No.34328
>>34324Who knows, it's hard to say what they were aiming at and what kind of command and control they had and what kind of target acquisition they had. But regardless something has gone wrong but that could be negligence and not mal intent.
>>34325>>34326That's actually what they should be doing. That's how you humanely deal with an insurgent population.
No.34330
>>34325>>34326Good, instead of indiscriminately killing them they actually check who they are.
Wow I can't believe anon wants more deaths by having the Israelis just gun them down without any concern
No.34336
>>34328>negligence and not mal intent.i remember one instance of burger air force in the middle east bombing a bunch of civilians like three times in succession and this time they were being recorded and they were laughing and commenting on how funny the situation was how the "terrorists" were going out to pick up the fallen and then they'd bomb them again just like in that video similarly aiming at an open space without a care in the world
sadly i can't find it because it's just one of many, but they're aware, they know
No.34338
>>34336You should never attribute something to malice when it can be attributed to something else unless you have evidence for malice.
I know cases like you describe happen in war, I have seen plenty of footage like that myself. But often it actually is just negligence, in this case for example it could just be the Israelis firing ordinance at a grid reference and not caring about what they hit and not observing thier fire(US doctrine mandates that all fires into civilian areas are observed to prevent this kind of thing, not sure if Israel has anything like that).
Or it could be that the observation they did have was poor and they could not tell what ti was they were shooting at.
I am not saying that it 100% was not mal intent, just that the benefit of the doubt should be given in cases like this unless evidence proves otherwise.
No.34339
>>34338>I have seen plenty of footage like that myself.Actually I should not be so dramatic, to be fair I have not seen that much. Most of what I have seen has been targeted at POWs and not civilians. But yes militaries do target civilians sometimes and there probably is more footage of that than I have seen but I won't commit to it if I have not seen it.
No.34340
And also most of that is from the Ukraine war. Though there was some controversy over the Australian SAS in Afghanistan and there are allegation of them shooting prisoners plus I have seen a video where it's very strongly implied that they do, one SAS Soldier asks to another 'what do you want me to do with him'(referring to an Afghan prisoner he has)
to which the other responds 'Just drop the c**t' and then he turns away form the man and shots are heard. Well that's the gist of it I am probably misquoting.
And there are other incidents that were not on video of murders of prisoners and civilians by the Australian SAS but they are of course not on video.
No.34341
The Australian SAS thing is a bit different that I remember.
This is form an ABC article about it.
>"Do you want me to drop this c*?"
>The operator has turned and is talking to the dog handler. There's a hesitation, as though this question has stunned the dog handler.
>"I don't know mate. Hit *** up.">The patrol scout swivels around the other way, again taking his eyes off the Afghan. It's clear he doesn't see the young man as much of a threat.>"*, you want me to drop this c*?"
>There doesn't appear to be any response. So the patrol scout asks a third time.
>"You want me to drop this c*?">I am transfixed. Surely, he's not going to shoot this guy.>I can't hear a response to this life or death question. If there is an answer, it must come quick, because the first shot has already left the patrol scout's rifle.>The Afghan on the ground shudders. Then two more bullets tear into him. The young man is still, and the patrol scout walks off through the wheat.So it's the First soldier who asks if he should shoot the man not the second soldier ordering him to. Bleh... It's minor but I felt the need to correct myself anyway and while I am at it you can have this link and see it for yourself, it has the video in it and some more information about other cases. I am going to bed now I don't want to keep posting about stupid things like this.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-18/igadf-inquiry-into-special-forces-in-afghanistan-is-over/12816626 No.34342
Looks like the text I copied from the article have acted a bit weirdly. Ahh well it does not matter.
No.34343
Not a very "secret" feel to the board when images from it show up on the homepage huh
No.34344
>>34330>that could be negligence and not mal intentYou're actually just a moron. That's cool. Photographic evidence directly in front of you showing ethnic cleansing of northern gaza, forced migration under gunpoint, and starvation being used as a weapon of war, but that's not "mal intent"? I really do not know what could be shown to you to prove otherwise if you are so set in your convictions to believe that after more than a year has passed and there is no conceivable military threat to the state of israel extant in gaza.
