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 No.129992

Is another moe anime that's both celebratory and satire on otaku culture like Lucky Star still possible in this day and age? Feels like the celebratory part is still possible, but everything that's of that vein seems to either avoid any serious self parody and is more feel good than laughs.

 No.129993

How often do you hear "moe" talked about in anime these days? It's about as distinctively 2000s as you can get.
A modern Lucky Star would not be moe.

 No.129994

>>129993
True, kinda weird how that genre just died out of nowhere.

 No.129998

If it's a parody then it was an ironic parody

 No.130003

I only watched a bit of Edomae Elf but it seemed to be in that vein.

 No.130009

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saw a konata cosplay.. really warmed my old otaku heart

 No.130015

>>130009
Was it a girl though?

 No.130016

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>>129993
>>129994
There is moe present in almost every single anime, but "moe-focused" (CGDT SoL) shows are a bit uncommon these days, yeah. Partly due to the KyoAni fire, but they were also sort of moving away from it before that as well. It all started with Free!... I think Machikado, Bocchi and Yuru Camp fit the bill though. Bocchi is basically a more interesting K-ON.

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>>130016
>Bocchi is basically a more interesting K-ON

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 No.130020

>>130016
>Partly due to the KyoAni fire
what does that have to do with the decline in moe anime..?

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>>130020
I mean, KyoAni was the main producer of it with its moege VN adaptations, Lucky Star, K-ON, Tamako Market, Nichijou, etc. Dragon Maid is the closest thing to those and they haven't done anything of that kind since the fire.

The other studio that was really big on it is Doga Kobo. They're a bit lacking on it as well now. Houkago Tenbou, Koisuru Asteroid, Gabriel DropOut and New Game were their most recent attempts at it.

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>>130029
Forgot to mention Wataten.

 No.130045

>>130029
That change happened before the fire. All those examples you named are manga or VN adaptations or anime originals, whereas a little over a decade ago they switched to primarily adapting (light) novels instead, which being a less visual medium has less room for moe appeal. Stuff like Tsurune, Violet Evergarden, Kyoukai no Kanata, and Phantom World all came out of their in-house LN publishing division, while others like Eupho come from outside.
With the early ones, like Chu2, they went out of their way to up the moe appeal for the anime (Kumiko, for instance, being anime original), but as times changed they moved away from doing even that much.
Kobayashi-san, which you point out as one of their few moe-focused series of recent times, is notably the one and only manga adaptation that Kyoani has done since they started publishing LNs back in mid-2011.

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>>130045
You can argue that Free! which caused a massive mental breakdown on /a/ back then was a big game changer as well; because it shifted their audience from primarily male to a more balanced gender breakdown if we use the gender demographics of Yuru Camp and Bocchi as example.
>Stuff like Tsurune, Violet Evergarden, Kyoukai no Kanata, and Phantom World all came out of their in-house LN publishing division, while others like Eupho come from outside
Notice that all of these have female appeal to some extent, except maybe Phantom World.

The fire certainly didn't help and it slowed down their overall production of shows though, so it means even less stuff like Dragon Maid being produced.

 No.130082

>>130003
Edomae Elf was fun and I want a second season so badly.

>>130046
The true decline of these kinds of shows stems from the studios attempting to go for mass appeal now. Which includes pandering to both the non-Otaku in-country and the west. The allure of money from new segments of the market has caused a lot of studios to focus on no longer pandering to otaku. It doesn't matter how much the otaku complain they can never outspend the hordes of more casual fans who don't care about obscure references or moe for the sake of moe. Never forget there was a time when people declared moe-shit the death of anime in the early-late 2000s. So it isn't surprising to see that style start to fall out of favor. Never mind the fact that we have all this pandering and censorship these days in an attempt to either prevent or cause a social media shitstorm as a way to do promotion.

In other words; You aren't the target market anymore. Even with remakes we usually see them taking an old popular show and toning down a lot of what made it good in an attempt to sanitize it for the new type of audience.

Studios don't want to churn out a steady supply of shows for otaku who will spend a slim-decent profit in return. They want to churn out as much as possible in the hopes that one show will obtain the popularity of something like Madoka. Where they can ride the profits for many years and slowly produce content that has mass appeal in many different regions. Why make $1,000 at home off something when you can make $1,000,000 aboard? Who cares what the local otaku think when they'll never be able to spend that type of money even on something they love?

This isn't unique to Japan or anime either. Mediums go through cycles like this. They will keep pushing out low budget stuff until the market refuses to watch it anymore. These come-lately fans will move on to the next fad. Then after a few years of nothing being produced someone will take a chance again. They'll make something for otaku. The otaku will like it and spend a lot of money on it. Then the process will repeat. We'll get a bunch of good content for about a decade or so until the usual parties see the money being made and attempt to cash-in on the fad again. Then we're back to what we have now: A bunch of low budget quickly produced censored garbage that's forgotten as quickly as it airs.

Not to say that everything is bad. There has been some good stuff being produced lately and there is always something interesting out there. But most of it simply never get promotion or becomes well known while the creator is active. Usually such things fly under the radar and then become "hidden gems" some point later. Which is how we end up with all these horrible re-makes.

Lucky Star is more a product of the time it was produced in than an amazing show. It's remembered fondly because it came out right as a lot of the western audience was discovering more obscure anime for the first time in their lives. True western otaku had been at it for 10-20 years by that point and there had been 4kidz-tier adaptations for awhile. But something like Lucky Star hadn't been seen by most of the western audience until around 2008. Which also happens to be around the same time people claim online discourse started to nosedive (they aren't wrong).

My greater point is it was a special time and place where the old and new could co-exist without the screaming and yelling we see today. If Lucky Star came out this season I'm sure most of the online talk about it would revolve around accusing anyone that likes it of being like Konata's Dad. Instead of it being a funny joke it would be taken very seriously by the usual echo chambers. Who would probably do whatever they could to cancel it. It's doubtful it would get a good translation as well. The references would have been replaced with western ones or more likely it would have been memesubbed on purpose. People praise the AFK translation these days but a lot of people back when it was airing hated it for not being literal enough. Times change.

The main reason it wouldn't be made today is the fact that it's very hard to find funding for such a project or get it pushed through the committees. The main issue with modern anime isn't the fanbases or the art work. It's the fact that the creators have almost no say in their own creation. The current industry needs to bottom out and die before the creators will get more power and the ability to seek out funding from outside sources like crowd funding. We also need a way for them to actually showcase their work that doesn't rely on the stupid censorship polices being enforced by every modern streaming and broadcast service.

I ranted about this before (maybe on here) but animation goes through "ages". We're in a bit of a dead age at the moment. Both in the west and in the east. People will lose interest in the lower effort stuff at some point and stop watching. Then after a few years or nothing coming out some creators will start producing stuff that'll lead to another "Golden age" again. In America we got a "silver age" around the late 80s-early 2000s after decades of garbage. There were some decent shows produced in the "dead age". But the vast majority were not. But starting around the late 80s/90s we saw a huge uptick in quality, story telling and content in American animation. Same thing happens with anime.




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