Not really

Can't say it has. I remember threads about it when it came out and it did make sense, but it really wasn't anything groundbreaking to me personally; like everyone else I was more interested in the seductive animation and not the message. I have a feeling that it was more meaningful to teenagers or people new to 2D stuff in general- more of a cautionary tale for people not to get in too deep or something. The people it spoke to are quite comfortable in their delusion and those that would worry about it would never fall into that situation in the first place. 'Don't neglect your girlfriend' isn't particularly relatable.

I answered "Not really" because while I wasn't affected by the video itself, I feel like it popularized, if not birthed, the rapid-cosplay-for-attention-without-knowing-the-character phenomenon, similar to artists that rush to draw a new character before anyone else. It gave me some cynicism to see people misinterpret the character so brazenly despite the source material being only a few minutes long. It's very basic: if you're a real life person then you can't cosplay as her

>>3189
>misinterpret the character so brazenly
I don't think that's the case at all. It's a stand-in for cute/sexy anime girls in general and embodying that very thing is what the cosplayer aims to do. The creators didn't fail at being understood, they failed at generating disgust.
The same goes for anyone cosplaying a yandere or menhera, or all the people using Patrick Bateman pics. They get it, they absolutely get it, but it's still seen as a good thing.

What does manage to hit hard is something like City Without Angels. It'd be harder for a vtuber to sing this one.

a bit because it made some nice porn

Welcome to the NHK was far more effective in changing my opinion about Otaku Culture.

Kind of. I know this isnt healthy but I am badly addicted, the MV is telling me nothing I already dont know

>>3190
This song doesnt really work because they're not real people

>>3194
It does work, because people still feel things over fictional characters.

In fact, the singer refers to herself as an artificial object, not as a real person. That's the point.

>>3187
>>3192
both are reflections of yourself (the otaku) why should it change your outlook on otaku culture? maybe if you're a teen and don't know much about yourself but for a seasoned otaku it's just their daily life. me!me!me! even pays an homage to evangelion via the figurines in the music video. both eva and otaku no video covered escapism and the reality of being an otaku before.
i don't know where i'm going with this. i'm tired

EVA is cringe

>>3198
no u

>>3198
the word cringe is used by people with decreased mental capacity

I liked it, appreciated it, didn't change my life.

It has too many capital letters and not enough full stops

>>3190
>It'd be harder for a vtuber to sing this one.

I could see Fubuki singing this

>>3195
Norms don't.

The real question is if Magical Destroyers changed your outlook on otaku culture.

>>3197
I believe it is an issue of focus.
I think you are correct in saying that both are a reflection of what the otaku do and thus may not be as effective on someone who is neck deep in it, but I also think that Me!Me!Me! and Internet Yamero are weakened by indulging in what they condemn to a degree that NHK doesn't. NHK keeps its focus on Sato and his struggles with mental illness and self loathing. While there are Otaku imagery, overtones and undertones, the story is always rooted in the main character's faults and weaknesses. The distractions are much weaker in NHK, so the impression it leaves on people are rooted in its core message.

With Me!Me!Me!, there's a scene where the protagonist starts blasting the symbols of his lust, before they tear him apart and eat him. But it's easy to forget about that even if you've watched it multiple times, because it quickly gets drowned out by cutesy meme of random cartoon girls doing the iconic hip sway. The same thing happened with Internet Yamero. Their indulgence in otaku tropes muddied their message to the point where it is nearly lost. It's no longer a person expressing the feeling of hollowness they get from indulging too much in their hobbies, but just another cute thing to get a buzz from.

>>3205
It changed my outlook on a particular newbie director after it ended.

>>3204
Okay, sure, but it's not aimed at norms.
>>3205
I'd have to say no.

>>3206
There is a comparison to make between those two and NHK's Pururin, in that Pururin is a parody of generic cuteness that is itself cute and remembered as such. But as you say, she's not a major figure, she's in the background.
Though in Yamero's case I wouldn't call it muddying the message as much as being ambiguous, since it purposefully ends with a relapse and acceptance, in those two verses about being unable to live without her fans right before IN-TA-NEE-TO SA-I-KO-U. It's different from ME!'s SHABs working against themselves by virtue of being SHABs.

All I got from NHK was that love can make terrible lives less terrible

>>3205
it made me respect otaku culture more
i thought otaku hero was cool, he's literally me

i've actually never seen ME!ME!ME! for myself, so by default, no
at most, i just find people talking about it kind of annoying

>>3211
Why does it annoy you

>>3211
you should just to knock that one out
literally six minutes

>>3213
i probably should, and i definitely could, but i'm also not really interested in the song
>>3212
there're a couple of reasons, but mostly because i just find it annoying when something is everywhere and everyone is talking about it
also more people complaining about "people missing the point" than there are people that actually missed the point

>>3214
>more people complaining about "people missing the point" than there are people that actually missed the point
My point precisely. :3

>>3214
It's easier for people to accept and understand that everyone missed the point rather than others understood the message but just didn't care.

i'm pointer i miss

all them /prog/ nerds should've learned how to get their pointers right by now

I watched it once when it came out. Can't remember a thing about it so it must have been pretty dull.

