "normie" keeps popping up here, though. That's not something anyone on kissu or its adjacent communities have ever been accepting of.
Yeah, it's always been "norp" and "the norms".

I realized that what I really wanted from a tfw gf is a pet loli for sex and housekeeping and making babies with. No intellectual stimulation needed because the internet already provides that.

>>138101
I don't give a fuck about getting a gf. what I care about the people around being a pain in my ass.
>call company to ask question
>woman tells me thing
>ask a different question about thing
>woman repeats thing with louder voice (does not answer new question)
example 2:
>enter job site
>go to relieve employee
>it's a black person
>they or their car smell like weed
don't know why anyone would want a gf in this economy

>>153753
What the fuck are you talking about? Do you seriously think physical health is the only area where your current actions can create or prevent problems in the future?

>>153692
Sure, all valid points, but I am perfectly content with my life. Even if it's not a great one, a job is a means to an end, and that end is the hobbies that make me happy.

>the primary reason for a relationship is to have kids
This is also true, however, making them is the easiest part. Children are a massive investment and TLC isn't enough to raise them anymore. Modern society is gay and hellbent on squeezing blood from stones. It's not like it was 50 years ago.

While I would love to have kids, they don't have a choice on being born and I have no idea what kind of future they'll have given the climate of things. I couldn't tell you what cost of living is going to look like in 5 years, let alone the 20 some years you're supporting one or more of your spawn. If me and a wife both work just to support them financially, then what time is there to actually raise them? I was blessed to have a good childhood, but I could tell there was a change in the late 2000s where both parents started to work a lot more and argue a lot more. I don't even want to get into what kind of shit they'll be fed in schools, but educating them and setting them up for adult life isn't one of them.
tl;dr unless I move to a place that isn't cock and ball torture for starting a family, popping out kids just isn't in the docket. So I stopped worrying about it.

>>153751
Health has simple cause and effect over any period of time. It's predictable. My actions are the sole input of the resulting consequence. I eat shit, therefore I feel like shit. As opposed to everything else in life where you get screwed despite doing everything right. Why should I stress myself to death worrying about current interest rates or whatever when it all becomes moot in a few years due to change out of my control. Make a token common sense preventative like slipping money into savings and stop worrying about it.

>>153753
>Philosophy doesn't apply to physical health.
Probably not what you were meaning, but in a way it can. Mental health impacts your physical health. The most obvious is stress and anxiety.

>>153751
That wouldn't cure anything, it'd just expose problems while providing no solutions. Getting a wife so you can have children to take care of you when you're broken down doesn't have a strong enough air of romance to make me want to do anything. It sounds kind of gross, actually.

>>153791
This seems to be another recurring theme in this thread where people see no middle ground between devoting every second of every day to stressing about negative possibilities and putting no effort whatsoever into building or maintaining human relationships. I'm not sure if it's an intentional fallacy to create a greater sense of justification for the status quo or just a mental shortcoming when basing analysis on vague anecdotes and other low-context data.

Also, always funny to see people lament the way things used to be while simultaneously holding up a "common sense" completely foreign to that time.

>>153792
Brushing your teeth and putting money in a retirement account isn't romantic either, so you probably shouldn't do those either.

>>153795
You're doing possibly both of those things wrong if they're not romantic enough for you.

>>153692
The only foolproof way to create a legacy is by making a mark on the world. That's why figures like Newton are remembered and your ancestors are not. After a few generations, people will have forgotten about you, if it ever gets to multiple generations, that is. You better hope your descendants avoid terrible misfortunes, like a car crash, succumbing to a pandemic, dying in a school shooting, or any of the many hardships that life may throw at them, so they can have children. Even worse for a traditionalist would be the possibility that your children might choose not to have children at all.
>Just making sure she hasn't fucked another guy before ensures a statistical likelihood of a long-lasting marriage.
Are you sure you're in a position to point out statistical likelihoods? You made a biased point as well. Women who haven't yet had sex by the time they're in the average age for marriage (tiny number by the way) are most likely to be religious, and religious people tend to avoid divorce overall even if their marriage is subpar.

