I don't get the appeal and I can't encourage it.

If your life is boring then you should make it interesting with things that seem exciting and not the artificial substitutes for excitement.

>>2830
There are bunch of chemical otaku that take anything and everything just to say they've taken them. pikal/tikal books kind of spawned them. Most people not into the rarer drugs just take them on a whim and don't do it often. Everyone is terrified the first time but then before you know it you've gone insane and everything is either really funny or you think you're going to die so you curl up into a ball for 6-8 hours which feels like eternity.

Most of them aren't as wacky as they're portrayed in the media. LSD is pretty much nothing as long as you don't take 10+ at a time. Mushrooms can be pretty frightening at the usual doses but they also sedate you so you can't really do anything but lay on the flood and wonder if you've sit your pants.

The key is to be away from law enforcement and other people. Which is why most people choose to do them in the woods or lock themselves in their home for the duration.

Then there are the psychonauts that think they're getting closer to God/ascending/whatever. Most of these people are pretty dumb and they're burn outs. So you shouldn't take them too serious. Others just want to die so they don't care in the first place.

Most people I've met have a heavy use rate during their 20s then they calm down by the time they hit their late 20s. Since they're nearly perma-fried by that point and it takes a long time to feel normal again. I took a lot of different stuff just because I knew there was a 6 month window where I could buy it before it was banned. The way the drug laws work everything is legal until it's banned by name. So a lot of things in the Pikal/Tikal books were coming on to the market on the internet around the early 2000s-mid 2010s if you were part of the communities where they were shared. A lot of us bought stuff we didn't even want to take just so we could have it in our chemical collection.

>>2830
I used to do psychedelics for years, dpt, dmt, all kinda lsd variants, and substituted tryptamines too, in various doses and combinations and...
....no worries, you are mostly danger to yourself when tripping. Remember to hydrate and get something to eat

>>2833
>dpt
You are the only other person I've seen in the wild outside of my old haunt that's also taken DPT. How did you like it? Out of everything I tried it was by far the strongest. Only time I "saw God" on drugs.

>>2832
I will never feel "normal" whatever that means, I have perma brain damage, but then psychedelics were just a tip of the iceberg of the shitload of drugs I used to take as you correctly assessed in my 20's. Now I am straight edge, the only drugs I take are psychiatric medications for depression.
Were you per chance a regular at 420chan? until 2019 or so I used to frequent that place too.

>>2834
heh. in 2018 alone I sniffed through 10 grams of dpt. It was fun.
I would often combine it with lsd and or 4homipt. I would usually dose lsd and or mipt, and after the comeup period, around hour in, I'd sniff a few dozen to onehundredandfewdozen mg of dpt. It's amazing how you can see colors change. Lsd usually have reddish geos, 4homipt is green, and once you sniff dpt a color of light blue is introduced to the mix. If you sniff too much, the blue will overpower everything else, I guess it's various drugs competing for 5ht receptors in the brain.

I really liked that blue tbh. The fact it doesn't build tolerance and doesn't last so long was fun too. Some of my most interesting hallucinations came from that, including seeing and seemingly commuting with skeleton like looking beings (which I referred to as gods) or seeing skulls in geometries...like a skeleton in robe kinda thing? Never saw any mechanical elves or what people talk about.

But like I said, all this drug use damaged my brain, and made me mentally unstable. I became aggressive and divorced from reality. Eventually I stopped. I won't do it again.

>>2835
I've been posting on various drug forums and boards since 1999. I was a member of the Hive. BL and later 420chan. But I kind of stopped caring around the middle of the 2010s so I don't frequent those places anymore. I also very rarely take anything now aside from daily doses of a particular (not) opioid because of my past opioid abuse and various pain related problems. I don't take any meds and I haven't touched the MDMA in my freezer for the last 8 years or so. I think there might be some LSD left over with it.

I gave my collection away to someone years ago. I used to have a large stock of various RCs I'd bought over the years. But I got them out of the house because I got tired of seeing tracers behind everything even if I waited months between trips. It took about 3 years but my vision finally returned to normal. Whatever that is.

