I heard about this thing called a Swytch conversion kit. Don't know anything about it though. I don't even own a bike.

>too much money/license/etc stuff
Yup. Want to get a moped but just process of obtaining the license costs as much as if not more than a moped. Not to mention the time commitment of having to take lessons for a couple weeks/months.

I have a normal bicycle. I've been biking to/fro w*rk for the past 3 years, a total of one hour of biking everyday. That's probably what's keeping me healthier than the average w*rking-human. Honestly, I don't think I want to get any automotive way of transportation anymore, I'd like to keep this rare chance of working out for a little longer.
I've seen people on ebikes, they're very much faster than normal ones. It's astounding they don't require a license to operate.
If you do get a normal one, make sure you get a good one with a decent gear system; makes bike life very much easier. I got the cheapest one I could find, it didn't have gears, was quite the struggle going around town, especially uphill. Had to give up and exchange it (+ some additional amount) for a second hand one with gear.
I enjoy my 30 min bike rides, listening to my favorite songs, feeling the wind, looking at the scenery. If I had the time, I'd want to go touring on my bike but alas. However, makes me hate the rain. Nothing worse than riding when its raining, for that you'd need a car.

>>3956
Yeah, I would prefer getting some exercise, but I'm paranoid about having trouble making it home while hauling stuff.
The appeal of the ebike is having natural bicycle pedaling by default, but then some assistance when needed or just some comfort that I know I won't be stranded somewhere. (I tend to be overly anxious/paranoid and any peace of mind is good)

I saw this channel which is also attached to a website. Seems quite informative, but I'd definitely look around before I make any decisions. I'm definitely looking at the "cargo" bikes that have room to transport groceries/etc.

>>3957
Oh, but $2000 seems too extreme, and that's probably a 'budget' model with the good stuff being 2-3x more. Yeesh. Regular bicycles are looking better...

>>3957
I don't know how ebikes work, would the whole thing turn useless if you had a major problem in the electronic aspect or does it just turn into a normal bike no matter what goes wrong?
>hauling stuff
Yeah, I've had trouble with this. I go grocery shopping once a week so there's quite the amount of goods to haul back home. I've a basket at the front but it's not very big. Thankfully the place I shop at gives you free cardboard boxes to pack your stuff into, I use a rope to tie it on the metal thing on the back above the rear wheel. Though, another place where having good range of gears comes in handy.
Picrel is what my bike is like.

>>3959
Hmmm... yeah, seems like that back design is good. Have you heard about, uhh... what was the term... panniers? Won't fit anything huge in them, but seem like a good idea.

>>3960
Indeed, seems like a good idea but also seems very gay. Like a fanny pack for your bike.
A plastic box would probably be cheaper than them. Also worries me about the balance of the bike.

>>3961
It's not gay, it's French. I don't think it's possible to look cool on a bike, so you must as well embrace it.

The problem of bikes is that they limit your speed, range and weight capacity. So you always have to own a car, but they are nice for short distances. But I live in a fucking desert and using one is practically useless, because you'll die without AC. Last time I wanted a bike was when I was a kid... Nowadays I just want a humvee with a MG3 machine gun attached...
>>3962
French is synonym of gay... So it's like saying, "It's not gay, it's homosexual" Ok dude... Whatever you want to call it.

>>3963
is this demon tired from too much semen

>>3964
Not the case, she is a semen demon who just happens to be tired.

>>3965
she should get an ebike

>>3959
>would the whole thing turn useless if you had a major problem in the electronic aspect or does it just turn into a normal bike no matter what goes wrong?
Forgot to answer this. Yeah, it can operate as a regular bicycle, although one that's a bit heavier than a regular one because it has a motor and stuff. I think there are different methods of using one, like having it do most of the work or it just offering a little bit of assistance.

>>3966
Yeah, normal bikes are bad because she'll get tired due to exercise, but building muscle is bad for a semen demon who has to look nice and cute. So ebikes are a good option for daily chores like going to the convenience store for more energy drinks.

>>3967
Yeah, if you're willing to build some leg muscles, the manual bike is far less likely to leave you stranded. Strange thing is, I used to have a bike when I was a kid, the chain would come off quite often. Never have had that happen this time around. Wonder if bikes got better or I just had a kuso bike back then.

