No.155640
I made a friend online last year but it really is uncommon for me.
He is a gay schizophrenic Japanese teen that likes guitar.
No.155642
I rarely play multiplayer games outside of community events anymore.
No.155649
>>155646>because nothing even virtual danger triggers increased bondingbleh meant to "say nothing increases bonding like danger, even virtual danger."
No.155662
>>155646It's because when people talk to each other in games it's genuine
No.156012
>>155663But at this point they are not really friends, you are just associates in a game, someone else could take his place and for you the change would be minimal.
No.157244
>>155663>>156012I don't do much more with my real life friends.
No.157267
>>155663takes a long time to turn a vidya associate into a real friend (plus some real chemistry between you) but it's definitely worth it
if you're lucky you can get to the point where you can talk about fucking anything and have fun
I'm almost always happy to see one of my two real online friends message me
I don't have any real life friends so it does mean a lot to me to have those guys around
No.157268
>>155635Big boy sad he can't call people niggers without being banned
No.157283
>>155629I haven't met a single new person through gaming since Xbox party chat and later Discord replaced in-game chat. In fact, I don't think I've heard a single person talk in in-game chat in almost 10 years now. Aside from people that leave their private chat to accuse me of cheating or something since I'm pretty good at FPS and fighting games.
I have been invited to their private chats but every time I nope out pretty quickly. The last thing I want to do is listen to a group of 6+ people all yelling over top of each other that I don't know.
No.157306
>>157267But this is really impossible to do when you don't know how to make friends in the first place. If you're not used to social cues, it's very difficult to tell when it's okay to talk to someone or what you should talk about and all sorts like that. Making friends is a very difficult skill that you can only really acquire growing up, locking you out of it as an adult if you didn't learn how.
No.157316
>>155630> I don't know if it's due to alternate communication platforms, an increase in policing chatsIt's these two things. The advent of D*scord and the game chats getting increasingly sanitized with the supposedly purpose of protecting children made in-game interactions become too shallow. Although being too old to interact with other players, who usually are younger and have a completely different mindset you do also doesn't help. I also feel like the average person became way too insufferable nowadays, it feels like they are too try harders, always wanting to show that they know more than you do. But that must be just my problem.
No.157319
>>157316>it feels like they are too try harders, always wanting to show that they know more than you do.It's true.
>late 2000s-early 2010s>playing flavor of the month FPS on Xbox using in-game chat>lobby filled with teenagers and young adults screaming nigger and other insults>accusing each other of underhanded tactics and sometimes cheating>"We going to fuck you up on the next map">play with mostly same group of randoms for hours>everyone having fun even the one kid raging>if lucky get to hear kid screaming insults and cussing get beaten by his mother when she overhears him screaming into the mic>entire chat laughs>probably find at least 1-2 you like everyday that you add to your friends list to play private games with laterCompared to now:
>in-game chat mostly silent>if not it's a bunch of young kids screaming about memes you haven't ever heard of because you don't use tiktok or whatever they're using these days>try to be social with them>get shamed by entire group for saying the word "retard" or some other no-no word they've decided is off limits in the last week>they mass report your account and try to get you banned from the game>half of the time they manage to do it>the other half of the time they follow you around attempting to ruin your fun and anyone else's fun that randomly got matched up with you>impossible to meet anyone organically anyway due to modern matching systems always grouping you with the same people>impossible to play with truly random team because each and every game consists of large groups of 3-8 people doing nothing but pub stomping>get nagged to "join the discord" constantly despite in-game chat functioning fine and not requiring account+dox+terrible user interface>if you do bow to demands and "join the discord" the first thing these people do is attempt to dox you and root through your posting history because they have nothing better to do with their lives>if game is more than 3 months old nearly impossible to find decent match without joining some random discord channel where some person that doesn't even play and/or is bad at the game rules over everyone with an iron fistMore issues but you get my point. I just assume I'm not going to be talking to anyone when I play these days no matter what game. It's very depressing remember how populated stuff like L4D1/2 used to be with in-game chat and hearing how quiet it is now. Lost count of how many teams I've carried only to get kicked out because I refuse to join their party chats. As if I need to hear them yelling at each other when I'm already saving them within 2 seconds of them getting captured. Of course, I'm obviously using aim bot or something since I'm saving them so fast and wipe out entire hordes before they even realize they've spawned. They complain no matter how well or bad you play.
It's so bad a few years ago I started resorting to changing my name to in-game character names in an attempt to avoid getting kicked out for refusing to join their party chats.
Discord is awful but Xbox party chat had a similar effect on in-game chat back when that dashboard update dropped. Everyone hated it. But they all crawled into their friends-only spaces anyway. The only reason it didn't become the cancer that discord turned out to be was the limit on how many people could be in a voice chat at any given time. I think it was 8 but its been so many years since I paid for Live that I can't remember now.
I'm not sure why modern games even ship with in-game chat these days considering no one uses it.
No.157324
In the late 2000s-early 2010s, I was playing flavor of the month FPS on Xbox using in-game chat. It was in a lobby filled with teenagers and young adults screaming
nigger and other insults, accusing each other of underhanded tactics and sometimes cheating. They'd say things like "We going to fuck you up on the next map". I'd play with mostly same group of randoms for hours, everyone having fun even the one kid raging. You will, if lucky get to hear kid screaming insults and cussing get beaten by his mother when she overhears him screaming into the mic. Then the entire chat laughs. You'd probably find at least 1-2 you like everyday that you add to your friends list to play private games with later.
Then everything changed. Nowadays I find the in-game chat mostly silent. if not it's a bunch of young kids screaming about memes you haven't ever heard of because you don't use tiktok or whatever they're using these days. If you try to be social with them, you get shamed by entire group for saying the word "retard" or some other no-no word they've decided is off limits in the last week, or they mass report your account and try to get you banned from the game (half of the time they manage to do it, the other half of the time they follow you around attempting to ruin your fun and anyone else's fun that randomly got matched up with you). It's impossible to meet anyone organically anyway due to modern matching systems always grouping you with the same people, and it's impossible to play with truly random team because each and every game consists of large groups of 3-8 people doing nothing but pub stomping. If you're unlucky, you get nagged to "join the discord" constantly despite in-game chat functioning fine and not requiring account+dox+terrible user interface. Then if you do bow to demands and "join the discord" the first thing these people do is attempt to dox you and root through your posting history because they have nothing better to do with their lives. if game is more than 3 months old nearly impossible to find decent match without joining some random discord channel where some person that doesn't even play and/or is bad at the game rules over everyone with an iron fist.
>>157322He's quoting me.
No.157354
>>157268Not him but it's absolutely true
Chat policing leads to a culture of everyone not already "in" to walk on eggshells at all times
you never really know what'll set off certain people
No.157357
>>157354Control speech and you control thoughts (eventually). I don't agree with a lot of things people say but I'll defend their right to say it every time. No one was bothered by people yelling nigger, fag, retard and all sorts of other insults. If they were they've had tools to mute and block such people for decades now.
The truth is they don't care about people being rude and insulting. They just want the ability to do it without other people doing it back to them. They want to control what people say and how they think.
