Windows 10, upgraded from Windows 7 two years ago (I would still be on Win7 if it wasn't for steam being chromium based slop)
I will say I do like Win10 though, it's basically just an upgraded version of Win7.

>>6458
>I will say I do like Win10 though, it's basically just an upgraded version of Win7
naruhodo

>>6459
my only kvetch is that I'm too retarded to know how to turn off the telementry bullshit that it does sometimes.
Like I have task manager open so I just close the process.

>>6460
Telemetry even after you unchecked the telemetry options when installing Windows? Because I know they give you an option to disable it when you install Windows, but don't know if there's any option post-install.
I would help you, but after years of using Linux in my disdain for Windows, I have forgotten most of everything about Windows...
Had to use Windows for a recent project and was completely lost as to how the settings even worked.

I'm enjoying the last bit of Windows I can before I'm forced onto Linux come October.

I'm in the middle of preparing a dual boot for the first time right now, gonna upgrade to windows 11 first I guess so it doesn't fuck up linux boot afterward. Was thinking of doing a clean install of 11 since I already used the upgrade from 7 to 10 and am starting to wonder how rickety my current system might be getting.
The idiot-proof(?) atomic distros for linux that can easily roll back updates look neat so I wanna try one. Was thinking Bazzite or otherwise a different KDE one.

Window 10 as a daily driver, though I'm not sure yet if I will stick to it once I have enough money for a new system. I absolutely need to work with Adobe software and can't afford to spend too much time on getting used to a new ecosystem and workflow. I don't like the idea of having to dual-boot just to have access to the suite.
Can a Linuxkissuer tell me if it's possible to use regular Windows software like that on Linux without putting any additional unnecessary stress on the system through things like a VM?

Windows 11 sucks but I'm too dumb to use Linux.

>>6457
I've been involuntarily using Windows 11 after my laptop was forcibly upgraded from Windows 10. I've been meaning to try out Linux Mint for a while now, but I've been putting it off due to a combination of business and laziness. I can just boot it from a USB stick, right? Will I still able to access my files and programs on my other drives?

>>6462
I feel like the Windows 10 support lasted a lot shorter than Win7...
>>6463
>I'm in the middle of preparing a dual boot for the first time right now
Nice! Hope you have fun!

>>6466
>I can just boot it from a USB stick, right?
Yeah.
>Will I still be able to access my files and programs on my other drives?
I think you can, but it's not very straight forward. The filesystem for the two OSs is different: Linux is ext4 while Windows is NTFS. I think you can mount NTFS drives on a Linux if you install the support for it, but not sure how reliable it is.
>>6464
>Can a Linuxkissuer tell me if it's possible to use regular Windows software like that on Linux without putting any additional unnecessary stress on the system through things like a VM?
There's Wine, but couldn't tell you how good it works with the Adobe suite. Looking at the WineDB entry for Photoshop (what I assume are) 20xx releases, the support doesn't seem very good.
Having to use Windows only program sucks. It's like you're stuck in an abusive relationship. Everything else is shit, but you can't leave because you need the software.
>>6465
>too dumb to use Linux
I wouldn't say anyone is too dumb for Linux, it's pretty simple once you get the hang of it. Everyone is just accustomed to Windows. But yeah, you'd have to be willing to spend some time getting used to it if you do want to switch to it. Still, worth it if you don't have any reason to stick to Windows. Ever since I switched to Linux, I'm frustrated every time I try to use Windows.

>Daily
Android...

I am using Windows, because I am not unemployed.
I might set up a laptop with some linux shit, it looks vaguely fun, but also it might just be more work.

>>6469
Should I count that as Linux?

>>6464
>I'm not sure yet if I will stick to it once I have enough money for a new system.
If you're planning to get a new system for Linux, and if you Windows PC is adequate enough for gaming and other resource extensive stuff, you can get by with some cheap second hand stuff for linux. And I mean cheap. I'm currently daily driving with an old xeon chip off of 5400RPM HDDs and I couldn't ask for more. Well I could but that would be for gaming on Windows... Other than the slowness of having to load programs from an HDD, the experience is very smooth.

Chrome

Too many W*ndows users... I've been daily driving Linux in one form or another since 2018, settled with Arch in 2020. Dived head first into Linux not knowing a single thing about it but I survived. The only time I've had problems with Arch breaking was after an update that broke X11 somehow, but I fixed it downgrading one package. It's mostly foolproof if you know how to follow instructions from the wiki.

Still using Windows 7 since 2009, but will probably be forced to upgrade to Winblows 11 sooner than later. I tried Linux once when I had to recover a dying HDD and it's definitely not for me.

Distros I have used:
Linux Mint - too boring. It's like I'm Linuxoiding wrong.
Raspberry Pi OS - it's Raspberry Pi OS, what else there is to be said?
Gentoo - it's all fun and games right until you try to use it for serious business. Not for my workflow.
Ubuntu - all about srs bzns, but it's God-forsaken abhorrence.
Kubuntu - in theory and practice, it's closest to perfection for me, at least as far as my experience goes. Sadly, its development has been degrading for the worse.

I should also try Xubuntu and Lubuntu sometime. I just want Ubuntu's compatibility with the experimental stuff I mess around with, but GNOME and optimization towards GNOME give me same kind of nausea I had when I heard how Cortana greets you through speakers after Windows 11 is installed. I don't care about distros that can't satisfy these conditions for me.

no option for temple OS?

I use W10 LTSC on my desktop, macOS on my work laptop, FreeBSD on my home server, and Debian and OpenBSD on some VPSs.
I like them all about the same for the jobs they do.

Just switched my laptop to Ubuntu after Windows shit itself. My desktop is still running Windows 10 but if I like Linux enough (and my games work) I might switch it too.

>>6457
I dual-boot Windows 7 and Windows 10 LTSC, the former I use for retro and non-steam gaming and the latter is more of my daily driver OS.

I've tried Ubuntu and 20.04 was great but then 22.04 was terrible. If I ever decide to dabble in linux again I'll probably go for either Debian or Mint instead.

xubuntu

>>6464
one possibility is to use Windows as your main host OS and a Linux VM

I have windows because I must game

I just keep it basic with Windows as I'm not a programmer guy and I just want to do stuff. I tend to stick with the version past its "support" and might actually still be using 7 if local AI didn't require 10 or above. I lucked out there since my motherboard (or was it cpu) was doing its artificial rejection thing when I tried to install 7 a few years ago.
I'll probably be on 10 for at least another 3 years unless they restrict some amazing new technology to 11, which doesn't seem to be on the horizon.

Windows because I'm not a NEET

>>6460
https://github.com/undergroundwires/privacy.sexy
I haven't used this, but it's what the cool kids use these days.