>>2837
I know the feel. When I stopped doing drugs, I just stopped, but they kept lying in my hidden closet place for a few more years before I finally decided to throw them away.

If you're worried about that in advance you aren't going to suddenly do bad things, but if you are a worrier you will probably just worry about it and be unable to fully enjoy the experience.
I used to do a ton of them and they are quite interesting for a while, but ultimately they don't have much to offer for me anymore other than anxiety and finding it hard to do things I want to do so I haven't touched any in a decade. I used to have no anxiety the first few dozen times though, but I witnessed so many bizarre reactions in other people I think it got stuck as a trauma I still haven't gotten over. Can't even enjoy weed anymore either, but ironically I don't get anxious at all from alcohol.

I think most people are better off just taking a gentle dose of MDMA at a chill festival to experience what it's like to be a norm with a completely different social ability for once. Shouldn't redose or do that often though, it's obviously not good for your serotonin. I know your average druggie will say once every three months are safe, but I honestly think more than once a year is too much even if it's not so noticeable. It makes people retarded, but it also makes people not mind being retarded and taking more doses because it feels so personal and warm.

Life sober is precious. I am sober 99% of my days with the exception of a few beers on the rare social gathering. If I do drugs I can't enjoy my hobbies.

>>2836
>the blue
YES! Although for me it was more of a purple. I didn't order a bunch of DPT so I never mixed it with anything aside from MXE a couple of times in an attempt to chill it out. I hoovered up a bunch of DPT one day that I eye balled. Had to be at least 150mg. Plugged my nose up for a week and made it bleed. Last time I messed with it.

I ended up going for a walk outside and reality just kind of broke. The trees came to life and all of them were waving at me. Faces in everything. Tried to watch anime to calm down but the little things from the other dimension were crawling and popping out of everything so I had to turn it off. The smoke coming off the cigarettes I was smoking in an attempt to ground myself turned blue/purple.

So I do outside and reality just broke. Can't describe it. I was everything and everything was me. But there was some other kind of presence with me that was driving everything. It was like I saw the code behind the matrix. Words would never do it justice.

I don't know how long that lasted but it felt like a life time. Then suddenly I was just back in my body laying in my bed and had what felt like electricity surging through my spine. Laid there for a long time until I was finally sober enough again to think. Didn't feel right for a week after that. Even days later I was seeing purple hues everywhere and could feel negative emotions flowing out of other people. It was spooky. Mess me up mentally for awhile. At least I couldn't deal with society and the people in it because everyone was just so damn negative.

I'd done a lot of stuff by that point and didn't feel like mixing or eyeballing raw chemicals was a big deal. But that one humbled me. No idea why people think DMT is so amazing. DPT was far beyond the shows I'd get on DMT and it lasted much longer. I think people avoid it because you're actually up and moving around instead of passed out for 10 minutes.

My favorites are still MXE combined with various other things though. I like the combination and the dissociation. It's really fun with a 2C analog or most any tryptamine. I preferred the drugs that put me in a coma while I'd go wonder around in a machinescape somewhere to the ones where I was up, active and expected to be social. Although those can be fun too with the right people and something fun to do.

I really liked 5-meo-mipt for hiking along with the usual favorites like AMT. If I still had some MXE and AMT I'd probably still do drugs more often. Most of that stuff is impossible to get now or it's expensive and the synth is no good. Kind of got scared of ordering stuff after the production shifted to China. We tested some stuff we ordered from there and it wasn't a clean synth and contained things like lead.

Honestly, I'm more interested in the chemistry than the taking them part. If I had access to proper glassware and chemicals still I'd make fun things and share them. Most of the drugs I bought got handed away for free. Since I was never shy about helping out anyone that was curious. But it's kind of annoying because they look to you when they start freaking out. So you can't really enjoy your own madness.

I wish there was an anime about cute girls doing chemistry in a school club where they made fun stuff and turned on the school to things like MDA. But I know it'd never fly in Japan.

