No.34732
None of what you just said even makes any sense...
Just sit back and think about your post for a second.
No.34733
And the anarchistic beliefs of egalitarianism run contradictory to benefits of military strength.
Strength does not come from a group of people studying theory and observing. It comes from a cult like adherence to a symbol
No.34734
>>34732If I could reduce it to a single point, it's that liberals believe in pacifism while conservatives believe in fanaticism
No.34735
>>34734Neither of those points are true, particularly not from a non-American view point.
No.34736
>>34735i should have said democrat then. Even then the ideals of pacifist and inclusionist egalitarianism are getting destroyed everywhere by fascist ideals
No.34737
>>34736The USA isn't everywhere. It's one place.
No.34738
Small penises
No.34739
>>34737Germany, Argentina, France, Israel... you must be a pacifist waiting to be eradicated.
If society has lost wealth or gone through a great hardship, they want fanatacism. It's a failing of liberalism that they can't create a civil war to waste these people's agression
No.34740
US Feminists will be like "oh we lost rights so we have to elect a leader who will help us". Meanwhile in Korea they make birth rate strikes, commit violence, dox. If you aren't willing to murder someone over your ideals why even have them when the enemy would do the same to you for speaking them.
No.34741
>>34739Civil wars are generally seen as a bad thing so not being able to have them is actually a good thing. They don't tend to produce egalitarian, pacifist societies either.
>>34740Are you sure that you are not a a fascist yourself? Serious question.
No.34742
>>34741Violence is not inherently fascist. It's a tool which you use first then justify with propaganda
No.34744
>>34742That wasn't a denial, in fact with what you followed it up with it almost sounds like an admission.
No.34745
>>34744If I were to commit a coup(through violent means potentially) against a fascist government to replace it with a democracy, it would be technically no different from a fascist one replacing a democracy(through political means potentially).
Pacifism does nothing.
No.34746
that you are so diehard in branding militarism as a staple of fascism is truly why egalitarianism is dead.
No.34747
>>34745Nobody lives in a fascist government accept the Chinese. You are talking about political violence with the aim of toppling democratic government, not authoritarian ones. That's how you create Fascism.
No.34748
>>34747I'm talking about the lack of extremism in liberal movements as the reason why they will always lose to fanaticism
No.34749
seriously, just think about it. If a person believes that God or a President ordains them to behave a certain way, how can a liberal philosophy that values individual freedom possibly compete without going towards extremism?
No.34750
sigh small liberal penis lost again to fashy MAGAcock
No.34751
You sound like a faggot child molesting redditor, go back there.
No.34752
>>34749Hell, the only reason why you think that you don't need extremism to win politically is because in liberal governments the state monopolizes violence and it's the opposition who has to weazzle their way through it and subvert it, but if the state has weakend to allow others to overthrow it, then the keys have changed.
You are now the fascists to the new rulers
No.34753
>>34748Extremism and fanaticism are the same thing. You are advocating that a democratic government counter fascism by being fascist.
The democratic world isn't losing to Fanaticism either. In fact the most liberal societies are actually combatting it the best(see Australia where the conservative party is the liberal party). Sure there are right wing movements but they aren't as bad as you seem to think, look at Meloni's Italy, it's fine.
Trump is a bit different but that's more to do with the unique nature of America and American government. Though having said that, it's still probably going to be fine.
>>34749Extremists are a minority and so can;t gain power in a democracy and if they aren't a minority then it's the will of the people(and violence would not help anyway as they outnumber you).
>>34752All (functioning)governmen
ts monopolise violence and that's a good thing.
No.34754
>>34741also on the civil war concept, the idea I was presenting was that in times of hardship people want a civil war and it's the leader's job to create a fake one.
No.34755
>>34753You are in denial. Simple as. Maybe I can convince you another day when I think things through a bit more.
No.34756
>>34754Yes, some kind of fake war against a vulnerable people that can be used to direct anger. Like I don't know, the Jews maybe?
Don't you see that your rhetoric is fascist?
>>34755I doubt it but then to be fair this is the internet and nobody wins arguments on the internet anyway.
No.34757
Lets drop the political ideas all together. The liberalism and conservatism. Lets focus on the idea of Orthodox Religions vs Transgender or any sort of people who have beliefs that are considered freaky.
TS people may try to behave in their own spheres and be isolated and try to coexist in the system. The government may or may not allow that. But if the two are in a bar and both drunk in a salon in the middle of the desert, then what is the right choice of action when the orthodox starts trying to rally people against them?
