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 No.5917

Do I watch it in Chinese or Japanese?

 No.5919

Whatever language the director speaks because that way you can know the voices carry the intended feelings.

 No.5921

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If their goal is to copy the Japanese and they even get Japanese actors to try and fool people then you might as well go with the pleasant sounding language rather than one on the opposite of the spectrum.
Why would it even be a question? *shudder*

 No.5922

If there is an option to not listen to Chinese, I will always take that option.

 No.5923

Japanese, always

 No.5926

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Guys,
There's a bit of a problem.
The lip syncing is Chinese

 No.5932

It's over... China knows how to make a good anime... better than Korea

 No.5933

Man, how did they do it. They beat American and Korea to making the first Japan tier cartoon.

 No.6171

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>>5933
If you want to know a bit of history, Japan out of Asia had the earliest animations done in Asia as early as 1907 and imported foreign films by 1912, China did not start until around the 1918 with experimenting and looking at US animations like out of Out of the Inkwell. But once they did that, they scaled up and out the fastest releasing their first animated feature in 1922 with an animated advert on TV and with that, the Wan brothers in Shanghai managing to master and produce animations with their own unique style at scale to the point where once Disney released Snow White in 1937, they went off trying to copy the styling and everything to make Princess Iron Fan, based off a story in Wukong which was the first animated film in Asia released while World War II was raging on and it eventually influenced the budding anime industry. China then obviously lost the crown due to the CCP taking over and then it took a long time from around 1993 after the government loosened control over the industry from needing approval and mostly making propaganda.
The main advantages this afforded them was that by starting late, China in rebuilding its industry adopted a lot of controversial new techniques. They had a budding Flash scene there that did a lot of animation there and there was some limited import of that to the West if you remember Xiao Xiao and all the other stickmen animation. It wasn't only limited to that but to other things as well like webtoons. This translated to using CGI and yes, they did some horrendous stuff with it. As a result however, today, Chinese animation has gotten to a place where they have enough people that can stylize anime pretty effortlessly and with CGI experience, even if it is "taboo" to watchers that want hand drawn everything, they can lower costs and make things with less difficulty. China having a lead in AI is also going to change things, the fact that you can now generate convincing 5 second clips and you can't tell it from outsourced in between slop is going to obsolete a lot of outsourcing and make things even cheaper. Japan may still have an artisanal quality advantage but the gap is closing quite fast. Soon, Japan's only contribution might just be the storywriting.

 No.6546

>>5922
This. Even if they've written a good story Chinese will always be one of the most harsh languages to listen to. It's why all the big gacha have a predominant Japanese voice option. Everyone realizes that of all the big Asian languages it just sounds the best. Even amongst world languages Japanese is probably in the top 5 or 3 at least in terms of pleasantness of sound.

 No.6558

>>6171
>the fact that you can now generate convincing 5 second clips and you can't tell it from outsourced in between slop
I hope you don't mean the 5 second clip you posted because that is god fucking awful all over.

 No.6560

I think that because it's CGI it inherently separates itself from the conceptions that it has to perfectly imitate Japanese animation. So while korea to tries to carbon copy Japan and it feels janky or low effort and completely overhyped, when they do it in 3D with 2D scenes people approach it from the idea that it's not Japanese content even though it definetly is strongly inspired by it.
So the thing that makes it good is that it naratively tries to be Japanese while rejecting the idea that it's copying the animation.

 No.6563

>>6546
mandarin chinese isn't that bad, it has simple consonant clusters, a good deal of nice glides, and lots of open syllables that work in its favor when sung
what drags it down is being tonal (which is often ignored when singing), but otherwise it isn't really isn't much worse than a germanic or slavic language by whatever metric you choose to evaluate it
the really terrible one is korean as i learned when trying out project moon games, it explains why so much of their pop music is straight-up english
>>6171
>Princess Iron Fan
i've seen a couple people say chinks always trial everything with journey to the west so that tracks

 No.6607

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>>6563
>but otherwise it isn't really isn't much worse than a germanic or slavic language
this is abuse against germanic or slavic languages

 No.6612

>>6607
songs usually showcase a language at its best AND YET you use this chance to post an example that is at best utterly mediocre, with a hideous velar trill and dorsal fricatives in final position
you cannot even BEGIN to grasp how cursed the germanic sound system is, you are uninitiated

 No.6665

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>>6558
Right but in betweens are not that great in quality either. I wanted to show something that was more the average in output quality for what you would put in but for better AI results, the slower motion stuff is where it is already way better on average.

 No.6667

>>6665
bocchi the slop

 No.6689

>>6665
AI will never be able to make a full high quality anime because I've never seen the true limits of AI being addressed by any upgrades in tech. Sure, it'll get better and start to look more average as time goes on and may actually end up looking better than your usual korean outsourced crapped out on a budget isekai, but it will never in a million/trillion years surpass Ghibli or anything close to it in animation quality. This is because the thing AI lacks most is control. You can't specifically control what moves and how and the exact manner in which it is moving. I've tried it on every single AI model every single time one's come out and it's never worked, I've never been able to replicate the idea in my head 1 for 1 with it. So anything that requires precise intention in movements will be relegated to those who can actually put out high quality animation. And maybe it'll be a good thing if the studios that slave away animators for slop are forced to step up their game because AI can shit it out faster than them.

 No.6698

>>6689
No one is contesting that, the main issue is if it is good enough to edit and splice together stuff inside a well made anime. I would say not at the moment to that.

The only immediate impact for now that is going to be targeted by this is in betweens where some atrocious outsourcing quality work is being done. Keyframes by and large will still need to be drawn but it is going to be cheaper to use interpolation or first and last frame AI to splice together a sequence of your choice from two drawn keyframes with what an AI gives you in that budget vs outsourcing the drawing of that sequence to South East Asia where it will be lower quality anyways. So you will have less keyframes drawn and more stuff to guess in between for that sequence to happen. Twins Hinahima is going even farther with using the rough sketches and turning it into the images needed which is dumb because whatever they are using is super unrefined. For in-betweens, that quality loss is negligible.

 No.6906

this episode was some seriously high quality action

 No.6912

>>6698
>Twins Hinahima is going even farther with using the rough sketches
This is actually a lie. It’s all “anime” filters overlayed atop CG models.

 No.6956

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>>6698
And literally not even a week later, China came out with a better AI model for anime from Bilibili, China's Crunchyroll basically. This is their 2nd model and first original model after their first model was a finetune.
https://huggingface.co/IndexTeam/Index-anisora
You can still see the AI aspect of it but this probably obsoletes most of the terrible inbetweening we see in anime right now even if you could only choose a limited amount of generated outcomes.
>>6912
Ouch. That is even worse.

 No.7081

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another cool episode.
I wonder if they'll actually be able to wrap this up in a season.
But still every episode has been worth watching so far




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