Hospitals are simply targeted as a matter of course now. They literally made the case on television that hezbollah is storing missiles in residential homes, and are running the same playbook as al-shifa hospital to justify targetting beirut hospital in lebanon. But that does not strike you as "mal intent"?
CNN just ran an article where an IDF member described:
>In a testimony to the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, in June, Zaken said that on many occasions, soldiers had to “run over terrorists, dead and alive, in the hundreds.” But he was just following orders, right?
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/21/middleeast/gaza-war-israeli-soldiers-ptsd-suicide-intl/index.html No.34345
>>34344You replied to the wrong poster and I don't give two shits about sand niggers (especially muslim sandniggers) being blown the fuck up.
No.34348
just following orders sir
No.34353
kuon would never do this
No.34354
>>34349>>34350>>34351They supported HAMAS, this is price they pay.
No different from Nazis getting killed.
No.34355
>>34349>>34350>>34351I don't like Israel, but what should the outcome of the war be? How does this get resolved? (Israel can supply itself just fine outside of US aid)
No.34362
>>34354that apartment was in beirut. lebanon. another country entirely. 30% christian. what do you think random maronite christians deserved to die for?
>>34355what i want is different from what is possible politically. if i could have my way, all us military aid and foreign assistance to israel would be cut, the icc and icj investigations would be expanded to include the us, germany, and uk for complicity and abetment in the course of a genocide. the political and military leadership would be subjected to nuremburg style trials and the country would be occupied under a un flag with an extensive denazification program comparable to germany. that would involve literal reeducation and lifelong bans from political office. israel as it currently exists would have to be dismantled. at this point, a two state solution is impossible. there would have to be an explicitly secular one-state solution.
what is likely to happen? further erosion of the "rules based international order". israel does not face any long term consequences. gaza is ethnically cleansed. far right politicans like ben gvir hold sway in the government and northern gaza is annexed into israel. as i have heard, the us is in talks with the uae and saudi arabia to essentially turn the west bank and gaza into an emirate that will have no real political representation. there will nominally be a two-state solution but the palestinian side will be explicitly demilitarized. at the end of the day, the world moves on and politicans from this era will be seen like politicans who advocated for the iraq war: some will recuse themselves and say they were actually against it, but eventually they will be rehabilitated.
No.34363
>>34362>what do you think random maronite christians deserved to die for?Nigger the ones in the south are Shiite muslim, so they're backed by the Ayatollah which makes them double on the shitlist.
No.34364
>>34344As I said, they should be moving the population out of the area. That is how to fight an insurgent population.
And I agree that the situation in Gaza is terrible and that many are starving, but that's not an attempt at ethnic cleansing it's negligence. The Israelis do not care about the people in Gaza(or the UN) and they know that they can get away with a lot. They know that they can fire indiscriminately into gazing hitting civilians and even UN aid workers and they know nothing will be done about it.
The Israelis actually showed footage of HAMAS tunnels under hospitals, they exist.
>>34349The apartment would have had Hezbollah figures in it. I don't agree with what they have done but again they are not doing it with the intention of killing Civilians, they just don't care that there would be civilians there as well.
>>34350That one is more suspicious then the rest.
>>34351This goes back to my point about fire control and target identification.
No.34368
>>34364side question, thoughts on the srebrenica massacre?
No.34369
>>34368Not something I know much about. But yes, lots of bad stuff happened in Bosnia too.
No.34370
>>34362>at this point, a two state solution is impossible. there would have to be an explicitly secular one-state solutionOk, how do you convince radical Islam to not kill all the jews?
No.34372
>>34370asking "how do you convince radical Islam to not kill all the jews" is a red herring. it's like saying "how do you convince the koreans to not kill all the japanese" circa 1940. if there is any side that is disproportionately more radical, it is clearly israel.
in the first intifada, 1600 palestinians were killed and 200 israelis.
in the second intifada around 3000 palestinians were killed and around 1000 israelis.
in this "war", 40,000 palestinians have been confirmed to have been killed and about 2000 israelis have been killed.
the lancet estimated in june that up to 186,000 could be dead due to "indirect deaths" and bodies not counted that are beneath rubble. something like 70% of all the buildings in gaza have been destroyed. its also been 4 months since june so that number is likely higher now.
i mean, for god sake dude read a book or look at a map. the oslo accords in the 90s more or less permanently ceded 50% of the territory of the west bank to israel already. how much more must they give, and how many more palestinians must die before you realize that israeli jews are the expanist genocidal fanatics that you clearly think the palestinians are?
