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 No.38952[View All]

Haha, I'm so fucking done with this craphole that is /secret/. I hate /secret/ and what it stands for. There's no concessions to be made, the internet doesn't have to work in a manner like this. Fuck this gay tolerance.
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 No.39148

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>>39147
>I'm not really noticing what's making things so awful
I'm not seeing anything too egregious either save for in the happenings thread which from what I understand is allowed to be shit as it serves as an imageboard embassy thread of sorts, and I get the feeling that there are people here who are only on kissu for that one specific thread too which might explain why it's so bad compared to the rest of the site.

 No.39152

>>39143
>I don't even think he needs stuff like a network switch
I mean... Sure, but it's nice to not be bottle-necked by 1Gb/s speeds for accessing the NAS. With 24 disks, it should be able to hit 2GB/s for sequential reads (16x 125MB/s) easy, and with L1 ARC RAM caching, it should saturate line speed for writes (until the RAM cache is exhausted, then it would drop down to single disk write speeds). Unless the router has 10Gb, getting a dedicated switch is a worthy expense. There are plenty that only have a few 10Gb ports and have simplified Web UI management instead of going for a rackmount switch with Cisco-style CLI.

 No.39153

>>39152
bold assumption that he doesn't have the most overpriced router available

 No.39155

anyways, I don't know what exactly each part of this home server is supposed to do. I just like cutting corners.

Man this thing is loud. You can hear the noise cancellation cutting out most of the frequency on his voice making him sound metalic. And he can't really cut through the noise

 No.39156

>>39153
Overpriced in what way... Is it one of those scary Asus gamer routers that have like 10 antennas and look like a spider... Or overpriced like a Ubiquiti switch with 25Gb SFP28 that remains under-utilized...

>>39155
DS4246's are actually fairly quiet compared to other rackmount gear. It's probably the other stuff in the rack making all of the noise. I watch that guy's videos every now and then. If I had to wager a guess, all of the other stuff in his rack at that time was for mining Chia (bleh. crypto). He had a 3 rack setup almost entirely of storage at one point for Chia. Nowadays he makes videos reviewing LLM models using a quad 3090 setup and is one of the few people who critically analyses their capabilities instead of going "wow AI so cool future technology look at my stack of mac minis getting 100tk/s ai nvidia factory"

 No.39157

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I don't know what Verm's assuming, I just have a normal Fios router that nets me a cool 2Gb/s but it's not that amazing. If I had a way to get faster internet I would, probably will look into all avenues for that come the next house.
>>39119
>DS4246
Is there any reason to ever go any more than this in terms of storage safety/lifespan or is this about the best I can buy for my buck.

 No.39158

Apparently verm has a server that was supposedly $20k-30k 3 years ago….. Gonna find out if it’s at all good when he either posts or sends me the specs….

 No.39159

I think where he got that information is this server that I ordered for them, roughly when I started working at the company he works at.
On black friday it was heavily discounted

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-poweredge-servers/poweredge-r760-rack-server/spd/poweredge-r760/pe_r760_15724_vi_vp

 No.39160

the server he's talking about that I have stored under a bed...

Dell PowerEdge R740XD
Dual Intel Xeon Silver 4110 2.2GHz, 8 Core/16 Thread, 9.6GT/s,11M Cache CPU’s
160GB RAM (2666MT/s, Dual Rank) (16GB x 10)
PERC H740P 8GB RAID Controller
12.6 TB RAW (7 * 1.8TB) 10k RPM SAS 12Gbps 2.5” SAS HDD
iDRAC 9 Enterprise
Dual 16GB microSDHC/SDXC Card
Dual 750W Power Supply
Ready Rails
VMWare ESXi 6.7 U3 Embedded on flash media

 No.39161

>>39160
So… it’s only 7 bays?

 No.39162

>>39160
don't forget all the cat fur clogging those parts up everywhere

 No.39163

>>39162
parents house, not the one with the cat

 No.39164

uhhhh wtf that seems awesome, maybe minus the cat fur
though why doesn’t it tell me how many hdds i can shove inside it
https://newserverlife.com/server-models/dell-poweredge-r740xd/?utm_term=dell%20poweredge%20r740xd&utm_campaign=search+/+dell+r740xd+

 No.39165

>>39163
awesome, clean server then

 No.39166

I mean it should, assuming it’s got 24 bays, be equal to or better than >>39155, right? Although no RAID support so I dunno what the other ones are.

 No.39167

>>39166
>PERC H730P, H740P, HBA330
Or wait is non RAID only applicable to the HBA330 one?

