You wouldn't willingly go and post in a clearly tourist shitpost bait thread. Right, anon?

>>154386
Of course not I'd just post in the actual game thr-
Oh wait.

>>154387
Both of the game threads are nice at least since the bait threads serve as shitposting containment threads. I'll still post in the gameplay threads here since at least mods kill any potential thread derailers.

>>154386
That thread is genuine garbage, the fact that the mods sent it to 4/jp/ instead of deleting it really shows how much they regard that board.

Genuinely asking, what is the purpose of continuing to visit that poohole when all it does is to upset you? What good could possibly come from reading the opinions of /b/ teens who can't help but to shove at least 2 nu-chan memes into every post they make? I don't mind reading the 4chan gossip, it just frustrates me that you seem to keep going back even though you know that those people are below you.

>>154392
I guess its like watching the horror show get worse from the outside, but you are right, I should put it beneath me and move on.

>>154392
The more anons realize the old m00t-era 4chan is forever gone (which had its own faults but at least moot CARED for the site) and also that it'll continuously get worse and worse as it's being used as a testing ground for the current dogshit agitprop going around throughout the internet, the more it'll be easier for them to let go and move to greener pastures.

>>152995
samefag here
>his post was half a second before mine
>it was the very first post I've made today (crazy coincidence?)
now I'm in schizo territory because it feels like he rigged a bot to post at the same time as me. I may start needing to take meds soon.

>>154392
>Genuinely asking, what is the purpose of continuing to visit that poohole when all it does is to upset you?
People who do this always did it in the first place, and their love is pure nostalgia if not entirely fabricated. Some people are simply disabled that way.

4chan has it's uses, and it's general a preferable alternative to discussing hobbies on other communities.

>>154394
>but at least moot CARED for the site
more than one mod would be laughing at this statement

>>154423
I can confirm a janny was tailing a buddy I knew on his public irc because we kept coordinating posts on /g/ a few years back, they admitted to lurking the irc channel to know which thread we posted so they can delete it. They definitely have your IP and history of posts. Makes me want to dig through more of the /j/ dump

>>154427
>more than one mod would be laughing at this statement
I don't think so. If moot didn't care, he would've gave up much sooner and would've gone MIA like Hiro when you can't even talk to him on 4chan anymore (the best way is to reach out on Twitter as we found out during 4chan's downtime). It was only when 4chan started getting way more involved on the legal side and the newer parts of the website he couldn't keep in check that he bowed out. You might not call what he did "love" but he did actually set the bar for caring.

>>154429
>r and would've gone MIA
That's exactly what he did between 2008 and 2012,then returned, made /q/, hated it and disappeared again mid 2013 until gamergate, specially since he started networking with NYC tech people.

moot's cuntyness is legendary and the effed up, verbally abusive staff culture team4chan has is entirely his fault. "mootocracy" wasn't coined as a joke.

>>154428
he made the connection between two of my ritualposts and correctly called me out

>>154430
He disappeared for months at a time during that period but that doesn't even remotely qualify for MIA in terms of the neglect Hiro put the website through. Remember he was running a startup with canv.as too a few years before it launched in 2011 and that period of time coincided with him building the website and starting the company so anything he was doing during that time he was already interacting and being influenced by the tech scene there. He still posted on 4chan despite that.
I do agree he had some major flaws despite making that website that we all used to love and did some terrible sins like destroying original /jp/ by telling other boards to colonize it which killed the /a/ adjacent otaku culture it actually had or temporary solutions like captcha or structural issues in setting up 4chan initially like a friends group and never moving it past that and causing the issues we have now with the website. But let's be accurate what we are accusing him of. He never was absent truly in any sense of abandonment.

>>152995
>he replied to me, posting a screenshot of one of my posts
>he later *ALMOST* quoted what I said in that post while replying to me
I'm not even posting with the same posting pattern or anything. it's actually fucking over.

4/jp/ has entered it's final stage of cancer.
It'll be a slow and extremely painful death.

>>154809
What's different lately?

>>154809
What happened? /jp/ looks like the same idoltumor hell to me.

https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/279037723#p279066008
The private ban reason thing really triggered /pol/schizos.

