No.146773
>>146767>Have you ever taken a test by a psychologist?Nope, and I don't want to because I don't see it having any positive impact on my life
If it's high it'll only just feed my ego and if it's medium/low it's like having empirical evidence for my own insecurities
You're better off not knowing I feel
No.146775
>>146773You should have an intuition of your intelligence, no? It isn't hard to estimate, unless you have a delusion.
No.146776
>>146767>>146773This anon's probably right.
I took a professionally-adminis
tered one when I was like 10.
It just gave me an even bigger head than I already had.
No.146778
>>146775I would imagine it's above average due to all of my siblings (well the ones that have taken the test anyway) scoring above average, but I do not need/want to confirm this like I said
No.146785
>>146780WHAT THE HELL?! SEVENTY FIVE MP!?!
No.146786
>>146779Online tests aren't super accurate.
No.146787
I don't know and I don't care. It wouldn't matter if I was a super-duper genius because all I want to do is take it easy.
No.146789
https://www.mensa.org/mensa-iq-challenge/#testI scored 128 with this and it said it's accurate to ~5 points of what people get on a real test which means my IQ is actually probably more like 133.
No.146790
>>146789online tests are usually 20-30pts too generous
No.146792
>>146790that ESL guy must have an IQ of 55-65 then lol
No.146795
>>146792He's at a disadvantage because its his 2nd language
No.146800
>>146789I'm way too tired to do an IQ test, but I remember mine being like 105-110 or something a long time ago. I'd probably get like 100 now just because my motivation and focus are gone.
No.146804
>>146767I have, in the context of being tested for learning difficulties at University. The factors which measure working memory and information processing speed on the test I took were in the officially retarded range, which I always find funny to share. All the other measures were at least average.
No.146813
>>146789Scored 125 but quit early because I got bored.
No.146821
In the psychological test I took, I ranked really low on a handful of intelligence types (related to language and memory). However, I find solace in one test that I ranked as a genius. It was a pathfinding type test (make the shortest path that connects all the dots). I think it may be related to having played too many video games.
In my defense, one of the language related tests was "name all the words you can think of that start with a given letter". I was too much of a prude to say all the sex related terms that came to mind, so I couldn't concentrate. For example, I was trying to think of words that begin with "P", but my inner monologue was occupying all my thoughts: "Don't say penis. Penis, penis penis, penis. Is she wondering if I'm thinking about Penises? Do I come off as a prude for not saying penis? Maybe I should say it. No, it's going to be awkward". I say "Potato". I keep thinking about penises while she thinks I'm retarded.
>>146804hello fellow based retard
No.146829
>>146821different anon than who you're replying to, but i think we took the same test. my letter was "e." i dont have any funny stories to share about that. my psychologist was initially testing for the tism, but ruled it out. he also didn't assign me an actual iq number since he thought my mental illness was interfering with the results. but i did score considerably high in longer term memorization.
No.146833
Poor people without health insurance don't see a psychologist unless they're really fucked up.
No.146845
>>146804>in the context of being tested for learning difficulties at UniversityWhat lead to this happening? I failed multiple classes - even the same class multiple times - and was never once offered anything like this.
No.146849
>>146767Only someone with something to prove would fixate on IQ. I wouldn't take it as anything other than a measure of severe learning disabilities (or absence thereof). Beyond that it is pretty useless.
That being said, I had a proper test done in a shrink's office (came in for some other stuff and didn't realize they'd be testing for it).
My impression was that "performance IQ" (AKA nonverbal IQ, which is determined by your answers to those funny boxes in the second picture) and working memory are the real essence of intelligence. Having a high nonverbal IQ is strongly correlated with aptitude in maths and sciences.
As for verbal IQ, someone who reads a few books, owns thesaurus and knows some disparate factoids that span both cultural and scientific fields could score well on the "vocabulary" and "information" subtests respectively, thus bumping up their verbal IQ and bringing up their overall IQ. The "information" subtest amounts to trivia, in most cases - one question asked me to name the author of Sherlock Holmes, another the circumference of the Earth at the equator. As another anon notes, these parts of the tests don't even account for language proficiency.
In other words, many tests factor acquired knowledge (which is contingent on education and cultural background) into their consideration of IQ, which makes them unreliable as a measure of raw intellect.
