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 No.154288

Recently, I was struck by an idea: which would last longer: the CJK writing systems (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) or the Phillip's head screw.

I think it's an interesting question because Japanese, and Chinese especially, are ideographic not phonological. In Chinese's case, the issue is so severe they had to adopt the Latin alphabet as an alternative spelling method to convey pronunciation (Pinyin). Japanese at least has Hiragana and Katakana which can be used to show how Kanji are pronounced in the form of furigana, but it doesn't solve the issue of rote memorization being a necessity. Korean has eliminated the issue altogether by adopting a new writing system, Hangul, which is purely phonological, much in the same way the Latin alphabet is, but closer to the syllabary of Hiragana/Katakana in that it is more syllabic.

It's not unthinkable to imagine that Chinese and Japanese as they currently exist in their written form and be entirely reformed into an alphabetical, phonological writing system.

On the other hand, there's the case of the simple Phillip's head screw. Much derided for constantly stripping, but nonetheless ubiquitous with no clear sign of any impending replacement or competitors in equivalent usage.

So, this begs the question: which would last longer?

Can /qa/ think of any other examples? I think another interesting example might be the x86 instruction set vs. IPv4.

 No.154289

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I think with Japanese as it's written currently, it will probably have more staying power. Especially since I don't think most people handwrite anything anymore which makes it easier to eliminate any of the inefficiency of the system. In fact I'd say that with kanji it creates a bit of a benefit to Japanese for those who do know it since when it comes to expressing yourself or finding a word there's plenty of ways to convey an idea that kanji will more easily serve as a means to.

 No.154342

Chinese and therefore Kanji is one of the oldest alphabets in existence and there doesn't seem to be any movement to change it.

Kanji is usefull because of how it abbreviates words and ideas amd because of how it breaks up sentences(as Japanese doesn't use spaces like we do).

 No.154357

phillips hate is marketing and memes. people hate they can't get their own special patented screw making them licensing money and people buying their new tools. you have to think in terms of cost, energy, and time and then you'll see phillips head is doing exactly what it's suppose to do. we don't need to reinvent the spoon because there's edge cases where it doesn't work great. even bolts can strip and cause issues like phillips heads screws. special screws are more about stopping people from opening stuff rather than some actual gain in terms of time, energy, and money.

chinese will outlast phillips though. chinese aren't universalist trying to destroy their history to appeal to the lowest common denominator 76 iq's. it's a filter and it's a good thing it's a filter. you need to come up with ideas about how it's detrimental, but the issue is china historically has always been at the top whereas english is a flash in the pan by comparison. when you point at the fruits of english's multicutluralism and sharing a language with pajeets/making it more accessible to pajeets you make a case of why it's important to keep it not get rid of it. anyway, it's just not happening. they're not tossing away their historical legacy so pajeets can raid their internet more easily. even though chatgpt lowers the bar it's stil enough to filter 99% of them which is a positive thing.

 No.154542

>>154357
Hexagon socket already suplexed Philip's striphead.

 No.154543

I think CJK will last much more.

Runes are integral to the culture of Japan and China, not only would the cost in replacing would be unthinkable, they also don't want to leave it behind. It's a massively important pillar of their identity and society. Take Egypt, where even though they were subjugated by the Romans and had for a long time a Greek ruling class, with both languages being common currency, and with the common usage of simplified scripts (Demotic), proper traditional hieroglyphs were nonetheless maintained alive and considered to be important up until the collapse of antiquity. The Chinks and Japs don't have any of those problems and have found ways to massify what are the most complex scripts in history, after considering and ultimately discarding proposals to dump them. The logistical problems for keeping them has shrunk, but replacing them would mean severing their tie with the history that they are deeply invested in and generate a shitload of problems.
On the other hand, all of humanity could leave behind the philips screw tomorrow and it really wouldn't be much of an issue. It's only the head that is affected, and distributing tools to match the new standard would be fairly simple, as there are already tons of alternatives to choose from. Now, the x86 instruction set... that might outlast IPv4, considering that so much stuff relies on it and that we currently are transitioning towards IPv6, which providers nowadays force you to use when giving you a new IP.

 No.154546

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>>154542
Stop buying chinesium screws from harbor freight.
Get better form when driving the screw.
Use the right screw for the job.
With the advice above you too can get better at screwing and stop being a dirty stripper!

 No.154548

i want anonymous to continue being a dirty stripper! he's bad at it and it's erokawaii!

 No.154551

I mean one aspect of both systems which I think us Westerners can easily forget or downplay is how the kanji/characters allow their languages to have double meanings for everything, the meaning of the words and the meaning of the characters themselves.
That's why Japanese humor is so full of puns.
And how "Chinese" can serve as a written language to dozens of mutually-unintelligible spoken tongues.
I wouldn't doubt if a better system could come along but alphabets are the end-all-be-all of language.
Frankly I see a significant reform to the Latin alphabet being undertaken in at least one major Western country coming before any abandonment of characters in Chinese or Japanese.

 No.154552

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>>154546
Thanks for listing the reasons why Philip's sucks, one can always rely on Philip's fans for such knowledge!
If you want to be delicate and anxious instead of doing your job - get a girlfriend!

 No.154553

>>154551
>but alphabets are
*aren't
damn it

 No.154556

>>154551
In a sense, yes, every dimension added to language, as obtuse as it may be, also expands your possibilities for wordplay, so that I agree with. However,
>And how "Chinese" can serve as a written language to dozens of mutually-unintelligible spoken tongues.
Written vernacular Chinese is based on Mandarin, and taught even to people who speak entirely different languages. If you look at Cantonese writing, you can see they have to use some fairly unsightly runes for basic stuff, like 嘅, 啲, or 嘢. Utterly hideous and some of the most unwieldy shit I've seen in my entire life, yet it happens a lot for all forms of Chinese that depart from Mandarin. It also gets screwy when it comes to simplifications touching the phonetic aspect of compositions, because each variety has its own story of phonetic shifts and so correspondences are different. Meanwhile, a phonetic system uses exponentially less units for a wider range of phonetic combinations with more accuracy and flexibility, which is why the vast majority of humanity for the last few thousand years has preferred those. Very few ever reach the level of terribleness associated with English, and the conditions leading up to it would've fucked up any system imaginable.

 No.154557

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>>154552
How 'bout strip out your holes?




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