Speaking of Japan. I've heard there is a bit of a scene there. At least some people on the various drug forums claim there is one. One of the things on my bucket list is to sneak in some MDA, AMT or 5-meo-mipt into Japan and climb Fuji on it then go check out the party scene. I know there are a couple of clubs dedicated to local artists. Seems like it'd be fun to turn some people on there that are naive. Would probably end up in prison though since I doubt they'd be that keen on taking pills handed to them by random gaijin. Closest I've got to date is being in a tourist area with a bunch of Japanese tourists while on way too much MDMA. Had a fun night and they could probably tell I was messed up. But everyone was nice and curious. I smoked some pot with them.

>>2839
interesting anon! for me it was the same my first few dozen trips were fine, then it got worse and worse. eventually every trip became a panic attack ridden bad trip.
same with alcohol, cocaine, dxm etc. positive effects died out and only bad stuff remained. That's why continuing to take these drugs was so pointless from that point onward.

>>2840
>eyeballing

Eyeballing is bad, but mixing is fine if you know what you're doing. I always used electric scales to do the thing. Also, always noted down the dose and hour, still do it with anything and everything, food included. It's a good habit.
Except on psychedelics, you often don't know what you're doing. I have taken way too much dpt on multiple occasions because I wasn't sure if I really sniffed it or not, lol.

Well at any rate, looks like you had some fun. My favorite thing was DXM. It's on 4th and maybe 3rd plat dxm that I truly broke through reality, nothing psychedelic can combine (tho I did mix dxm with lsd a couple of times, it was inferior to pure dxm).

As for seeing hues everywhere...well, I'll tell you little something. It's been 6 years since I stopped doing, but I still see colorful geometric patterns in flat surfaces. Especially when I'm very focused or thinking deeply about something. For example now, but the moment I stop focusing and try to focus on geos instead, the rapidly changing colorful patterns start fading. They look similar to low dose psychedelic.
This is not the only permanent effect. I also used to abuse dph, and I also tend to see low level tier dph hallucinations, this time if I'm stressed or tired, that look like black lines running up and down edges of objects, and generally edges dancing and surfaces breathing. More prominent in darkness, unlike the goes which are most prominent in light.

As for my mri results, everything is seemingly fine. As for qeeg results, I have overactive beta waves and alpha waves, but underactive theta waves, whatever that means~

Oh and btw, I use rika to avatarfag now due to just finishing participating in higurashi stream with other anons, but I am not /jp/s rikafag.

>>2840
>Speaking of Japan. I've heard there is a bit of a scene there
In the Welcome to the NHK novel which I believe is set in the 90s, Satou and Yamazaki does a bunch of novel psychedelics and gets into fights with each other just for fun. Apparently Japan had quite the novel-drug scene around the 90s with exports online.
Interestingly, a beatles member was arrested for marijuana possesion in Japan in the 80s. Tons of mushrooms for sale too. Weird situation given their otherwise strict rules.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021018054255/https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1984498.stm

>>2839
Yeah MDMA safety is way overblown. Even when I actively took drugs I wouldn't touch it more than once-twice a year. I always did a re-dose 2-3 hours into it just to extend it a little. But my doses were always well within sane levels. For me 90-120mg was my primary dose then half of that about 2-3 hours later to extend it for another hour or two. I don't really like MDMA that much. I prefer MDA. But both of them are kind of a let down because they're over so fast and moreish. They also lose their magic pretty quickly even if you space out sessions. I never understood how people thought it was a good idea to take them every weekend/month. Met plenty of people over the years that got nothing out of them any longer even when they took high doses of it. For me the 'magic' is still there but only because I've worked really hard to keep it that way.