No.146860
>>146842matthew mark marvin melvin mat memphis moneybagz milkman moonwalker9000
No.146863
I don't need some test to tell me how dumb I am
No.147161
>>146821Hello my fellow brother in retardation. Funnily "verbal reasoning" was my strongest factor, in comparison to you, which I still doubt to this day.
>>146845I'd already been flagged by my high school as having these difficulties, mainly because I could never finish any of my exams. I just never got an official test by and Educational Psychologist (probably because I lived in a rural hick town) until I went to university. I do recall having to request the tests and everything when I started attending, though, I don't think they'd have lifted a finger, otherwise.
It's a good thing, too, never would have made it through high school or uni without the support they gave me for exams.
No.147199
>>146779If the test you took has language at all, it's a bad test. I like the Mensa test which is only shapes. Mensa is stupid don't get me wrong but their test does exactly what IQ tests are supposed to do.
No.147380
>>147378Did you at least get your 300k starting fry cook salary?
No.147384
>>146789Got 142 (again)
An older version of this test used to tell that the test is only accurate within 1 sigma which is 85-115. So any higher score isn't really meaningful other than an indication of above average.
>>146849A large amount of "verbal IQ" includes reading comprehension and logical reasoning which represent the ability to decode the relationship between words and phrases, so these tasks can be completed with only the provided materials and don't require other information (pure trivia knowledge) at all.
For example, LSAT is a standardized test specifically for these skills, which are mandatory for lawyers who want to comprehend long and complex law texts and find and exploit loopholes in them.
No.147385
>>146789How the hell are you guys getting these later puzzles?
I score 105 on this test which is fine but my IQ is 113 to 115 when on a test with other types of questions mixed into puzzle questions
No.147396
>>147392Once you have a fast food job in your resume it will taint your job opportunity forever. Try to find an internship in the financial/HFT industry instead.
No.147409
>>147392>Right now I get just enough for living expenses by TA'ingSame, although my department is cutting out TA work for PHDs due to budget cuts, so I'm a bit fucked next year.
No.147411
>>147396You choose for yourself what you put on your resume.
No.147413
>>147411That would leave a time gap without a job on the resume and it's a red alarm for HRs and no different from putting "NEET" as the job title for that period.
No.147418
Took one as a kid and had 139, probably killed off much of that with video games and anime wwww
No.147624
>>147396>internshipI refuse and even if I was stupid enough to participate in this kind of humiliation ritual I still can't AFFORD to spend all day doing unpaid work because I need MONEY hope this helps
No.147625
>>147624Just use your math phd to trade stocks until you have enough money to retire
No.147632
>>147624All companies worth going into have paid internships since they profit from the intern's labor. Unpaid internship is a scam.
No.147641
>>146767I remember taking one in high school for something. I ended up arguing with the test proctor because she had asked me the symbolic meaning of an object in a fictional story and I told her that even if I give her an answer, fictional stories can be subjective and shouldn't be on the test. Think I ended up scoring a retard score of 88 because of that lmao.
Otherwise I took an online test as an adult once and got 110. I may be stupid regardless.
>>147199>If the test you took has language at all, it's a bad test.Explains that I guess.
No.147756
>>147385A lot of the sequences use logic operators. The most common are
- AND (two lines in the same location = a line in the same location)
- OR (one or more line(s) in the same location = a line in the same location)
- XOR (ONLY ONE line in a location = a line in the same location; two lines in the same location = no line)
The rest are pattern recognition:
- Rotation (Left -> Up -> Right ->
Down)
- Shading (Black -> Lines -> White ->
Black)
A lot of the patterns are basically:
1 | 2 | 3
--+---+--
2 | 3 | 4
--+---+--
3 | 4 |
1Or:
x + y = xy
w + z = wz
a + b = ab
No.147794
>>146779>ESLThat's fine, many smart people weren't good at English
>bad at mathAnon, I...
No.147807
>>146828>however remember that 100 iq is the average and the average can only ever increase so much + more people are being given iq tests these daysDoes that mean that they recalibrate IQ tests over time? If the Flynn effect was real up to a point and then reversed, then a person B 100 IQ in 1980 would be smarter than a person A 100 IQ in 1940, but a person C 100 IQ in 2020 would be dumber than person B?
