No.161160
>>161159I should have added I don't really care what people do with their lives or their free time. In the privacy of their own home of even in public as long as it isn't happening in the streets in front of children. But I don't like the Government encouraging gambling and I don't like the way they pick and choose who's allowed to do it.
If I tried to open a gambling den or release an app that promoted gambling I'd get arrested. But certain companies and people can do whatever they want and that's not okay. Plus I feel like if the Government is going to encourage gambling they should at least use the profits to improve things for everyone. Like maybe fixing the roads, investing in the schools like they said they would, feeding old widows and other positive things like that.
I don't like how everything around here is crumbling from neglect and lack of funds while they're raking in lots of money taking advantage of poor people spending their last few dollars on a lottery ticket.
I really hate the gambling addicts at the stores holding up the lines too. They should make them use a separate register or something. They can never make up their minds either. It always takes them 5 minutes to decide if they want to buy the number 16 ticket or the number 3. I hate how they mostly win free tickets off the scratch tickets so they're constantly exchanging them at the register and annoying paying customers.
My friend works at the local gas station. I stood in there for about 15 minutes last week talking about airing anime with him. Some guy kept interrupting us to buy more scratch tickets. Then when he was finally out of money he went out into the parking lot to beg people for money so he could keep playing. My friend says he loses about $500-$1k a week on scratch tickets. Whenever he does win a couple of hundred dollars he turns right back around and spends it all on more tickets.
They're worse than the crack heads and heroin addicts when it comes to needing their fix. They never stop. At least drug users stop being annoying once they get their high.
No.161164
>>161163I'd judge but that's probably how I look playing Diablo 2
No.161165
>>161159The current prevalence might have to do with the downturn in the economy, gambling preying on the truly desperate and all
It can then snow ball from there as more revenue allows gambling companies to lobby and fight for more predatory practices, and many states and politicians let them get away with it as they're also desperate for cash in this economic downturn
No.161167
>>161159there's a Wii Sports/Party and Mario Kart YouTuber I like to watch a lot who sometimes plays some random kuso sometimes obscure games, and if he finds out there's gambling mini game, he ALWAYS makes sure to obsessively play that instead of whatever the main objective of the game is. He's also been to Vegas three times or so in 2025 alone (one was for a Mario Kart 8 tournament but he probably went to a casino while he was there but I don't know for sure). I'm not sure whether that's more concerning or less concerning than the fact that he's infamous for breaking TVs and Wii remotes
No.161168
gambling sounds so boring to me. It's like if Pokemon or some other JRPG ONLY had RNG elemnets in it, which is always the most infuriating parts of those types of games.
No.161173
>>161167Kissu Kart, please.
No.161175
>>161168That's exactly how I feel about it as well. The only gacha I ever put time in, before I even really knew what a gacha was, was Fire Emblem Heroes and every time I pulled it just felt hollow. Yeah, I know these characters and it's cool they're here but the gacha mechanic just turns them into glorified stat sticks even worse than the games themselves (which are pretty bad about it sometimes). And that's every single gacha in a nutshell. Which is part of why, I imagine, they have gone ALL IN on sex appeal over the last couple of years, and thus the adage of "Never ask a gacha player about the gameplay." is born.
With proper gambling, you don't even get that. You just look at flashing lights until all your money is wasted. I genuinely don't get it, the odds of you being the Cinderella Story that hits the jackpot and makes his dreams come true aren't even worth considering, yet people will absolutely, without end, throw their entire life away chasing that dream as if it's feasible. I'm thankful I don't know anybody whose life has been ruined by it, but OP is right in how common it's becoming. I see the same kind of stuff, I think my state just eased up on gambling laws on top of it so I've seen thrice as much since all the casinos want to stake their new claim.
No.161179
>>161159Fishing was the original gacha.
No.161181
Recession indicator.
The only thing i know is that sports betting has gotten much more popular.
No.161183
>>161175Gaccha costs are FOMO. It's different from gambling. The expectation of a gaccha is to be part of the game, but betting is actually about making money.