>>154890
>09:32 (that post)
>10:51 (this post)
Is there a particular reason your ugly image spam over there deserves immediate mention here? Are you proud of it or something?

onimai is a lolicon anime

>>154891
what was the post

>>154901
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/279037723/#279066008
Just the usual /pol/dditor having a meltdown over nothing and spamming gore, ugly trannies and wojaks.

>>154891
>>154903
I'm just noting that a certain type of posters seem to assign a very high importance to private ban reasons. It's fascinating.

>>154430
I myself consider the benign neglect years, where the mod/janny team dwindled to about a dozen in total, the best years of the safe for work boards.
Till about 2011 when /v/ being off topic started to make them lose their minds. Curing cancer with aids etc etc

>>154936
The main thing still present during that time was that moderation and the userbase was still in step with one another and the culture was still intact despite the inflow of newfags like me who were encouraged to lurk and learn stuff before contributing something of value. That meant moderation could do its job well and without much hassle and the way moot scaled the team or did replacements for people that did leave was fairly stable and didn't cause too much issue. The issues in the 2010s that massively affected 4chan and every other website was userbase growth outstripping what moderation could do to keep quality up on most boards and moot's circle finally doing itself in by inviting shit people who started to exert and abuse their positions instead of making the website better. That meant that we had IRL incidents related to the website that far outstripped and put the website on the wrong side of attention where as opposed to con panels and Chanology, you saw the website get dragged into some major issues that were stupider like 4chan being involved in Gamergate and the Fappening instead which threatened the website at its very foundations that the other events I mentioned in the 00s never did.

>>154976
I've thought about it enough to write a big long gay wiki article about it but in my opinion, being there, the prerequisite for the mods and userbase falling out of line with one another was /v/ in the leadup to /vg/'s creation.
Go back a few more years in 4chan's history and the zeitgeist defining events were the cultural collapse of invasions, the scientology stuff, and other broadly defined "offsite activism" as moot would come to call it. The general temperature of 4chan in the late 00's was ridicule of srsbsns.
It's in this context that the janitor team nearly went extinct, where there was no public janitor recruitment from 08-12. There were a few of them left (so few that when moot rebooted the program all the holdouts were summarily promoted to full moderators) and a dozen or so mods (some nominal and disengaged almost entirely, several oldfag mods would be delisted in the early 10's for this) left over from the 00's. Rule breaking threads of even a not so fun variety would stay up for half a day. It's in that sort of de facto very liberal rule enforcement that the sfw boards started to really speciate and it's during that time that /v/ was increasingly seen as "blue /b/" by both users and team4chan. But in the meantime it had been years of divergent evolution between /v/'s users, some of whom are perfectly happy with shitposting it up in "blue /b/", and the mods who were eventually paying attention more closely and trying to force /v/ back on topic.
The mods frustrations in this effort boil over in 2012 and the janitor program is essentially relaunched, /vg/ is spun off, and the moderation suite is rewritten to be less cumbersome for them to use in 2013. The first mover in all this is again to force /v/ back on topic. After years of very serious effort I think the mods mostly succeeded in driving the funposters off of /v/. And because of what happened to /v/ other boards and their culture is suddenly suspect in the mods minds because if they leave them alone, they figure they too might eventually develop into a blue /b/, they've seen it before after all. So the heavy handed intervention into /v/ starts to become the mods standard MO. To them it's an ounce of prevention, to the other sfw board users suddenly the mods are all up in their culture for no fucking reason.

That becomes the crux of the conflict between team4chan and 4chan's users. What was considered completely normal on the sfw boards c. 2010 becomes seen by the mods as a slippery slope to a board turning into nighttime /v/ in 2012.

The great irony in all of this is that in striving to make first /v/ and then the other sfw boards more doggedly on topic, by throwing out the funposters/shitposters/I just wanna hang out with my anonymous friends type posters, they created fertile ground for gamergate. Because who's left after your cultural iconoclasm? Why it's the people who take themselves, their board topic, and the internet at large very seriously. The selection effect was to me at least super obvious even back in 2014.
4chan continues to struggle to this day with maladjusted schizophrenics camping out their cause celebre's threads because the lackadaisical take it easy culture of shutting those people out is long dead, and the mods killed it.