No.147814
>>146862The puzzles are simpler than they look, you probably just overthought them. I was schizoing out on them at first and got a 82. Then I tried it again with "what would be the easiest answer" in mind and got a 140.
I don't think the test has much value once you realize it's just testing against schizo behavior.
No.148199
>>147807>recalibrateyes, in american psychology papers i think they call it "renormed". whole new versions of tests like the WAIS or WISC are released
>875 school children who were initially diagnosed with LD on the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised (WISC-R), children experienced a significant decline in IQ when retested on the third edition of the WISC (WISC-III) compared to peers who were tested on the WISC-R twice. Furthermore, results from logistic regression analyses revealed that the probability of a rediagnosis of LD on reevaluation significantly decreased, in part, because of this decline on the WISC-III.The Impact of the Flynn Effect on LD Diagnoses in Special Education DOI:10.1177/0022219410392044
>a lengthy and steep 12-year decline in students receiving mental retardation services reversed shortly after the introduction of the WISC-III in 1991Large state-level fluctuations in mental retardation classifications related to introduction of renormed intelligence test 10.1352/0895-8017(2006)111[322
:LSFIMR]2.0.CO;2
>Specifically, when a commonly used IQ test (the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children or WISC) was renormed to account for the Flynn effect, the number of children in the borderline mental retardation range (IQ 66-70) recommended for special school programs due to mild mental retardation tripled during the first five years of the new test compared to an equivalent IQ range during the last five years of the previous test.it's controversial because IQ tests are used to determine whether someone is mentally fit to deserve the death penalty or additional resources for struggling kids
the raw percentile (how many % of people you did better than) is probably a way better indicator than the converted IQ score
https://old.reddit.com/r/AcademicPsychology/comments/7h4ypk/difference_between_wais_iii_and_wais_iv/there's morons on /r/cognitiveTesting who buy the tests to practice and max out their score so...
a lot of is genuinely training yourself to know what to look for, picrel is from a japanese competitive programming website called
https://atcoder.jp (somewhat like leetcode, but far more varied), remember that these tests are designed by humans for humans so they are inherently practicable.. I wouldn't call someone dumb because they didn't realize you had to rotate the things in the box AND look for logic operators that
>>147756 mentioned at the same time, because this is hardly a common pattern in nature...
>(translated) The top Japanese players are not inferior to overseas players in terms of skill. At the 2021 contest of Code Jam, hosted by Google, five out of the 25 finalists were Japanese. The challenge is the slow start. No.148455
>>147396>>14763285% of autistic people with degrees are unemployed... I'm kind of just forcing myself to continue school because once I go into the real world I won't be able to slot in anywhere
No.148596
>>147756Good description
Maybe I am too dumb I was looking for patterns and could not find any in the most complex ones, I wonder what these types of later patterns indicate in thinking ability, like what advantages in thinking someone who can solve them all has.
No.148628
>>146851I can't solve this one.
No.151003
>>150998cute toes even though toe gaps. this image punches above its weight class
No.151004
>>150998>dumb enough that smart people think I'm a bit silly in the head.which smart people are you comparing with?
No.151005
>>146768They are obligated to patient confidentiality unless you are seriously threatening the life of someone else or yourself iirc
No.151007
>>151004Which? Anyone studious and above average can pick me apart. I don't have anyone in mind, it's just not that difficult to find someone smarter than me.
No.151010
I wish I was autistic whenever I see those super obsessive autists skilled at math or chemistry or physics or whatever
Having adhd is like the complete opposite. You aren't interested in most stuff, and you can't focus on something for too long until moving to something else.
No.151026
Did an ADHD test years ago which included IQ. They said I fell in the superior range, but that means nothing for my braindead lifestyle.
Though during the verbal memory/attention section I got an actual retard score while everything else was at least average, like
>>146804. Guess that explains why info goes in one ear and comes out the other.
>>151010Shit sucks. The stims they hand out like candy are really a stopgap in my experience.