>>153800
"leaving a mark on the world" is fairly nebulous, if you read the thread you can see anonymous' argument is more practical than that
i largely agree with him, but the person i love said no, so i'm working on it

>>153787
No, obviously not. What I am saying is that I prioritize and adjust my efforts. I don't health crazy serious or anything, but if possible I don't wanna feel like a zombie by the age of 35 because I end up eating only fast food or something. In that condition where my body is functioning badly, there's fundamentally no easy fixing for it and it'll make every other aspect in my life much worse.
Not having a gf or kids is something I can perfectly live without, having those things would be an investment that I outright don't want to deal with.
Thats what I mean by taking it easy; I'd rather put most of my work and effort towards my very small bubble rather than overextend and burn the living shit out of myself.

>>153800
That's some next level pessimism that looks at a world with 8 billion people and average life expectancies in the 80s and decides it's so likely that all of your offspring will die without children that it's not even worth attempting.

And now you're setting up a system where you will never be satisfied. If she doesn't stay with you forever then she's a whore not worth your time and if she does stay with you she's just prolonging your misery. Generalizations.

I've noticed that I feel more laidback and less misanthropic when I'm actually around people I interact with and that I don't straight up dislike.
It really sucks that I have no free time and energy for new acquaintances to experiment on my introspection with because of w*rk.

>>138101
>conversations we'd have in the past about failed norms vs true sages. But then there's been plenty of stuff I've seen strewn about the internet about "epidemics" of people without love and how it's a big social issue or whatnot
Remember - normal people don't exist anymore.

>>153731
>I don't understand your question.
I was asking what specific... techniques you were employing when dealing with "normal" people. Your answer about the books gives some hints already, though, especially the 48 Laws of Power one, I need to reread it.
You also mention using the outcast status to your own advantage. I'm curious about it.

>>153807
Pessimism? If you want to be a parent then go ahead, I'm not an anti-natalist. Perhaps the tone of my previous post may have been too confrontational, so I want to clarify that I'm attacking the cancerous idea that people should have children for any reason other than a desire to be parents. First, your sense of fulfillment is reliant on someone else, who must not be taken for granted, as I pointed out in my post. Second, if you're not fit to be a parent, you'll cause long-term misery for another person just to satisfy your own pride. Do not reproduce out of sheer societal pressure.

>>153846
Explain that to my parents who totally expected me to jump at the chance of getting with some overweight single mother.
I might be just a little more than a manchild with a mediocre job, but I still have dignity.

>>154622
Same. I get that they're just being practical considering what's available to the poor souls who didn't find a partner in school, but there's a point where you can't reasonably lower the bar any more.

>>154638
I find that especially insulting that NOW they woke up and doing interventions instead of like ten years ago when they preferred to tell me I still got time. Father now tries to shame me into going after that single mother by boasting how he (allegedly) got plenty of girlfriends at youth, but of course he didn't bother teaching me anything about that.

Not only I'm a bit too old to get a cute gf, but the culture also went to shit, with both offline AND online dating becoming impossible to do(former due to some social scare of rapists or whatever and latter because dating apps are designed to make money first and connect people third + swiping culture) and also women also getting memed into chasing careers into large cities instead of starting families.
I'm not the only one being alone in my town.
Shit's fucked, but the older folks simply can't comprehend it.

It got bumped again

>>154641
BOOOOO. GIRLFRIEND GIRLFRIEND RELATIONSHIPS JOB APPLICATION OBLIGATIONS EYE CONTACT TAXES HAIRCUT. DID I SCARE YOU?

die
norps
die

>>154644
AAAAAAAAAAAAA TASUKETE SENKO-SAN

You know, all this being said and done, I think I'd be down for a robot wife.
Is it just a convenient toy that takes the place of a human with non of the intricate emotional ties? A relationship with non of the commitment and responsibility? An easy way to avoid developing as a person?
Hell YEAH it is, IT'S ALL I EVER WANTED!!!!

>>138101
In my experience, the vast majority of people who can't get a GF don't really like women to begin with. They never put themselves in situations where they could theoretically initiate a relationship, and when they do, they have nothing but complaints. I honestly think that a lot of them are flat out gay, but never really considered seeking out male companionship.

>>153692
>Also, the primary reason for a relationship is to have kids. Any list of "reasons why I've ascended beyond the need for a gf" that doesn't address this point is completely pointless. Onaholes and meal prep and roombas are great for satisfying your short-term needs, but are those what you want to be surrounded by on your death bed? Is that the legacy you want to want to leave behind?
¥The purpose of life is to create more life which creates more life ad-infinitum
Am I the only one who thinks that this is a nightmarish, nauseating way of looking at the world?

>>154815
>Am I the only one who thinks that this is a nightmarish, nauseating way of looking at the world?
It is, everyone who thinks like this is insane.