I use Linux Mint and have been for the last 10 years. O don't remember the impetus for switching away from Windows 7 or 8.1 or w/e it was, but I asked a classmate from uni after I started wanting to switch away and it's what he recommended for Linux newbies. I liked it enough to keep using it by default. Right meow I use Linux Mint Debian Edition to be a contrarian, and it's on version 4 because I never update my shit. Also because all the random tinkering I did broke Python and broke other stuff and the auto-updater to LMDE 5 doesn't run anymore.

I used Linux for years but grown to actually dislike it. So last year I switched to Windows.

Win 11 because I have a job and need Photoshop and since I'm already here might as well do all my gaymin without having to jump through hoops.

Debian for my server and Mint Debian Edition for my casual use laptop because it's prettier and needs less set up than plain Debian.

>>6483
There is no reason to do this. Nobody migrates to Linux (on desktop) because there's something on Linux they absolutely must have and can't get anywhere else, they do it because they don't need any of the Windows-exclusive software and thus can escape all the Microsoft bullshit. You might have a Windows VM for that one application you can't get away from, but doing things the other way around is a ton of hassle for no gain.

i use debian myself desu
recently i installed linux mint on my mum's laptop and she loves it, much faster and easier for her to navigate than windows 10 ever was

all she does is browse facebook, and yet it struggled to even do that...

>>6504
Surprise boxes are mean.

>>6496
Interesting. I have never heard of someone disliking Linux and switching to Windows. What made you switch? In either of the OSs.

>>6505
Do not open <==3

Been using linux for years, likely getting near a decade now. Ultimately settled on Debian after messing around with Arch for a good bit. I am increasingly becoming of the opinion that Debian is in fact perfect (for my needs), and that I may never need another OS in my life.

>>6503
>Nobody migrates to Linux (on desktop) because there's something on Linux they absolutely must have and can't get anywhere else
That's me.

>>6503
- Having a linux VM allows you to try linux without committing to a dual boot. It allows you to familiarize yourself with desktop environments and the applications they're made for -- for instance, using a distro that uses KDE lets you quickly try out preinstalled apps like Kolourpaint, Krita, and Dolphin (file manager).
- You can do dumb things in a Linux VM that are easy to revert, like playing around and bricking your install by deleting important folders. You can quickly reinstall, to test a set of commands to do something and see if it works on a fresh install.
- Before WSL, I'd use a linux VM to compile with gcc and practice using bash.
I know I sound like chatGPT... Anyway, this isn't a big issue, there's not much at stake. Anyone can easily make or delete a VM.

>>6510
These are all temporary things that aren't really exclusive to Linux anyway. Fucking around with an OS is just a VM benefit, not a reason to specifically establish a Windows+LinuxVM setup.

Use switches to toggle between laptops running different OS.

VMs are a major inconvenience. If you've got an extra computer you can just switch OS easily for no performance penalty by putting your monitor on a HDMI switch

>>6513
Nice setup.
Is that a laptop keyboard you have under your mac? What is that for?

>>6514
Mint. Server development and everything hasn't been moved off of it to either Windows or Mac

Basically the hinges on the laptop broke and I took the monitor out and used it as a keyboard+computer to hook up to the monitor

>>6515
Naruhodo. A headless server.

>>6517
punny

It seems like most imageboards, or at least the ones I look at, have a higher percentage of UNIX-like operating system users especially Linux which is nice.
What were the numbers in the past? I wonder if recent events changed the ratio.

Honestly surprised at how many Windows users there are here. For some reason I thought everyone would be a Linux freak.

>>6506
>What made you switch?
Didn't like Linux CLI
Didn't like any of Linux's options for GUI
Didn't like package management. I would go far to say that it's stupid in a desktop context. It's a glorified app store type experience but even worse because you have to update everything which brings along a good chance of something breaking if you waited too long to update, or it breaks anyway.
Learning to script in bash felt like a necessity which is why I procrastinated on learning it.

>>6586
>Didn't like Linux CLI
I practically never use it. At most I can do apt-get install and apt-get remove or copypaste some ffmpeg command online, but I don't often install or uninstall things. Linux CLI feels about the same to me as it did on Mac and Windows, I type whatever some tutorial tells me to type, but I at least try to think if it makes sense first so I don't brick my system like an idiot told to delete system32 in the old days (it was me, I was this idiot. Thanks internet). I feel more powerful with Linux CLI at least, but I also know more about it from the days when I would set up CentOS webservers for websites that didn't even live a month before I got bored.
>Didn't like any of Linux's options for GUI
This is the most legit argument for the average person (apart from specific software not being available obviously). I don't like Mac's GUI at all. I still suffer with one because it's an alright animebook. Linux has a ton of GUI options, but if you don't like any of the common ones and don't want to make your own GUI I can see why someone would just say fuck it because nobody likes a bad GUI. I don't know if you've tried it, but Cinnamon for me feels pretty close to Windows 7 which is also the last Windows version I actually liked and would've likely never left if it didn't get outdated with newer Windows versions being spyware and full of other aids.
>It's a glorified app store type experience but even worse because you have to update everything
I can pick whatever I want, postpone current or all future updates of whatever I want. Not everything is in my package manager either, sometimes I've just downloaded some random deb or imageapp file and don't run updates on it. I can also do everything with one line of text in CLI if I want, but I don't want to.
The concept is also so stupid that both Mac (everyone uses Brew) and Windows (WinGet is official) are picking it up? It's clearly a good concept and all you need is a GUI people like that makes people think it's not a package manager for some reason. Much better than having a dozen updater executables installed dozens of times running at all times.
>which brings along a good chance of something breaking if you waited too long to update, or it breaks anyway.
My Mint installation is five years old and never broke from an update. I always do a Timeshift backup before a big upgrade just in case though.

There's many package managers, here's the one that comes with Linux Mint whatever version I'm using. Right click to select ignore current or all future updates.

>>6587
I should probably mention I changed the font rendering on my computer so if you hate it it's me, not Mint.

>>6588
>I should probably mention I changed the font rendering on my computer so if you hate it it's me, not Mint.
I did that too but too many websites use fonts that depend on smoothing to be any good and there's also CJK and ultimately I felt much better switching back.

>>6589
I kinda like the crisp kanji I get. I get the thick smooth ones and the thin fountain pen ones in my VNs either way. My main monitor is pretty old so I picked rendering accordingly. I probably wouldn't use this if I had a newer and higher DPI monitor on my desktop. Works for me.

>>6591
Been using linux for 6-7 years now and I still don't know how fonts work... I don't know what I did, but every font in my PC just werks, the browser, GUI, etc, but CLI gives be boxes sometimes.... It works just enough for me to not care about the occasional tofu.