The squeakers and people raging were both funny and not that annoying. Since it was always a simple matter of blocking them (or kicking them out of the lobby) if they were doing it to the point where no one else could talk. They were certainly far less annoying that these people that demand they be silenced and spend all their time silencing everyone else they don't agree with. They claim they want improve the community. But they're just like forum mods of old who simply want to censor anyone talking smack and posting truth about them.
No one will ever convince me that banning certain "hurtful" words from stuff like fighting games and IRL tournaments is an improvement over the fun smack talking we had in the past. These people have pretty much killed the IRL tournament scene. Everything about them is much worse than what we had in the past. There are no longer independent tournaments because of them. You aren't allowed to talk smack/trash, you aren't allowed to gamble on money matches, adults are no longer allowed to drink alcohol/smoke even when they're doing it far away from everyone else and they've all but banned interesting cosplay. Unless whomever cosplaying happens to be some kind of tiktok model looking to charge money to take pictures with them of course.
Imagine if some event like Comiket was being run by these people and they demanded all doujin they don't like not be shown openly at the booths and that the girls aren't allowed to dress up as cute anime girls. That's pretty much what they've done to tournaments and they police speech online the same way.
Who gave them the right? It certainly wasn't you and I. Nor should the publishers have a right to dictate what people do with the games they've paid money for. It's so bad now you can't stream games like Stream Fighter on major platforms without risking getting sued for EULA violation if someone in the chat says a bad word.
No.157358
>>157354And it's not even entirely because you can't say nigger. Banter is also highly moderated to the point that chats in current multiplayer games feel robotic and soulless.
No.157359
planetside 2 yell chat was largely indistinguishable from /vg/ it was great
No.157364
>>155629>gay and retardedWhenever I see social media-isms like this, it's an immediate red flag. Stop speaking in fads and start speaking english.
>>155635>>157354>>157357The problem is that you really can't close pandora's box on this kind of thing, at least not easily. We're at the point where the default is sanitized, so if you create an environment that is unsanitized, you're going to immediately attract the kind of annoying, obstinate faggots that make "says the nigger word and gets in fights a lot" their entire personality.
No.157389
>>157306I'm not sure...
I think if you think about it and approach it with patience, you can do it (permitting that you had the good fortune to make a casual acquaintance whose personality meshes well enough with yours)
No.157394
>>157364that's unfortunately a good point as well
No.157399
>>155629I don't have friends, and I don't play games with people I know, only with randoms
Why? because if they know me they get uppity, they think they can disturb me mid playing some game to talk to me about some shit or worse, invite me to their game when im playing something else and get mad I refuse
They also get mad if im not talking to them long enough or not engaging with their screenshots or other bullshit, what a pain in the ass. If I don't talk to someone for a few months or a few years it's normal to me, I still think of this person as a friend, but often to other person I "ghosted" them or something like dude I was online all the time just say something if you care so much gee
No.157400
>>157354it accelerated my development into psychopath, reading "how to make friends and influence people" and some other such books, then applying theory into practice. it just works.
I tell everyone what they want to think, and always say things that will get me something, and everyone thinks me a great person and a good friend. I get information and support whenever I want, and I bet I could get some real life help too if I ever wanted to extend these friendships to irl.
Of course I don't actually care about any of these people, and despise a fair share of them, and if they piss me off I destroy them from behind the scenes without them ever being the wiser (for example, anonymously leaking their nudes to family members, or downvoting their videos/novels/artworks etc) or giving them bad advice in "good faith" on purpose etc. I got good at all that.
If they didn't want me to become like that, they shouldn't have created a world that forced me to adapt in this way. There is a limit to how many times a person can be dogpilled on before they adapt a mask and become the dogpiller, in fact better then any and all of them. Once you make this adaptation, once you start looking through people and not at them, there is no coming back.
No.157401
>>157400>anonymously leaking their nudes to family membersI have several questions.
No.157402
>>157400Alright.
I for one would rather do what I can (if I can) to be a good friend
No.157403
>>157399> If I don't talk to someone for a few months or a few years it's normal to meI know this feeling all too well. They get really angry when you refuse to instantly return messages for no reason. Just because I'm a friend doesn't mean I want to be on call on day. The flip side to this is: IRL I probably wouldn't mind the show up and knock. It shows so much effort that unless I'm really busy (playing a game doesn't count) I'll usually be overjoyed you came without calling first. Unless you know I sleep that time of day or something. I try to hang out with people that do that whenever possible because if you don't they're less inclined to do it in the future. Had lots of really fun good days because of this rule.
But if I'm online playing a game? Send a message. If I don't respond assume I'm busy and want my "me time". Same for missed calls/txts. If it was really important I would have responded already.
>>157400>reading "how to make friends and influence people" and some other such books, then applying theory into practice. it just works.It can't be understated how much I hate this book and the people that take it to heart and abuse it.
No.157420
>>157400You chose to be like that. Plenty of people deal with the bullshit of others and still try to be good people.
No.157424
>>157420>deal with the bullshit of othersI genuinely don't understand having others deal with your bullshit, everyone has their own share of bullshit to deal with, just be nice to people. Unless it's someone you're in that level of an emotional relationship with.
No.157427
>>157400You sound like you're displeased that you
"have to" be a guerilla in toxic spaces, but it doesn't seem like you're getting anything genuinely worthwhile out of it - other than the possibility to be a guerilla for the sake of being guerilla, as if you owe it to the very system itself to play a role. You explicitly signal that you can call out and navigate through complacency, unlike those whom you dislike, and yet...?
No.157430
Happy about the force of niceness coming back to this thread.
No.157432
>>157399>just say something if you care so much gee>they think they can disturb me mid playing some game to talk to medumb brat
No.157520
>>157427it's not like I don't have any hobbies other then that lol at the basic level it's something like that
A person: "Waaah waaah my feelings!"
My honest thoughts: "Shut up, your problems don't concern me"
But if I say it, people will think im le bad person and start arguing with me. The whinning dude started whinning because he wanted to get attention and emotional support, so instead I say:
"Oh my god, that's so horrible! Tell me more *gives some pointless advice*"
Now this costs me exactly the same amount of time and energy as option number one, but the dude is grateful to me now and everyone can see what a good person I am.
Hmmm...maybe it's a wrong example? Lets try this one.
Them: "People who read lolicon manga are same as real pedophiles and should be castrated"
My honest thoughts: "It's not true and you're just virtue signaling"
What I actually say: "Hell yeah, hang these sick fucks by the balls!"
By telling people what they want to hear and making them feel validated and good in my presence, I condition them to associate me with good feels subconsciously, like pavlov's dog. "People won't remember what you said, but they will never forget how you made them feel" is so true.
But my value system is still here, just hidden. And thus in above example, I will find a way to make the life of virtue signaling moralfag, who wants to police manga and doujins, most miserable. And he will never be the wiser.
What else do I get of it? Other then vengeance I wouldn't get if I argued with these people directly? Well, I guess friend and sorta duping delight. The sense of euphoria of having tricked everyone. Not everyone experiences that.
No.157521
>>157520okay but.... why do you hang out with such people
No.157522
I miss the druggie friend I made years ago. I still have him in my friendslist but I'd feel too ashamed to message him and find out he's going places while I'm still in the hole I was when I met him.