>>2842
In the 90s/early 2000s there were a lot of so-called "Smart Shops" in Japan. They sold research chemicals that weren't already banned by the Government. But I think the loophole for that was closed awhile ago. I knew about the shroom scene and I've heard they all meet up in a certain park in Tokyo (and that shrooms grow naturally there now because they're spread spores). Japan also had a dedicated group of stealth pot growers years ago that made really interesting stuff. Since it was instant prison time for years if you got caught they all became expert carpenters and figured out how to do mini grows years before anyone in the west tried doing it. I think the first dedicated LED grow setup I saw was a guy in Japan posting on Overgrow. There was a dedicated board for them on that forum and I talked to them pretty often.

I know nothing about the club scene in Japan but I'm sure it must exist because I listen to a lot of the music and you can tell whomever is creating it loves the same drugs we do. I really want to find those places but I've heard it's hard for gaijin to enter them since they're very paranoid about getting caught.

>>2841
>eyeballing is bad
But my eye ball is really sharp and I don't want to wait 3 days for the scale to come in the mail!
>DXM
I too had a nice breakthrough on DXM. But I could never obtain it again. I tried multiple times but I just ended up feeling like total crap. I once drove on it while on plat 2-3. No idea how I made it. Felt like I was in the passenger seat the whole time. The one time I did break through on it was really really nice. But eventually, I discovered K and MXE sources so I gave up on trying. Maybe if I'd taken pure DXM instead of extracting it from store bought things would have been better. Whatever they put in the store brand stuff really screws with my digestion.
>Seeing patterns
Yes I know exactly what you mean. I can do the same thing and I was able to do this before I tried drugs as a teenager. Probably why I was so interested in the first place.

What I'm talking about was the very annoying tracers I was living with for years. I'd take my hat off my head and there would be tracers and static images behind it. When I woke up in the morning everything looked like static for a few minutes before my vision would settle down. It took several years but that kind of thing finally stopped happening 24/7. I can still get myself in the mind state to cause it if I really want but it's far less annoying now.
>Brain scans
Mine are totally normal too. I don't think the machines are properly calibrated.

>Rika
You never need and excuse to post a cute girl with a hime-cut.

>>2844
static is fine, but I think that's just your eyes adjusting to the darkness
I mean, I actually see red, blue, green and other colored rapidly shifting geometries and lines of text like lines on flat surfaces. However, they aren't so strong as to block my vision, they are like 50-100 ug lsd tier. And like I said their intensity depends on my current mindset. I think it's the mindest that creates them, the stronger I think about something, the greater the visual effects, after all the visual effects of psychedelics are most likely just a side effect of brain overclocking, so to speak (that's why you see in geos what you think about, for example when I was listening to powerwolf in the name of god during one lsd trip I saw gothic crosses in geos etc)
I don't remember ever seeing this when sober before doing drugs, and a lot of drugs, this didn't happen immediately. I think it may be related to dopamine, as the effect was stronger when I was taking adhd meds (methylphenidate) which I stopped due to migraines it caused me. Certainly they give dopamine inhibitors to people with schizophrenia, so there is correlation between dopamine and all hallucinations.


As for low level dph like visuals, it's connected to acetylcholine. That's dphs mechanism of action btw, it depraves us of that, which causes hallucinations. Acetylcholine is regenerated during sleep, so the longer you go without it, the more you will see this stuff like black lines, surfaces breathing, on higher tiers spider like shadows etc. Actually I forgot to mention, when I'm sleep depraved sounds like fan or running water form words, as if they were talking to me. This is all fairly normal, but I think I became more sensitive to it or more proficient at noticing all of that thanks to dph and dmh trips. Delves.

As for brain scans, MRI can't detect patterns of neural connections nor changes to brain cell structure, that's what pet and autopsy is for respectively. But I'm just glad I don't have lesions in brain which are often associated with dissociative drugs among the others.

