>Madoka Magica sequel
You mean Rebellion? It's very worthwhile and adds a lot to the character of homu homu who homu here. Gorgeous movie really, looking forward to Kaiten.
On the Rebuilds, I also haven't bothered with them either not because it's unnecessary but because for a long time I saw lots of very negativity surrounding them and assumed it was just a cashgrab. There was a lot of buzz with the last one but I still haven't taken a look. On Higurashi, I get if you don't like Watanabe's designs, honestly their only draw is the extra sexo, but people watched it expecting an Umineko link and what we got was mostly garbage. Fucked over the community, sadly.

What I personally usually avoid is longer series, I don't feel like they're a good use of my time. I've never followed any of the big shonen for this reason.

>>6575
Sorry I actually meant spin-off on the OP. Yeah the Madoka movies are fine.

>>6573
>show
>manga
Not engaging with:
Girls und Panzer (always felt like tank focus autism is a norp thing)
Tried but stonewall dropped:
Monogatari
Miyazaki, Urobuchi, Fukui, and Anno's stuff
>game
Absolute most of gacha stuff, especially Chinese. All are predatory wasted asset potential.
Online-service games of the month, in any form. MahjongSoul a big exception. It's self-sabotage to rely your mind and habits on what you know will disappear. Pirate servers are too dead and cheat-infested to be worth it, and, for the maintained stuff, I'm too socially anxious over the small veteran group circles they have, plus I don't want to get attached to such micro communities anyway.
2D danmaku games except 2hu. Dodging is always more fun in three degrees of freedom.

I'm not picking up any Western "anime-style" or "anime-inspired" content, ever.

>>6573
I watched all of those and I can safely say you didn't miss a single thing.
In the case of Higurashi, it's better to have not watched it since it was so fucking bad that it could've potentially ruined the rest of the series for you, including Umineko.

>>6573
gousotsu was actually good doe everyone just got filtered hard

>>6573
>I refuse to watch the EVA rebuilds because I have no interest in them, I believe The End of Evangelion was the perfect ending and I see no point in watching past that.
Same, but the TV ending.

>>6575
Rebellion is garbage that ruins Homura as a character. It's just nice visuals and cheap fanservice at the expense of the original story.

>>6578
>Girls und Panzer (always felt like tank focus autism is a norp thing)
Don't know what norp means but you can appreciate GuP without being a tank nerd, though it probably helps. And you might get interested even a little in tanks if you watch it. If you like cgdct anime though there's a lot to like in it even ignoring the tanks. We're actually getting a spinoff anime soon (an adaptation of a manga) for it that doesn't even have tanks in it.
>>6582
Rebellion continues Homura's character arc and you're insane if you think Homura would just give up after spending decades or however long it was trying to save Madoka like the TV series has her do.

I refuse to play anything new by Creative Assembly because they've been pumping out nonstop kusoge for over a decade and they abandoned us old fans for the much more lucrative Warhammer cash cow.

>>6578
>Girls und Panzer (always felt like tank focus autism is a norp thing)
You think? I figure focus autism on anything is an important basis for NORPphobic stories. Like some people disliking the whale discussions in Moby Dick.
Miyazaki is an odd one to include. What's wrong with his work? Also, try out Saya no Uta for an Urobutcher work that I think everyone agrees is great.
>>6582
Hard disagree. Her progression is entirely normal and to be expected, both in fiction and IRL.

Nasuverse. Too big and I'm too late to the party.
Anything that focuses on cars. Norps love cars and cars always threaten to run me over. Carfag norps always have an insider culture with insider slang, all of which I don't like, making basic car info inaccessible, and which I see as nothing more than status signaling out of peer pressure need to get a car because you didn't plan your home place or career ahead to adapt to where it is within the infrastructure - industrialization Stockholm syndrome mess. Most of microinfrastructure kowtows to cars, yet carfags can't bother to actually learn from getting their driver's license. Carfagging killed Billy Herrington. Tons of greenery gets destroyed to this day just to accommodate cars spreading like cancer. Inside of a city, I can't breathe as deep as I wantto without being reminded of the road dust clinging to my teeth on exhalation. Opening a window to the air near where cars go won't mean you'll get actually fresh air inside. I have to look at pigeon carcasses weekly because of cars. Cars are the antichrist of my beloved machinery and a symbolic reminder of everything I wouldn't want to even think about. It's the Saturnian Iron Maiden that executes the potential towards what's pleasant for the heart.
One Piece. All of what it could offer seems like a waste of time.