No.157523
>>157521sometimes, you get things from community that makes it worthwhile
for example, I got to know a lot of knowledgeable people such as medics, soldiers and IT specialists, who will often give me advice whenever I need it, all I had to do is ask because they like me
there are also hobby specific communities, like for example centered around some video game, where you have to interact with people to learn more and play with others and get advice join a guild etc etc
All these things have tangible benefits to me.
And sometimes, like I said, it's just fun. They can't tell I'm laughing in front of the screen when I fake empathy etc. Understand that doing all this isn't just effortless to me, it's fun.
No.157524
>>157522This hit too close to home...
No.157528
>>157522hey im the druggie friend
actually I stopped doing drugs years ago, used to be hardcore
I have a lot of friends on my friendlist on steam whom I haven't talked to in years
if one of them messaged me, I probably wouldn't mind
No.157533
>>157523You do seem to be a psychopath, yes. That's not how human interaction is supposed to work; people aren't there for you to exploit as a resource for your own benefit. Humanity never would have advanced past the chase-animals-with-poi
nty-sticks stage if we were all seconds away from betraying each other for short-term gains.
It's not something learned, though, it's innate.
No.157538
>>157533>You do seem to be a psychopath, yes. That's not how human interaction is supposed to work; people aren't there for you to exploit as a resource for your own benefit. Humanity never would have advanced past the chase-animals-with-pointy-sticks stage if we were all seconds away from betraying each other for short-term gains.>if we were all Not that anon, but that's the caveat.
People that are not lizard-braining around are a minority, ending up getting along with them to any meaningful and sustainable depth is an additional rarity on its own.
People ARE usually seconds away from betrayals of any magnitudes - including minor ones that one would care about only through high sensitivity, - and, - reasonably - people are not obligated to be sincere.
Short-term gains WILL be grasped by anyone at your expense if your loss is deemed to be an acceptable loss. It's always within "tolerability" limits when it's legal AND when the perpetrator is not found out or suspected. Plausible deniability, gaslighting, and other "who cares? Chill out, drama queen loser" are bonus "tolerability" buffers. If that's too much damage to bear for you, it is still effectively your fault for not planning against this outcome, signaling your worth, maneuvering, or disengaging altogether.
It IS uncomfortable to integrate this, because it's always easier to externalize and project these systematic basics onto psychopaths and sociopaths et al. (possibly because of the instinct to do virtue signaling).
And it IS oppressive to face unless your bedrock mindset is that you're under the role of an alive person fighting against negative effects of entropy affecting you.
If the main defense system of mindlessly complacent people are them and their communities being disgusting, and since psychopaths don't feel any disgust, -
[Learning material]
>Psychopathy, for instance, is a personality disorder in which disgust sensitivity to contagious bodily secretions is apparently absent or downregulated from its atypical personality temperament. In this review, we provide convergent behavioral, anatomical, and cellular evidence to suggest that a fractured experience of disgust sensitivity might be an additional feature of psychopathic behavior
https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/tnsci-2022-0358/html- it's only a good riddance they get sleeper agents of psychopathy.
Feeling bad for that anon, though. It's still a bad deal for him even from a purely rational perspective.
No.157539
>>157538>psychopaths don't feel any disgustThanks, it's not an opinion frequently seen in literature on the subject, and I haven't seen that particular paper before. I didn't expect someone remotely knowledgeable here, I'll get on reading in this instant.
My immediate thought: Kant postulated that all morality is derived from aesthetics, people consider what is good to be beautiful and what is evil to be ugly and vice versa; could suppressed or perhaps reversed sense of disgust in psychopathic people be correlated to their immunity to conventical morality?
Though I always thought it's more like Saya no Uta situation, with psychopaths being like fuminori or vice versa;
>Feeling bad for that anon, though. It's still a bad deal for him even from a purely rational perspective.Elaborate on the rational perspective, I have trouble grasping the meaning here
No.157541
>>157539(me)
>For instance, most psychopaths often participate in repeated violent criminality that puts them directly in contact with pathogens and parasites.>A proportion of psychopaths also frequently participate in paraphilic behaviors that increase their contact with microbial threats. For example, necrophilia and cannibalismCould this be explained by the same reason why youths with conduct disorder can't be controlled by punishment? It's not that they want to get punished. They regret it afterwards. But because of the lowered inhibition systems and heightened sensitivity to short term rewards, they act before thinking about consequences, and thus repeat the same offence over and over again, and thus get punished over and over again. Could the same impulsivity and difficulty of thinking of consequences be responsible for doing such things that may seem hot in the moment but are unhealthy and perhaps even disgusting in the hindsight?
And another possibility, related to my saya no uta parallel: could it be that psychopaths consider things that other people find disgusting, such as getting blood splattered on their face, to be neutral, hot, arousing, pleasant, nice etc. while they experience things that other humans find pleasant to be disgusting and repulsive?
For example, the way someone with certain food intolerance will develop a disgust towards the types of foods they can't digest, long before receiving the official diagnosis.
>At first glance, the proposed hypotheses discussed in this narrative review may seem to have little in common. Yet on close scrutiny, it becomes apparent that there is an intriguing degree of overlapping features between disgust sensitivity and psychopathy.Since there is no evidence for this hypothesis, in other words it was revealed to the author during a walk or perhaps in a dream, I think it's fair to entertain it but it shouldn't be given as "evidence" of psychopaths not feeling disgust the way you did it here
>>157538The paper is heavily into evolutionary psychology, which is the most speculative and often the most discredited field of psychology, precisely because it relies on assumptions and hypothesis. Notice how the author for that paper isn't working with any screening tests, nor experiment samples, nor dna code; he doesn't take a bunch of psychopaths and tests the hypothesis whether they really feel disgust or not, he just assumes they don't because his image of psychopath is a serial killer like Ted Bundy, even though serial killers are minority within psychopathic population, and not all serial killers are psychopaths. The author also doesn't work with dna; he doesn't even attempt to isolate or explain which genes could pre responsible for what. Possibly because he doesn't know. His explanation of how bacteria work or what is the brain structure of psychopathy isn't as impressive as he thinks either; For the latter was discredited long ago. Mental health gave up on trying to diagnose people with psychopathy by studying their brains precisely because there is often nothing wrong with their brains structurally. That being said, damage to certain regions such as pre frontal cortex can cause psychopathic like traits in people (increased aggression, impulsive behaviors) etc. but that doesn't mean they become psychopaths. We have a whole category for drug induced brain damage (stims like cocaine are notoriously known to damage prefrontal cortex and make people behave that way).
Thus, I am disappointed by that paper. Still, it was an interesting perspective that gave me some food for thought. Perhaps someone more competent will give more effort to testing this hypothesis; replicability crisis in psychology nonwithstanding.
No.157542
>>157541Then I suppose I'm biased and lazy for considering to quote it instead of doing and presenting any anonymous research work, because I see the conclusion as self-evident and practically observable in real life.
>>157539>My immediate thought: Kant postulated that all morality is derived from aesthetics, people consider what is good to be beautiful and what is evil to be ugly and vice versaI entertained these thoughts before, but, in the end,
>could suppressed or perhaps reversed sense of disgust in psychopathic people be correlated to their immunity to conventical morality?morality is functionality-based - as the process practically governed by groomed moral instincts - and has rather objective metrics: markers of commitment to long-term cooperation.