How much stuff do you tend to buy on an average trip? How much time would it take for a round trip? Do you live in a building and need to take stairs/elevator?
I had an Escooter and switched to a regular bicycle for the health and stamina benefits which I see jack shit of. There are pros and cons to most of these things.
Bicycles, powered or not, have more potential capacity for carrying. Get one with a rear rack and a cage, front racks don't have as much capacity because it has to account for the fact that it messes with the steering wheel (swiveling left and right due to unbalanced load).
The weight difference between a bike with or without a motor is pretty significant, with an ebike you won't be able to just hoist your bike and waddle into your house, not easily at least. This weight difference also makes manually pedaling with an ebike much harder, people who cycle as a sport try to keep the total weight as minimal as possible because everything adds up over time and distance.
Regular bicycles (depending on which one you get) are much lighter and not much different to ebikes, but now its a matter of your stamina VS the road you have to take. Hills and distance, all that shit. Take note that there's also a lot of maintenance, in the year I've had my bicycle I've somehow had both foot pedals break on me, punctures to deal with, replacing brake pads (if you're getting a bicycle, get one with a disc brake system), just a whole lot of headaches that are not fun nor rewarding to deal with, no matter how much enthusiasts claim otherwise.
An escooter is lighter to carry and ride, but your storage is limited to a backpack and maybe a fanny cage on the steering wheel. Depending on which one you get, you can go a long time without much maintenance hassle. I was a dumbfuck and misread the instructions and hadn't even realized that the tires needed an air refill for over a year, and I barely noticed a drop in performance until the back tire practically popped and ripped. I don't know why I assumed it's okay but don't ride off of ledges and steps, even if its like 3 or 5 inches.
So to reiterate
￥ escooters are relatively light and very portable. Very limited storage capacity. minimum maintenance.
￥ unpowered bikes have decent capacity, but no motor means it's all on you and your legs. Medium maintenance, more or less depending on the quality of the parts. You might also need to eat more food overall due to the energy expending. Compared to before I feel like i almost need a whole extra meal to get through the day, a proper meal and not snacks.
￥ Ebike has capacity and you can just press button to go, meaning everything but the beginning and the last bit of the trip is smooth. Likely even more maintenance than a regular bicycle.
Obviously, aside from parking to get business done, don't leave your shit outside. ebikes are magnets for part thieves, but besides that, I see people leaving their manual bikes chained up to random posts and benches outside and that just a recipe for frequent trips to a bicycle shop for fixes and derusting.

You should also check if your area is asking for a licensing for motored transport. Parts of the world are now requiring a license for escooters and bikes. If you have a drivers license it should cover that though, in which case depending on the local rules you'll just need to install a license plate

How do you guys deal with security on your low-tech, no license transport?

As far as I know, for bicycles (arguably the cheapest option overall) and tricycles (also there's your cargo option, bro. >>3957 Probably poorly compatible with typical bike racks), you'd need angle grinder-tested OnGuard or Hiplok kind of U-locks, with proper techniques of locking your bike. But any smartass thief could try attacking the bike frame, or the bike rack frame itself (many such cases). Typical GPS trackers on the market are laughable as they're externally-mounted in one way or another, and a strong magnet or a good small hammer smash or two would mess them up.

I just think how I'd need to hide modules for DGPS (and an external market GPS tracker as a decoy) and GSM in some part of the frame where they won't be jammed or found, and maybe some module for LR-FHSS also, all powered enough for long-term function and additionally supplied by the dynamo/alternator, and it's such a pain in the ass since an external module would be as visible as a market one and can be stolen separately, and typical low-tech vehicle frames are exactly too narrow for any of such things to be housed. And the cost would get ridiculous. Plus if I won't be retrieving the bicycle/whatever due to malfunctioning or whatever this'll be a huge financial loss.

All the feasible and reliable ways to protect your property while you're away are unfortunately either illegal or costly. Or involve an armed friend wait and watch your bikes while you're away.
No license plates means police wouldn't care to even think about tracking your stolen bike.

