Absolutely insane that you delete posts for disagree with you about Wikipedia.

Kissu isn't here for you to educate the sheeple. That thread is about wikipe-chan. No one wants the /g/ ramblings in a thread about the old mascot culture imported from Japanese internet.

And I don't even know (or care to know) whatever opinion it is you have.
I already had to delete posts in this thread because people want to crap all over one of the parts of the imageboard sphere that isn't about vomiting out opinions no one asked for:
>>33814
>>33815

>>34308
You said in >>33815 that you deleted precisely because you disagreed with the opinion. Furthermore, it is "/g/ ramblings", that site is a niche forum run by a critic for over 21 years who write an entire book on the subject.

>>34309
You specifically said "3 deletions from three different people for a thread about wikipedia because of their contrarian indoctrination. This is a sign that I need to be harsher in the future."
On the topic of things you should actually be harsher on, why haven't you deleted the posts complain about "non-white foreigners" in Japan? I know you've already moderated that thread. Insane hypocrisy to call this political.

>>34310
I disagree with the "opinion" being anything worthwhile to ruin a thread over. There deserves to be a place on the internet where people can talk about moe anthropomorphization without people bringing their /g/ baggage into the thread.

>>34311
If you want action on a post I haven't seen, then report it. Don't save it as ammo to unleash upon me for a lack of omniscience when you receive moderator action.
I only skim those "talk about Japan" threads as they don't interest me much.

>>34312
It's not "/g/ baggage", it's a niche forum that goes back 21 years run by very knowledgeable people. If you're looking for /g/ garbage, just go to /maho/, it's full of it.
>>34312
This is pretend and you know it. This site talks about real world stuff (and even highly controversial politics) all the time. This is far from the most controversial or most objectionable thing on this site. Again, just look at thread with the person complaining about non-whites.

>>34313
Here you go: https://kissu.moe/qa/thread/172973#173018

The thing I'd actually love a site which completely bans all real world and non-moe talk, but this site isn't. It only pretends to be when mods want to justify arbitrary removals.

>>34314
>it's a niche forum that goes back 21 years run by very knowledgeable people
I don't care. The thread is about wikipe-tan (why did I call her chan...)
The thread is not about arguing over wikipedia. If you want to talk about wikipedia make a thread (on /maho/ or /qa/ or even a seasonal board)

What if someone made a thread about Ronald McDonald doing the mcroll thing? Wouldn't you start dropping hot facts about the cholesterol in french fries and tell people about the dark secret in the Mcdonald's shareholders?

>>34316
The "someone else posted a bad thing and I won't report it so I get to post bad things too" thing is very immature.

>>34317
Then why did you state this: "3 deletions from three different people for a thread about wikipedia because of their contrarian indoctrination. This is a sign that I need to be harsher in the future."?
You didn't gave off-topic as the reason, you gave the post's opinion as the reason. So you're lying now or were lying then.

Furthermore, this aggressive stance against "off-topic" posts is not enforced except when it's convenient for mods. People bring up far less innocuous stuff in those kinds of threads all the time.

>>34318
The thing is though it's systematic. I know mods have already looked at that thread and chose not to. On the other, post anything they don't like, and it gets instantly deleted. Mods here are not slackers. They patrol the site to an absurd degree for the site's size. If something's not removed then they chose not to.

>>34319
Because imageboards are full of people that hate wikipedia for political reasons. Posts about "shekels" and "globohomo" need to be called out as the contrarian retards they are; and it helps relieve my stress as a mod for people that know this stuff isn't allowed here. These are not informed people with a deep understanding of the subject; they're reactionaries younger than the website they're talking about.
And they entered the thread not to talk about a moe mascot but to drop their based redpills that everyone has already seen 5000 times before.

Kissu is not a free speech zone. It will be shaped to what the mods feel at any given moment, although we tend to talk to each other and regular posters if it's anything major. That Japan post seemed like it was focused on Japanese distrusting and not like gaijin (which people have known online for like 20 years) so no one bothered to report it, including yourself.
I don't believe you when you say the post bothered you because you waited until now to mention it. You kept it in your quiver hoping it was a "gotcha" that would defeat me like some sort of villain. Your dishonesty is apparent and I've lost interest in engaging with you.

>>34321
>and not like gaijin
not liking*

Kuso like this is exactly what's wrong with the internet these days. People who are poorly/not informed rush to delete everything because they "know" it's the "wrong opinion" and make personal assumptions about the poster's motivation and then try to bullshit you when you try to get them to actually articulate why.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a "free speech absolutist", but this kuso has made the internet impossible to use. Back in the day, you could either have a debate, or you could not. But these days, what happens instead is everyone just goes off what they think you ought to "actually" mean and infer the dumbest version of your argument based on that.