The personal sense of aesthetics is developed by the very development of discernment of what said sense is not.
When you're disgusted - morally/viscerally - over an art piece enough, you stop considering it to be an art piece - instead, you'd see it as a psychological weapon, as a failure of the artist, as something that performatively tries to influence you and extract a certain reaction over you - and so on. On the other hand, aesthetic disgust - whether of aesthetic incompatibility or not - would still keep you seeing the art piece as an art piece.
>Elaborate on the rational perspective, I have trouble grasping the meaning hereWasting time and mental effort on social rituals and drama, own reactions to social rituals and drama, and scanning through the low quality social fluff to stay being informed are already too much on the ROI when you also have to do discernment to be sure a queried expert is actually giving correct and relevant output. Discernment is understandable, but the rest are easily tradable for finding and developing your own ways to be an autodidact or someone who can get and process precise info with ROI-scalable effort.
Even when I didn't get involved in drama circles, experts having no ideas what I'm even asking about when it's directly related to their immediate specializations had been pretty thought-provoking.
No.157545
>>157538The only route I see to how a reduced sensitivity to disgust relates to psychopathy is by way of reduced sensitivity towards moral questions and a reduced empathetic connection with others, leading to not learning that certain behaviors are repulsive to others. But that would require someone dumb and someone who doesn't find interacting with others important for any reason.
A group of "mindlessly complacent" people in the context of psychopathy and reduced level of disgust doesn't add up to psychopaths being sleeper agents. What does mindlessly complacent mean here? The main defense against psychopathy is an environment that requires strict social cooperation to survive, in the context of poor hygiene someone who's unhygienic because they have a reduced sensitivity to disgust for any reason at all would be selected against because their mere presence would be a threat to everyone they interact with. No one would smear shit on their face to repulse those who don't care at all if there's shit on their face. Just have an environment where the fitness of socially cooperative people is reduced if they don't seek out and remove socially uncooperative people.
To be fair, the reasons behind social cooperation can include seeing the functional utility of cooperation, as long as they have interests and desires that require other people to see fulfilled, which doesn't exclude those with low sensitivity to disgust. Although acting against your instincts is high IQ behavior, very few if these hypothetical low-disgust psychopaths would be willing to keep themselves in check.
I really doubt most people are doing game theory calculations in their head. Most people I interact with have irrational (non-fitness enhancing [this includes this]) desires that they require others to help fulfill. Since most of their instincts happen to align towards pro-social behavior, they tend to be pleasant to be around. People are not seconds away from murdering each other or stealing from each other or sabotaging other people's lives for something non-material because they don't want to, they find it repulsive, but that's population dependent. Some groups are. Psychopaths
do not act purely rationally, they just have basic desires, low emotional empathy, and a lack of inhibition that makes being violent and manipulative highly rewarding and stimulating. They also tend to get bored often.
>>157542When the goal is being more manipulative because being an asshole is rewarding 'discernment' is a lot less valuable than having good narrative control and a good understanding of what the average person sees as believable. The appearance of competence is more important than actual competence.
No.157555
For what it's worth, bragging on an imageboard about how manipulative you are isn't psychopathic, it's just narcissistic. This kind of behavior only stems from delusions of self-importance.
No.157568
i'm segging every fag in this bread
No.157584
>>157583I go first.
First come, first to come.
No.157588
>>157542>autodictat >roi-scalable effort>queried expert >experts having no ideas what I'm even asking about when it's directly related to their immediate specializationsHave you considered that maybe the reason they don't know what you're talking about is because you're failing to communicate your ideas in clear and understandable matter, perhaps on purpose?
If you're arguing against the value of the so called social networking because you're convinced you can alone become an expert on every subject then no, you are wrong and blinded by ego. Probably a narcissist on a trip.
> I see the conclusion as self-evident and practically observable in real life.What conclusions, that psychopaths have decreased disgust reactions? Where do you live and work that you know so many psychopaths to know that?
No.157589
>>157555Tbh it's the first time I'm doing it, and only because it's relevant to what other anon said, and also only mentioned it because I am anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
That being said, lotsa psychopaths have narcissistic traits, it's also possible to be diagnosed with both npd and aspd, and it's actually often the case (tho of course, aspd isn't exactly the same as psychopathy, the problem is that psychopath isn't an official diagnosis). In fact, for example Sam Vaknin says that a psychopath is a narcissist that became self aware, and there are a lot of narcissism related terms and disorders (malignant narcissism, dark triad etc) which combine narcissism with acquired psychopathy.
And frankly speaking, I know you probably won't listen to me if you haven't reached such conclusions already yourself but as (presumingly) otaku, excluded from "normal life" and society, you should own no allegiance to it and don't hesitate to exploit it however you can if you can. Of course, I don't assume most people here are otaku, much less hikkikomori; this is a nu-/jp/ after all. Still, I am puzzled by what this anon here
>>157533 is outraged about.
>>157583<GOOD>, <VERY GOOD>
No.157594
The average NORP fakes everything too, stop thinking you're special just because you surround yourself with autistic Otaku that are not afraid to be honest most of the time.
No.157598
>>157555True. General antisocial behavior isn't an indicator of psychopathy.
>>157538>People ARE usually seconds away from betrayals of any magnitudes - including minor ones that one would care about only through high sensitivity, - and, - reasonably - people are not obligated to be sincere.Humanity as a whole functions via mutual trust for the common good. Society is predicated upon it. Granted, some cultures are far more cutthroat than others due to circumstance like competition for limited resources, but there's still generally a sense of community going on somewhere in it. It's such a natural thing that people don't feel it. If you stop to ask for someone for directions, you're placing blind faith in them, and yet I bet you would do it. Maybe it doesn't mean as much now due to smartphones and GPS, but it's an example.
The very reason we are able to be exploited by nefarious people is because we have such trust in strangers.
No.157600
>>157594Most people only fake for a short period of time, and it costs them a lot of effort. Most people self express all the time, share their real opinions and show their real emotions. Most people don't think strategically on what to say to make someone do something all the time, if they are manipulative, it's once in a blue moon and they aren't good at that (unless they work in a profession that requires them to git gud, like sales)
Normies non ironically pursue friendships and romantics interests with other people, and they try to make these relations two-sided; not just addicting others to themselves, but also getting addicted, truly believing that they "love" someone or they "respect" someone or they "can't live without someone". Whether they actually can't live, well, most of the time they can, but in the moment when they say and think these things they truly believe their own lies.
No.157602
>>157598>If you stop to ask for someone for directions, you're placing blind faith in themI generally try to be nice to people but I screwed up really badly with this one time. I still think about it often.
I was walking down the mainstreet of my home town one day when a black woman stopped here car and asked me for directions. She wanted to know where the golf course was. I told her sure I know and tried to be helpful. I told her to follow me then hopped in my car and started leading her to where I thought the golf course was. I led her about 5 miles to the edge of town. Then I stopped and told her it was just ahead and to keep going. You can't miss it.
Later that night I remembered that the golf course she was looking for was on the other side of town and the place I led her led out of the town then a short ways later out of the state.