Seconding Monogatari and Nasuverse, and throwing in a Umineko as well. The holy trifecta.
Somehow, I get the feeling these series will probably be the most commonly named in this thread.
>>6583
I didn't hear about the spinoff, is it the 4koma? Exciting times.

>Carfagging killed Billy Herrington.
it was me i did it i hate gays sorry kissu

>>6583
Homura didn't give up, she achieved her objective. Madoka did not turn into a witch that run, her promise to her friend was fulfilled. Keeping Madoka alive in a human body was never part of the goal, just an assumed requirement, and Homura realized she had no real connection to the Madoka in the current timeline so it makes no sense for her to go all yandere for a girl who is essentially a stranger to her. But who cares about the nuance of the story and character development when you can just tell all the yuri shippers their shit is canon and make bank, right?

>>6592
Save the buzzword stew for dinner at 4chan's...

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I have to admit that I'm not really a fan of NGE just in general. I do like a lot of things from it, like Rei, some of the cool story ideas and also the vast majority of the designs, which is why I actually still really like End of Eva for the visual experience, but that's it. I'm open to trying out the Rebuilds in the future, just for the sake of curiosity, but the thing that keeps me away the most is that the EVAs don't have that super cool athletic, slender design to them anymore.

I don't have any personal examples for outright refusal. School Days remains the only anime that I absolutely refuse to ever watch again for how terrible it made me feel, but I did watch it in full. I also don't normally watch anything more recent than 2000s anime because that would be outside my comfort zone, unless I'm exceptionally intrigued by it being something I'm otherwise somewhat familiar with.

>>6587
>I didn't hear about the spinoff, is it the 4koma? Exciting times.
It generally isn't but it has 4koma extra chapters. They decided to adapt it with movies though instead of a series for some retarded reason though. There's over 20 volumes iirc though so they're not going to get anywhere near adapting all of what's currently out.

>>6586
Nasuverse might seem intimidating but Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night are the only two you would really need. The rest is there if you want to delve deeper but it's optional.

>>6573
I've never seened cowboy bepop and I don't want to ever because in my mind I have built it up to be way better than it probably is and I know I will get let down.

>>6608
The only thing I know from Cowboy Bebop is from this lo-fi song I heard 8 years ago when lo-fi was starting to become popular.

>>6608
Boob physics and hand-to-hand combat of its movie is better than you'd imagine. You're probably right about the TV and other aspects of the movie. If you had watched Samurai Champloo: it's like a Westerner-friendly SC.

Oshi no Ko. As an idolfag it feels like a property that was designed just to belittle me.
>>6573
>EVA rebuilds
You're not missing much, it's basically a vehicle for Anno to tell his audience that he's the only person who's allowed to keep enjoying childish things as an adult and they're all bad people for trying to share that with him. Liking the fourth movie disqualifies someone from having good taste in my opinion, absolute vomit film.
>Madoka Magica sequel
I read the thread so I know you're talking about Magia Record. I see Magia Record as an Inu Curry artbook brought to the screen. The plot is forgettable but inoffensive.
>new Higurashi show
If you stop after season 1 then you can probably dream up a better season 2 than what actually happened and then it would be worth it. I was still feeling it at the end of season 1.
>>6591
She wanted Madoka to have a normal life untouched by the incubator's influence; having her be reduced to a law of physics is obviously a fail state for Homura.
>it makes no sense for her to go all yandere
Almost like humans are too emotional to consistently take advantage of, right QB?
>nuance of the story
Oh the irony...

>>6638
You're not missing out on much after how OnK ended.

>>6591
How did you... completely miss the emotional obsession and reliance Homura had towards Madoka underneath her cool and emotionless facade? It wasn't even a secret later on in the series, it was shoved in your face. I have to disagree with the buzzwords used in >>>/trans/23327 but he's right that this is levels of disconnection from reality deserving of ridicule. Homura already had shown she was ready to sacrifice every single other girl in the cast as long as she was able to be with Madoka, and even before then it wasn't as though Madoka was always some universal threat were she to become a witch. It was a completely normal witch transformation of maybe higher power but nothing too serious. Yet Homura kept going and upping her threat level each time because she wanted to physically be with Madoka.