>>6587
I tried Mint and I hated it. Arch + KDE was the "best" combination I tried.
>The concept is also so stupid that both Mac (everyone uses Brew) and Windows (WinGet is official) are picking it up?
I don't know or care about Mac. It is in Unixland so I would assume there is overlap. WinGet is rarely useful when you need something from MS Store but don't have it enabled.
It's such a great idea that there has been flatpak, snaps, appimages, nix and guix to try fixing it.

>>6466
I finally installed Mint on a new SSD and I'm liking it so far, it feels faster than Windows and it's way less bloated too. My only major gripe so far is that Wine doesn't work with everything, and in some cases like Ten Desires there's some weird issues like the game not reading my 1cc save from Windows (I'm running the game from an external hard drive), and the text boxes are a little messed up. None of the previous Touhou games have these issues, and I'm not particularly worried about it in Ten Desires' case since I don't really like that game anyway, but it does make me a little concerned for if TH14 onward are going to have issues like this. If worse comes to worst, I at least still have my Windows installation that I can boot to at any time.

iOS 18

Gentoo Linux with OpenRC, Xfce, and Emacs.

10 LTSC. It gets the job done. My second choice would be Linux Mint, but with only a 1TB drive I can't be assed to dual boot, though I've tried it before.

Windows 10 and endeavourOS since I am lazy as fuck
>>6656
your save is in appdata roaming, I wanna say ZUN changed the save data location with that game onwards, so you have to move that into the same relative location on the wine drive. Also you may need to install additional fonts that wine doesn't have by default.

Going to be switching mine to Linux tomorrow. Should I go with Mint or CavheOS?

>>7387
Seeing as I don't know what CavheOS is, I would recommend Mint as an entry to Linux. Preferably the Debian version (LMDE) because fuck Ubuntu.

>>7388
I’m retarded, sorry. Meant Cachy OS

>>7389
Step one is don't pick random meme distrobutions. Just don't. There is no benefit to it whatsoever. Mint is good.

>>7389
Haven't heard of Cachy OS either, but yeah, what >>7390
says. Starting off with something new is a bad idea. Mint has history; if you ever run into a problem, more often than not, there's precedence. With newer distros you're pretty much on your own.
If you want to be adventurous and use an Arch based distro then go with base Arch. It has good community backing. Lots of help if you're ever lost. As long as you don't use the AUR too much, you should be as stable as a rock. Haven't had a problem with Arch in the 3 years I've been using it.

Manjaro is good Arch

OpenBSD for when I want something that just works on my dev machine/laptop. FreeBSD for gaming. Used to be Gentoo but got tired of unfucking upstream every week as more and more of Linux becomes what I hated most about Windows. Refuse to use Arch or the the off-shoots due to systemd+I really hate the package manager. Portage might be annoying because it's written in python but at least it doesn't try to brick my system every other week because stuff actually gets tested before going into ~amd64 repo.

Mainstream Linux distros now are all mostly the same. Doesn't really matter what you use. They're all systemd init+whatever they're broken this week. I prefer staying on BSD because things get a lot more testing and scrutiny before they're allowed into the system. The kernel and base system being developed as one is really nice. Pretty much impossible to break it or get it into unworking state through a simple update. All my third party packages are in /usr/local/ instead of everything being shoved in together in /usr/bin/. All things like wine and GPU passthru work fine. I get all the stuff I like from Linux in a system that's much more stable. 6 months-2 years between being forced to catch up with upstream again and if I want I can continue running the old version longer than that. Much better built-in stuff for VMs and containers than what's on Linux (jails vs. Docker is no contest and we've had jails for 20+ years already). Xorg is actually maintained and has gotten many new features. Then there are things like pledge and unveil that have no comparable system under any Linux distro. If an application attempts to access a syscall or places on the file system its not supposed to it crashes instead of gaining full access to my entire system. There aren't a million forks popping up every year either since the OSs are designed up front to be run in many different ways. FreeBSD supports everything from being a server to being a full fledged desktop. Driver support is much better too because things are actually hashed out and tested before going into the kernel. People claim Linux is better with drivers but ime usually they're half working and buggy and almost never fixed. In the BSDs things don't go in until they're verified to work correctly so sure it may take sometimes a year or two before they're ported over. But the ports are always much better and well maintained going forward. The standard POSIX tools are always much better. Don't need a bunch of crap to get wifi working on my systems now. Everything is handled through ifconfig and configuring it is dead simple. The BSDs have properly written manuals and I don't need to search google/forums for answers for basic configuration/set-up issues. Just man <something> usually does the trick. OpenBSD in particular is really good about this because errors in the man pages are treated the same as errors in the source code.

Linux has gotten as annoying as Windows to maintain about 10 years ago. All the stuff I left Windows for was starting to creep in and the development was no longer open to anyone like it was before. Lots of bad decisions being made that ruined the lower level parts of userspace. I'd left FreeBSD long ago because Linux had better support for things like playing video games. But now FreeBSD's support for that is just as good so I ended up coming back. The communities for OpenBSD and FreeBSD are also much nicer despite the reputations of both. I've never been treated rudely by either and I've yet to see anyone get banned for speaking their mind. No identity politics to speak of at least on the mailing lists and forums.

>>7393
Anon is convincing me to switch to BSD... Once I have the time.

>>6707
scratch that, I installed endeavouros over my windows 10 install after having enough with it

>>7395
Nice!

>>7394
The only issue with the BSDs is you'll want to be more careful about picking hardware. With Linux generally everything will half work on any hardware most of the time. On the BSDs each and every one has their own set of hardware that is fully working. The upside is if it is working generally it's working 100% and well tested.

If you're on Nvidia GPU FreeBSD is really your only option because they're the only one that lets them in. OpenBSD team refuses to work with them (or it might be the other way around). On OpenBSD you'll get much better/quicker support for new AMD GPUs though. Each BSD kernel is its own thing so what works on one might not apply to the others. Things get ported back and forth all of the time but there may be big differences between them. Even userspace applications are like that. For example, pf on OpenBSD and FreeBSD are very different.

The main appeal on all of the BSDs is the system does what you tell it. It won't do anything behind your back automatically and configuration files are always in easy to use plaintext. None of this stuff where the init won't respect some configuration you've set elsewhere for things like networking because it wants to do its own thing.

With FreeBSD in particular you get a full blown Linux bin emulation layer. So you can use Linux drivers and pre-compiled Linux stuff through it. It emulates a basic Ubuntu environment. For VMs you get bhyve on FreeBSD as well which there is no comparable software for anywhere else. Then of course there are jails if you want to do similar things as Docker on Linux (jails support much more though).

As far as packages I haven't run across anything I couldn't fetch from the BSDs repos. Things are ported across from other POSIX systems very quickly. The package managers are all very nice and support building from source code by default if you want to do it. Generally, packages are offered in multiple variants by default. With emacs on OpenBSD there is gtk2, gtk3, gtk4, wayland-only and a few non-gtk versions. All pulled as packages with no requirement to build from source although sometimes there are support for things you can only get by building from source. I really like it because I spent so much time using portage with Gentoo over the years which was directly inspired by the way BSD systems package third party software.