>>154983
in a way, you can say those schizos got their way with /qa/ and /bant/, while also trying to take over the zeitgeist of other boards as well. I can only see why the mods ignored /qa/ and eventually shut it down, it festered out of people's frustrations with the site, the mod team, and the internet's social evolution as a whole. the whole soyjak thing getting more and more depraved when it became clear there was nothing anons could do to make anything better, so they just doubled down on making things worse until people gave up.

>>154983
>there was no public janitor recruitment from 08-12.
Huh, that's surprising. Had to check bibanon, and it corroborates this.
It's an interesting and coherent narrative. I'm aware the Quinn drama is tied to her Depression Quest, which of course /v/irgins attacked as a walking simulator and not a real videogame. It doesn't seem to have survived in any current archive, but it's attested in articles like this one:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180929120757/https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/zoe-quinns-depression-quest
>“Next time she shows up at a conference we … give her a crippling injury that’s never going to fully heal … a good solid injury to the knees. I’d say a brain damage, but we don’t want to make it so she ends up too retarded to fear us.”
You can tell it's old because it doesn't say "in Minecraft." But yeah, certainly a good connection to draw between tightening moderation and tightening anuses in the userbase. I imagine having to throw out gators only worsened the state of things, but I myself only arrived around late 2015 and wasn't focused on the drama, instead looking for discussion of a certain series of novels that had somehow found itself on /jp/. I suppose its associated nonsensical, pointless, later heavily ignored rulefaggotry was also part of this whole ordeal.

>>154992
>I can only see why the mods ignored /qa/ and eventually shut it down

I have to correct this again. No, the mods did not ignore /qa/, leading to wojaks. The mods took over /qa/, leading to wojaks. It became a project of theirs in which they would devote significant time to watching things and guiding the culture. Restrictions placed on the board back when we were using it were lifted. I don't have the motivation to find them again, but they got stickies and CSS stuff to help cement the board as the place for antisocial wojak stuff. The wojak /qa/ was their creation.
No tears were shed when the monster turned on its master.

The catalog freeze on /a/ just now lasted for over 30 minutes. 7 new threads were made during that time, they still have 0 replies.

>>155000
I don't remember it exactly since I only looked at /qa/ every once in a while and the board quality was worse than anything [s4s] posted. Considering how much the jannies hated the place, I could see them pushing wojaks and whatnot to a boiling point, then releasing them out to cause trouble, and as you mentioned, its funny to see they came back to kill the site and destroy the people who created them.

>>154983
>by throwing out the funposters/shitposters/I just wanna hang out with my anonymous friends type posters, they created fertile ground for gamergate. Because who's left after your cultural iconoclasm? Why it's the people who take themselves, their board topic, and the internet at large very seriously.
I wonder if this is why /jp/ was able to maintain such a relatively high level of quality for so long compared to the other blue boards? I only arrived in 2012, so I don't have any memories of what /jp/ was like before all of this, but in my memory even in my time our janny was relatively tolerant of this sort of thing outside of the really egregious shitposters like niggy.
But then again niggy's posts were directly aimed towards the janny, so maybe the change in moderation strategy had already begun and it just looked lenient to me since I had nothing to compare it to.
Thank you for posting this! It was a very interesting read.

>>155022
/jp/ had its meido(s) sourced from something other than the then in abeyance janitor drives which is a significant reason. You had an exception to the rule where you basically only had people who got into the position before 2008 being increasingly divorced from the user population of the site.
/a/ for its part had, until 2014, a senior moderator that believed it was his job to steer things as the majority of the userbase wanted and that it squarely wasn't his job to enforce a personal (or even egalitarian) vision for the board.

>>155009
Don't casually drop rl names of staff

>>154983
You are entirely correct.