I felt horrible because she most likely assumed I was a huge racist that was telling her to GTFO. Its been 15 years and I still think about it often. I hope she didn't cry.
No.157603
>>157598>Humanity as a whole functions via mutual trust for the common goodThen we wouldn't need cctv, laws and prisons. And even these measures don't deter many, not to mention how people in positions of power and authority often abuse it and get away with it.
The only reason you trust that your bus driver won't cause an accident on purpose or that your doctor won't fuck your surgery up is because you assume pragmatic self interest and degree of rationality from them; that they want to earn money, that they don't want to go to prison, that they have reputation to uphold and that they aren't suicidal. But if a doctor or a bus driver had lowered inhibitions (for example because they were drunk), would you let them drive or do surgery on yourself? Of course not, because you can no longer count on them being rational actors.
No.157628
>>157589I find the jump from "feeling excluded" to "complete dehumanization of the Other" to be... a very depressing, confusing, and regretful way of viewing other people. And it's not something that occurs to me at all as reasonable. I don't feel excluded from anything, because it never occurred to me to even think about it like that.
>>157603Do you think the existence of hostile people mutually excludes the existence of friendly people? Oh. Do you mean that humanity as a whole requires a system of reprisal to socially function (rather than simply trusting that people will behave)? Such a society is by definition a low-trust one, society is in a state of dysfunction when no one is cooperating with each other and only acting on their personal interests rather than the long-term success of the group.
No.157631
>>157628The bad people out for personal gain are parasites. They move into high-trust societies to exploit them and in time they become low trust societies. At which point they must move on to another host and continue the process. It's an evolution thing. At some point the parasite will no longer have hosts to mooch off of and the parasite will die. Unless they build robots or something but then they'll probably end up killing each other.
What you would call good people are trusting, naive and want to help. Which makes them the perfect targets for the parasites. I refuse to call them predators. It gives them too much credit. A predator has to work for its meal. A parasite doesn't.
I wish I knew of a way to exclude the parasites and only have high-trust society. But most things I can think of require becoming a bad person and doing bad things. Which is why it's so hard to get rid of the parasites once they're in and hidden among good people. The best way is being on an isolated island or something and never making contact in the first place I think. Which is why most high-trust so societies that still exist in the modern world are typically located on islands. Japan being the most obvious example.
A high trust society doesn't imply an easy life as well. In a high trust society you're expected to contribute to society for the greater good. Which requires giving up some personal freedoms and donating time/energy for the good of society. Which is how you end up with hellish work culture of places like Japan. But I think the benefits outweigh the downsides.
I grew up in a high trust society that became a low trust society. I really preferred how things were before it was a low trust society even though more was expected of me.
No.157645
>>157631lol. you do realize this simplistic view of reality you are presenting here would qualify you for aspd or similar such diagnosis? you are what you hate, actually, it makes perfect sense that you hate in others what you repress in yourself.
No.157650
>>157645based dsmvgod bringing the epic textbook-style
No.157651
>>157650is he based on sage?
No.157652
>>157541It's probably because when they kill there is a lot of adrenaline released, and other stress hormones, in heat of the moment they probably don't even notice the smell/blood/feces etc.
No.157661
>>157645Psychology is a pseudoscience which was the laughing stock of the scientific community until the late 1920s. It's the only so-called science where a bunch of people get together and vote on what is and what isn't a medical condition. So forgive me for not putting any faith in it.
But even if it were real I'm pretty sure no one would be able to properly determine if someone was ill based on one post on the internet.
No.157663
>>157661That pseudoscience can get you safely locked behind the bars for life, or committed to compulsory treatment in a mental hospital before you hurt yourself or others
Sounds great to me. wish other pseudosciences like astrology, alchemy or philosophy were that useful!
No.157664
>>157663Yes the system is not fair and abusive. We're aware. Seen many a person accused of being crazy then when backed in the corner they defend themself. Which is used as justification for labeling them as crazy. I'm thankful everyday to have been born in a country where I can legally murder anyone that steps on to my property without permission.
No.157665
You can argue about psychobabble all you want. The bottom line is this. You know if you're doing wrong. You know if you've got wrong in your heart. You know if you're treating people like shit. If you're doing those things without feeling bad then yes I suppose you're crazy and shouldn't be out here with the rest of us in society.
Treat people how you want to be treated. That's all you have to do. Goes double for defenseless animals and children. On the flip side, if you see anyone trying to harm someone else do whatever you can to help that person or animal being harmed. Simply because it's the right thing to do.
Lot of people attempt to conspire and justify their actions with words. But they know they're doing wrong. Even the so-called psychopaths.
On the flip side never be shocked at what happens when you push good people too far and give them no other choice. They become the most dangerous thing walking the planet at that point. The best thing to do is leave people alone and treat them with respect if you can't.
No.157666
I don't play video games with people online, so that's a moot point.
It's easy to make online friends though.
No.157669
>>157668Which is bullshit too and they know it.
No.157670
>>157669What about mathematics?
No.157671
>>157670Math is math. But you can do a bunch of things with pure math just like you can do stuff with language. Technically, it's correct but it doesn't really mean anything.
Math certainly isn't a bunch of people getting together to argue about their religion and how there are really 8 dimensions vs 12 or whatever they're up to in string/m-theory these days. All while still being unable to prove gravity isn't pure theory.
No.157672
I’m the oracle of the universe. Everything that I don’t approve is bullshit.
No.157673
>>157672No. I just read actual papers thanks to piracy which most people don't. Most people that are true believers get their science information from youtube videos, idols and state funded education. If they're weren't all full of shit they wouldn't be terrified to debate the flat earthers on national TV for my entertainment. But they've been ducking that Eric Dubay dude or whatever his name is for years.
They're making shit up for grant money. Science is a method not a religion. If you're basing theories you can't prove on theories you haven't been able to prove for nearly 200 years now you might as well open a church and start taking up donations like the hardcore believers that think Jesus is coming back any day now.
No.157674
>>157661>>157664>>157665>>157673You are right, psychology is wrong. Everyone is parasite, everyone but you. You are a good person, living a good life according to the golden rule. As clearly demonstrated in this thread. You are most knowledgeable, more then the so called "experts" and the sheepeople who follow them. You dig deep to find the truth, and you are certainly not a lemming who watches youtube, follows some "religion" or believes in theoretical physics(which is literally the same thing).
But unfortunately, you can't rest and be at peace, because there are parasites around. Lets hope these parasites who do wrong won't trigger you any further then you already are, else roarrr you will go berserk, the most dangerous thing walking the planet!
You can kill anyone who enters your property, you're just waiting with a gun until some parasite appears and then BAM! done and done.
And if someone dares tell you that you did wrong, for example some judge or prosecutor, just tell them that you didn't do wrong because deep in your soul it didn't feel wrong, and if they think otherwise they are pseudoreligious lemmings brainwashed by 120 year old pseudoscience!! That will shut them up.
No.157675
>>157674Why do you feel the need to be such a rude asshole? I don't know. That's the difference. I don't proclaim to know. I want to see one set of idiots that spews bullshit debate another set of idiots that spews bullshit for pure entertainment. That's all. If I can find some truth somewhere in the middle that'd be okay too.
I know what I'm not. I'm not a smug passive aggressive asshole.