As for breakthroughs on dxm, yeah it lost magic permanently for me too. After about 100 trips or so. Even dosing as much as 2030 mg (with 66 kg of weight) only knocked me out and gave me massive headache and amnesia. So physical symptoms, mental symptoms got weaker and weaker with every trip. Tho I was able to sustain them for a few months of everyday dxm use and abuse, and that was the happiest time of my life. After that, permanent tolerance, and no amount of waiting or upping the dosage matters. As for extraction, never did it, my country sells pure dxm pills I did hear about how americans need to extract it from cough syrup or something, I don't envy them.

drugs are bad

>>2845
I can also construct geometric patterns and other colorful things with just thoughts. I was able to do this before drug use even when I was really little. I recall this one time when I was in the first grade the teacher was explaining what atoms were to the class. I raised my hand and told her I could see them in the dark and one of the girls in the class backed me up. She said it was impossible and all the other children laughed at us. In reality yes it probably is impossible and we were both seeing visual snow. I just thought it was strange how out of a class of about 30 children only two of us could see visual snow. Until I thought it was just a normal thing everyone saw along with being able to make shapes and patterns with eyes closed. I have always been able to do that with just thought but sometimes rubbing my eyes can get them moving along faster. I was pretty surprised when I first started taking drugs that cause visuals that they were just the same kind of thing instead of interesting stuff like is portrayed in the media (pink elephants and what-not). Some of the art of them is pretty close but it's never the same as being able to see them yourself. I've seen a lot of cool stuff over the years but I don't think any of it was worth the price of admission. Plus as I got older I figured out that I can get most of the positive benefits from that heavy drug use simply with techniques like meditation.

I think it's true that most people can't do stuff like day dream or see things in their mind. I wasn't surprised when that story about how most people can't make an apple started circulating a few years ago.

I've done DPH and a couple of other similar drugs. I didn't like them and only took them because nothing better was around at the time. I got full blown delirium one day from about 6am until 4pm or so. Thought I was typing on a laptop and browsing the web on it for hours even though it was on the other side of the room. I kept snapping back to reality for a bit only to slip back into delirium without realizing it. Took it multiple times. No idea why. I knew I didn't like it after the first time. Tried Datura once as well. Thankfully, the evil mistress treated me with kindness and nothing bad happened. But over 36 hours of full blown delirium wondering around the woods wasn't fun. Don't remember most of it. Just know I'm lucky I didn't die. I thought I knew better than most but I ended up smoking the phantom cigarettes and going insane like everyone else does even though I took all the precautions. Maybe I'll go on about it sometime but I don't feel like doing it right now.

I don't put much faith in CTs and MRIs. Woke up in those more times than I care to admit. Know I have brain damage from multiple blows to the head. But they never find anything on the scans and claim my brain isn't damaged. I thought about letting them take it out and look for CTE for many years but now I don't want anyone getting their grubby hands on it. It's going in the dirt with me along with the rest of my organs. No one probably wants them anyway.

It's a shame about DXM losing its magic like that. For me it was after the first time. It was really fun that time but I never got close again despite upping the dose. Yes it's all combination products here filled with all sorts of horrible things. We used to have purer forms of it OTC but it's the most stolen item in the Wal-Marts so they took the good stuff off the shelves a long time ago. They used to have some kind of spray bottle that had 800mg or so of pure DXM liquid inside. You could consume it like a shot of liquor. Tasted horrible but half of it was plat 2-3 depending on body weight. Haven't seen it in years. I don't know what they have these days but for years most people had to down 25+ large plastic capsules of gel or choke down a bottle of thick syrup containing tons of sugars and plastics. They have some other pill forms but you'd be stupid to take them because they have other drugs in them that can stop your heart or give you a stroke. Can't remember the main issue with them now but they're really popular with teenagers (at least they were in my day).

>>2831
>I don't get the appeal
It's co compensate with being out of touch with own intuition/unconscious/embodied cognition. There's a reason why people who are good at this don't get anything interesting out of the experience.