No.34758
The single TS person must become an extremist, or extremist in nature. There is no way anyone will ever believe their position as just, the bar is drunk and they want blood. They are the only one that believes what they do and they want to live. They have no choice but to be extremist. A minority who wants equality has no choice but to pull out a gun
No.34759
it might be criminal to kill a person who wants to kill you, but if you have no rights of self defence then you have no government. It's not fascist but revolutionary
No.34760
essentially, in this example it presents a situation of kill or be kill. But you could extend this to their beliefs in what is considered legal medical treatments and then craft a similar response that is within our overtone window
No.34761
>>34757TS people don't behave themselves in their own spheres and try to co-exist. They are a very vocal minority.
>>34758Once they get extreme, popular opinion goes against them and they do more harm to their own cause than good. We are seeing this happen in real time. In fact I think that itself played a huge part in the US election. The average person is fed up with it and they are fed up with the way that TS people and their allies are behaving.
>>34759Self defence is a different matter entirely and it's legal to defend yourself in most countries.
>>34760It's not kill or be killed though. It's kill and get killed. Don't kill and survive.
No.34762
>>34761You have pacifist ideals baked into your head. Equality is equality.
If person is allowed to do it then another is too. There should be not individualized tribal violence against someone. Such freedoms do not exist so the allegory stands as truth.
No.34763
Your pacificism is so entrenched that you do not see MAD as a possibility in the example as why the violent solution could be correct. Run away and survive? Why not threaten the situation where one person dies along with you? Someone in the crowd does not want to be that person...If it's literally everyone though then sure
No.34764
>>34762Nobody is allowed to do it... There is no individualised tribal violence against people in democratic societies. Such freedoms do exist, people are not killing TS people in the streets.
>>34763If there is a minority that is seen to be extreme and seen to do things like that they get dealt with by the government. We do that with fascists, we do it with Muslims extremists, we do it with anybody who threatens the peace and threatens to harm people.
No.34765
>>34764People are allowed to do it and get away with it because freedom of speech allows for people to create unjustified attacks on unspecified people. There is no libel defence against attacking a minority.
And no, there is nothing dealt to extremists if they play the game right. You must attack in order to achieve a goal. If your attack sucks then you die, if you do it right then you are now normalized.
No.34766
An attack could be subverting the democratic process through bomb threats sent from anonymous addresses(this was done in black neighbourhoods in the US). You can become a politician who accepts bribes from other countries.
You can't do it clean. You'll lose to the established powers
No.34767
>>34765They aren't allowed to. Murdering TS people is clearly illegal...
Also there are liberal defences against saying mean words to minorities. There are literally laws against that in most liberal countries.
If by playing the game right you mean not actually being extremists then yes. Attacking only gets you crushed, it doesn't help and also what you fail to acknowledge is that what you are talking about for TS people applies equally if not more so to fascist, you are advocating that fascists kill people. You are saying that fascists need to kill people to achieve their goals.
>>34766Both of those are illegal and don't really help.
No, you have to do it clean or else you will lose to the established powers. Accepting bribes form foreign powers is a quick way to end a political career.
I don't mean to be mean but you really don't seem to understand much about the world. Most of the problems that you think there are already have laws in place to prevent then and most of the actions that you think would help would only make things worse and also have laws in place to prevent them.
No.34768
>>34767You are naive and pretending as if you are more informed than me.
No.34769
Honestly, quite sad that you don't see how established powers surpress all minorities and that even with freedom of speech restrictions and such they are not everyone is given equality due to the presence of people who value morality and their feelings over the law
No.34770
Well, I guess it should really be surprised. You seem like an incredibly normal person who has never had to deal with being not accepted by others
No.34771
like LMAO, you don't think that debate is an attack or that protest is an attack either. You are just a typical liberal wimp who has never realisitically considered the means to the end. Sad. Wimp
No.34772
Honestly, this pussy generation.
No.34773
>>34768No, clearly I just am more informed than you are.
>>34769Go and look up who the last British PM was and who the current head of the conservative party is. And this is the CONSERVATIVE party.
>>34770Not being accepted by others is the default for me, I just don't care.
>>34771You were quite clearly talking about political violence and murder, don't try to twist this into something else.
No.34774
>>34773You are a sad and twisted person who thinks an Indian in the UK means anything.
You simply wish for others to suffer in silence like you do. There's no saving you. You will be lost until your brethren break the shackles for you and you coast off of their sacrifice
No.34775
>>34774It means a lot.
I'm not suffering, that's the thing... It's actually a pretty good society to live in even if you don't fit in.
This guy
>>34772 is right, we do have a pussy generation, the pussys are the people like you that complain about every little thing and the fantasy about murdering people over it on the internet though.
Though I would rather that my 'brethren' don't try to break the society that keeps me comfortable and turn it into Nazi Germany or the USSR instead and so maybe it's a good thing that they are pussys.