People who mix the two have obviously never had an overwhelming desire to make tons of money fast
No.161187
>>161159¥ sort through job vacancies ¥ GAMBLING GAMBLING GAMBLING yeah what the FLIP
No.161188
>>161159>What's really funny about it is they advertise the gambling apps on TV then half the commercial is some guy talking really fast like:>Lose all your money and ruin your life using our application? Call the 1-800 gambling help line!I think I'm catching on what's up
Is the gambler help system setting up the losers of draft, menial low-pay jobs? Gambling is really funny. I saw a Ukrainian radio warfare blogger complain he has seen some near-frontline deadbeat soldier use Starlink to roll slots.
No.161189
>>161160>Like maybe fixing the roads, investing in the schools like they said they would, feeding old widows and other positive things like thatYou'd need to clear out corruption and embezzlement for this to not be just a front for it
No.161190
>>161183>People who mix the two have obviously never had an overwhelming desire to make tons of money fastI can't argue that, I was raised to save money if you never know when the next paycheck is coming rather than pray for a large windfall to come. And the more gambling becomes normalized the happier I am that I received that upbringing, genuinely.
No.161191
when I was searching for my first j-word I interviewed at a place that helped gambling game makers squeeze as tightly as possible through government regulations about minimum expected value of games. rules saying the game must refund at least 80% of the money on average, that sort of thing, and the work that was done at the place was to do statistical modeling and simulations to prove that a game was meeting the regulations. It sounded interesting because I like math but it would have been a depressing industry to be in. I'm in the water industry instead...
No.161192
>>161191I guess you could say that your concerns got... watered down
No.161237
>>161159I think the normalization of gambling is fine. Now that I think about it it has been on the upturn like you said over the last decade but it really has become dramatically worse ever since this year began. Casino ads used to show up with a frequency of background noise but now they pop up with regularity. I think I see or hear several casino ads a day now. Another sign of the global slide into the abyss.
I think gambling is okay because at the end of the day it's just a game even if the game leaves you broke. It's entirely voluntary and nobody forces you to play it. The only people who are going to fall for it are the ones who were going to die from drugs or normslop or whores or something else anyways.
>gacha gamesGacha is way different from gambling though. There's no illusion of making money and a lot of times there's pity mechanics (unless you play FGO). A bunch even provide enough currency to float along as a f2p.
Gacha relies on totally different strategy for extracting money.
For whales there's typically some form of progression where you need to roll multiple copies of characters and gear.
For middling players there's top ups and discounts and passes.
For the low spender there's some form of a basic pass where you can economically acquire currency.
The real issue with gacha is time. The goal isn't to drain your bank account all in one go. It's to occupy your time as much as possible. This is so they can slowly bleed you over time. If they cannot maintain the novelty then they need to turn you into a sunk cost player.
Even if you are f2p you will still pay with time. The tradeoff is f2p increases publicity and player count to attract more spenders.
But if the gameplay is good enough (READ: good enough) and the girls are cute enough, you can turn a blind eye to all of this..............
No.161238
I feel like, while I don't think all gambling should be illegal, ADVERTISING it should be
They can't even advertise tobacco on TV anymore, why the fuck can all these gambling apps have ads all the time?
It's fucking disgusting and tasteless.
No.161241
>>161237>It's entirely voluntary and nobody forces you to play it.We made things like tobacco more expensive and harder to advertise because having a population of addicts turned out to be a bad idea. Having a population of gambling pauper addicts is probably equally as bad. I'd keep physical, in person gambling legal and completely outlaw it from digital devices.
>>161238Agreed. Gambling advertisement should basically be verboten. Hopefully the gambling companies will eventually be viewed as the opium dealers that they are, but I'm not optimistic. Then again, the people who most vehemently defend them will end up going broke, just like how the biggest tobacco defenders slowly died of cancer. It just may take a long time to get there
No.161244
>>161241>Then again, the people who most vehemently defend them will end up going broke,No. I support gambling as a way to fund my tax cut.