Ryukishi07 in general - it looks like something I could get into but I don’t want to for some reason. I only saw the 2009 anime
Pretty cure - I saw the first one. I like it but not enough to watch every other series.
Any new battle shounen in general unless I like a design of one of the girls for the porn
Pretty much every new isekai post rezero
Gintama - feels like a had to be there series when it was running
Quintuplets - same as above
Dungeon meshi - the show makes me hungry
FranXX- drop it around episode 8
Now that I think about it the last trigger thing I watch was promare. I haven’t seen gridman either. I forgot that was even a thing.
Fire emblem games - I don’t like the art style they have. Only the one with the atelier artist
Atelier games post Shallie - I did not like Sophie. Firis made me drop the series. It’s weird to see the series go from niche to mainstream with porn artist with ryza
Neptunia games - I tried them back in the vita days. I couldn’t get into them. Sad to see the series kind of just disappeared in the current era
Disgaea and nis games in general- I just don’t like them
Yakuza games - I don’t like the combat. I wish it was like shenmue where the combat feels like a fighting game
Tales of - I like tales of heart r. I put the rest in my backlog but I kind of just forgot
Etrian Odyssey - the only one in this list where I just hate the fans
Gacha games in general

>>6578
>>6587
I was for a while not thinking of getting into Monogatari, even more after watching Bishonen Tanteidan since, while I still liked it, it wasn't the best thing and I figured since it was by the same person they'd be similar. But I did eventually watch through Monogatari (the length wasn't even an issue, I enjoy longer series, even if Monogatari as a whole is longer than most stuff I watch) and glad I did because imo it's great.

>>6647
￥Pretty cure - I saw the first one. I like it but not enough to watch every other series.
I watched the original and Heartcatch and feel the same way. It's not the kind of magical girl stuff I like.
￥Dungeon meshi - the show makes me hungry
Eat while watching it.

>>6610
wow I'm going to study

>>6647
Precure seems like the kind of series where you just pick whichever one you want to watch and stick with it. Those who watch every single one scare me.
>>6648
You'll get fat if you eat during every episode!

>>6649
I need to fucking study but I can't understand shit, I knew I should've stayed at the farm...

>>6651
study the farm

>>6648
>>6650
hey psst don't tell anyone but i've heard that if watch hirogaru and make five threads about it on /secret/ you get a kissu pass free of charge just thought i'd let you know

>>6647
FranXX was something I could only watch with a friend. It was too similar in some beats to TTGL, so we mocked it relentlessly until it was over.
5/10 it was okay.

For video games:
There's stuff like gacha and the other "games as a service" stuff I won't touch which sadly means I lose out on a lot of stuff released these days. It's rather disappointing to see good designs wasted in this garbage and to see so much of it on boorus. This is true for vtubers, too, but I tire of saying why I hate those so I'll keep it to that. I guess I expected more from people.
I'm not really a competitive person so I tend to find far less enjoyment in multiplayer games where the value is in pure competition, like fighting games. Some of the solo stuff in those games can be fun, though.
FPS games tend to make me nauseous if they're too fast with the bunny hopping and rapid camera movement, which is how every multiplayer one operates so I just play solo ones once in a great while.
I'm not a fan of hyper realism, so I'd take Mario Kart over European Fast Car Simulator.
I dislike looking at characters purposely designed to be ugly, so there goes a large chunk of stuff released outside Asia.

Basically I like RPGs, VNs, single player action games and stuff where you build or explore. My post might make it seem like I dislike a lot of stuff, but I'm at least willing to try new things. I do still like stuff like Dark Souls where the competition is against the game instead of people. I think indie games are pretty much the future since they remind me of games of the past. Maybe A games as opposed to AAA or even AA.

For anime:
I'm pretty tolerant of a lot of genres save obvious things like BL. Otome can be good occasionally. I just don't have the patience for the more generic stuff. I want there to be something novel going on, even if it's minor. My brain just doesn't acknowledge them even if my eyes are scanning them on the seasonal page. Good writing/characters can save these shows, but it's hard to try them all when there's like 30 of them each season. It's really amazing how many of these things are produced each year.
I'm not a fan of quasi-realistic high school settings. This makes it seem like I hate romcom or pure romantic stuff, but in reality I just hate how they're all set in highschool between generic teenagers doing generic teenager things. That's not to say that the shows like the one last season where a middle-aged guy gets isekai'd with magical merchant abilities and gets a harem is inherently better, but it was at least novel and unpredictable.

The biggest thing I don't like in anime is the artsy fartsy/pretentious stuff. Things like Monogatari or recently Shoushimin Series are shows I can accept are good but not good for me. Instead of things like emotion and empathy to relate to characters it's replaced by symbolism or unnecessarily long speeches and I find it to be an exhausting way to communicate a story or concept. To me these shows feel like there's 20 minutes of story spread across 500 minutes.
I don't really like political intrigue that much, either, but if it's part of a greater story it's tolerable.

>>6658
Have you actually tried watching Monogatari at all, or are you just going on its reputation?

>>6658
>Instead of things like emotion and empathy
I think you've got the wrong words here. Emotion and empathy are on display quite a bit in both but it's through dialogue and tone that a majority of that is conveyed.