All the BSDs are different though so you'll need to spend some time reading about each one. If you don't care about gaming/windows software then OpenBSD is generally the easy one to set-up through the installer because they bundle X11+three WMs by default. You get a working desktop at first boot. FreeBSD requires that you install X11 manually along with whatever DE/WM you want to go with it. Even though it has wider support for things like gaming/wine/VMs/running Windows and Linux software. OpenBSD doesn't have support for wine at all because they regularly remove features they consider to not be well maintained code. Same reason it no longer supports bluetooth. The community isn't opposed to letting that stuff back in but no one has stepped up to re-write the code to make that happen yet (bluetooth was considered a massive security hole when it was still in the base system). So OpenBSD is better if you want a super stable development machine. Where FreeBSD is better if gaming and stuff is important to you.

The upside to all of them is once you have a working system it continues to just work even when you update the base system. OpenBSD's updater is the best I've ever used. I run -current (packaged snapshots of current development branch) on my main system and have for years. I don't even bother to check before firing off the command anymore. It's super solid and only takes about 5 minutes to pull down new kernel+base system and update everything after a reboot. Then I update packages and it's always well and nothing ever breaks. Well sometimes my emacs pdf rendering breaks when poppler package updates. But I just have to go into my /emacs.d/ directory and delete pdf-tools folder and open emacs again. It auto-builds pdf-tools against the latest poppler and just works after that.

FreeBSD is closer to mainstream Linux than the others by the way. Even though stuff like wayland is well supported under OpenBSD. It's all going to run through X11 though. Since no one is interested in going wayland-only on the BSDs at the moment. Backwards compatibility and not breaking working systems is considered very important on all of them. Which is why they're so stable I guess. OpenBSD's version of X11 (Xenocara) is very very good. Lots of improvements throughout to address security concerns and other misc. things. They've been trying to push their fixes and improvements back upstream for years now so they no longer have to maintain their own patch set. But they were refused every time because no one was interested in improving X11 other than them until very recently. Remains to be seen if they'll switch over to this latest X11 fork. But so far it looks like they've going to keep maintaining their own for many years to come. Since they've got about a decade of custom patches now and it'll take a long time to port them over to anything else.

Even if you don't want to run a BSD desktop I highly suggest setting up a system on your LAN, installing OpenBSD on it and using it as a firewall. OpenBSD's pf is the best firewall out there and it has the best security track record going. Much easier to use than anything Linux has to offer. Much better support/manual. Plus the OS it's running on is rock solid so you don't have to worry about it randomly breaking or breaking during an upgrade.

>>7397
>Even if you don't want to run a BSD desktop I highly suggest setting up a system on your LAN, installing OpenBSD on it and using it as a firewall.
I might do that, actually. Plan to setup a home server/mpd server sometime in the future, so I can access my files when I'm not home. Thinking of having (Open)BSD in the server machine.
Sucks having different states on my laptop that I travel with and my PC that stays at home. Laptop always feels like a throwaway.

>>7398
I server all my media off OpenBSD machine running mpd and Jellyfin. Works fine. It's exposed to the public internet as well. None of that stupid "install tailscale/VPN" stuff going on. I have a small VPS server (also running OpenBSD) that verifies user log-ins for Jellyfin and passes them the real IP of the server. I used to use Debian but I got tired of systemd b0rking my network settings all of the time and I didn't trust it not to get rooted. OpenBSD just works and I can blindly run updates even remotely without any worries of the machine not rebooting properly. I only have to update it every 6 months and I run daily cron to check for erratas.

Having access to my media everywhere has been a game changer. No longer need to maintain copies of my FLAC collection or decide ahead of time what video I want to take with me. I can access my anime collection from anywhere in the world and stream FLACs through mpd remotely to anywhere in the world I have an internet connection. I even use mpd on the LAN to stream to my stereo and other devices. Have a massive playlist that randomly plays song or full albums all day even when I'm not listening to it. Have discovered so many new songs I like because of it. I think I'm up to 52 weeks worth of music alone now or something like that. I add new stuff to it all of the time as I find it through suggestions.

I have remote file sharing set-up too of course so I don't need to use mpd/Jellyfin interface to access content. But in practice I've found it better to use them anyway because the meta data is very helpful. Plus I like maintaining a watch/listen history so I can find stuff I liked later on if I can't remember the name or episode/track.

Bsd isn't as mainstream so you have to do more work yourself to understand troubles and doing things

i've been using 10 for years after using manjaro but now my 1070 is getting shittier and i don't feel as though modern pc gaming is worth the money to upgrade it so i'll probably go back. only thing i'm sorta worried about is my wacom and getting clip studio and maybe corel paint to work efficiently

also how is manjaro and arch these days?

>>7401
I've been using manjaro for 3-4 years, it's been mostly fine. A few updates broke some things so that's annoying, at least lately that hasn't been happening.
Whenever I switch though I'm gonna try something else, haven't done any research yet to decide but it might be endeavor os or just plain arch.

>>7402
use cachyos it's the best arch fork out there

>>7401
>how is ... arch these days
Been using it without a hitch these past 3-4 years. No system breaking upgrades at all.
Not limited to arch, but I love rolling release. Used to think they were an unstable mess, but not having to go through hoops to upgrade to a newer numbered version of the same OS is blissful. Used Debian and Fedora in the past, always had to do something or other when they released a new version every year or so. On top of that, contrary to my belief, it was not an unstable mess. In fact, I've dealt with less (0) system breakages in Arch than any of the distros I've used so far. Though, previously I only had linux laptops so maybe the proprietary-ness of laptops had something to do with it.

>>7391
>Starting off with something new is a bad idea. Mint has history
Something I was wondering about was sorta this, but if CachyOS is Arch based does that mean it gets all the support that Arch gets?

>>7405
Not entirely because it seems like they've made quite a change to base Arch. Even in general, the problem could be a result of the changes the distro made so the base community might not be of any help.

>>7400
This isn't entirely true. Windows is more mainstream than anything but good lucky getting support beyond
>this kind of worked for me run this random .exe or change this random registry entry
If you can even find that. Considering searching for answers now is pretty useless because search results are filled with so much garbage. I've found a similar issue with Linux then there is the whole thing where you problem might just be related to how certain distro packages something (or collection of things). Then there are the mountains of low quality answers in official support channels/forums I've seen over various different distros over the years. Tons of bad information being repeated on the arch and gentoo forums that I know for a fact is wrong but will be repeated as gospel for many years to come.