>>3219
my experience exactly

>>3187
MEMEME seems more like critiquing internet/pornography addiction than it says anything about otakus. The only thing that's really "otaku" about it is that it uses anime women as the objects of desire. Replace the blue haired succubi ladies with riley reid or hitomi or some other popular porn star and nothing about the message would change.

>>3190
I don't think City Without Angels has aged well now that there's more of a blur with 2D and 3D women in otaku culture. It's normal now to have stickers of anime women on your car or for actual 3DPD to go out with their hatsune miku shirts.

Also, no one cares about watashi no koko because lalavoice is just unpalatable for most people. I think there have been some covers using vocaloids that sound less ear-rapey but even then, their songs aren't nearly as fun to listen to as anything from teddyloid.

>>3222
did you seriously not see the eva figurines in mc's bedroom? it is a critique of otaku escapism

>>3222
Adding to >>3225, there's also the FPS segment for videogames. You could say it's about escapism in general, doesn't change things much. By virtue of being anime it'll be aimed at that demographic.
As for City Without Angels, it's a good point, but I still thing it does what it sets out to do much better than ME!ME!ME!. The video's comments show it was effective.

>>3222
> It's normal now to have stickers of anime women on your car or for actual 3DPD to go out with their hatsune miku shirts.
Doesn't that further emphasize the disposable nature of the characters the song is about? It doesn't seem to matter who is doing the using and disposing, but rather that it is how things are to begin with.

Not necessarily about otaku culture, but this one changed my outlook on working/being a NEET

>>3222
For what it is worth, I've broken a car window for having a darling in the franxx sticker

>>3236
pasted

I never saw it so I won't respond to the pole.

Can I ask what about it would change one's opinion on Otaku culture or would that be spoiling it for others that may not have watched it and who want to watch it?

>>3251
Just go and watch it, it's only six minutes.

>>3192
Sato isn't really an Otaku though, his experiences of Otaku culture and thus what NHK has to say on Otaku culture are a reflection on his personal struggles and the motives he has for engaging with said culture in the first place.

It hit me now, after staying up far too long and reading a few too many h-manga chapters, but I maintain it's more about porn addiction than otaku culture. The "girlfriend" thing is metaphor I think though. It could also not be though, apparently porn addiction can be a huge problem in relationships. I gotta do something about this, I've been up for 2 days looking at stuff.

City Without Angels though, its emotional but I feel its from a different time. There's less stuff like that now with the proliferation of fanworks as porn

>>3280
Also some of the series featured in it arent just soulless masturbation bait!

But aside from Gacha, which deserves no pity as its maniuplative at best, I would think the attitudes towards Kemono Friends lewd and the notorious purity spiraling of idol fans show things have changed

>>3280
>>3281
I think that in both the sexual element is particularly strong but only because of how prominent and overt sexual stuff is in otaku material in general, since they have more to it than that. ME!ME!ME! has the videogame segment, a gunpla mat, and non-porn creepy Eva figs, while City Without Angel's other big theme is FotM "recycled lump of archetypes" that end up forgotten, and those are still a thing. Like when the latter says "just a product made for pleasure," 快楽 covers more than just the sexual, right? Although it's focused on 欲望, from what I'm reading, yeah.
The second point about porn now being focused on the fan side of things is a good one, though I still think it's the more relevant of the two due to its other theme and much better execution.

>>3283
Yeah, but the non-sexual elements of these fandoms are a different discussion, and there's not a lot to really say about escapism and a bit about consumerism (although the counter-cultural movement of anti-consumerism is often overly reductionist in its rhetoric and the topic is avoided because it often boils down to name-calling and nobody ever suggests reasonable moderation anymore, it's always one extreme or another), yeah, they're maladaptive coping but from the examples I've seen once they quit doing that they just cope in other ways. There is something to say about the phenomenon of slowly losing interest in anime and mostly just reading manga and LNs after one learns Japanese and ESPECIALLY after moving to Japan, but I don't know if there's anything to that other than burnout or the dialogue sounding embarrassing after learning the language.

>FotM "recycled lump of archetypes"
I don't know if this is always a bad thing, because y'know, people tend IRL to be archetypal. Non-lewd characters also tend to be remembered often, threads about semi-obscure characters from decades ago are still made! Series that ended quite some time ago still have active, hardcore fanbases at least in terms of the creation of fanworks. Non-archetypal people, despite everyone's insistence, are viewed as oddballs at best and mentally ill at worst.

I just don't think the song is ubiquitous anymore.

The recycled archetype thing also can apply more to the media itself! Depending on the era, its just an endless stream of generic harems or mecha or isekai or romcoms, etc.