>>2841
>but I still see colorful geometric patterns in flat surfaces
> this time if I'm stressed or tired, that look like black lines running up and down edges of objects, and generally edges dancing and surfaces breathing. More prominent in darkness, unlike the goes which are most prominent in light.
me too but I never did drugs. welcome to thalamocortical dysrhythmia gang

brainrot
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/06/28/travel/thailand-cannabis-laws-tourism-intl-hnk

>>2851
>thalamocortical dysrhythmia

learned a new term now! until now I thought it's hppd

>>2849
I've done suicidal amounts of dph because I didn't want to live, same as other drugs, for about 2 years weekly or biweekly, usually mixed with dxm as it took the bodyload off. I am too lucky I didn't die, but probably suffered some overheating and oxygen depravation.
Yet another source of brain damage. It's amazing I can still write in coherent way like that.
And it was one(s) of many near death experienes, got into fights and got punched in the head a lot. I've been playing warhammer 3 lately. And in that story, Belakor (a demon) would intervene everytime Archeon died, basically savescumming, to save his life and have him become Everchosen eventually. I like to think some demon or gods or higher power saved my life like that too each time, for some higher purpose unknown to me. Tho it's probably just cope and I was just lucky.

>>2850
For me, I actually wanted to break through the veil of reality, go to Gensokyo so to speak, and communicate with being beyond this world. And I did, or felt I did. But each time I had to go back, and felt farther and farther away. Kinda like Lossy, the mc of Touhou Lost Word, in Hifuu storyline.
So regardless if I really did or it was all just a delusion of a drugged up mind, the end result is the same, I am back in this reality, unable to go there anymore, with damaged brain and shortened lifespan.

>>2853
>learned a new term now! until now I thought it's hppd
hppd may as well be drug-acquired tcd, technically

>For me, I actually wanted to break through the veil of reality, go to Gensokyo so to speak
understandable
max out on neuroplasticity diet and supplements and damages are as good as mitigated (thus spake my years-long homework)

>>2854
I wish it was as easy as diet. My digestive system and heartrate is actually fucked too, I have constant neuroinflammation and general inflammation. Even if diet could work, there are some things that are not coming back even as years pass. My emotional processing, perception of reality and other such are forever changed, and of course dead neuron and gray cells can't come back. Long story short, I am now stupid, aggressive and psychopathic.

>>2855
after i had erased my lifelong migraines by methylene blue, i'd really like to assert you shouldn't underestimate neuroplasticity and doing your own research

>>2860
You're right anon, I shouldn't be so defeatist. I am sure that pic related will solve most of my problems, that multiple psychiatric medications and 6 years worth of time since I stopped doing drugs couldn't. Magic and miracles exist, we just have to believe!

>>2863
heh, ok, sorry about being slightly sarcasitc, anon! But your comment about doing research was asking for it
in truth, methylene blue is a MAO. It wouldn't be the first MAO I ever took in my life, but it certainly has the potential to be the last, as I take wellbutrin now which mustn't be mixed with MAO inhibitors. Wellbutrin, which I've been taking for a year now, is the first psychiatric antidepressant that worked for me, after failure of various ssris and tianeptine.

I too wanted to see beyond the veil. I don't suggest it. But I'm happy I did.

>>2864
One of the things that I think helped me the most was lack of diet. By that I mean. I stopped eating for about two weeks (maybe longer wasn't exactly keeping track of the days) and barely drank water that entire time as well. By the end I was so weak I could barely stand since I didn't have much fat on me to start with. I started really stinking as well which I guess was my body burning a bunch of stuff out of my fat cells and later eating my own organs. But I felt amazing.

After a couple of weeks of that and mostly sleeping+intense meditation while awake I showered then bathed in hot water+Epsom salt. Then I slowly started re-introducing food so I wouldn't get re-feeding syndrome.

A lot of long term issues went away after that. Some have come back because I'm forced to consume poison everyday (the modern American diet) but I still feel better than I did prior to starving myself for those two weeks. I also know that I now have the will power to not eat at all. So if I ever want to wander into the woods and die for some reason I'm up for it. I'll sit some place like a monk where my body will hopefully mummify. Always wanted to be a mummy ever since I was a child and the teacher asked the class how we'd prefer to be buried. Which thinking back was kind of a fuck up thing to ask a class of 8 year olds.