No one should expect gambling as a way to make money. They have always been mindless and overpriced entertainment. The money flows from retards to Übermensch as it should be.
No.161251
Lately when watching TV with mom I've seen commercials for phone apps that seem to be gambling, but it's unclear if you're actually playing for real money. I don't think phones have games where you directly gamble for money, right? Like, pay X money to roll a slot machine on your phone? That seems like it would need heavy changes in bureaucracy.
>>161187Gambling ads are something I remember only seeing on porn or warez sites since it's something seen as so culturally undesirable and damaging to the brand of the advertising host that those were the only places that would do it.
>>161244Whether sincere or one of those contrarian-is-my-perso
nality types you are very symptomatic of our cursed age of despicable humans.
No.161252
>>161244If you willingly destabilize your own society in order to benefit yourself you will eventually no longer have a society anyone wants to live in. Gambling may just be one aspect, but the mentality and all the small things add up real fast.
In most of the developed world gambling advertisement is illegal or very regulated to avoid promotion of people ruining their whole lives (young men with high risk tolerance, addiction problems, and taking on massive debt), or their family's life (perpetual poverty, unstable life for children).
>>161238Gambling will always be an issue so countries tend to have a few licensed operators to avoid sending people into the lion's den of shady actors.
We have a tiny amount of advertisements in my country with pretty basic things like someone playing the lotto and winning a fortune. Most people don't put more than $100 a month on lotto so it's not a big deal unlike slots and blackjack and all that shit where people lose their cool and play away all their savings every month.
No.161254
>>161252>If you willingly destabilize your own society in order to benefit yourself you will eventually no longer have a society anyone wants to live in.If the "society" is destabilizing because of gambling then it's already not a society anyone wants to live in. In a good society, most of its members have common sense and realize that gambling is mindless and overpriced entertainment and they won't piss away too much money for it.
Only retards that contribute nothing useful to society will fall for this. Those who are addicted to gambling lack self-control and common sense. Nothing useful will arise when money is in their hands. They are better weeded out and let those who are more capable to put their resources to better use.
No.161255
>>161254Sure it's not at all a problem if you ignore the rest of the paragraph.
No.161256
If it wasn't clear, I am saying the mentality of screwing over people left and right because personal benefits is what leads to the downfall.
When society becomes that cynical it's already over.
No.161257
>>161255Whatever you described in the rest of paragraph is exactly what retards do. Call me again when 20% of the whole population is like that, that's when it becomes a major problem.
You also need to get rid of your outdated and simplistic view about the purpose gambling advertising. With online gambling, you cannot effectively ban gambling anymore, just like piracy. Those who have gambling tendencies will find ways to do it no matter if they are advertised or not.
Gambling advertisements divert them into regulated alternatives, keeping them monitored and under control, and also ensure most of the gambling profits are taxed.
>>161256Those who deserve help get helped. Those who don't don't.
We put criminals in prison to keep us safe, while also ruining the criminals' life. This is normal and has nothing to do with cynicism.
No.161261
>>161257>Those who have gambling tendencies will find ways to do it no matter if they are advertised or not.Seems like direct and indirect ads implant the tendencies for the rest of them, then.
No.161262
>>161256Yeah, one of civilization's tenants and requisites for it to remain a thing is to minimize the damage that selfish people can do to enrich themselves at the cost of others. One can hope for a swing in the other direction at some point or we truly are entering the cyberpunk dystopia without the cool bionics.
No.161263
>>161257>Those who deserve help get helped. Those who don't don't. What's behind that statement for you?
No.161264
>>161254>If the "society" is destabilizing because of gambling then it's already not a society anyone wants to live in.No desirable society can possibly exist, then.
No.161268
>>161244>No. I support gambling as a way to fund my tax cut.I'm just thinking, in bird's-eye view, you wouldn't find good ways to save or use money for in a system that has an opinion it's beneficial for itself to rip people's scratches open into gaping wounds at every opportunity. It's a symptom of normalization, much like the feeling of anxiety and guilt for when you didn't jew someone
enough. You're also missing the elephant in the room that the state will tax more under the justification of dealing with the consequences of gamblers being gamblers, including large scale economic instabilities.