No.34776
>>34775>and the fantasy aboutand then fantasise about
No.34778
>>34775The only person in this thread is me and I am talking about you who does not want to do anything to combat the unpoliced violence
launched by those who threaten the system of equal opportunity for all regardless of birth
No.34779
honestly, people like you will say "oh we need more scientific progress so I can live longer" and then in the same breath say "I don't want anyone to make changes to our social order though and perhaps come up with a system/correct they system that is leading to inneficiency"
No.34780
You fucking "centrists" in name only who want to cause people to die of polution or get harmed through lead contaminations simply because you don't want to rock the boat. Fuck you.
No.34781
How can you possibly be pro equality when some people are born in wastelands that lead to birth defects? Is environmental destruction not real to you? Did you simple think I was talking about liberal vs conservative? YOu fucking twerp who pretends to know shit. Fuck off. You parasite
No.34782
You worm in liberal democracies. You should have your freedoms revoked
No.34783
>>34778I know it was you, that's why I said what I did. There is no unpoliced violence launched by those who threaten the system of equal opportunity for all regardless of birth and the only person advocating for that kind of behaviour is you.
>>34779Small changes are okay and small changes can and do happen.
>>34780It's the centrist governments who are doing the most to combat climate change and pollution...
>>34781And that kind of thing can be and is being addressed by centrists governments.
>>34782Why don't you just come out and admit that you are a fascist?
No.34784
>>34783you are a prime example of why dialog will never work.
No.34785
>>34784Yes, because no matter how reasonable what I say is there are always going to be people like you and millions of other silly people on the internet and it's pointless trying to reason with them and there are more of them on the internet than there are people like me(because most people like me would have a good job and a life and so not bother getting into dumb arguments on the internet).
No.34786
>>34785You have a good life for nothing. You are a social parasite
No.34787
>>34740Isn't it funny that SK has a super low birth rate then?
No.34788
nina
No.34789
>>34786That's true and it's part of why I say that liberal-democracies are great societies. I wouldn't be able to live happily and peacefully on welfare and dividends in Nazi Germany, the USSR or in a society of violence like you want.
No.34790
>>34787birth rate issues are a prime example of when people think that feminist issues only apply to women. Since people don't think you can lock girls up in breeding chambers there needs to be enough incentives for parents to want to have kids
No.34791
>>34790Isn't it super funny that women get to work straight out of college while the men are forced into a draft against a forever war?
Isn't it super fucking hilarious that these women act like the men are their enemy instead of realizing that they could be wiped the fuck out by NK in an instance?
No.34792
>>34791Isn't it funny how I advocate for violence against you
No.34793
South Korea is a highly urbanised society, as are most western nations and that's one reason why birth rates are so low. There just isn't the ability to buy a house that would fit many kids or by the time you could you would be infertile.
The change in a woman's role in society is another reason. They spend too much time getting an education and working. Societies will have to increase spending on childcare but that's easier said than done.
No.34794
>>34793How reductionist of you. Everything is perfectly normal everywhere!
No.34795
>>34792Wow you mean I should be militant against people who hate me and try to do everything in my power to kill them?
Thanks Vermin, I'll keep that in mind.
No.34797
>>34794It is what it is whether you think I am being reductionist or not. This issue isn't new either. Society has been urbanising and women haven been in the work place for a while and so birth rates have been declining for a while.
No.34798
>>34795As if it matters. There are no political leaders so every person should be for themselves. Guns were created and are popularized to fill in the holes in kuso law enforcement
No.34799
>>34798That's clearly not the case Anarchist wannabe.
No.34800
The only rule of law of the coming decades is how many of the other guys will you kill before they kill you? Mutually assured destruction
No.34801
>>34796What are you trying to say here?
No.34802
>>34801You're a sheltered brat who pretends to know about other countries
No.34803
>>34802You know celebrities get in sex scandals in every country right? What are you trying to say?
No.34804
>>34803Oh ya dude, it's totally normal for there to be a huge incident of kpop singers talking about how they rape and drug women. Happens every day in the West(that was sarcasm you tool)!
No.34805
You just have no sense of scale. Social criticism is wasted on you
No.34806
So is this one of the two kissu women bitching about men or some shit?
No.34807
>>34804Have you even heard of the Me Too movement? Also maybe you should look up that rape case happening France, the one where for years a man drugged his wife to sleep and let 50 men have their way with her. Things like this happen everywhere.
>>34805I think it's you that lacks a sense of scale. What country do you think has a higher number fo rapes? South Korea or the USA?
No.34808
>>34807Are you seriously ignorant of the problem of reporting rape in misogynistic cultures? Wow, I knew you were ignorant of social issues, but that settles it. You are just retarded.