With the three BSDs I've used (Open, Net and Free) the above has never been an issue. If you consult the manual 9 times out of 10 you'll get your answer and it'll work. The 10th time you'll generally get an answer quickly from either the forum, IRC channel or mailing list. The users lurking the FreeBSD forum and the Open/NetBSD IRC channels are particularly knowledgeable. They won't copy/paste commands either they'll take the time to explain what they do and why they're using them.

The only frustrating thing for a newer user of Linux would be stuff they're familiar with not transferring over 100% of the time. If you used Linux before 2014 or so the BSDs should be very familiar to you already. But if you came over after that a lot of things will seem foreign to you at first despite being the old way of doing things on most Linux distros. But it isn't really a huge deal it mainly boils down to the init, boot loaders and tools like ifconfig vs. ip or whatever mainstream Linux distros are using for networking now. Linux tossed away a lot of old tools for new ones that were totally different. Where the BSDs have continued to improve those old tools while retaining backwards compatibility where possible.

There has been a huge increase in activity on places like the FreeBSD forum and OpenBSD mailing lists+IRC channel over the past few years. So there is no shortage of people familiar with both that can help you. FreeBSD forums are filled with people now that used to run OS X, Amiga, Linux pre-2016-ish and Windows. It attracted a lot of users from many different backgrounds all contributing in different ways.

There are a lot of exciting projects happening on the BSDs as well. OpenBSD has several things like got (a git replacement). FreeBSD has native ZFS support which is the best file system I've ever used and it's really hard to go back to things like XFS and btrfs after using it. NetBSD is keeping a lot of old hardware viable and going (still runs on my Dreamcast in 2025!). The people seem more laid back and mature too. No holy wars or drama. There isn't an attitude of shunning non-programmers either. Sysadmins and people that write documentation are as valued as programmers. No one is looking down their noses at anyone. It's refreshing to work with people like that after having spent the last several years dealing with what's been happening within mainstream Linux with the holy wars and bickering.

>>7395
The switch isn't without faults, my wacom tablet works fine in KDE sway but sway is a locked down mess of issues, KDE X11 feels like its missing everything and the tablet only works on all screens instead of one, I had to compile obs plugins, so I can have basic web functionality for urls, I had to fix shitcord from not letting me run it when it decides to update without notifying upstream, and the usual assortment of proton compatibility issues with steam games and finding out that steam may force you on a outdated linux port when the windows version is up to date.

>>7423
I was under the impression that KDE has been focusing on Wayland for long enough that X11 support is considered a redheaded stepchild at this point. Which is mostly fine for me as a casual-ish user, except that I abuse Redshift (X11-only) with two different profiles to set different color calibration modes for nighttime browsing and video / image editing, and Wayland still doesn't seem to offer a proper alternative to that workflow.
>the tablet only works on all screens instead of one
What does that mean, concretely? I have an old Wacom Bamboo and I've been planning to get a more advanced model (possibly with an integrated screen) if I ever get more disciplined at drawing. Does that mean it wouldn't work as intended under X11?

>>7424
KDE wayland works, but I did run into minor issues with how it manages security and other shit like touchpad strokes, there is some things not configurable but are present in sway but not x11, also I kinda realized I had to research more commands and utilize yay more, but I guess it is safer than having to go to shifty websites for programs. I'm having fun as a tinkerer, but if I was a normal user, this would be hell.

Been trying to get an appimage I built on Cinnamon to work on someone's KDE and he didn't get back to me about the issues, but I think it's because I'm on X11 and he's likely on Wayland. So it can't render the visualizations properly

Windows 10 on the pc some LTS mint with xfce that I really really need to upgrade on the laptop but haven't felt the motivation to shift from because of all the reconfiguring I'd need to do. Should finally bite the bullet and either install the latest or jump to a completely different flavour of nix, but I'm way out of the loop on what to try.

Used to be into the BSDs for a while, I liked their networking stuff.

>>6457
openbsd over here

debian bro reporting in

>>6457
I can't really say what my actual daily driver is. On one hand, it definitely is Windows 10, given that's what my main laptop uses. But both the Laptop and Windows 10 itself are dying.
And I've been regularly using a Thinkpad T430 with Fedora Linux installed to get comfortable with the fact I'll inevitably fully switch to Linux by October. Still, I've been using the Thinkpad so regularly that Linux has started to feel like a second daily driver for me. Although, I am trying to sort out some strange performance issues that causes the computer to take 5 minutes to boot up.
Regardless, I am running Fedora with TDE as its DE.

openSUSE GNU/Linux :3

>>7851
BACK to /lgbt/ with your tismal moder ass

>>7851
cute desktop anonymous
Is Menhera-chan there a part of the background image or some kind of mascot software?

>>7851
>Pictures
Does this count as posting s*yj*ck?

>>7851
you have to go back

>>7851
you have to stay in

>>7851
you don't get to bring friends

Started off with Linux Mint (which is based on Ubuntu). It was a great introduction for getting me into Linux but many of my essential software had stability issues for some reason and I had no idea why. Firefox would freeze up and crash on me for dragging certain HTML elements like links and images. My desktop environment would not successfully shut down without throwing exceptions. I ended up thinking that it's all Ubuntu's fault so then I decided to migrate to another distribution. Also, I did not want any of the pre-installed software that came with Mint.

After quitting Ubuntu, I move to Debian which allows you to start with a distribution that doesn't come with anything but what's required for the system to run and lets you install only what you need. So I install my browser, my essential stuff, and notice that I did not run into any stability issues whatsoever. Debian solved the issues I have and became my daily driver. It was pretty solid to me and was exactly what I was looking for in a Linux distro. If you're looking for a desktop environment that kinda resembles the Windows XP look and feel, you should give trinity desktop a try. It is based on KDE 3.

>>7858
>Photoshop
Is that using wine?
>I ended up thinking that it's all Ubuntu's fault
Glad you thought so, normally it'd be "Linux is not ready!" and back to Windows you go.
I had a similar experience when starting my Linux journey as well. Thought I'd go with Mint, everyone online (on reddit and YouTube) seemed to agree it was the best distro to get into Linux. I couldn't get my graphics card to work with it. Had some weird screen tearing even after numerous re-installs. I was hellbent on going Linux though, so I tried Debian and it worked like a charm. Stuck with it for a couple years before I switched to Arch, have been Arch ever since. One of the reasons I switched to Arch was:
>allows you to start with a distribution that doesn't come with anything but what's required for the system to run and lets you install only what you need.

>>7853
A secret 3rd option! The media frame plasmoid with a transparent background and this image

>>7854
Completely missed that lol, it's a funny programming meme

>>7858
Works on my computer.
It's hard to say what caused it. For >>7859 maybe it was the default video driver causing issues, or because it was wayland instead of xorg or whatever who knows somehow didn't cooperate with the graphics driver for that specific computer.
The fact that Linux works at all is nothing short of a miracle for how many drivers volunteers have written for compatability with all sorts of different hardware. There's so much obscure hardware I've found that somehow had a Linux driver written by someone that worked.