In consumer practice I encounter the consequences as rarely being able to find a good product to buy even when I'm willing to spend a good sum of money that's below ridiculous. PUFA, cheap polymer, and pig metal trash floods the market and the good products take it that they can allow to amp up the prices due to trash taking up their price segment. Your tax get repositioned, but now also everything around you gets worse for no compensation whatsoever. Your tax keeps being repositioned right until the government realizes there's always a certain percentage the average man can keep enduring without protesting, no segment goes untaxed.
Not that you're practically relevant here. Cheering or not cheering on the trolley doesn't make it change its velocity.
¥ tl;dr what the FLIP is quality productivity of the economy No.161270
>>161254>weeded outexcept they're not weeded out, they lose their money but remain in society to become drug addicts or petty criminals
No.161272
I went to the gas station today to buy some soda. When I walked in the store there was no one waiting in line. I quickly walked to the back and grabbed my soda and by the time I came up to the front there was a guy and his wife standing there.
They stood there for 10 minutes buying lottery tickets and couldn't make up their mind which scratch tickets they wanted. Give me a number 18 the guy says. Oh there are none left. Ummmm lemme see. A number 4? A number 8? What else you got for $20? Oh the number 23 is new! Is it any good? Anyone hit on it yet? Someone just won? Oh I don't want that then. What serial number is on the number 35?...
and on and on it went. By the time they figured out wtf they wanted to buy a large line had formed behind them. There were 8 or 9 people waiting in line behind them. All of us giving each other looks like we wanted to kill these people.
Then the husband asked the wife if she wanted anything too and they stood there another few minutes doing the same routine. They spent $100 or $150 on this crap. Then the wife turns around and goes
>Sorry about the wait! ;D
to us. I wanted to reach out and smack her.
Why are people that play the lottery so rude? If you know you're going to take forever let people behind you go first. I do that when I know I'm going to tie up the cashier for awhile. All of us behind her were in a hurry. They knew it. They came and did this right as everyone was getting out of work or were prepping dinner. The people behind me were all waiting to buy gasoline or misc. stuff they needed for preparing dinner. Aside from one guy that just wanted to buy smokes and a 6-pack of beer. He was pissed off. Man wanted his cigarette bad and he'd just finished a hard day of manual labor.
These people turned a 1-2 minute stop for me into a 20 minute torture session. Next time I get behind someone like this I'm going to start blurting out random numbers or something. Or maybe some other creative way to annoy them without making the cashier mad. The cashiers hate them too. I know because they always roll their eyes and get visibly upset whenever these people come in.
Separate registers for these people are needed. Give them a kiosk or something where they can waste their money and the rest of us don't have to deal with them. I hate them so much. I'm seriously considering buying a radio jammer just so I can disable the lottery computers whenever I go into stores. They can't sell tickets or give money back if those machines are down. I know they run over the same network as cell phones. I got a good look at the hardware and wireless antennas/routers they use at my friend's store. Really easy to disable them.
No.161337
>>161330>and one time i got just 2 numbers off from winning 40k, so I kind of have sour grapes about it. But I'll bet they purposefully make a lot of tickets that are "just a little off" to trap people into thinking they'll be lucky enough to really win.Whatever you scratch is meaningless except whether it shows a win or not. The winner is predetermined and then it generates a "almost won" feeling pattern. There is no difference in a ticket where you were one off or got none at all. It was already decided you weren't going to win before it was generated. This is much easier to program, and more addictive. Consider how many times you were "1 off" winning a million, that happens all the time and makes people feel close even though statistically they may have rolled a 50 million on a 0-100 million dice where 0 is a winner.
No.161340
>>161336Can you tell me what numbers have the best odds in the lotery?
No.161341
>>161337Your conspiracy is half baked with truth.
There's nothing predetermined.