And you're talking about a domestic violence case as a counter argument to an issue of people of sex crime ring happening in the open for years.
No.34809
>>34808Okay you type like a woman, like are you a woman? A fag? Did you answer the poll from like I think it was 6 months ago?
No.34810
did you know that afghanistan has less rapes per capita than the US! It's because Islamic protections towards women work
No.34811
>>34808That's not a defence. Go and look at the rape statistics for South Korea and the USA. You are the one who is ignorant.
No.34812
>>34810It's just underreported :^)
No.34813
k, i'm done retardo and Drafted SK Anon
No.34814
>>34813Okay so this a woman.
You got steam? Add me on steam so we can have a lively conversation about women's rights and all that: A Spook Kuma
No.34816
>>34813Did you look them up or should I do it for you?
No.34817
>>34815That is simply not true.
No.34819
>>34814Don't be sexist, saying he is a woman would be an insult to women.
No.34820
>>34819How is that sexist?
I'm not asking you to show your tits; like get off it nigga.
No.34821
Well it's about 4 times higher in the USA than in South Korea.
But rape statistics are complicated because different nations classify it differently and report it differently, this is a legal matter and not a cultural one however. I think that's why Britain has so many, because they have a broader definition of it or something like that.
Also saying that the Koreans report less because Misogyny is stupid and reductionist.
But anyway, it's not a pleasant topic so I'm not going too far into it.
No.34823
>>34807>Have you even heard of the Me Too movement? Also maybe you should look up that rape case happening France, the one where for years a man drugged his wife to sleep and let 50 men have their way with her. Things like this happen everywhere.yeah that was me tehe :p
No.34827
>>34825He misses the point that people react to losses of wealth rather than absolute wealth
No.34828
absolute territory
No.34830
It's not a losing strategy if you play it correctly, but passiveism is. MLK did pacifism right. Just accepting things being the way they are and resisting any change because it could be scary is how you never accomplish anything. And at the same time being so incapable of holding a position that you never speak up about anything too radical on your own side that is obviously going against basic human nature to the point it could harm your movement is equally retarded.
No.34832
Imagine, having a political movement for the 'people' that is so unfathomably unpopular that black homeless people who should be heavy in your court find Trump to be the candidate of normalcy and a better future.
The left is full of ivory tower charlatans high on their own farts and incapable of relating themselves or their messaging to the common folk anymore.
No.34834
>>34832Which is a shame because economically the positions of the left are extremely popular with people all around.
No.34835
>>34832But also I mean, look at how well the graphs from the Harvard educated Sociologist and Gender Studies major say idpol messaging is doing with that marginalized group! SURELY this is effective marketing and we should push even more of it because people weren't feeling appealed to in their isolated group enough. National identity, what's that?
No.34836
>>34835are you SURE that's what happened this sounds a bit shaky to me
No.34837
>>34836Of course, La'Shaneekwa (White Passing agender female of color xer/xhe) has been excellent in providing tips on how Democrats can really dig down and speak to those uneducated simpletons who are too lacking in proper teaching to understand how good the party is for them and how bad that other vision of a unified America is because of its status is as an institutional and systemic racism purveyor. And also they are simply evil if they decide to stay uninformed on the nuance behind why that uniffied American vision is secretly racist and terriblefor the country, just like those scumbag Latino (sorry for not saying Latinx, but they don'tdeserve it) wetback monkeys that supported Trump. They could have at least recognized their privilege as males in this society and voted for the one female on the ballot.
No.34851
>>34843
People's lives are too comfortable now. That's why they don't fight against the system and it's why talk about communist ideas is really only surface level and performative. They talk about it but at the end of the day they know they have more to lose than they have to gain.
This is also much of the reason that left wing thinking has shifted away from communism and towards identity politics. Most of the people pushing identity politics are strongly entrenched into the capitalist system, games journalists and YouTubers are a good example of that(though Youtubers have less self awareness of this).
As for the reasons why people voted the way they did. Remember that many Latinos are catholic and many women are religious or conservative in other ways as well. This is the issue with identity politics, you create friction within the groups that you are actually trying to get the support of. A catholic Latino isn't going to support abortion or trans rights.
And also they are already in the US so deportations won't affect them anyway, in some cases they might actually want stronger borders for the same reasons that other people would.
What was interesting in this election was that even though abortion is a huge issue among many women, more women voted for Trump this time than they did in the last election.
No.34854
>>34843
>>34845
i like these posts but don't have anything to do add
No.34893
waddafug man
No.34897
>>34892sigh some of the only good posts in the thread and now they're gone guess the only thing left to do is post about burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice burnice b
No.34902
>>34892I remembered I don't like talking about politics and didn't want anyone to respond.
No.34918
>>34897burn, maidenless, burn