No.34373
>>34372>if there is any side that is disproportionately more radical, it is clearly israel.pic related. this was a pew research poll published about two weeks before that lancet paper estimating up to 186,000 dead palestinians. it was well clear by that point that the response to gaza was completely disproportionate and genocidal in intent (the south africa genocide case was brought to the icj in december 2023. five months prior.) and still, more than a third of israelis polled said that israel's military had "not gone far enough".
>>34372this image was unrelated btw. that's the netzarim corridor, which the idf created bisecting gaza into northern and southern halves. because again, israel has and likely always will control the security situation in geographical palestine. hamas had hang gliders, home made rockets and AKs. israel has tanks, and aircraft, and a multimillion dollar missile defense system that shields them from said home made rockets. israeli security has and never will be a question and deflection that "That is how to fight an insurgent population"
>>34364 is an obvious and poor attempt to suggest otherwise.
No.34375
>>34370Not just them but the Muslims in the surrounding nations. Even if there were no Palestinian radicals(which there obviously would be) Iranian backed militia would move in and kill the Jews anyway.
>>34372The Arabs of the region started a war with Israel as soon as it was created. The Jews did not start this.
All casualties comparisons like that show is that the Israelis were better, which we know anyway given that they won the numerous wars they fought against the region.
No.34376
>>34372The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him – except the gharqad (a kind of thorny tree).’
This is what they believe in, it's in the hadith.
No.34377
In which peace negotiations since Israel was founded has Palestine bitten the bullet and accepted some concessions to Israel for securing a two state solution or officially recognized Palestinian land.
No.34378
It's amazing how people have been conditioned to see Arabs in general as subhuman and Israeli as morally in the right.
Even from the first strike rational, at what point have the Israeli gone beyond a reasonable response?
The American media apparatus is great at making supposedly passive people into accepting of killing others. Evoking imagery of times that have long passed. Perhaps this is a byproduct of Israel abusing the mechanisms that were put in place to justify the US destruction of Arab economies.
Not all Islamic people wanted this. Who can really appose the other end of a gun from a dictatorship, but now that they're considered enemies just for being in the region of the enemy.
If you really appose theocratic states then you wouldn't be excessively targeting the civilian apparatus of the other country and trying to leave it's economy in tact.
If you want to be a reasonable person then you have to consider what's a reasonable response. When has it gone too far? When is it just a war of aggression instead of a defensive war?
Israel has timelessly used excuses to land grab. They get criticized for this by every country except the US.
Of course we are only by standards who are paying for Israel to buy weapons, unless you are in a select group of countries who have done arms embargo on Israel.
No.34379
>>34378>Israel has timelessly used excuses to land grabNo duh. But no Palestinian authority has ever aggressively pushed for peace, and if they did they were assassinated for being too soft on Israel.
No.34380
>>34375>as soon as it was createdwhich had a decades-long prelude of zionists openly discussing how they wanted to take over the land, immigrating by the hundreds of thousands then buying up all the property while only hiring other jews as laborers and with the help of their paramilitaries splitting off from the british mandate that was trying to keep the two sides appeased whose white paper acknowledged there was a problem
this had already led to protests before, of course there would be a war when the israelis forcefully rejected the possibility of coexistence by asserting unilaterally the primacy of their new jewish state
No.34392
But what annoys me more is the insane uncompromising nature of the extreme left that treats everything besides their insane fantasy of holding the entire west accountable for Israel as a non-issue instead of doing the bare minimum advocacy to assure that Palestinians actually exist to advocate for 4 years from now. If they really cared about the conflict then they probably wouldn't want to equate the guy that has criticized possible weapons embargo to Israel as trying to kill it, the same man that has not once supported a two state solution (nor a secular state), who's prayed before the grave of a Chabad Rabbi, and who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
No.34393
>>34392this post exhibits mild symptoms of schizophrenia
No.34394
>>34393Show me one video where Hasan supports and encourages voting for Kamala
No.34395
Arabs should leave the Levant, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco and go back to Arabia.