I can independently corroborate this with my personal experience of the era.
My first board was /x/ during the shitposting peak of 2010-2011 and the lack of moderation was palpable. Got to the point tripfag shitposters had literally managed to make every thread on the frontpage talk about them. Since /x/ was a minor board unlike /v/ they just considered it collateral and did nothing to help.
/x/ ended up quite literally depopulating within a year from the sheer weight of attentionwhoring and trolling. By 2012 it had like a fifth the activity it had in 2010, and the original userbase started getting replaced by conspiracy schizos.

We may argue creepypasta culture on IBs ran it's course and the /x/ activity bubble was inevitably going to burst. But there's such things like a graceful death, and the death by a thousand cuts that poor community went through was definitely not it.

I'd argue, however, that Gamergate wasn't because of /v/. 2014 /v/ still was very blue /b/, stealth shitposting and LOL threads were at their peak of influence.
Gamergate was quite literally an exodus of banned newfags from reddit and games forums to /v/ and eventually boiled into culture war shitte when the mods also banned it. Pretty sure you can trace the increase in activity on /v/ due to GG

>>155000
>The mods took over /qa/, leading to wojaks.
This is incorrect. No, not just the fact you keep mixing feelguys with jaks. Mods never encouraged soyjak posts.

Those happened because the mods refused to allow janitor-level moderation, and at no point in time did mod-level moderation ever become frequent enough to stop problems in /qa/. They failed to stop quite literally every shitposting streak and coordinated raid on the board from the first to the last.
Matter of fact you can quite literally trace individual mod attention by checking modpost and (BANNED) history in desuarchive, you'll find it comes in 2-3 month spurts before the mod just loses interest and stops browsing the board.

I did my research: soyjaks only happened on /qa/ because of the actions of an actual jak spamming discord chat the mods failed to detect, one that was raiding /qa/, /int/ and /tv/ practically every day before they managed to takeover /qa/ and accidentally create the soyteen movement.

>>154992
> the whole soyjak thing getting more and more depraved when it became clear there was nothing anons could do to make anything better
That's literally what happened with /b/ in the 2000s. Matter of soyjaks and the sharty evolved in the exact same timeframe as the /b/sphere grew and imploded.

Truth is, soyteens are as generic and cookie cutter as they get as a social phenomenom. as far as the internet is concerned, this is the fifth or sixth time a phnomenom like this happened.

FYAD, /b/, /r9k//maidenless culture, /pol/, sharty. All have a similar evolution curve. I'm likely missing others.

>>155028
first that earns you a whomstquote
>saging while moderating

second do note quite a number of mods always had a public name ie both devs, swaglord, ALTERNATIVE, etc were always open about their identities.
matter of fact it's more common to call alternative by his first name
no idea who that post refers to, but to keep in mind that people who interacted with them may call them that way.

t. knower

>>155022
>I wonder if this is why /jp/ was able to maintain such a relatively high level of quality for so long
/jp/ had a best 4 years of high quality. Less than /tg/ or /co/ and definitely less than /a/.

From 2012 the board collapse as a literal rogues gallery of tripfags and trolls start coordinating off site to troll the fuck out of anything resembling a hikkimori.

>>155028
Why did you delete his post? Because "le doss"?
Unless he’s compiling the information into a profile it’s legal. I don’t know how you can criticize them and then turn around and defend them this way.
When the jannies and mods stalk anons that’s ok but dare to drop a admin name and everybody freaks.

Even if there is a no-tolerance policy regarding personally identifiable information here the 4chan administration deserves to be identified : ^ )

Did you guys not hear the news? 4chan is back already, why are you still posting on this thread?

>>155104
>Did you guys not hear the news? 4chan is back already, why are you still posting on this thread?
You can take the metaposter out of the meta board but you'll never take meta out of the metaposter

>>155104
This is a much better place to talk about meta shit than so called "/hap/" on 4chan.

/controlled-opposition/

>>155104
i'm a kissu regular

>>155141
That's a surprisingly insightful response in a thread with such a topic.
Also, burgers live like this???

>got banned because in a thread full of shitposting I interacted with the shitposting for 2 posts (complaining about the shitposting)
This is why everyone hates the fucking mods.

After evading my ban, every time I make a post in a different thread, I need to solve a hcaptcha and wait for 120 seconds. This is the new user experience. No wonder 4chan is dying.