>>6647
>Etrian Odyssey - the only one in this list where I just hate the fans
What's wrong with the fans? Most of the ones I've run into were fine.

>>6638
>As an idolfag it feels like a property that was designed just to belittle me.
One of the biggest criticisms of OnK, before it truly went full retard, was actually that it turned out to be a lot more pro-idol than you'd think based on its first arc. You still shouldn't look into it, because it's bad, and was bad even before the last part.
>>6647
>but I don’t want to for some reason
What's the problem, don't wanna READ?

>>6659
Yes I watched it. Eye candy and style aside, it I did not particularly enjoy the experience and my brain turned off during large portions of it. There are a few moments of conventional, chronological cause-and-effect storylines that I enjoyed, but it didn't usually last long. The one middle-aged vampire guy (best character) had an episode or two where he went to locations and did stuff like he was a physical person in a world that had a goal to accomplish and I liked it, but those moments are the exception. I'm sure people probably think that was the weakest part if someone likes me enjoys it.
I've talked about this before on kissu a few times, but alas those threads have been lost to the sands of time.

>>6660
>it's through dialogue and tone that a majority of that is conveyed.
Emotion and empathy to me are something experienced through the scene through instinctual understanding instead of as told "directly" in a character's monologue through allusions and riddles.

>>6676
>told "directly" in a character's monologue
Maybe for Monogatari you’d be somewhat right, but it’s the complete opposite case in Shoushimin. Everything is conveyed through subtle hints of their actions vs what they say. Rarely, if ever, do the characters come out and clearly state how they feel.

>>6677
Oh, Shoushimin? Thought you meant Monogatari. Yeah, I can understand that one being a bit more empathetic, just in a way that I don't particularly find enjoyable. Shoushimin was largely just me losing interest in teenagers talking and talking and talking and me needing to devote focused effort to remembering hints and mind game stuff when I can't remember their names. This is where anime hair colors really shine.

>>6573
I don't watch modern sequels to anything anymore unless its a direct continuation or its some 1 man artistic project or something, I just want to experience new shit I'm tired of looking into the past. So I've done pretty much the same thing with Evangelion rebuilds, Madoka, etc

Honestly it'll probably sound dumb but the new Higurashi really solidified my belief in that. I realised that the OG turned out the way it did was pure luck from a monkey typewritter situation, not because Ryukishi had any real talent at all. Really destroyed my enjoyment of his works completely.

>>6647
I dropped Etrian Odyssey after I had discovered it's reliant on grind for you to progress, despite the original "anti-JRPG" premise.

>>6860
What do you consider grinding?
You don't ever need to grind to progress in that game outside of maybe the post game superboss.

>>6862
not him but i dropped 5 when after getting through the second stratum and defeating all the foes i reached the hippogryph, got repeatedly destroyed, and when i looked up any tips they all said i was underleveled by an important margin
i already had to grind for the golem and didn't want to do it again

>>6573
MMOs. I played WoW once before and I saw how it was going to monopolize my time, so I stopped. It's the same with everything else in that genre. I'd rather not play something that feels like a job.
In the same vein I avoid anything grindy, I think it's the worst way to pad out game time.

>>6888
You made the right choice. I have 3,200 hours in maplestory and I don't remember a single one of them fondly.

>>6647
>Fire emblem games - I don’t like the art style they have. Only the one with the atelier artist
What are you talking about? The series has a new art style at least every two or three games and it's usually just whatever the standard anime game style was at the time it was made.

>Neptunia games - I tried them back in the vita days. I couldn’t get into them. Sad to see the series kind of just disappeared in the current era
New game just came out a year ago.

>Etrian Odyssey - the only one in this list where I just hate the fans
git gud

None actually, at least the way I see it. There are plenty of things I have little or no interest in and will probably never watch/read/play, which is not the same as "refusing to engage" with them. Refusing to engage would be if there was something that had all the hallmarks of something I'm sure to enjoy, but also a dealbreaker that made me lose all desire to engage with it.

Much as I'd like to say I refuse to engage with gacha and vtubers, and it's true that I have zero interest in the source material, I have to admit they have lots of quality fan art and doujinshi, so that probably doesn't count either.

>>6573
Watanabe character designs were easily the best thing about Gousotsu.

>>6860
>original "anti-JRPG" premise
It's just a regular DRPG, only difference is the map drawing mechanic.

>>6573
Both the new Evangelion films and Hangyaku no Monogatari are incredibly important and you are missing something if you think things are have ended.

>>7053
￥the new Evangelion films [...] are incredibly important
They're sterile cash grabs pure and simple.