It is just that every time you win a number the odds of the next one being right are just as kuso. So winning that many in a row is possible part of the way, but not fully
No.161343
>>161341Have you literally never played a scratch off ticket? You are "so close to winning big" on like half of them, that's because the scratching is fucking irrelevant. I genuinely don't believe you have played more than ten scratch off tickets in your life if you think I made this up.
I am not wrong. It's not a conspiracy. I am one hundred percent correct.
This explanation will be a bit overly simplistic because you need to limit the X amount of big tickets so you don't go bankrupt by bad odds on the house and unable to payout because not even lottery insurance would cover going bankrupt by something statistically unlikely eventually happening (such as many big wins in a short period without selling enough tickets to pay for it). Anyways it's just the easiest way to program it, and the most addictive. You don't generate random numbers to scratch that somehow magically hit the right odds (you mathematically cant), you generate whether its a loser or a winner of x amount and then you generate the layout afterwards by starting with the correct amount in the grid, adding a bunch of other numbers that don't hit anything, and then scramble it. The best thing is, when it's a loser you can generate a "one off from one million" row of numbers, a "one off from one hundre thousand" row of numbers, and a bunch of others and there you have a not even close to winning ticket that makes you feel "wow that was close! i didnt just throw $1 on a 1:3million dice roll and miss by 2 million!"
What you said is just the basic chance is same everytime you buy one, but that's entirely irrelevant to what I wrote which is about the numbers you scratch being irrelevant to your chance of winning.
No.161360
OP here. I went in $10 today with someone on lottery ticket because jackpot is so high. I am a dirty hypocrite. But the dream of splitting $500 million lump sum caused me to part with my hot dog money.
No.161361
>>161360If I win I will setup a trust to fund kissu for the next 2,000 years.
No.161364
>>161361That's a lot of hotdogs
No.161365
>>161360needing 10 dollars for a hot dog... society has fallen
No.161366
the lottery ticket numbers being (mostly) independent of each other and there being a nice mathematical relationship between the chances of getting 0/7 right, 1/7 right, etc. only applies to those types of lotteries where they literally pick 7 numbered balls from a pool of 50
scratch-off ones the manufacturer can cook the books however he likes
No.161367
>>161365I can't eat anywhere now for less than $10. The burger+hot dog+small fries+drink deal at the local burger place is $9.95. Then I have to tip the girl that brings it to me. So it comes to $12 unless I want her to spit in my food.
That's as cheap as it gets. The burger and fries are half the size they used to be in 2020.
No.161368
kimo 3D girl spit
No.161369
>>161237>if the gameplay is good enough (READ: good enough) and the girls are cute enoughNon-gacha games can have cute girls too. And if you're looking for gameplay, they also have deeper, more interesting gameplay mechanics. Free from pay to win or FOMO pressuring you into doing the same kuso missions every day to unlock your waifus too.
No.161382
One more hour until I'm multi-millionaire
No.161388
>>161382Out of 10 chances I matched 0 numbers. I am an idiot. The dream for a few hours wasn't worth the $10 entry fee.
No.161390
>>161388A few hours of dreaming or a hot dog. The hours of dreaming also help you lose weight relative to eating another hot dog...
No.161391
That's because the US legalised sports betting a few years ago.
Australia has always had gambling. But sports betting has become a lot more invasive with those apps advertised everywhere. The Government was going to crack down on such advertisements but backed down. Poker machines are also a huge problem but they have been for a while.
No.161392
>>161391>Poker machinesYeah these are a huge issue here. My friend's store has those video poker and virtual slot machines or whatever they are. All I know about them is they have some loop hole where the machine doesn't accept or pay out real money. It's all points based. But you can exchange and buy those points at the cash register. Somehow this makes it legal. We also have those "Sweetstakes" places that have popped up all over the place in the last 10 years.
These places and the gas stations with those machines all follow the same pattern. Machines will be installed. Same people addicted to them will sit there all day playing them and running back and forth to the register to re-up or cash out. Local police will come one day and inspect. Give them a week to get rid of the machines. Machines (or store front) vanishes for a few weeks or maybe a couple of months. One days machines are back. Same ones as before only slightly tweaked. Addicts return. Cycle repeats.