No.151213
>>146767I had been an IQ test nut for a while, with all the purism towards the approaches to test IQ online. Some timed test that correlates with IRL tests the most, as per research done on it, gave me a 145 IQ score, but I had already known the typical patterns styles of pattern type questions, and I was lucky it had language questions, because linguistics and dictionary lurking are a bit of a hobby to me. In reality, mine fluctuates as 100+-45 IQ point midwittism. I think I'd do well even if I stood at 55 IQ; intelligence never was my selling point and is not what saves me when things go to hell. The more you deviate over the average, the harder you actually underperform under any pressure, it correlates with how much you're full of yourself. It's only a question of whether you are in charge of being the retard, or if it's the retardation being in charge of you.
My parents were disappointed in me when they threw university books at the middle schooler me and I didn't end up being a young genius understanding everything out of the overly complex dry reads, I had learning difficulties up until the middle of my second degree until I learned how to learn
during an argument on some imageboard, I had to put in tremendous effort of inefficient struggle-learning to stay above average in grades, everyone who tried to teach me were offended and disappointed when I didn't get their explanations and I had to lie that I understood it, and my IQ was at 113 when I was a teen — way less than the girl's who had suggested I take a test, which contributed to that self-confidence had been an utterly unreliable thing for me.
I hate how IQ talks often are ugly hollow humblebrag talks or are neurotic tip-toeing around that, so have a chaotic blog post instead.
Also I want to hug everyone in this thread.
>>151067I had been focused on my brain function in my lifestyle, and, while I can learn and understand things faster, I also tend to unlearn them faster and often find myself having to reinvent my understanding for the topics I abandon for a while. I'm a rat in a running wheel in a cage within a room that's slowly being flooded. Tap-tap-tap-tap-tap.
No.151950
>>146767Supposedly I'm in the 112-115 range. I have good memory and pattern recognition but my math skills are abysmal.
No.152908
>>146851I say A because it's the only response with diagonal lines, and having A as the answer would produce a sequence where the top row has only a single square with diagonal lines, the middle row has 2 and the bottom row has 3.
The small number of responses to this says most people couldn't solve it. If this is you, don't feel bad. This response took me several minutes to come up with, and if I was being timed, I'd most likely skip it initially and come back to it after finishing the easier questions. I also sometimes disagree with the official answer to matrix reasoning and verbal questions.
I've been officially tested and scored 155 on the WAIS, but that was many years ago and I've done a lot of drugs and experienced a lot of trauma since then. I was tested several times before that, each of them a few years apart, and my score kept going up. But fat lot of good it's done me; I'm now a NEET in my 30s who's just waiting for this feminist shithole society to finally collapse. No society has ever screwed its men over harder than this, especially maidenless men and STEM types.
>>146790This is a meme from like 20 years ago. Online IQ tests have gotten better. Talking about inaccurate online IQ tests is like claiming China is technologically behind America.
No.153006
>>147814I was actually just speeding through the test selecting random answers to see what I'd get.
No.153059
I got exactly 100 points which sounds about right.
I am totally remarkable and unnoticeable in any way, any field, any hobby, etc.
No.153077
I never took an IQ test but I took an aptitute test for my countries army. I got in the top 20%. It actually hurt my application as the interviewer said I should have been getting straight As in school rather than Cs and Bs.
But the thing about these tests is that they can be trained for.
No.153081
>>146767I've been sent to a therapist some years ago and had to take an IQ both in middle school and high school because my grades sucked so much that they suspected a learning disability and also I was acting weird and couldn't make friends.
I scored higher than 120 both times (I forgot the exact number), so they thought I might have ADHD or sth but in retrospect, I was really just in a constant state of stress because of abuse stuff and just didn't have it in me to pay attention at school when I was just dissociating 24/7.
Real IQ tests are kinda tedious and take forever. They time you and make you solve one puzzle after another, ask you about maths stuff, logic puzzles and to say strings of numbers backwards etc. etc. I liked the picture puzzles though because I just like visual puzzles.
I've heard you can improve your IQ score if you practise for it. I personally think IQ is kinda overrated though.
After my living standards improved, I went into higher education and I could get away with minimal studying to pass exams, but I still struggle to hand in essays on time and stuff. I think not struggling with executive functions and having some discipline already puts you ahead of the curve, regardless of how quick you learn new things. I know people who took way longer than me to pick up on some subjects and they still did way better than me in like, every aspect of life.