No.157676
I personally just don't like other people and try not to associate with them as much as I can. I know I'm abnormal and would rather keep my distance than try to play these weird games people have.
No.157677
>>157675Only I know that I don’t know. No one else. I’m so unique and these plebs are so below be just for my entertainment.
No.157678
>>157677I consulted your beloved psycobabble. Here is what it has to say about you anon.
Passive-aggressive personality disorder (PAPD) is characterized by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in various situations. While not a formally recognized diagnosis in the DSM-5, it was previously categorized as a proposed disorder in the DSM-IV. Individuals with PAPD often exhibit behaviors like procrastination, stubbornness, inefficiency, and resentment, all while avoiding direct confrontation
>Key Characteristics:>Indirect Resistance:Instead of directly addressing their negative feelings or requests, individuals with PAPD use indirect methods to express their dissatisfaction or resistance.
>Procrastination and Delay:They frequently procrastinate on tasks, delay fulfilling obligations, and may even sabotage their own performance.
>Stubbornness and Resistance:They can be rigid and unwilling to compromise, often displaying a sullen and argumentative demeanor.
>Intentional Inefficiency:They may deliberately work inefficiently or make mistakes, sometimes as a way to express their resentment.
>Complaining and Resentment:Individuals with PAPD often complain, feel misunderstood, and harbor resentment towards those in authority or those who they perceive as successful.
>Causes and Associated Conditions:>Childhood Development:Factors like neglect, abuse, or growing up in a family with poor communication can contribute to the development of passive-aggressive behaviors, according to Charlie Health.
Mental Health Conditions:
Passive-aggressive behavior is also seen in individuals with other personality disorders, such as Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Long story short: You're being a faggot and it's because your parents didn't love you apparently.
No.157681
>>157672not him but anti-psychiatry is a legitimate stance, and the fact that homosexuality was in the dsm, the very complex situation of autism, or the simple fact that whatever condition is deemed to be maladaptive relies heavily on the environment (i.e. society), does point towards a lot of it being a social construct to a high degree, not all that different from renaissance conceptions of melancholy or enthusiasm
likewise, the fact that there exist people today who literally do not use numbers and lack them altogether, negatively impacting their ability to do basic operations, also points towards numbers and math being a technology that was invented not that long ago (in the vein of sumerian accountants), and not actually a feature of the universe like platonists say:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8393094_Numerical_Cognition_Without_Words_Evidence_From_Amazoniathe comparison to language is apt, in that we use it as a tool to describe the workings of nature, and as we develop math we can find new mechanisms with which to model the world, but the map is not the territory and anyone who ventures in creating a model must first pick out of all available options which fits the best, often normalizing the data to achieve this
neither is a neutral process
as far as i know, string theory has grown to be more negatively received by physicists in the last decades, and they're working on more realistic options now, which makes for a different but still tricky situation
No.157684
>>157673I... huh? Well, at least I don't need to spend effort trying to prove the value of psychology and the study of the most complex thing in the known universe if you're a flat earther.
It's unfortunate that it's so stigmatized and it prevents so much people from seeking help for themselves or other as a result, but that is itself a result of... psychology.
No.157686
>>157681I have always seen math as simply a universal language. Which is pretty accepted stance in the wider scientific community among those that actually seek truth. One could say math is the universal language to describe the known universe. The problem with modern science boils down to the fact that academia is tightly controlled. By that I mean if you do not say the right things and pretend to tow the line you do not get access to the grant money and the good toys. Anyone within academia is beholden to organizations like the National Science Foundation otherwise they are slandered, labeled nutters and blackballed by their peers. There are plenty of examples in the 1900s alone of honest well educated researchers being blacklisted and shunned simply because they refused to go along with what their Government happened to be promoting at the time. This is not unique to the west. There are plenty of examples of it happening in both Russia and China. Japan as well.
String and M-theory are admitted dead ends in many circles. These circles just happen to be comprised of outsiders though.
Here is some hard truth: If you lack the ability to explain something to a child you don't understand it yourself. There are far too many people these days that claim to have answers but when pressed they can not being to explain things in simple terms, in simple language to the simple minded. There is not one person walking the Earth today that knows how the universe truly works. Most people can not even explain how the Earth itself works. We're all expected to simply believe because someone somewhere said it was so. This is not science. This is religion by another name. Or maybe it'd be more correct to call it a cult. As religions doesn't pretend to all knowing most of the time.
The DSM example you gave is very relevant and I'm willing to be I'm the only one here that owns a hard copy of the DSM-1. I encourage anyone ITT to go on ebay right now and attempt to buy one. Hope you have a lot of cash. When I got mine 5 years ago they were less than $5 a copy. Go see what one costs now. It gets even better when you research what most of the other disorders in the DSM-1 were based upon and the admitted frauds that were patient zero for some of them. Or how about when they sent in a bunch of volunteers to the asylums back in the 1950s who were perfectly sane and healthy. All of which could not get themselves released until the doctor running the experiment told the asylums they were fakes. The asylums challenged him to run the experiment again. They said they'd catch the fakes the second time around. So he did and sent no one. A few weeks later they proudly announced they'd caught them all. They sent hundreds of people away that came seeking help that probably had something distressing going on in their lives since they voluntarily attempt to commit themselves. Only to get turned away when they needed help the most. All because these so-called doctors couldn't tell their asshole from a hole in the ground.
So forgive me of being skeptical. It isn't like I woke up one day and started making shit up. I actually read books and seek out answers you know. It isn't my fault some of you have no interest in having an actual discussion or hearing anything but
>you're right!all of the time. All you people do is project and pretend you live on the 10th layer of irony. Like you don't give a damn about anything. You spew bullshit then when challenged you just claim you were acting retarded or something. Like this:
>>157684I point out these hacks you're defending won't even debate a well known flat Earther. Which should be easy for them if they're oh so smart and have the backing of a war machine and all the big fun toys and data behind them. But you can't refute that or come up with any excuse for why they refuse to engage in debate with such people. So now I must be one of those people that think the Earth is flat. When I haven't ever said anything of the sort.
It's only personal attacks with you people. You follow the Forum Spy guide right to the letter. You will never engage in an honest discussion. You don't come on to the internet for real discussion. You don't want to make human connections. You don't care about truth. You just want to hear that you're right and maybe make someone mad. If you can't get that you'll claim everyone else is stupid, angry or whatever else you need to say to make yourself feel better about yourself. It's all you people do every day of the week. It's very sad and I feel very bad for you. That your life has been reduced to this when you could have spent your time doing something proactive and fun.
I really don't get it at all. What drives someone to act this way? Flamewars I get. Disagreements I get. Being retarded I get. But this being spiteful and dishonest just to be an asshole I'll never understand. No wonder some of you can't make friends on the internet or IRL. You are not interested in having friends. You're only interested in having a parrot that parrots back your opinions.
No.157688
The scientific method still applies to psychology and is used in psychology.
I won't say psychology is perfect but it is naturally going to be a difficult field to navigate.
No.157689
>>157684Most people who don't seek out psychological help for such a pseudo-intellectual reason as calling it pseudo science are usually narcissists or suffering from other personality disorders that as a general rule don't seek out psychological help at all; and if they do, they lie and argue with the psychiatrist and even the therapist because they think they know better.