>>3187
No, I never accepted its message because it criticizes escapism and idealism while idealizing "normal life" in the same line.
Oh, you're obsessing over ideal 2D anime girls and fiction? Well, that's bad because you're neglecting this hot real girl who loves you! Right, every otaku just so happens to have some hot girl lover he's neglecting because of his lifestyle. Ridiculous.
It's no different when Anno criticizes otaku when he's rich and married with his own personal studio and he even gets a blank check to personally play with all his favorite franchises. What a joke.
They create a contrived example and then try to cast it over everyone. Not every otaku is a failed norm that desperately wishes he was a norm. Or actually that's the point. It's a culture but insofar as a point of criticism. We acknowledge otaku as a group but only to cut them down. Otaku are the losers, the dregs at the bottom of the barrel, therefore any culture they create must be judged with reference to the well-to-do norms. You are not allowed to enjoy otaku culture alone on its own merit, it must always be done with reference to "normal" society. All artistic and cultural value they produce is irrelevant because it does not conform to our rules and our values. If you are an otaku, you are not an otaku you are a loser. Your art is not art and your culture is not culture but only ways for you to cope with with low position in our hierarchy. If we do grant your art and culture equal ground then it is only to pick it apart and whittle away at it.
For example Miyazaki loves to criticize anime for not referencing "real life", but that doesn't mean anything because anime is art, and all art from the getgo is abstraction. Simulacra it may be but that doesn't lessen it's value because all art stands on it's own. Whether an artwork is more or less because of its essence is entirely personal and subjective.

Let's be honest the real issue is that otaku can't be easily integrated into society, so they need to be eliminated. Sure, they're consumers, but they're not the ones who are going to breed above replacement rate and take out loans on a car and a house. And of course like always these idiots don't realize that otaku are a symptom, not the cause, of societal decay.
They present a distorted image and then try to sucker some poor saps back into the machine. Emphasize the negative aspects and stereotypes of the subculture framing it as a problem, and provide the "solution" which is partial or full reintegration with mainstream established society. Don't touch on the positive aspects, and definitely don't provide actual solutions which don't require abandonment of lifestyle and values. Present an idealized representation of mainstream society in a positive light and gloss over and handwave all negative aspects and problems.

It's not that I hate the video or even the creators or their message, it's that certain notorious all-consuming force that belies it under the surface and yet is all too apparent.

P.S.
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>>3286
i feel the same way. i really don't like "escapism bad lol" as a message (or rather, in most examples where it's brought up) and i'm especially annoyed whenever internet people worship anything that could even potentially be wrongly interpreted as critiquing it (while either also still indulging in said behaviors regardless, like with many vtuber fans and gacha/internet addicts, or using their beliefs to remind us lowly delusional perverted escapist dregs of society how much better they are as people).
yes, i know that overindulgence is bad, but why are specifically nerdy/otaku-adjacent hobbies (and porn, i guess) always specifically the target, and why is it always the worst possible scenario of crippling addiction, as if that's literally everyone that partakes in it? they don't fuck up your body/mind in the same way hard drugs or alcohol do. part of the reason why i'm an otaku in the first place is because of all these sociopathic norms who exclude everyone who deviates even slightly from what they're like, indulging in their vices, and then having the nerve to tell me that my hobbies are somehow a problem that i need to move past. the other reason why i'm an otaku is because video games and anime are fucking cool, screw what everyone else says, i'm dying before i ever stop playing/watching either of those things. why don't any of these "be a norm like everyone else" media point out the actual root causes of what would cause someone to withdraw completely and shut themselves off from society?
what's wrong with wanting to escape sometimes? anywhere's better than here.

MEME MEME was specifically how porn addiction can hurt the psyche, and the GF is a metaphor. Its wrong to compare it to EVA or anything like that

>>3286
Miyazaki is only complaining about anatomy and realistic movement on a technical level.

>they're not the ones who are going to breed above replacement rate and take out loans on a car and a house.

The cultural zeitgest right now is demonizing these things for one reason or another, so its out of date

>>3288
>specifically how porn addiction can hurt the psyche
sors?

I feel like you guys are taking it a bit too personal, it's a music video telling a story. Not everything is a battle.

>>3287
>but why are specifically nerdy/otaku-adjacent hobbies (and porn, i guess) always specifically the target
Well, it's the target audience. It's like asking why the protagonist of isekai are unfulfilled, unappreciated people (or just outright losers) before they get truck'd. It's a music video featuring a sexy dancing 2D girl. The people watching and talking about it were of a certain demographic as it was originally on niconico and it got shared around in certain online spaces elsewhere by virtue of what it is. If it was a live-action short about baseball players then someone else would be talking about it.

im battler
i battle

>>3292
battler... my brother in norwood...

Do you think an /ss/ or tall girl femdom sorta-nukige as a metaphor for porn addiction is a good idea

There should be a poll on if people have actually watched the rest of the Nihon Animator Mihonichi besides ME!ME!ME!

>>3931
I wonder how many people even know about Imaishi's little project that was inside of it.

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