Cute Kreia during her academy years.

>>2009
I don't think she became jaded that early. It has to have been an idea that came up after her second exile.

if i recall correctly, kreia was first light, then fell to dark, and then moved past into grey
sophie seems to have an inverse arc, starting off from the assumption that the pervading power itself is bad, and drifting into the light through the positive influence of others (possibly)

>>5210
>then moved past into grey
This is a common misconception perpetuated by pseuds. There is no "grey" in Star Wars, the term is just used to refer to people like Jolee who have formal Jedi training, have not fallen to the dark side, but are not a part of the Order. They are light side entities.

Kreia, however, did fall to the dark side and she never unfell, she just masked it well. Her eternally grey background is her doing to you what Sheev did to the jedi walking into his office every day. You could argue that she wasn't a Sith after they exiled her, at least until she went back to Malachor, but she was never redeemed and explicitly refuses redemption if you offer it to her.

>>5222
there is a worthwhile distinction to be made in that her relationship to the force is very different from that of the sith, who would never think of destroying their own power source much less for the sake of the galaxy
her dream project in no way ends with her on top or in a position of power, on the contrary, and would be the ultimate measure against anyone ever again falling to the dark

>>5226
>for the sake of the galaxy
It was for the sake of a personal grudge, a final betrayal against everyone who had betrayed her. Because no Jedi would never give up their power source either, save for one. She's old, she's been cast out of everywhere she belonged, and her life's greatest accomplishment has been denied by those she most despises, she has already consigned herself to her fate and only hopes to raise another as great as Revan who will prove to all the failures in her life that they are wrong.

>>5331
>>for the sake of the galaxy
>It was for the sake of a personal grudge
not incompatible
her constant sermons are not predicated on purely reactionary chantard contrarianism, they have a logic to them: on the macro, that the force drives an endless cycle of conflict that's ultimately harmful for all, and on the micro that relying on external sources of strength (including the force) actually makes you weaker in the end
that she developed these ideas through loss and resentment does not mean they are simply an excuse for revenge, if they were she would've settled for something far simpler, and wouldn't have found the exile (and no one else) to be such a promising model for future life

Why not just let yourself become apathetic towards magic rather than let it consume your mind. Surely there’s healthier ways for her to live.

>>5334
She thinks things through and always sees the big picture, but her motives are still pretty mundane. She wants to teach the Exile, she wants to show the Jedi masters they were wrong and she was right, and she wants to put an end to Sith that cast her out. There was no simple way to take out Nihilus and getting the Jedi to admit their mistakes was impossible even with all she did. She doesn't think the force makes you weaker either, else she wouldn't have taught it to you, she just realizes that relying on it creates a vulnerability.

>>5409
She doesn't have any other skills or connections.

>>5425
>She doesn't think the force makes you weaker either
she does
consider pic and the importance she places on the individual's independent will, and consider her disdain for the impact of the force's will on everyone that she expresses in the final speech you quoted, that's why she calls it a poison
it's not just a vulnerability, it goes against her general philosophy and that's why she calls it a mistake
the power of revan and of the exile that she refers to is the power to easily create force bonds, and severing these bonds after creating them was the tool that she wished to use to ultimately destroy people's sensitivity to the force
because she is pragmatic and cares more about consequentialism than deontology or virtue ethics, she is willing to betray her ideal and allows you to form these bonds and influence others in the same way she decides to restore your force sensitivity, to manipulate you into fulfilling her goals
but at the same time, because she cares so much about autonomy, she tells the exile with her dying breath that she'll respect any choice they make, it's their decision, not hers, after placing herself as obstacle to lead the exile to more personal growth
she believes in these things, and isn't simply wielding them as an excuse

>>5452
First of all, Revan wasn't particularly gifted in force bonds. He himself commented on how the Exile was unique in this and how it would lead to his downfall.
Second, Kreia only used force bonds to guide the Exile and his crew, her plan was to stack immense tragedies like Malachor together in just the right way that their echoes would make it impossible to hear the Force over.

She states that Revan was like the heart of the Force and that "Revan was power" and she adamantly refuses to believe a single thing he did was wrong or flawed. He was her perfect student. She also frequently acknowledges the great strengths one can gain from the Force and looks down on those with no understanding of it. She chides Hanharr for letting his code hold back his strength, in the same way the Jedi and Sith let theirs prevent them from calling forth their full power. His strength doesn't make him weaker, quite the contrary, it's his inability to let go of what gave him that strength that is limiting him. It's the same with Sion and Nihilus, they are immensely powerful, but they've completely lost control of themselves in the process and are thus failures. For her, success is being like Revan, someone who was always true to himself no matter what side he fell under.

It's her pragmatism that makes her teach and use it even if she hates the large scale implications of it, though part of that is her own inability to escape her past as a high-minded Force scholar. Autonomy is not her primary concern. She is mad about the dualistic nature of the Force resulting in her being doubly exiled, but she is a teacher above all and her primary objective was always to raise another as great as her first. That is simply more important to her than her disgust towards the living force and so she sets the Exile up to decide his own path after graduation.

Big season for Kreias. This one is a teacher and a sneaky betrayer who hides his presence too.