>>34321
>Because imageboards are full of people that hate wikipedia for political reasons.
Well I hate Wikipedia because I actually edited the site. I edited Wikipedia long before I ever lurked the site.
>These are not informed people with a deep understanding of the subject; they're reactionaries younger than the website they're talking about. And they entered the thread not to talk about a moe mascot but to drop their based redpills that everyone has already seen 5000 times before.
Does this sound like a reactionary to you:
"Wikipedia is funded by every intelligence service and corporation with big enough public relationships department ever, but they still want more shekels so they can save for a yacht or whatever wikipedia admins like spending their savings on. Maybe they beg for money to people, not to gather an alms from random peasants, but to say to their bosses "hey guys, you aren't paying us enough". I like to think that Wikipe-tan is a bratty tsundere ojousama."
Sounds far more like a leftist to me.
>Kissu is not a free speech zone.
I never said it was or ought to be. But deciding to enforce rules highly selectively, and bullshit people about what rules something even violates is just dishonest.
>I don't believe you when you say the post bothered you because you waited until now to mention it.
The reason I haven't mentioned the post before is because I just saw it 10 minutes, and I've seen many like it before.

>I ever lurked the site.
Lurked an imageboard*

No one's opinion about wikipedia is relevant to the thread.
It's a /jp/ thread (2D/Random) about a moe mascot. If you want a thread to rant about wikipedia in non-political way, make a thread on /qa/ or /maho/ or whatever. People deserve a place to talk about mascots without autists bursting in to tell them why they're all wrong for posting silly pictures about a mascot that hasn't been touched in like 15 years.
Again, anyone's opinion about wikipedia, whatever it is, is not worth derailing the thread about mascots. I will say this for like the 20th time:
YOUR OPINION ABOUT WIKIPEDIA IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE THREAD. YOU SEEK TO DISRUPT THE THREAD ABOUT 2D MASCOTS ON A 2D BOARD. I DELETED IT TO PRESERVE THE THREAD.

>>34326
Then, again, why did you not say this as the removal reason originally instead of saying you deleted it because the opinion was wrong. Funnily enough, you're doing the exact same thing that Wikipedia admins love to do. They block you for some bullshit. And then when you point out it's bullshit, they pivot to some other bullshit.

>>34326
Yes because this site is totally 100% moe and people never bring up real life stuff in moe threads. /s

>instead of saying you deleted it because the opinion was wrong.
I never said that. Your desire to feel oppressed and a victim willed that illusory reality into being.
God, explaining moderation to autists is exhausting. I'm done.
I'll let someone else entertain you later if they want to do it, but I'm done talking.

>>34329
Well I'm done too. I'll never post here again. One less poster. I'm sure you'll say I don't matter or something, but this happens one at a time and eventually your site loses everything but shitposters, bootlickers, and lunatics.

Goodbye. Thank you for doing this early so I didn't get too invested in this. Glad you're "DONE TALKING". Real stuff and decisive. I have been judged and I deserve my punishment :)

Real tough*

I wonder what kind of retarded mod actions occurred today.

>>34310 >>34311 >>34314 etc.
won all arguments that he put forward.
>>34318
>The "someone else posted a bad thing and I won't report it so I get to post bad things too" thing is very immature.
Complete bull. It's more mature to be able to talk things out with your peers without running to the forum mod like some primary school kid dobbing to a schoolteacher. Doing it your way means some anodyne kissu humour such as >>34300 gets deleted.
>>34321
Contrarian retards stuck twenty-five centimetres of wood up my ass.

What's wikipedia being kuso got to do with that thread.

Both of you (deleter and deletee) fucked up and decided to talk over each other to sate egos but matter of the fact is regardless of the (silly) intent the deletions were justified. Even if I agree wikipedia is gayoped and glows and whatever keep it to a relevant thread. Autists who chomp at the bit to spill their knowledge to you about how things "actually are" are annoying. I agree with the mod.
Deleting stuff for clear personal greivances and trying to present that as the secondary reason is a bad look though. And also selective moderation will be a given, posting stuff like >>34330 just shows you have a massive unwarranted persecution complex. Maybe gnfos might be more your speed.

Its like making a thread about windows-tan and having it turn into autistic OS and distro wars and then also mentioning Bill Gates having aids. Probably possible if you sprinkle humour into the rhetoric but otherwise you're just giving unsolicited info.

Creating a new thread by branching would have been a fine way to handle it. Put it in /secret/ next to the hasan nigger thread.