>>7055
They're really not.
They've made far too many, far too difficult decisions to be "sterile cashgrabs". After all, if they were going to be that, Khara would've gone with the original plan.

>>6591
exactly
I'm tired of telling people that Homura giving the red string of fate back to madoka and standing up and leaving the chair behind is her getting over it, that her dropping off the ledge is affirmation of life and novelty and not suicide, I've been doing it for 11 years already and it's only getting worse and worse in this fanbase

and also that's why Rebellion should have been the end of madoka magica, that is Homura's struggle for Madoka is over, the new movie is a cash grab. I wouldn't mind them doing something about Homura or new universe she created, but more madoka related shit is just...well, I'm getting really bad vibes, like higurashi sotsugou tier bad feeling about it, but I want to stay hopeful even if it will eventually lead to despair

>>7207
>her dropping off the ledge is affirmation of life and novelty and not suicide
what kind of fucking retarded teen interprets the ending as suicide??????

>>7208
a shitload of fanbase, even on /a/ and certainly on reddit and discord server(s)
The same kind of people whose main takeaway from madoka and homura's relationship is that "they look cute together" and their solution to the conflict presented is "they should honestly talk with each other"

the kind of people who think that Homura shot themselves through the head and not just grazed herself because they have no eyes and never thought to think about why there is a blood only on one side of her head and on the face

the kind of people who use works made after Rebellion to interpret Rebellion, like you can write them a few paragraphs about why Homura did what she did and they go like "BUT WRAITH ARC SAID" or "BUT IN MAGIRECO"

>>7207
>the new movie is a cash grab
Every film ever made, even for the most sincere reasons is a "cash grab". Film is hideously expensive and difficult, just the act of making one and that is without the cost of paying any compensation to anyone. Film is always a labor of love, even the most commercialized dogshit Adam Sandler "comedy", because you can't get a project like this over the finish line, if you don't believe in it.

>and also that's why Rebellion should have been the end of madoka magica
That assertion makes very little sense, because there is obviously a lot still unresolved.

>>7209
>their solution to the conflict presented is "they should honestly talk with each other"
It is, though. The whole issue is that Madoka and Homura have never spoken on even terms.

>>7210
>Film is always a labor of love, even the most commercialized dogshit Adam Sandler "comedy"
I heavily disagree with this. Those movies are made with the knowledge that they will sell no matter how little effort they put in and they will bank huge checks from it. It's a money cheat that worked out very well for the creators. Maybe some of the first ones were more labor of love but once that money train started to come in any love was 100% lost.

>>7211
>Those movies are made with the knowledge that they will sell no matter how little effort they put in and they will bank huge checks from it.
It doesn't matter. The problem is that it's hard. It's really, really difficult to make a film. It is a miracle something like a film industry exists at all, because short of going to war, there is no project you can dream up that is quite as difficult.
I'll say it again, the people doing it have to believe in it, otherwise your film is never getting made.
And even if all they believe in is the paycheck they get at the end, the sheer amount of hardship (no matter what your job is) is likely not covered by it.

>>7212
Even if your movie is just you fucking around on a luxury vacation where you and your friends are fucking around because you're going to be paid well for it?

>>7213
Actors are not the people making the movies, they are acting in it.

>>7210
>>7212
The existence of higurashi sotsugou proves you wrong. Ryukishi forgot the plot and characters, and didn't even care to remind himself. He even forgot that Satoshi was in medically induced coma and wrote a cringe scene where satoshi "wakes up" (did some nurse forget to administer the meds that day?)

Some fuck ass animator who works overtime for dog's worth of money can be doing a labor of love, but same can't be said about the bigger fishes involved in any projects. Or investors who are literally in just for money. Or even the fuck ass animator, he will do what he is told else he is fired.

>It is, though. The whole issue is that Madoka and Homura have never spoken on even terms.

They have during naked lesbian space hug. There Homura, who remembers all the timelines, talked to Madoka, who saw all the timelines. Not just one timeline's madoka, not the amnesiac lobotomized madoka from Rebellion. And that all knowing madoka told her what she wants.
But fuck does Homura care. Homura doesn't care. Homura only cares about the Promise she made to the 3rd timeline/2nd timeloop madoka whom she mercy killed and meaning of her own life, which she thinks is meaningless unless her struggle for madoka's normal life ends in victory. Madoka's honest wishes or anything of the sort don't play a role in the equation. Reading side materials like pic related is crucial to understanding Homura's character.

>>7215
>The existence of higurashi sotsugou proves you wrong
I dunno, I haven't seen it. But remember that not agreeing with creative decisions doesn't mean those decisions were made out of negligence.