>>146779Lol I did well with the logic questions but I also sucked at the basic maths stuff, that section was my worst subject in both tests. I only got a high score because I did well in everything else. I really only got better at maths after school. You could try that too if you're interested, you might turn out to not be as bad at it as you think you are. I think the subject is a lot easier to pick up outside of a rigid classroom environment that's full of noise, distractions and misleading discussions.
>>150998>Personality and social class are more important in terms of how successful someone is.As someone with a personality disorder, I wholly agree. I'm too afraid of people to form solid relationships. I don't think I'd have gotten into higher education at all if I was in a lower social class.
>smart enough for normal people to consider me smart but dumb enough that smart people think I'm a bit silly in the headI'm pretty sure everyone thinks I'm silly in the head but maybe I'm just being self-conscious. I'd gladly exchange my extra IQ points for being functional...
No.153085
>>153003You've broken down IQ tests to their bare essentials
No.153086
>>146767Yes, i scored 92 and also was diagnosed as autistic. Also i learned that these online test were very inaccurate as i normally scored in those things like 120.
>>146773This.
That low score made me felt even more subhuman and depressed than before, just remembering it i feel the urges to jump from the highest building.
No.153093
I got I think it was 135 on an online test when I was 16 and I decided that I never wanted to take another IQ test again.
I can only learn quickly. I have very poor work ethic because I've just coasted through my life on that and know how to cheat the system using whatever I have available.
That's all it is, I have a much faster acceleration at tasks than other people I know. But I'm just some borderline NEET programmer and my brother is part of the medical field with a happy family.
These tests don't matter
No.153095
>>153086>That low score made me felt even more subhumanThis is how I felt about grades in school.
Doing well with IQ stuff gave me a bit of an ego boost, but not nearly enough to make up for my deep-seated anxieties of secretly being incapable and worthless and still too stupid somehow. I was actually not that happy about my good score either because I thought it should've been even higher since I had nothing else that's worthwhile about me so I needed to cling to every sign of worth I could find to make up for my vast shortcomings (that's how I felt at the time anyway, I just felt like I was garbage because that's how I was treated).
An actually bad IQ score would've confirmed my fears and been worse for my mental well being.
Scoring my intelligence also did not help me with my need to realise that human worth shouldn't be based on numbers on a sheet of paper. It took me time to realise that my problem wasn't really a lack of smarts and skills but really my poor mental health including a personality disorder that my therapist never even mentioned to me as he quietly diagnosed me with it. I feel a lot better about myself nowadays, but that has everything to do with the kind people around me and nothing to do with any score numbers.
>scored 92Did your therapist do anything useful with that information? Because damn, that must've hurt. I hope you don't feel so bad about it anymore... IQ testing sucks anyway and is way overvalued, I know someone with a low IQ and he's super cool
No.153101
>>153095>Did your therapist do anything useful with that information?No, i even dare to say that she did not anything useful really, i just went to play some puzzles or things like that while she hoped i eventually would open myself, i believe that she didn't have much experience with spergs like me.
Now, 5 years later, i have a more competent therapist and that topic would come soon or later, i can't really say that i make any peace with it or with any of my problems at all, i just get used to it.
No.153121
>>153101>nothing useful came of it>therapist had no experienceI'm not surprised at all. The IQ tests I took were kinda useless and I suspected that if I'd scored low, they would've been just as useless and make me feel bad while they were at it.
The therapist that did them really seemed to like just making me tick boxes without any of that contributing to what really mattered in the end.
I think IQ is only useful if there are actual accommodations that go with a score. And like, actual accommodations and support. The last time I opened up to an authority figure about my issues (something that they asked everyone about with kuso mock concern that I fell for), they used it against me and claimed that some things are surely too difficult for me when they really weren't. It just distorted their perception of me and had them evaluate me much worse rather than offering any sort of leniency.
Certain accommodations would be good for everyone, so I'd rather people just offer them for anyone who wants them or be open about not providing any instead of making people pointlessly jump through hoops just to discriminate against them.
>more competent therapistNice, I'm happy for you!
>haven't made peace with any problems, just got used to themI feel that... Still, sorry to hear that. I hope things will get better for you too
No.153124
>>146851>>152908Googling the image gave me an inkling that it's a complete troll problem and I'm quite likely to believe this to be the case after spending . There's too many variables and not enough information to stake out any clear patterns. In fact I'd wager to guess that whoever made the image was quite sophisticated because I can't find a single pattern that'd hold consistent.