No.34396
Opps, I forgot Iraq and Jordan, they should leave Iraq and Jordan too. It's Iraq not Arabaq.
No.34397
They can probably stay in Kuwait though.
No.34398
I checked and yes they are allowed to stay in Kuwait.
No.34399
>>34394i'm not gonna watch him
No.34422
>>34417But that would be antithetical to his core beliefs, the fact that he never romanced on what he believed was right is a good thing.
Probably Kuon would do it, but not Yang.
No.34424
>>34422>But that would be antithetical to his core beliefsPerhaps, but if your beliefs are so inflexible that you are willing to leave treasonous politicians in office and work against an officer's coup set on removing those politicians, you in effect become an anti-democratic agent. Yang was working under the assumption that democracy could still prevail, not realizing or fully internalizing that he already lived under and worked to protect an authoritarian oligarchy.
If Kuon was there, she would have understood... Haku
had to become
Oshtor.
No.34427
>>34395>>34396Holy mother of false equivalences.
You can't expect desert nomads to have a big enough population to define the genetic makeup of the population they conquered. Copts are still Copts, Berbers are still Berbers, Syrians are still Syrians, and Persians are still Persians, whether they are Muslims or not. On top of that, "Arab" is an umbrella term for several groups that were not limited to the peninsula, like the Marsh Arabs and Nabateans. The people you're talking about were mostly the ruling class and the degree to which they mixed with the native population varied, as well as it taking place over the course of several centuries (including those before the conquest). Al-Andalus is in this sense comparable to the Visigothic Kingdom that preceded it, or the Manchu of the Qing dynasty. Plenty of their subjects ended up with no ancestry from their rulers.
The Palestinians are genetically Levantine, ancient people who converted to Christianity and Islam, and closer to their pre-20th century Jewish neighbors than the European Jews are to either because of intermixing with other yuros. Recall Rosenstrasse and the married Jews and Mischlinge that were released by the Nazis of all people, in motherfucking 1943, due to the resistance of their Germanic wives. Refer to the Nuremberg Laws as well. But with the ethnic cleansing of Israel, the people living there
are no longer Palestinian, they have been exiled and replaced by a group who arrived there decades ago. It's a radically different situation, and I very much doubt Kuon would condone it.
No.34441
>>34427>Holy mother of false equivalences.And yet you go on to compare the Arab conquests to the Manchus conquest of China...
The genetic impact of the Arabs on the various regions they took over differs depending on location is a quite complicated subject, but there is a lot of it there. It has been shown that many of these ancient native populations are different than the modern ones and that the modern ones do have a lot of Arab DNA.
Going back to the Manchus, the situation there is quite different because they didn't intermingle as much and did not leave their genetic footprint on China in the same way as the Arabs did but also they didn't leave such a linguistic footprint either. Remember, almost every nation that I mentioned speaks Arabic now with the exception of some of the Levant. Pretty much nobody in China speaks Manchu, it's a dying language. Only around 20 people speak it as a first language.
Palestinians are mostly Levantine, but so are the Jews. The Jews and the Palestinians are genetically very similarly but culturally they are quite different. The Palestinians are culturally Arabic as are most of the people in the nations that I mentioned. But yes, there are also a lot of foreign Jews as well.
But anyway. I was not really being serious about deporting all of the Arabs. While I think it would be cool to resurrect Babylon there isn't any practical way to do that, as that culture is long dead, same with Egypt and all the other places.
Even Kuon probably couldn't bring back the Egyptian empire.
No.34477
>>34441I agree with all of that, actually. I do think the comparison between the Manchu and the Visigoths work, both were assimilated and lost their language, I picked Al-Andalus specifically because it's the furthest of the Arab conquests and to me much closer to those two than to anything Israel has done. But yes, I was reading about Maghrebi people and one part said they have about 40% parental inheritance IIRC.
No.34478
Oh shit, I forgot about Kuon again...