>>34334
>posting stuff like >>34330 just shows you have a massive unwarranted persecution complex
That's not what a "persecution complex" is. That insinuates that I said that I felt that I had specifically been unfairly target, which I never did. What I did is complained about about a pattern of moderation decisions, and the main one I highlighted was >>33815, which was not mine. You're just using the term as a synonym for "childish".
If >>34330 came off as that, then I certainly did not intend it to. I was mainly trying to mock the hubris of >>34329. Why should I participate on a site which I believe is antithetical to basic norms of communication, and become invested in it. You can make whatever decision you want, it's your choice, so be it. But why should I feel obligated to put effort into making posts on a community which may remove them for arbitrary reasons?
I am not even complaining because I myself was untargeted, but simply because I saw other people treated unfairly and that made me want to not participate on the site.
>>34329
>God, explaining moderation to autists is exhausting. I'm done.
Why is it that thinking about anything in depth and critically makes you an autist these days? Maybe it is because so many people are unthinking that thinking makes you an aberration? Anyway, I have actually reflected quite a bit on this conversation and it makes made realize some quite interesting things about discussion and debate on the internet and in general, so I actually thank you for spurring this thinking.
Anyway, maybe it would not be so hard to argue if it was more defensible? As I have seen in this thread, you had to completely change your justification to argue your point. In a real court, at least in theory (and unfortunately often not in practice), a prosecution would be thrown out if it was based on a false premise. It is certainly hard to defend something when you have to repeatedly change your premise, which you seem to need to do.
>I'll let someone else entertain you later if they want to do it, but I'm done talking.
Maybe this could be interested. I'd be delighted if this could result in a genuine discussion about how debate has devolved in internet and how it has affected wider society.

>>34333
>Complete bull. It's more mature to be able to talk things out with your peers without running to the forum mod like some primary school kid dobbing to a schoolteacher.

If you want to make a school analogy: I'm going to side with the good kids over the bullies. The bullies already have their spot by the dumpster to smoke and be badass rebels ranting about the man. In the classroom the good kids should be safe and free to excel.
This isn't related to this specific post/thread, though.

hate self-deleters, but these wikipedia redpillers who keep replying is making me want to delete it...

Redpiller sticked 25 cm of wood up my ass.

>>34346
shut up. you're annoying.

>>34347
Can we promote this guy to mod?

So is this what it looks like? The build-your-own-Vocaloid guy was driven off the site thanks to a psychotic internet forum moderator?

No, the vocaloid guy was just being weird.

It's not confidential anymore since he left, but he was the one who did the MLP fanfiction thing we deleted as spam a few times. So he was beyond being just a brony and kinda insane

>>34357
>No, the vocaloid guy was just being weird.
and how do you know that? didnt he leave right after this all went down?

>>34365
Because he said he didn't like the website, not that the mods are deleting things they shouldn't. I could personally infer that this means i need to crack down harder on nsfw.

Tbh the guy seemed really upset over vocaloid culture and the parallel thread probably set him 9ff

Off*

>>34366
>Tbh the guy seemed really upset over vocaloid culture and the parallel thread probably set him 9ff
what thread?

>>34369
Presumably the very active /jp/ 'make a vocaloid' thread. I could see that would bother someone if I was doing a vocaloid thing that was hyper technical and thus kept most people from interacting with it.

>>34357
>It's not confidential anymore since he left
Please stop doing that. Someone leaving the site shouldn't change whether something is confidential. Revealing non-public information will make people uncomfortable to post here.

>>34379
Meh. There's a lot of teenbro-esque rebellion towards kissu mods these days. It's not like people would believe us if we said there were non-specified issues with him beforehand.

Thank God I'm an ip hopper

>>34380
Yeah, but I'm not sure it was necessary to say anything at all. One guy leaving (probably not, as the people who leave a site for good leave silently) is not that big a deal. Kissu won't be to everyone's taste and it shouldn't need to try to be. Breaking expectations of privacy is the greater harm here.

Can we have a vote on how anons feel about certain mods? Many people do not want to participate in disputes, but they have an opinion.

>>34383
I'm not sure what possible good this could serve, especially since opinions are already known based on the type of values one has. I'm cool-guy and I know I have the ire of quite a few people. What's to be gained by formalizing it?

>>34379
Damned if I do, damned if I don't

>>34383
I don't think there's anything to gain from this because anyone in favor of the moderation would come across as a bootlicker and anyone against it would come off as a whiny bitch. It'd be a breeding ground for tribalism, and for what? I doubt it'd bring about any change in the moderation if that's what you're hoping for. Not trying to speak on anybody's behalf with that mind you, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any of the mods on a personal level, but it's just that this reads like inviting yourself to somebody's home and then complaining to the owner about the way things work there.

>>34384
For what it's worth I like how you moderate this place, and I'd say that the couple of interactions I've had with the mod team as a whole have been a net positive as all of my rule breaks were warranted and at the very least discussed in fruitful discussion and a better understanding of posting behavior/etiquette. And that's just the posts that ended up getting deleted and going to /trans/ alone.

can we have the mods awards

A brony stuck 25 cm of wood up my ass.