I find them annoying but slightly less annoying than the lotto ticket addicts. Since they only tie up the register part of the time and tend to wait until there aren't a lot of people in line already. They also spend a lot of money on other crap in the store. Like snacks and drinks. Where the scratch ticket addicts don't buy anything else. Last but not least they aren't as shameless about begging for money to keep their addiction going once they're busted. At least not in the parking lot. They also are quiet and mind their own business or the right kind of talkative and friendly. They don't really bother me.
The one time I was an in Indian Casino I didn't really mind the people there either. But they were a different class of people. Instead of dirt poor hood folks they were either on vacation or flush with cash. At least enough to be better $200+ at a time and could afford the $20 minimums to play the slot machines. Plus half the place allowed smoking and that was nostalgic. I played some Texas Hold'em that night with a real dealer and 5 other people. I broke even because I stopped once I'd won some money then lost enough to be back down to my buy-in amount. I'm sure people lose tons in there because the house always wins in the end but if you're responsible (not an addict) and only wager what you were willing to lose up front it can be decent entertainment assuming you like playing games like poker and dice. I'd never play the slot machines or any of the other stuff tied up to the servers in the back of the Casino though.
No.161393
>>161159It's not some recent thing, TCG games normalized gambling for "geeks" in the 90s.
No.161394
>>161159hina should be the last person to indulge in gambling unless she can somehow spin faster than the roulette wheel
No.161562
>>161561I exhausted my gambling interest in Fallout New Vegas and old CosmicBreak gacha. Like, I've seen enough, I don't care now, what's the farce
No.163422
>>161561Multiple people kept trying to get me to play the horse game. I refused, and don't regret it. I'd rather play actual video games rather than glorified slot machines.
No.164035
I hate gambling but I love playing poker.
No.164098
>>163422The money part isn't even the worst thing about gacha games.
It's how time demanding they are and how disgustingly they manipulate autistics.
No.164101
God himself gambled on Job! We should realize that gambling is what is truly next to godliness and give ourselves to the dice.
Anything else is predictable; love, success, ability... But the roll of the dice is purely decided by providence!
No.164102
>>161561The art from the girls in Blue Archive has been luring me into installing the game, I have resisted so far but I might give in any day since I see it every time I open my Steam library and if that happens I'm afraid of falling into the scam, already tried Zenless Zone Zero but luckily the intro was so dogshit I uninstalled before anything bad could happen.
>>164101He gambled using someone else's life, I'd gamble every day if I could use someone else's money.
No.164103
>>164102>already tried Zenless Zone Zero but luckily the intro was so dogshit I uninstalled before anything bad could happenThe consist shitness of gachas has been a blessing to me, Ive been lured into multiple by the great art and OSTs but always drop them without spending any cash since gachas just seem allergic to actually being fun, likely on purpose too since the target audience seems fine just collecting girls
I fear the day a gacha thats actually enjoyable is made
No.164108
I have drawn quite a few gacha shabs and I don't play any of the originating games. I am only here to beat off to the titty monsters. I do wish there was a good game with anime girls that didn't involve microtransactions in order to have fun with the game
No.164129
>>164108>I do wish there was a good game with anime girls that didn't involve microtransactions in order to have fun with the gameuhm... yeah...
No.164132
>>164108*cough*For the absolute purist experience of escapism you'll ever find, there's VNs. For "anime video game" there are RPGs. Sadly both genres are largely relics of the past, but there's still lots of stuff out there with some occasional new releases.
Partaking in either of them is like a healthy meal for the soul instead of gacha's empty poisonous calories.
No.164133
>>164132Kuon should give some of those calories to Nekone.
No.164134
>>164108Have you played Chaos;Head Noah yet? It has zero gambling, zero microtransactions, and the only extra content it has is an
underwear DLC that you can download FOR FREE!
No.164152
>>164151lady fortuna is real and a truSHAB i know because i met her
No.164153
i like to believe those posts that say "reply to this post for 1000 years of good luck" are true and will cause good fortune to come my way