 No.39168

>>39157
>Is there any reason to ever go any more than this
Well... There's the NetApp DS4486, which is the exact same form factor, but double the amount of drives (each drive sled holds two drives at once), but you lose multipath redundancy. Ordinarily, like in the DS4246 or DS2246, each SAS drive has two access paths so that if one of the drive controllers dies, you don't lose any uptime, but with the DS4486, each drive gets only one access path.

If you still want more drives than that... There's the NetApp DE6600, which can hold 60 drives. Unlike the DS4246 or DS4486, it does not use drive caddies (which you need to screw each drive into), instead it uses integrated slide-out trays that you put the drives into and then back them onto the connector.

All of them support both SAS and SATA drives. Both the DS4246 and DS4486 are dual voltage 120~240V, but the DE6600 is 240V only. With the DE6600, you would also likely need to replace the controller cards with "NetApp 100120-113" cards. Another quirk of them is that you need a minimum of 20 drives, whereas the DS4246 and DS4486 will accept any number of drives. The DE6600 are much louder than either. If you're curious about them, Digital Spaceport has a fairly in-depth video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ww6Nvn0aTU

Also, he has a newer, better video on the DS4246: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPNOb-arXc

>in terms of storage safety/lifespan
The disk shelf will outlast your drives. Safety mainly comes down to how fault tolerant your RAID layout is, and making periodic backups (RAID is not a backup!). Having a UPS to protect your drives from blackouts is also important. There's two main types of UPS depending on how "clean" the AC waveform is coming into your house: line-interactive, and online double-conversion. line-interactive UPS's modulate the AC waveform to deal with voltage fluctuations, but they cannot fix voltage ripple, so any bad AC is going to pass through to your load, assuming you're not running on battery. Online double-conversion UPS's can deal with voltage ripple, but they do so at the expense of efficiency because all incoming electricity is rectified to DC, filtered, and then converted back to a clean pure sine AC waveform. Line-interactive UPS's also tend to be a little bit slower to switchover to battery (but not in any meaningful sense.), whereas online double-conversion UPS's switchover instantly.

Oh, and in terms of backups... If you have the space... I've been oggling a Quantum Scalar i500 that's fully populated with LTO5 FC tape drives. It should have a total capacity of around 225 tapes, for a total capacity somewhere in the range of 337TB to 675TB. The low end number is for uncompressed media, like video, whereas the high end is for compressible media like text (think OS backups and the like). You would need a fibre channel switch to use it, though, and a fibre channel card, ideally in the same server as the HBA for the disk shelf, so you can directly access the storage and write to tape as fast as possible to prevent wear (tape runs at a single, constant speed, so slow-downs mean the tape has to rewind, which slightly stretches it over time, which isn't good for the tape. In a worst-case scenario the tape can snap and get tangled in the tape drive).

>is this about the best I can buy for my buck
Yeah, pretty much. The DS4243/DS4246 tends to run around $300 plus shipping. DS4486 tends to run around double that at around $600. The DE6600 is typically found in the $600-$1000 range.

The DS4246 is pretty much plug and play, as is the DS4486. Either are generally going to be the best you can buy for the price, in terms of expansion storage. The DE6600 is a lot more finicky.

As far as pairing a server with it goes, I would probably recommend something like a Dell R740 if you want to put a dual slot GPU inside (Note: you're definitely not putting a 4090 or anything like that inside.). Or, you could go with an R740XD if you want to start out with 12x to 18x drives and then see if you need a disk shelf like mentioned above. If you more or less just want something to connect up to the disk shelf, you could get an R640, which is 1U instead of 2U like the R740's. Those can fit a few single slot PCIe cards you want to add networking cards, an HBA, or a single slot GPU for things like video transcoding for Jellyfin or Plex.

If you want, you could go a generation older with an R730 or even R720 (or R630 or R620). Parts are plentiful and cheap. I personally would just recommend an Rx40 server because they support Xeon Scalable gen 1 and 2, which supports PCIe 4.0, NVMe, and Intel Optane Persistent Memory which allows cheap, high capacity RAM expansion; e.g. single stick 512GB Optane Pmem100 is ~$200. single stick 256GB DDR4 is ~$750. Pmem needs to be paired with at least one DRAM stick per channel, though, so you can't just use all Pmem. Most Intel Xeon CPUs top out around 1TB of RAM, so if you want to go beyond that, you would need to look at the -M (2TB per CPU) or -L (4.5TB per CPU) SKU Xeon CPUs.