>They have during naked lesbian space hug.
>There Homura, who remembers all the timelines, talked to Madoka, who saw all the timelines.
No, they haven't. Madoka was giving a monologue. Are you misremembering?

>the amnesiac lobotomized madoka from Rebellion
She is neither amnesiac, nor lobotomized. She is simply the Madoka from before everything. The flower field conversation is what drives Homura to do what she did. Prior to that she was faltering in her conviction, prior to that, she was ready to give up.
Sometimes I wonder if you are looking at the screen when you are watching something, because in case you missed it, the white flowers (Madoka's color after making her wish) turn purple (Homura's color).

>Homura doesn't care
This is completely false.

>Reading side materials like pic related is crucial to understanding Homura's character.
Side materials of all sorts are a blight. If it's not in the film, it might as well not exist. Only things that are in the film are in the film.

>>7217
>Only things that are in the film are in the film.

How many timeloops did Homu do?

>>7218
What is the significance of this information?

>>7219
Just curious, assuming you are that anon. What do you think.

>>7220
I know where you are going with this, it isn't exactly difficult to see. I'll ask again, why do you think this is relevant?

>>7221
because in the fanbase it's well known there are about 100 loops. So said butcher in some interview. This puts Homura's total timeloop time at about 12 years, which is extremely long time. She is mentally 26 by the time the series is over. This knowledge is very important in interpreting the movies, her actions and her character.

However, in the film we've only see 5 timelines (4 time loops). So if we go with the "only what is shown in the film counts" idea, then Homura's total loop time is about 6 months.

It's also important piece of info when discussing karmic destiny and madoka's power growth (was it slow over 100 loops or exponential in mere 4?) and some other subjects such as the canon status of spin offs and so on and so forth.

And you say it isn't significant?

>>7223
I would never believe anything that is well known in the fanbase, after all, things that are supposed well-known in the fanbase is why you couldn't talk about Eva even prior to the final film. People say a lot of things in interviews as well and I don't believe a single one of them. This also parallels the experience of talking about Eva very nicely, "but Anno said in an interview once", I don't care, Anno has said a lot of things. Same principle applies here.


>However, in the film we've only see 5 timelines (4 time loops). So if we go with the "only what is shown in the film counts" idea, then Homura's total loop time is about 6 months.
That is not correct at all. This might be confusing, but just because something isn't shown, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It is clear that a lot of time passed, because Homura changes quite a lot as she keeps trying.

I'd have gone with Rebellion being the 15th attempt by the way, based on another piece of side material, hypocritical as it may be. But it's technically also in the film, so it's fine.
I guess I was off the mark with your intentions, after all.

>karmic destiny and madoka's power growth
>the canon status of spin offs
I wouldn't really consider these to be too important, because neither of these things is significant in the context of Rebellion or Madoka as a whole.

>>7207
>>7209
>that's why Rebellion should have been the end of madoka magica, that is Homura's struggle for Madoka is over, the new movie is a cash grab.
Urobuchi's original 2009 script was modified, and by the anime's finale they had deliberately changed what was previously a conclusive ending into an open one to allow for continuation. Rebellion also has a brutally open ending, as they still wished for continuation. Both of these things are clearly stated in these interviews distributed at the time of its release:
https://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.html
Here's my summary of the events: Homura spends a considerable amount of time fighting in order to have survive, and only manages to find a resolution when she ascends into Madokami and remakes the world, making most people forget her. For Homura this is less than ideal, as shown by how upset she got during their final exchange, but she soldiers on despite her longing for Madoka. Later, QB sets up a trap for Madoka in the new world, successfully baiting her in a weakened form while allowing Homura to become detached from the Law of Cycles and approach witchhood. She chooses to wield this power to oppose him, and exploits the opportunity to take over and splinter Madoka, separating her incarnation from the Law, remaking things once more. Sayaka remembers this and threatens Homura. There's nothing controversial here, and it should be obvious to anyone watching both the final product that it was not made to have a clean conclusion. Nothing like the original ending of Higurashi, which does conclude things well and appropriately.
>"BUT WRAITH ARC SAID" or "BUT IN MAGIRECO"
These can be written off due to not being written by Urobuchi and thus secondary, but with Kaiten he returns as writer of the screenplay. An interesting comment from him:
>Urobuchi: Honestly, I think some will beautify it and some will reject it completely. These days, static characters who don’t change are popular, and if characters ever change even a little bit there’ll be people who’ll call that out-of-character and get angry. In this movie, Homura grows, and she changes. In the end, I’m a little worried as to whether people will accept a character like her. If they’ll think she’s OOC, or that she’s evolved. I’ll be happy if people accept that Madoka Magica is the kind of drama where characters grow and change like this. But that’s up to the viewers to decide.
>Urobuchi: Even in “Star Wars”, Anakin is a cute little kid in Episode I, but by Episode III he grows up to be Darth Vader. But you know, “that’s how stories are”. I think the choice of whether or not to accept that is up to the viewers.