I've used the same Linux Mint install for many many years, but I have to admit even I've had some stability issues lately. One was a Linux kernel update that seemed to regress a fix for my bluetooth driver. I don't think using a different distro would solve this one for me though, my options are either wait for a fix or downgrade my kernel. I'm just waiting it out since I know they're aware of the sudden regression.
My computer also seems to crash overnight if I leave Firefox running for days on end while I'm not even using my computer. This wasn't a thing a few months ago. I don't use my desktop that often so I decided to just close my browser when I'm not using it. The best option is probably just to move away from Firefox, but I don't know where to go. I hate all the options and I will never ever use Chr*mium based browsers.

>>7861
No wojak images allowed on kissu FYI.

>>7863
Didn't know! I'm new here. I read the rules and it didn't say anything but maybe I missed it T-T

I think it goes under the "dont post ugly images" unwritten rule. Post cute images!

>>7865
ohh oki! have cute computer meme instead ^_^

>>7866
Isn't this still a wojak variant, despite it being all dolled up and cutified or whatever?

>>7859
>>Photoshop
Is that using wine?

Yes it is.
https://github.com/Gictorbit/photoshopCClinux

>>7867
Is it? Regardless it's cute so it's allowed afaik >:c

>>7867
I recognize it, its the low test male one

>>7867
Yes, it's twinkjak. This guy just wants to get (You)s.

>>7858
Question regarding Trinity. I am trying to figure out how to have my browser's (Firefox and Chromium) windows match the theme of the rest of TDE. And I saw through the F&Q that this is done through gtk-tqt-engine. But I've tried that and for some reason it tells me that it doesn't exist in any of the repos including Trinity's. Is this the correct way to do this or is the F&Q outdated?
Also I am using Linux for the first time, so I am still kind of a newbie.

>>7873
Welcome to the cult of IBM and Gnome refusing to play nice with others. GTK4 pretty much broke all attempts to make GTK stuff play nice with non-GTK stuff.

You can edit userchrome if you're using firefox to kind of get it close. But you'll still have to deal with the ugly 1 pixel gap if you don't run status bar+buttons or the ugly over sized buttons if you do.

>>7873
>>7874
You can find an overview and way to manually do it here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications

But don't expect it to continue working for more than a year or two if you're lucky.

>>7874
That fucking sucks. Is there any way to go back to GTK3 if I am on Fedora?
And what about what this userguide mentions here for qt5?
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/User_FAQ

>>7875
I'll follow this too, thanks.
>But don't expect it to continue working for more than a year or two if you're lucky.
I don't mind, I'll just tinker around with it again the year it fucks up and get it working again (hopefully). As long as it doesn't last only a few weeks or months, then that would suck.

>>7874
>>7876
Oh yeah, and I forgot to ask. What does IBM have to do with that specific change involving GTK? I understand Gnome being involved since GTK is involved with the GNOME project, but where does IBM fit into this (aside from Red Hat funding GNOME)?

>>7873
you can go to "customize toolbar" in firefox and turn on the title bar, it doesnt fix like everything but at least the window decorations should look how they're supposed to

>>7877
GNOME is practically a Red Hat project, most of their funding and manpower come from Red Hat. IBM owns Red Hat, thus having defacto control of GNOME. GNOME practically controls GTK, making GTK only really play well with GNOME as of GTK 4

>>7873
I don't know how it is for DEs, but with i3wm I get an option to the WM's title bar instead when I right click on the title bar, maybe see if that exists?

>>7876
>That fucking sucks. Is there any way to go back to GTK3 if I am on Fedora?

I don't know. But this is why I use Gentoo and the BSDs. Both either give me the ability to build a package from source or provide a pre-built binary that supports GTK2 or GTK3 instead of shipping GTK4 only. On my computers I stick to GTK2 whenever possible when using Qt as a build time option isn't possible. The only think on my system that require later versions of GTK is Firefox.

>>7877
GTK version 1 and 2 were community projects. They were intended to provide a way to do GUI applications on desktop without being tied to a large company project like Qt. When GTK was invented it was for the GIMP project originally and is was badly needed because the other graphical toolkits on UNIX OSs were either bound to a license that wasn't favorable or unmaintained (or we didn't have source code at all).

Red Hat was always an IBM project and they showed up throwing around a lot of money in the late 90s-early 2000s. They took over the GTK/Gnome project and introduced a lot of other stuff into the Linux ecosystem. So Gnome/GTK2 was the last 'real' release of the project. Version 3 was the start of the direction of the project (and the linux 'standards' through freedesktop) being corporate controlled by paid developers that started to dictate to users and forcing things upon them. They started going away from the POSIX idea of doing one thing and doing it well. Taking away choice. Instead of being able to modify and replace things easily you were now required to run a lot of software to get basic features. Simple things like using gksu/gksudo to launch GUI applications as root user got replaced with a spider web of stuff reliant on things like polkit, dbus, systemd etc. Vendor lock-in in all but name.

Which is why there was such a radical change with Gnome from version 2 forward. Gnome 2 was what most users would expect from a desktop with community plug-ins for anything you wanted and the ability to work with most anything else released for any UNIX. Gnome 3/4 dictates how you're using the computer and won't even allow you to do basic things like modify how windows or the desktop works. Badly copying other systems (mainly OS X) while taking away the ability to change colors/icons/behavior or even basic stuff like having background application icons displayed on your taskbar. But they weren't content with doing it with the Gnome desktop they eventually started enforcing more of this kind of thing on to applications using the toolkit. Which is why so many have opted to port over to Qt. Which is what most of them were trying to avoid using in the first place (if they're old enough to have been around in the 90s-2000s era).

So mainly none of this stuff plays well together because you have two large companies controlling both toolkits looking to enforce their own things upon users. Qt is just not as bad right now because it's designed to build applications over multiple platforms (mainly Windows and UNIX) where GTK is no longer concerned about anything but Linux (they regularly do things that breaks support on other UNIX OSs like the BSDs).

The main reason modern GTK/Gnome is bad is the last bit. Since getting them working on distros that don't use systemd and its various sub-systems is a huge pain in the ass. Last I checked it requires 100s of patches to get working on the BSDs and almost as many on a variety of Linux distros bundling an init other than systemd and/or not using things like polkit, dbus etc.