 No.39169

>>39166
Not, really, no. >>39160 uses 2.5" drives, not 3.5" drives. 2.5" drives really only come in SSDs nowadays, and unless you want to pay out the nose for storage, I wouldn't recommend it... On the other hand, if you win the lottery, Samsung makes 32TB SAS drives, so 24x 2.5" drive servers technically can hold the most amount of storage possible per rack-unit of space. But those cost like $3000 per drive. Look up "Samsung PM1643a 30.72TB" if you're curious.

>>39167
Yesn't. Those RAID cards do hardware RAID. You can technically make RAID0 groups that contain a single disk and pass those through to the host, but it's generally not recommended to do so because RAID controllers mask the SMART info because you're not really meant to have single disk RAID groups... You're meant to have actual RAID groups of a few disks, so having any SMART info visible doesn't really make sense.

Whether you plan on using TrueNAS (my preference) or unRAID, those both use software RAID, and expect to see actual disks rather than virtual disks. Part of how they check drive health is by monitoring SMART info, and checking drive temperature and so on, which isn't possible with a RAID controller. Again, it's technically possible, but not recommended.

 No.39170

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But, anyways, used Dell servers and components are very affordable. If you want to use an HBA330 instead of a PERC card, you can easily swap them out. You can get the cards for like $20 on ebay (Note: you do NOT want the PCIe card, you would want the little mini mono card). I'm not sure if it's possible with the newer PERC cards, but I know on the older ones people would flash them with "IT mode" firmware, which basically just turns them into an HBA and disables the RAID functionality.

If you do go with a Dell server, I would recommend asking the seller if the server has "iDRAC Enterprise". This is the out-of-band management Web UI, which allows you to access the integrated KVM so you can do things like access the BIOS during startup from the comfort of your browser, turn it off or on, check server temperatures, check fan speeds, check warnings, etc. Even if the server is off, so long as the iDRAC ethernet port is plugged in, you can access the web UI.

If they don't know whether it has iDRAC Enterprise, ask them for the Dell service tag (pic related). Dell's support page lets you input the service tag for any device, including their servers, and you can check what the device was originally configured for. Pic related's service tag shows: 1NQ0TS1. If you plug that into the Dell support page, it pulls up that it's a Dell R820. If you click "Product Specifications", you should see that it came with "iDRAC7 Enterprise". You can do this for any of their servers.

 No.39171

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, not that you should be installing OS's very often, but the web UI's KVM even lets you upload ISOs to expose to the machine as a virtual DVD drive for installing an operating system so you don't need to burn an ISO to a flash drive. Very handy.

 No.39173

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No idea how any of this works

 No.39174

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 No.39175

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If you want me to do anything let me know in the hour or two

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Ah i see

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>>39174
Interesting... Those are definitely 3.5" bays.

>>39175
It's missing the midplane for the additional 4 drives, but those aren't too hard to find. As is, that should be able to hold 14 3.5" drives. There should be an additional 2 drive bays on the rear.

 No.39181

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>>39175
>>39179
Oh. I guess there's no rear drive expansion. That's also pretty easy to find.

Also, it appears to be missing the PERC or HBA330 card. It would be located on the right in the slot beneath the blue tab that says "RISER".

>>39179
Nice that it has 10Gb ports.

 No.39182

Shipping it to him would cost under 1000$... And it has company data on it. Maybe i could work something out but it's a lot of effort on me

 No.39183

>>39180
>be able to hold 14 3.5" drives
Ehhh, would really gimp me on storage vs the extra 10 bays, unless there’s a really good reason to use that server over the 24 bays one I may refrain from using it as so to futureproof the server. Though if you can think of any use for it, I’ll set it up alongside the 24 bays one and maybe make it a free access server under a DMZ for all the cool kissu people to utilize.

 No.39184

Actually just bring it back with you now and I’ll pay the shipping cost. Would probably make for a nice thread and thing for kissu to have. Just need to figure out how to put it on a separate IP or maybe proxy traffic on it publicly through a separate IP.

 No.39185

Not like the 24 bay one is going to cost me much of anything compared to the HDDs I’ll be putting in it.

 No.39187

>>39183
>unless there’s a really good reason to use that server over the 24 bays one
A DS4246 is not a server. You need something to interact with the DS4246. A DS4246 is not much different from a glorified USB hard drive enclosure. It just happens to use SAS, holds a lot more drives, and is conveniently rackable.

To use a DS4246, you need an HBA that has external SAS ports (doesn't matter what kind), and you need at least one (two is better) external SAS to QSFP cables to connect the HBA to the DS4246. Server PCIe cards, HBAs included, are designed to be put in server chassis with high airflow, so don't stick one in a PC with typical 120mm fans and expect it to last forever like most components. For testing it's fine, but long-term use is frowned upon.