>>7217
>Only things that are in the film are in the film.
No product of a franchise in the animanga industry stands alone. It feeds off openness and supplementary material.

>>7228
>No product of a franchise in the animanga industry stands alone.
That's like your opinion and stuff.
You are fully comfotable with writing other things off, so why not write everything off, except for the film that was made?

>>7229
You fail to understand.
It's not "every single thing has connected lore and it should all be taken into account", it's the fact that the industry lives off fan engagement, which it fuels by drawing out plotlines as long as possible and pumping out side material to further entertain the community with more things to chew on, which people then use to speculate and build fan scenarios. That's the basic modus operandi, to reject this reality is simply ignorance. But trying to account for every single spinoff out there leads to incoherence, because they often include reinterpretations or flat out retcons, so the most effective thing is to engage with side material written by the same authors and at the same time as the main material. Therefore, a booklet being given out to people going to watch the movie (which is the source of >>7215's pic) and a concurrent interview are considerably more valid and useful for understanding a work, and this is done deliberately, by design.

>>7231
Well, I disagree. The booklet is not in the film. The interview is not in the film. The things that are in the film are in the film.
I say this in, perhaps, a slightly exaggerated way, but my point is that you don't need supplementary material to fully understand what is happening. To borrow from Urobuchi's interview, you fully understand everything if you just watch Star Wars Episode 1, Episode 2 and Episode 3. There is no need for the animated TV show to explain what is happening in the Star War or the sequels which show what happens after that Star War. Three films and the things that are in the film are more than enough.

You don't need a single bit of supplementary material, all you need are functioning eyes. Just look at the screen and everything is clear.

>>7232
the reason why all that info isn't in the film is because putting them in the film would interfere with pacing and limited time they have so they released this info separately

>>7239
>all that info isn't in the film
but virtually all of it is

>so they released this info separately
so it isn't all that important, is it? Otherwise, they'd have found a way to put it in the film.

>>7240
films are made to make money and compared to books or games, are extremely restricted in time and how much info they can realistically communicate to the audience. They are also very expensive. The info that for one reason or another couldn't be fit into a little over 2 hours of film had to be communicated to the audience through other mediums

This isn't like JK Rowling going like "Actually dumbledor was gay" over 10 years later. It's information that was released together with the movie, at the same date. You getting to know this info in order to understand the movie is part of the design.

>>7241
>The info that for one reason or another couldn't be fit into a little over 2 hours of film had to be communicated to the audience through other mediums
The info that couldn't be fit into the film is worthless, because if it was important, it would be in the film. Why do you struggle with this idea?

Besides, I don't think that Rebellion or most other films really struggle with information density. Film is extremely-information dense and it can uniquely do so in ways that don't feel cumbersome. Because unlike a book, a film has images and unlike a video game a film doesn't need to assume that the average person watching it is a complete idiot.

>>7232
>you don't need supplementary material to fully understand what is happening.
In the context of this conversation, where people were saying that the story should've ended with episode 12 or Rebellion, an interview from the approrpriate time where the authors explicitly tell you they made both of their endings open on purpose is indeed a crucial piece of information that is absent from the anime and movie. It's one thing to debate how good the ending is, it's another to have confirmation that it's leaving out stuff for later. This is important, but it's not something that can be found unambiguously inside the film.
>>7242
>Film is extremely-information dense
This is a strange hill to die on. Film and television are infamous for their necessity to crush all prose with a comically large steamroller when adapting a book of any sort, because audiences don't want to listen to ten hours of narration. Even with two long movies, Dune's worldbuilding and subversion got annihilated.

>>7243
>In the context of this conversation, where people were saying that the story should've ended with episode 12 or Rebellion
Well, these people are obviously wrong, because they could've just watched it, no? It's all there in what you watched.

>it's not something that can be found unambiguously inside the film
It's very unambiguous that the story hasn't ended, that there are still important things left unresolved.

>Film and television are infamous for their necessity to crush all prose with a comically large steamroller when adapting a book of any sort
You know what this steamroller is? Pictures.
Most things that rely heavily on lengthy descriptions can fit into one or a handful of pictures. Film has a different rhythm for that reason. Another tool film has is time. In film, you can control how quickly time passes, how quickly the audience experiences things.