No.153125
>>153124>Googling the image gave me an inkling that it's a complete troll problem and I'm quite likely to believe this to be the case after spending . There'sCUTE kissuer embarrassed to share how much time he spent on it
No.153128
>>146851I think the answer might be A or C but I'm not sure.
Middle row circle bottom left is there, disappears then reappears as black.
In reverse, the black dot in the bottom left row is there, then disappears then might reappear as a circle.
So that points towards either A or C being the answer. Sure, in the first row, the black dot disappears too, but it reappears in a different spot, so I don't think it's B.
The dot in the middle is there, then disappears twice before going from appear-disappear in a repeating pattern if you go from left to right top down. If you go top down and then left to right, it's there twice before disappearing, then disappears twice before reappearing. So the last pattern would probably shake things up and have no dot there, but I'm really not sure about this.
The box has either a long V or long lines that align with the sides of the box. Given that the pattern for that from left to right is align-align-V then V-V-align It could be another V-V-align so that every row has two Vs and one aligning line or two aligning line and one V.
I think an argument can be made for A in that case too though, since the V patterns point clockwise from left to right and there's repetition there too.
What really confused me was the circle in the top right. There's no pattern in which a circle stays in one place three times in a row so I thought it'd have to disappear in the last pattern but it doesn't? But the only other box that has three circles and a box to its right is the one in the middle left box and that one has a circle at the top that stays there when you look at the box right next to it, so I guess that's part of the pattern.
So yeah, I think it's either A or C. If that was on a test, I'd just guess between the two.
Very weak and inconclusive evidence tells me to pick C but my gut feel says A, so in a real test with time pressure, I'd have picked A and moved on to the next pattern tbh. Depending on the test there might not be enough time to solve them all anyway...
So, which one was the answer, anon?
There's no way it'd be B, right? If it turned out that I was that wrong about it...
No.153919
Did the test twice because no matter what I did it wouldn't submit the first time to let me see how I scored and now no matter how long I take on 33 and 35 it gives me 145+.... Guess my measurement is fucked but probably can try and work out those in this thread.
35 I'm pretty sure from the diagonals have a downwards triangle and sides, so it has to be either B, D, or E. It's probably not B because it doesn't fall on the two horizontal line diagonal and looking at the pattern in another way it doesn't fall on singular top line diagonal. But there's no rule about each or horizontal pattern appearing only once per given the answer choices left of D or E because any choice would contradict that rule. So probably sticking to diagonals is the best bet, and doing so tells me this is neither on a single top line pattern or a double horizontal line pattern and so I lean towards D.
>>153128It doesn't have any repeating patterns, any rule you can make is broken.
No.154060
>>153920The only thing I can think of for this is that you're supposed to first count up the total number of triangles pointing each way and equalize them, since none of the row or column-based patterns I first looked for panned out. There are 9 triangles pointing up-left and 11 pointing down-right, so having 2 triangles pointing up-left would make them equal. This eliminates 2 answer choices, but there's still the matter of the striped triangles versus the clear triangles. Picking choices C (16 striped, 6 clear) or D (14 striped, 8 clear) yields an even number of both and also satisfies the first condition.
And now we get into the really retarded part of my reasoning, which is that C and D both rhyme with the question number 33; B and E do as well, but don't satisfy the above conditions. But C is the third letter of the alphabet and the question is number 33, so I pick C based on this with a hearty fuck you to the faggot who came up with this shit. If I had this question on a real IQ test I'd probably bitchslap the examiner and steal their wallet.
>>153919I tried this too but was unable to even make an attempt at a solution.
No.154063
>>153920It's hard to know if I'm even right but it's probably
E. Maybe the grader would give me partial marks because there's a stronger reasoning.
Because there's a pattern of 4 grey, then 5 grey then the last one would be 6 grey.
Then there's also the case of how up arrows could be seen as +1 and down arrows as -1, so in the first column the net is -2, then in the second the net is also -2, so then I would assume that the net of the 3rd would also have to be -2. And just by that reasoning the only thing that first is E.