We've seen this huge change in Linux over the past decade and a half where long standing ways of doing things are now deemed not-secure and then getting replaced with mountains of hacky code. For example on the desktop if you needed to mess with partitions through a GUI you used to click an icon, which would launch a password prompt for your password, which would then open the application using sudo/su. This was said to be not secure and troublesome because of the password prompt. Instead it was replaced with a ton of code that's harder to audit that automagically does a bunch of crap to see if you're in wheel group then opens the application that way. But it requires a bunch of daemons running at all times as root all of the time (or what is basically root (suid)). One is not really better than the other (I argue the new way is far worse and more prone to being exploited) but if you point that out prepare for the downvotes, ban, post deleted, bunch of people parroting the same lines etc. Since the new way not only has paid developers behind it. It also has a dedicated PR team.

Linux is now where Windows was 10-20 years ago. I expect it to become more and more like Windows in the coming years. We're watching the platform become locked down in real time and more importantly vendor locked. IBM effectively already has control over the direction of the project. They control userspace now and they're one of the primary companies funding kernel development. Although the kernel is a whole other set of problems. Last year NATO got them to ban a ton of contributors simply for being born in the wrong country.

>>7894
Oh and it's important to keep in mind that when people say
>it's IBM
or
>it's Microsoft
or even
>it's Apple
that you should auto-correct the above in your mind as:
>It's the military industrial complex
or maybe
>It's the Government.

UNIX was an invention of the military just like the internet (and most all networking e.g. POTS landlines and radio). The software is a matter of national security. Red Hat's #1 customer is the US military. They ship them Linux for general purpose use. But you'll see a hodgepodge of stuff in the field. Since to them it's all the same in so far as all major OSs and hardware falls under their control by default.

There was a brief window in time from about the mid-1970s through the 80s and 90s when there was some relative 'freedom' in software development and exchange of information on the internet. This is simply not the case any longer. Organizations like the FSF and W3C have sold out and failed us. FSF might make some noise from time to time but it has pretty much failed on every front for the last 35 or so years I've been watching it. Which shouldn't be a surprise because it was spawned out of a US university which again falls under military/Government control since that's where the funding comes from. If the military tells them to jump they ask "how high?". Stallman's cushy office is paid for with US tax payer money. You can not expect a real resistance from such people. The GPL was an alright attempt to troll the industry and use copyright laws against it. But in the long run it has been a failure. People 'steal' the code with no repercussions and the code itself doesn't really matter. It's more about who controls who can and can not modify the code. Well that and who has the resources to host the code. You could write the most amazing OS and applications to go with the world has ever seen but no one will use it if you don't have the bandwidth to send it to them. They'll also refuse to use it if everyone they know and some authority figure claims there is a virus inside or that it is not secure. Since they're too lazy to audit it themselves.

The Government grants dictate development. Which is why right now you see such a push to re-write everything in Rust and release it under a non-GPL license. Since the Government is willing to give away tons of paper to people that are willing to do that for them.

Linux is no longer a system for hobbyists. It doesn't care about them and people that still care about it can't contribute unless the select few that control access allow them to. You can hack away on some fork on some isolated repo somewhere but you'll be hard pressed to get more than 5 other people to run it much less contribute and help with it.

What we're seeing right now with the recent users running away from "evil" Microsoft over to the various Linux distros reminds me of what happened on the web late 90s-early 2000s. People were pissed about Microsoft's attempt to do vendor lock-down of the web through IE. So they ran over to Google when Chrome came out for a browser and webmail because google promised them it'd "do no evil". We've all seen how well that worked out. Same goes for people like me that were early adopters of Mozilla Firefox. I personally wasted years on xhtml and related web standards only to watch it all get thrown away because the W3C got bought out by Google. So now we have javascript everywhere and DRM on the web instead of an open system. Oh and our browsers are biggest exploits waiting to happen than they ever were with ActiveX, Flash and Java applets.

Don't get fooled by promises of freedom and choice. Do enjoy things being better right now compared to whatever you came from. I'm just saying do not expect them to remain this good. Linux ecosystem has been in such decline lately I sometimes pine for the days when I had to spend weeks getting a modem working or risking frying my CRT from configured X11. At least back then it was truly a "free" OS.

Younger people wouldn't believe the kind of real freedom we used to have with personal computers. A C64 was real freedom. You had the freedom to do anything including running a command that would kill your monitor and maybe your entire system. When it broke you got to keep the pieces. If you were willing to learn you could probably put them back together again. You could also war dial and access all sorts of classified information in those days without having to worry about the Feds kicking in your door. A lot has changed.

Anyway if you ever want answers like this simply follow the money. They aren't hiding where most of it is coming from. The idols of FOSS are all sell outs for the most part. There is a reason why Linus is a multi-millionaire and it isn't because regular people sent him donations.

>>>/amv/11346
Go CachyOS, it's the easiest one to set up and get gaming on.

>>7897
Noted. I've been meaning to try out Arch since I managed to successfully install it in a VM but I see that Cachy is based on Arch.

>>7898
lovely foot shapes

>>7898
Use base Arch, derivatives are gay. Anything you can do on "CachyOS" you can do on base Arch. It's not even hard to setup a Linux OS to game on now-a-days.

>>7894
>>7896
Thanks for the rant, rant anonymous. All one can do is worry about the inevitable non-free free future and lie in wait... or maybe create their own OS and an ecosystem that works on it. Can't trust nothing these days. Personally, I'm a "create it yourself" person too, but when it comes to stuff like a whole ecosystem I'm reluctant. That's a lot of things to create on your own.

>>7900
Yeah I don't know why all these soft forks get popular then vanish just as quickly. I guess it's marketing. There is no good reason to use a distro like that because all they're doing is minimal kernel tweaks which you could easily do yourself by building your own kernel from source.

Now if a fork uses its own new package manager or offers its own repo with different build options then maybe it's worth using. Or one that does something that replace major things in userspace with something else (e.g. s6 instead of systemd) which would require doing the above then yeah it can be worth using. It's its own project at that point.

But a lot of these distros like Ubuntu, CatchyOS, Mint and others are simply the base distro (Debian, Arch) and its repos with some lazy stuff config wise slapped on top. Which becomes a huge headache to debug especially when you have an LTS release based on another LTS release. You're just setting yourself up for pain.

Gaming on Linux isn't even hard now. Grab any multilib distro, install steam, install wine and maybe a helper for it. Done.

>>7902
>Ubuntu, CatchyOS, Mint
Putting these together feels a bit disingenous. One of them is a year old. The other two are twenty years old. Ubuntu has a ton of things preconfigured that makes it just work for people because they have a massive team working on actually making shit just work, but it also has a ton of nonsense people don't want so Mint is the compromise between Debian (too difficult for the average beginner) and Ubuntu (too corporate).

>>7903
>Putting these together feels a bit disingenous.
It's not. They're all the same thing. As I already stated and explained.

>>7903
>(too difficult for the average beginner)
And yes I do mean this, beginners do not want to manually set up a bunch of repositories just for their drivers.