>Dune's worldbuilding and subversion got annihilated
Of course, because you can't convey pages upon pages of worldbuilding in film, because nobody cares to listen to that. You have to weave it into your fiction, you have to let it breathe naturally. This is difficult and often requires difficult decisions.
In the case of Dune, a more drastic departure from the source material may have been necessary.
Nobody was ever going to be happy with a Dune film no matter what. There are things you cannot do in film, but it's not an issue of information density.

>>7245
You sound like someone who doesn't like books.

>>7246
I could say the same about you and film.

>>7247
Not really, no.

>>7248
You seem extremely resistant to the idea that information can be conveyed in ways other than dialogue. What is this, if not disliking film? Dialogue is the least relevant thing in film.
You keep insisting that you need this or that supplementary material to understand Rebellion. And I genuinely don't understand this attitude, because the film shows everything you need to know on screen. And if it's not there, then it's irrelevant. After all, film has a limited time budget.

And you are correct, there is a certain of book I dislike. Lengthy, annoying genre fiction obessed with worldbuilding and fictional metaphysics. I don't like lengthy series. I don't like science fiction.

>>7249
Your stance is extreme purism:
>Only things that are in the film are in the film.
This goes contrary to any form of thorough analysis, which prefers to look for the context surrounding a work. All works have a certain level of context required for understanding them, which are not necessarily self-evident. This is extremely basic stuff, and stances opposing yours are... basically all of them, but you have extrapolated simple points to mean some sort of idiocy that beyond what has been said in this thread. I may not agree with >>7215 that a booklet is crucial to understand Homura, but in light of the debate I do think it's helpful. What was insisted is that various forms of supplementary material are indeed a supplement, which shouldn't be hard to accept.

>>7251
>Only things that are in the film are in the film.
You are aware that this is a polemic statement, right?

>which prefers to look for the context surrounding a work
And there is nothing wrong with that, we can gladly study the environment that led to this or that being made and why it is the way it is, but this is distinct from describing what something is ("the things thay are in the film"). And even then, I'd always be wary of post-hoc rationalizations by creators. People will twist and turn the truth, it's better to just look at what they've made. Interviews are bad sources for that reason.

Supplementary material may be nice, but it is as you pointed out supplementary, optional, unnecessary.

>>7252
>You are aware that this is a polemic statement, right?
I do, yes, but you still don't understand. When I pointed out a piece of supplementary information was relevant and useful, your reply was that they should git gud, just get better at watching the film and then they would've had the correct interpretation from the get-go without any need to consult it. Your whole input so far has been an elaborate non-answer. Even now you bring up "post-hoc rationalizations" and say all interviews are bad, as if me and >>7241 hadn't already pointed out that there are obviously differences in how truthful a supplement can be.

>>6573
I refuse to engage with anything related to Memerashi, Memeneko, Memepara, 07 expansion or whatever, F*te and Katawa Shoujo. Visual novels put me to sleep, I fucking hate reading unless I actually learn something of value, the only thing I can read without getting bored is DIY skill-building books.

>>7256
ryukishi DOMINATING this list absolute god of vns

>>7257
I forgot to add, Muv-Luv too. Everyone kept sucking it's cock and saying how it was the greatest thing ever so I tried to give Muv-Luv alternative a chance. By the time I encountered the girl with the dumb hair vents for the first time I was already bored to tears and dropped it then and there. That's when I realized VNs are not for me.

>>7256
I'm not sure Nekopara really fits in with the rest of those...

Won't touch anything with vtubers. Otherwise I don't really care, generally open to anything but if I can't engage with it, it's more likely just because I don't have the time for it.

>>7258
well no shit if you jumped into alternative without reading the previous two first
that being said, don't beat yourself over it. you don't have to like vns, and no one will eat you for it. hopefully.

>>7260
same, vtubers are cancer. actually youtubers are cancer. now you'd think that concept of youtuber except it's a cute anime girl instead of soyjack man making faces is a good idea, but it isn't. I'd rather watch a video that is focused on the subject matter and not on the person presenting the subject matter.

>>7249
>And you are correct, there is a certain of book I dislike. Lengthy, annoying genre fiction obessed with worldbuilding and fictional metaphysics. I don't like lengthy series.

so this is the core of the issue. you don't like reading. you don't like the idea of having to read anything other then subtitles to understand a movie. so you pretend it's not necessary to justify you not doing that and still keeping the moral superiority of being a person who understands movies.

>>7261
>you don't like the idea of having to read anything other then subtitles to understand a movie
Clearly, you don't like reading, since that's not at all what I wrote.