You wouldn't prove the value of psychology or neuroscience to him, no matter what arguments you used.
No.157690
>'The world does not deserve me' - goes the inner refrain - 'and I shall waste none of my time and resources on it.'
To the letter.
No.157692
>>157688There are people who can call psychology a pseudoscience, and then explain why it is so, like above mentioned Sam Vaknin. He is working in the field, and his criticism is meant to improve psychology not reject it as a whole.
And then there are idiots like the flat earther guy who say
>>157661>It's the only so-called science where a bunch of people get together and vote on what is and what isn't a medical condition.Betraying their utter lack of understanding of the subject and probably also low IQ. In other words, morons.
No.157694
>>157686see, appalachian anon, the problem is that even though you often correctly point out problems (that are indeed acknowledged by many people) you're also extremely likely to randomly throw in unsubstantiated stuff and refuse to ever post any proof at all while implying specialists are incompetent and that it's all due to malicious cabals, which alongside your general style of rhetoric and walls of text makes you look really, really bad every single time we discuss anything for long enough
there have been a lot of debates with flat earthers for the last couple centuries, just like there have been many debates with creationists, and we have tons of arguments to use as ammunition because basically all disciplines would look totally different if either of those were true, but it hasn't stopped them because usually their arguments are an ad hoc in service of a greater goal (like proving the literalist inerrancy of the bible) and thus hardly affected by science
and i
know you have some wild beliefs yourself, which is part of the problem and what people really cling to
No.157696
>>157694Let's not even pretend any sources I posted would be accepted as worthy of inclusion. They will never engage in an actual debate. They don't because they know they can't win.
As usual this was a massive waste of my time and energy.
No.157697
>>157696you can post them on kissu, i promise i'll engage with it
please, please do it
No.157698
>>157686Wouldn't it be simply enough to say it's a desire for validation without needing to put in the full work? That people want to be affirmed in the correctness of their beliefs by someone who's more accredited than they so it's possible for them to belittle others. I think you're completely right in that if you aren't able to properly explain something in simple terms then you probably weren't that knowledgeable of it in the first place, which is probably why there's a real issue of academia falling over its head to deal with 'misinformation' because they want to just say something's true and be done with it. Actually justifying yourself to the public and critics seems to have unfortunately fallen out of favor.
I don't think I'd paint a brush of foolishness over all working in the stated fields. Especially since if physics were all bunk then engineering wouldn't work at all and we'd still be flinging rocks at each other. It's one thing to say that we don't understand gravity at a fundamental level, but it's another to say that we aren't able to gain useful information from observing its effect and approximating a calculation for its force.
And psychologists can eat my ass for the most part, but I do think that there's actual mental conditions that we should take care to recognize like with schizophrenia that causes violent outbursts. We don't nearly understand the brain well enough to definitively say
what precisely causes it, or how to fix it permanently, but we know how to treat it so that people can live without having those violent psychotic breaks.
Although what do I know, I barely have read many academic papers and spend more time curating my knowledge around Japanese and otaku culture.
No.157702
>>157686>It's only personal attacks with you people. You follow the Forum Spy guide right to the letter. You will never engage in an honest discussion.>you people>>157696> They will never engage in an actual debate.Back at you, anon. Are you engaging in debate? Are you talking to any of us now, are you listening to anything we've told you so far? It doesn't seem so.
You are debating "you people" internal object-strawman in your head, while not engaging with anything that's told to you, and refusing to provide any evidence or studies that would back your claims up.
In truly a fashion fitting for NPD, you are accusing others of what you are guilty.
No.157706
>>157697Not right now. I am tired and since I've suddenly been labeled a flat earther for no other reason than pointing out mainstream science idols can't beat those people in a proper debate I'm going to bed. For what it's worth, the Flat Earthers hate me just as much as the true pear shaped Earth believers.
If someone can prove gravity isn't a theory by the time I come back around maybe I'd be willing to engage again. I'm not trolling through the hundreds of books and white papers I've compiled and read over the years right now to attempt to win some debate on a board where the people throwing insults my way have flat out refused to argue in good faith anyway. If they want to remain ignorant that's their prerogative. Some people are just that way. They'll believe whatever and whomever they think is in power at any given time.
Also for what it's worth I don't believe in "wild theories". There are the things I know are true, the things I suspect are true and the things I don't know are true or false (yet).
Never trust someone that isn't willing to say they don't know...which is most people. There is knowing and there is proving. I don't need to prove some things beyond all doubt when it's easy enough to see from simply paying minimal attention and having some common sense that things aren't what they seem to be. The study of so-called psychology is simply the study of manipulation taken to its highest art form. It's advertising. It's thought control in other words and most of the idols of that field have always been bad and/or evil people seeking to do harm to their fellow man.
People were not suddenly stupid and ignorant up until about 200 years ago or even 2,000 years ago. In fact, I'd wager they were much smarter than the average person is today. I will never respect a field that's solution to everything is putting people on drugs. Just like I refuse to respect a field that shows us nothing but CGI models and claims to have taped over what is supposed to be the most important human voyage in all of mankind's history.
>>157698I encourage you to look into who runs the National Science Foundation and when it was founded anon if you don't already know. It might surprise you. I would give you a more lengthy reply but as I said I'm tired. But I have enjoyed this conversation.
>>157702See the above. If you want cordial discourse with me in the future you can learn a lot from the anon above you. You have done nothing but resort to attacks on my character (aka attacking the author) and flat out refused to engage with any points being made. As such, I no longer feel like wasting anymore of my time talking to you.
No.157707
> Alternatively, the narcissist feels victimized by mediocre bureaucrats and intellectual dwarves who consistently fail to appreciate his outstanding - really, unparalleled - talents, skills, and accomplishments. Being haunted by his challenged inferiors substantiates the narcissist's comparative superiority. Driven by pathological envy, these pygmies collude to defraud him, badger him, deny him his due, denigrate, isolate, and ignore him.
No.157713
>>157704I think it's amazing how people with various personality disorders, regardless of their age, background or nationality, say the same things word to word or almost word to word. Over and over again. If there was ever a proof that psychology is valid, it's the behavior and words of the very people who try to attack it.
NPD is real. Defensive mechanisms are real. Psychopathy or psychopathic personality traits are real too. Some terms need refinement, some definitions need to be further polished, but overall the science of psychology steadily goes in the right direction.
No.157728
It's true though. Gravity isn't real. For years I have said this.
Tides cannot be caused by gravity if the earth is bigger than the moon which it is.
Also induced drag isn't real.
Also dragons and flying cats existed but they made there nests in mountains so when they died they didn't fossilise.
No.157731
>>157706> There is knowing and there is proving. I don't need to prove some things beyond all doubt when it's easy enough to see from simply paying minimal attention and having some common sense that things aren't what they seem to be. The same methodology applied to your posts suggests a consistent NPD action pattern, written out line by line like a language model fed with NPD syndrome description as input.
The pattern is clear. I *know* it.
No.157744
>>157631The case of Japan is just a normal example of how relaxed selection pressures within island environments can lead to unique adaptations. You don't need outside forces to have people who exploit others, it's an effective strategy that has to be suppressed internally.