>>7904
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_13_.22Trixie.22
This is too much for a beginner.

>>7905
Yes it's really hard for lazy dumb people with no reading comprehension to copy/paste or type in a few commands.

>>7906
Yes, I am glad we agree that Ubuntu and Mint are better recommendations than Debian for beginners.

>>7907
They're not. We don't agree. Stop pretending to be retarded.

These so-called newbies will just end up running into an error they can't fix which requires the same kind of manual intervention. Which will be even harder to debug because they're dealing with 2-3 more layers of BS now.

You know what they'll do? Re-install the entire OS for no reason when they could have fixed it with a simple config file+maybe updating. Or they'll run back to windows.

This only serves as a good example why catering to idiots is always a bad idea.

There's more guides for Ubuntu than Debian because Debian users are not treated with kiddy gloves and are expected to know how to do things.
Glad we continue to agree that the average beginner should use an idiot proof OS such as Ubuntu.

>>7909
It is not "an idiot proof OS". There are less guides for dumb fucks for Debian and OSs like Free/OpenBSD because USERS ARE EXPECTED TO READ THE MANUAL.

By catering to idiots you ruin both the underlying system and ecosystem for the idiots AND users that bother to read the manual. Every last issue with modern Linux can be traced back to
>we need to make it idiot proof
News flash: Idiots don't install an OS in the first place. Their friend/child/whoever they've paid does it for them or more likely they just use whatever came with whatever crappy hardware they purchased.

Every piece of technology I interact with on a daily basis has been dumbed down in an attempt to idiot proof it. All of it is now more frustrating to use, breaks more often and regularly requires more manual intervention to keep running.

Instead of encouraging idiocy and catering to retards you should shame them and encourage them to read instead.

The ONLY reason Ubuntu even got popular in the first place wasn't because it was
>easy to use!
it was the fact that they would ship you however many CDs you wanted of the software for free. Which was useful in a world where half the first world was still stuck behind a dial-up connection.

Look at Debian, Ubuntu and Mint and all the trouble it has caused. We now have possible contributors spread over three different projects. Maintaining at least 2-4 different releases at all times. All of which are incompatible with each other in undocumented ways. That's not even getting into backports, PPAs and all the other issues created by this unneeded split of effort.

But you claim this is a-okay because
>user can google and get support!
but what support do they get? Some stackoverflow post that's probably wrong and tells them to copy/paste commands or edit config files. Which is EXACTLY WHAT THE MAN PAGES TELLS THEM TO DO IF THEY'D BOTHERED TO READ THEM.

Works on my computer.
Anyways I am not trying to rile you up so I'll leave the conversation here as I don't expect us to come to an agreement.

Idiot proof software!

>>7911
you have just earned yourself a lifetime pass for the hamster thread

>>7878
>>7880
I'll try that, thanks.

>>7879
That makes sense, that means Fedora is also inadvertently owned by IBM too, right?

>>7881
I've considered moving on to both Gentoo and eventually BSD in the future, but for now I am using Fedora until I get comfortable to try out more advanced systems, whether it be distros like Gentoo or another OS system like the BSD family.

>>7894
>>7896
Genuinely, thank you for explaining most of this. This is the kind of stuff I want to know more of, especially the history (since I am admittedly kinda dumb when it comes to pure coding sometimes so history is closer to my forte, I am trying to improve, but I can't call myself good for the time being). It gives me added context and lets me understand how to navigate the landscape, even if what you're saying sounds pretty grim. I will admit I don't understand all of it, but I am hoping in time I will once I get more acquainted with Linux and even open-source systems as a whole.
Also admittedly yeah, I figured GNOME was bad, I kinda tried it out for a bit on my system and admittedly...I wasn't fond of it, which is why I switched to TDE, I found it more comfortable. KDE felt bloated and GNOME just felt off for me.
>Which is what most of them were trying to avoid using in the first place (if they're old enough to have been around in the 90s-2000s era).
Unfortunately not, I am 25, I also wasted too much of my early years in the wrong way when it comes to both computing and software. Didn't move to Windows until the late 2010s and I am only now trying Linux. Admittedly I wanted to fuck around with Linux MUCH earlier (as early as 2018ish), but I was using a partially fucked up laptop and I had frequently heard of compatibility issues with Linux, it wasn't until this year that I decided to buy an old Thinkpad and went ahead with trying out Linux. I also felt I wouldn't be good enough to navigate Linux and that I would fuck up in some astronomical way. Surprisingly, once I tried it out, I adapted better than I thought
>You can not expect a real resistance from such people.
That's one of the most disappointing things sadly. I expected the open-source community to better defend themselves, but all I see is pointless drama rather than defending their core tenants. It genuinely sucks.
>You can hack away on some fork on some isolated repo somewhere but you'll be hard pressed to get more than 5 other people to run it much less contribute and help with it.
I have to be honest, I think that's the most frustrating thing about everything nowadays. People prefer convenience over working on a common goal to actually get stuff done. If there are any projects it's usually done for anything other than being pure hobby, and the ones that do are usually a small number of passionate people who don't get enough contributors to help them so the project crashes and burns after a few months, or even years if it somehow survives that long.
>Oh and our browsers are biggest exploits waiting to happen than they ever were with ActiveX, Flash and Java applets.
I am curious, what's actually worse than all of those? I remember Flash and Java exploits were considered quite hellish back in the day (although, maybe it was a lot of commotion over nothing?), what could be worse?
Also I am curious, given the shit state of Firefox and Chromium-based browsers, is there any hope in something like Ladybird?
>Don't get fooled by promises of freedom and choice. Do enjoy things being better right now compared to whatever you came from.
To be honest, it seems to be kind of common that whenever I move on to something that seems better, I find out things are much worse than expected or that they've become much worse, just my luck. But still, I did kind of go into it with the assumption that things weren't quite as good as they once were. On one hand, sure. Proton support has made Linux more viable for things like video games that normally wouldn't work on Windows, but at the same time, it's evident that in other aspects it's become more corporate and restricted than before, which is a damn shame. One step forwards, two steps back.
I did consider moving over to BSD if things truly get Enshittified to the point of Windows 8 (and onwards) or MacOSX degrees, but at the same time, I fear that BSD might end up suffering something similar, so I don't know if there even will be a better option in the future.
Also, I apologize if anything I say sounds naive or ignorant, I am still a learner in most things.

>>7896
>>7914
Also should add, admittedly I misquoted one part, that part about my age was meant to be in reply to what you said about younger people not knowing the convenience of the freedom of the old days, but I misquoted that part. Just had to clarify that.

i use x-lite, which is a stripped down windows 10/11 'fork'.
If you combine a good firewall with any version of Windows though, like SimpleWall, then you can block out all telemetry. Just only allow firefox.exe and other processes to access the internet and windows itself can never phone home.