 No.39189

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Something like an LSI 9300-8e is fine as an HBA, but there's a lot of different options. For that you would need an SFF-8644 to QSFP cable. If you go for a different HBA that has external SAS ports that aren't the square SFF-8644 ports, you'll need an SFF-8088 (more rectangular) to QSFP cable.

 No.39238

Haven't had much to do with updating everyone on this thread because I can't FUCKING buy the hard drives for some godforsaken reason.
Got 5 of the 24tb golds off Amazon today and those will make up ~1/5th of what I need for the full 24 bay server.

It's so annoying how much this all will probably cost me at the end of the day but at least once I have it all it shouldn't need to ever require a size increase since anime won't go up in storage space cost and even assuming I put 1/3rd of the drives to RAID it's still 384tb of space.

Although before I buy any of these, what's the difference between WD241KRYZ and WD242KRYZ....

 No.39254

>>39238
>can't FUCKING buy the hard drives
You can buy them directly from WD if you didn't know.

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-gold-sata-hdd?sku=WD242KRYZ

 No.39255

>>39238
>what's the difference between WD241KRYZ and WD242KRYZ....
Nothing anyone has commented about online. Just different SKUs for the same product, with 241 being an older out of production SKU. Could be anything. Minor hardware or firmware change.

 No.39287

>>39187
Oh, forgot to ask, does this mean I should still get that server verm has or no?

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 No.39309

>Yes, you can have a home server and use a domain name to mask its IP address by using a service like
>Cloudflare or a proxy, but it requires technical setup and may be less reliable than a dedicated hosting service. The domain name itself won't obscure your IP; rather, a third-party service will act as an intermediary, with the domain name pointing to the service's IP address, and the service then forwarding the traffic to your home server.
well that gives me more options
someone come up with a reason for me to waste more money to buy this for >>39175
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16888892012

i'm not willing to waste money like a retard if i'm not inspired

 No.39311

>>39309
>$8300
whoa...

 No.39314

>>39311
that's why i need an actual reason to spend on it, I can't justify dropping 8k for no reason (I could put it in stocks but lmao the stock market may as well just buy the gpu)

 No.39315

>>39309
96GB is a werid spot. It's enough to run some of the big LLMs, like Deepseek R1 671B, GLM-4.5-Air or GLM-4.6, but only if you quantize them down to like Q2 (which neuters them a lot; Q2 means the model size is 2/16 the original full model size from FP16). The best LLM (without quantization) you can run in 96GB is probably Qwen 3 Omni, which is a multimodal LLM that supports text, audio, image, and video input and text, audio and image output. Very cool model. It's not to the level of ChatGPT or GLM though.

For any of the big LLMs, you really want at least 256GB for a modest, non-neutering quantization like Q8 or Q6, and 512GB or more to run without quantization.

Personally, I've been eyeing one of these:
https://ebay.us/m/WfSGJv

It has 8x V100 SXM2 GPUs connected by NVlink so each GPU has a direct memory connection to the others, which means the memory bandwidth is effectively 8x that of a single GPU (~7TB/s total) for parallelizable tasks like running LLMs. LLMs run faster the memory bandwidth in a pretty linear fashion; tk/s = (model size in GB) / (memory bandwidth in GB/s). So, it would be a great platform for running LLMs, but well ... It draws like 2.5kW under load, and Volta doesnt support INT8. I've heard that this means INT8 quantized models get expanded back to FP16, doubling their size, and because it's rather old it doesn't have newer CUDA drivers. I'm not really sure whether that stuff is true though because my Pascal P5000 and P4000 run INT8 quantized stuff just fine even though they don't support INT8 natively either, but maybe professional GPU support is different from enterprise GPU support?? No idea.

 No.39316

In other words: I wouldn't buy it.

 No.39317

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>>39316
Damn, and it was a perfectly good opportunity for me to waste money too. I was kinda thinking it'd be good for video/image generation at a higher quality and speed than anything we currently have on #chatgpt can produce and maybe I could put my IP through a DNS to self-host a generation page for people to use and maybe give it to cool or you for training since I think you two are the ones that are really all over this in the channel.

 No.39331

https://a.co/d/cEh25ch
320 tb vs 384 tb is not significant, still more than I’ll ever need probably
Do I buy now or do I wait for a better deal? 20% on drives that normally sell like hotcakes seems the best deal I’ll get.

 No.39334

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キタ───(゚∀゚)───!!

 No.39335

>>39334
westoid digital

 No.39349

Can you start a mail service with cool Kissu handles like @boson so I can have a cool mail address




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