No.157747
>>157728>Tides cannot be caused by gravity if the earth is bigger than the moon which it is.that's a misunderstanding, objects with less mass can still affect larger ones, like how stars slightly move due to the planets orbiting them
you can see some animations and an explanation here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter_(astronomy)it's actually one of the methods people have used to find exoplanets, through the stellar wobble they cause
No.157748
>>157744The Japanese actually work less than the Americans do.
No.157749
>>157748Good, I hate Americans.
No.157750
>>157747Obviously big Gravity has gotten to you too.
If you fall 30 cm will you drop 8cm then go backup 2cm then drop 8 cm then go back up 8cm and so forth? No you go straight down. There is no wobble.
Also on the subject of aerospace and such. Go and look up the companies involved on this mass campaign of lies. Boeing is literally working hand in hand with the government and NASA is literally a government agency. Not only that but they both get billions of dollars in grants from the government, grants they only get because of the lies they spread about gravity and induced drag.
No.157751
>>157750>There is no wobble.yeah because the mass of the earth is unthinkably greater than anything on its surface and thus the biggest force by far is always pulling you straight towards its center
No.157753
>>157751Aha! Then why does it cause tides? Both myself and sea are in the same position relative to the earth and the moon.
Check mate.
No.157754
>>157753that's because the ginormous mass of water that is the seas can shift around the globe way more easily than anything solid, because of fluid dynamics n shieet
that's also why lakes don't have tides, not even the great lakes
and tides are visibly affected by the distance between the earth and the moon
No.157756
>>157754It's not one ginourmous mass of water. There are 5 oceans and according to Google there are about 50 bodies of water that can be classified as seas.
No.157757
>>157756>It's notit is, 97% of all water on earth, all connected
the only sea i know of that isn't connected to it is the caspian sea, and due to that it doesn't have tides either
No.157758
>>157757I thought you would say that. You fell into yet another one of my traps.
For you see, water is a fluid. But also as far as physics is concerned the air is a fluid. But also at times the soil can act as a fluid.
So do you know what that means? It means that all the soil on earth is one sea and so it should have tides like the seas do. But it doesn't. Also allowed air is one sea. And it doesn't have tides either.
No.157760
>>157759Sigh...
I give up. There is no reasoning with some people
No.157761
>>157760says the guy who doesn't believe in gravity..........
No.157762
America was never a high-trust society. It was always a cutthroat hellhole.
Goes to show how /pol/yps are all hopped up on post-WW2 propaganda and commercials.
>>157744>You don't need outside forces to have people who exploit others, it's an effective strategy that has to be suppressed internally.Japan’s case is worse because the suppression is impossible if it’s socially costly. A lot of times it’s only possible with direct confrontation and acknowledgement, which is impossible if you want to uphold social harmony which seems to be less a Japan thing and more general to East Asia.
You cannot remove a stone from water without making ripples.
No.157764
>>157762"suppressed internally" meant that every person needs to suppress the desire to take advantage of the opportunity when it arises. So in other words, to cooperate beyond what is immediately beneficial to the individual.
This is a typical case of prisoners dilemma. Google it.
No.157767
>>157764I meant that even without external groups taking advantage of Japan there will be Japanese who will take advantage of other Japanese people. So it has to be suppressed internally, within the population.
No.157772
>>157770
East Asians have their own cults to worry about.
No.157777
>>157690This is a really cool line.
No.157778
This has turned into a mess of really spiteful and mean-spirited accusations for no real reason.
>>157389Thinking about it patiently and having someone who's themselves patient enough to work with you can't be underestimated. Learning how to deal with disagreements as well, if that's something you care about, is also incredibly important for friendship, I've dealt with too many whose first reaction to being hurt is to try to hurt the other as much as possible. It makes any reconciliation impossible, since even the willingness to retaliate first rather than understand makes the idea of someone
not doing that the unexpected. Learning how to tell if something isn't working is a skill. It really isn't something adults can't learn but it is something that can be too much effort to involve yourself with.
No.157784
>>157783man she has big tits
No.157785
>>157784autism is stored in the boobs
No.157786
>>157783>wom*nskipped
I only watch hot homos
No.157787
that means hasan btw
No.157789
>>157788He is undeniably conventionally attractive. The only thing that throws it off is his glasses.
No.157793
>>157790as
>>157687 said, this is the fault of retarded gays (me)
No.157795
Looks like big aerospace found out about the thread and are shutting it down. But the truth will win eventually.
No.157797
>>157790This is because Kissu has become a low trust board.
No.157799
>>157797around
pissus never relax
No.157800
>>157799that's the face i make when having fun with my friends
No.157802
hasan nigger
No.157803
>>157800he's just like me frfr no cap baka senpai
No.157807
The weirdest part for me was the guy going back and forth between "psychology isn't real science" and "you don't need to be able prove everything empirically to understand what's happening in front of you. For the record, the latter is correct, but that's not exactly a controversial view within the scientific community.
No.157811
>>157810You've never made me feel good though.
No.157815
>>157807Like Vaknin said, one of the major differences between a psychopath and narcissist is self awareness. A psychopath has no aliegence to the truth, and can say all kinda contradictory things to win an argument in the moment, or control the flow of discussion. Knowing very well it's bullshit.
But a narc believes his own lies, no matter how contradictory they are. These lies don't serve any tangible purpose like "win the debate" or "trick someone", rather their purpose is narc's emotional self regulation. He needs to lie and he needs to have external objects (other people) acknowledge these lies because his own faith isn't enough to sustain them.
That's why a narc will always grovel before a psychopath, just as erika was groveling before bern.
No.157823
>>157820listen okay YOU don't get to question my gender first of all and second you're only saying this because you're a
pissis, you need to realign your chakras because it's obvious your self worth gets out of whack whenever mercury is in retrograde take your meds
No.157851
>>157849what the flip is a jihabter the only result that comes up is a random reddit post
No.157852
>>157851A hamster jihadist.
No.157855
>>157783Annoying bitch who sucks is a good psychiatric label, and satan is personally bringing these people(demons) into earth.
No.157884
>>157598Besides, this isn't opposing my point.
People might help out or default curiosity, amusement, and the fact that a stranger asking directions breaks the boring life routine.
If the helpful person feels like it, nothing prevents them from, the second I turn my back to them - hopping onto me, slicing my throat open, raking my eyes, stomping on my head, emptying out my pockets - all due to exactly the same motivations framework that made them give genuine help seconds before.
No.157897
>>157884That's so true.
Just yesterday. I was sitting in a Cafe having just ordered a coffee and a piece of cheese cake.
The waiter comes over and serves them to me but unfortunately at that time the old woman at the table nearby got up to leave. And wouldn't you know it? Just my luck the waiter foolish let her walk behind him and naturally of course she couldn't help herself and so she slit his throat and there is blood everywhere. My clothes are a mess. My coffe is all over the floor and my new York cheese cake is now a new York blood cake.
The other patrons look over but they just roll their eyes and go back to what they are doing. And worst of all, I can't even get a refund because the waiter is dead.
No.157929
>>157897Average real place where there isn't fearsome law & order
No.157931
>>157897Living in aboriginal country is rough, man.
No.158206
>>157810This is not a nice image.............