So the only simple, legal, sensible add-on for the market options is either having the bike always with you or to have it reliably locked up in some storage. This means also not entering places that don't allow you to carry your bike with you all the time. This also means you're more of a target for burglaries and assaults as there are also criminals riding in pairs or groups on a motor bike, car, van, ready to grab your stuff, threaten you with hammers, knives, and angle grinders, and floor it.
A biggy brain would try to get by with cheapest but functional enough second-hand bike I guess (that's not stolen) so you don't feel like you'd have to worry about custom security.
You could also own a dog and mark your vehicle with a very distinct scent you've trained it to track.

>Does kissu have any slow-ish two-wheeled methods of locomotion that they enjoy?
Anyhow no. This is why I powerwalk everywhere and don't own any transportation for now. With a motor scooter or a car, my brain would just explode.

>>3971
>How do you guys deal with security on your low-tech, no license transport?
I'm fortunate to live in a place without many criminals.

>>3971
>How do you guys deal with security
I've never had to park out in the open, there's always a bike parking area. How often do people have to park their bikes out in the open...

>>3971
>How do you guys deal with security on your low-tech, no license transport?
Make it look cheaper and harder to steal than the nearest other option.

A basic frame lock and a chain lock are usually enough in areas with enough traffic that thieves can't operate an angle grinder unnoticed. If you really can't bear to leave it unattended, folding bikes are a thing, but those are a bit more expensive and look even more French.

>A biggy brain would try to get by with cheapest but functional enough second-hand bike
Exactly. Go for a modest-looking (possibly second-hand) bike you can afford to replace, because if it gets stolen, you're not getting it back anyway no matter how many precautions you took. In most places, the bigger risk is damage from idiots bumping into it.

>>3974
> enough in areas with enough traffic that thieves can't operate an angle grinder unnoticed
There is enough video footage of thieves fearing no one but an armed owner returning too soon for their liking, just something more to consider

>>3975
If your thoughts jump straight from "bicycle theft" to "armed confrontation", I recommend staying inside.

I don't really have anything to add to the topic (I own a bicycle, but I hate using it because I'm fat), but I just noticed our names showing here as "Anonyaamous"??

>>3977
We're cats now. We're gonna need smaller bikes.

>>3977
Oops. Must have been a holdover from last year.

>>3970
>This weight difference also makes manually pedaling with an ebike much harder
Yes, a video I watched just mentioned this! Apparently they're like 60-100 pounds (27-45kg). This ties into >>3971 because I've read that models can come with a password system or geo, uh, geo-something that disables the bike when GPS detects it's outside of a grid location. Stealing a light bike and carrying it is easy, doing it with this weight in such an awkward shape seems much more difficult. You'd need a criminal enterprise for it. (which do surely exist of course)
I also read that it's recommended to use multiple locks to increase the time and effort required to steal it and you should park it in highly visible areas. I saw a reddit post that specifically mentioned angle grinders and none of the locks actually stop them, just delay things. Each lock is 12-20 seconds, but the process is highly visible and loud.

Anyway, yeah, it seems like escooters probably aren't the thing for me. If I had the money I'd get both since scooters are cool.

>You should also check if your area is asking for a licensing for motored transport.
Good idea. I don't think this area would since it's generally backwards and 50 years behind on everything, but I should read up on it.

>>3972
>I'm fortunate to live in a place without many criminals.
I think my area is relatively safe, too, with open spaces so I wouldn't be parking a bike in an alley or anything.

>>3981
>I think my area is relatively safe, too, with open spaces so I wouldn't be parking a bike in an alley or anything.
It's less about living in a safe area and more about finding safe spots. Whenever there's an alley around, there's also a larger street within walking distance with more traffic. Streets tend to have infrastructure like lamp posts, fences, garbage bins, billboards, etc. Chain your bike onto that stuff, where people can see each other noticing if anything suspicious happens. That's the key to bypassing the bystander effect. Most bike thieves are opportunists who know from experience to go elsewhere.

>>3976
Bike thief hands typed this post. . .

>>3983
The hands of someone who only once had his bike stolen (as a kid who left it unlocked) typed that post.
I still walk around unarmed, and that has deterred everyone ever since.

Now, I can see you thinking: "How do you ride a bike without arms?"
Very carefully.

i never learned how to ride a bike

>>3985
Anonymous (with attached fake arms)

>>3977
>(I own a bicycle, but I hate using it because I'm fat)
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