No.4788
60% of respondents are on W11.... PC is done for
No.4790
What is this for? MacOS seems way low.
No.4791
>>4790It's the percentage of steam users on those operating systems.
No.4792
>>4791That makes sense but it's still a bit surprising that all Linux as a whole has more users than MacOS.
No.4794
>>4792I didn't even know you could game on mac, last I heard someone trying to game on mac was my brother's friend and he'd borrow my Windows laptop to play.
No.4795
Using arch, proton plays most of my games, but the kuso modern games like battlefield locking out linux are going to continue to be the thing that forces people to use windows
No.4796
>>4794My school gave me a macbook and it was my only computer for a time. I remember installing Steam and then Left 4 Dead on it and getting kicked from games all the time for trying to play it on there with just the trackpad.
Long time ago so I guess it makes sense the percentage went down even further.
No.4797
While Macs are very consistent in their design practices. They enforce that consistency onto third party developers, and sometimes their internal decisions just don't mesh with another industry.
One of these principles is disallowing unapproved vendors from distributing software onto their platforms.
This along with their Metal grahpic library being niche, depreciating OpenGL despite the competition being windows DirectX, and small details that Mac did to be more efficient in the office but sometimes cause issues(unique system keybinds, different location of the meta key). Also how a lot of the app store are paid products due to the scarcity of 3rd party internet download software.
So Mac is just a worse platform for anything that Mac did not make.
But what Mac internally makes is far better than windows and requires less configuration to get a more superior low skill Linux like setup
No.4798
And while some argument is that OpenGL is dead, getting Vulkan to work on it is supposedly another case where the API has to be a Metal compatible version or something
No.4799
Debian bros...
No.4800
>>4794>>4796Valve's games had been fully compatible with Mac since 2010, but in 2019 Apple dropped support for 32bit applications and that was the end of it. I imagine most people who have Steam on their Macs only use it for chatting now.
No.4801
what's the time period on those percentages
No.4809
My PC is old and I don't have a TPM anyways but I don't want to use Win10 for years longer... I'm hardly attached to it as is.
No.4816
>>4787I don't believe Steam stats
No.4817
>>4808If you no longer want the service, it's time to switch team.
Plenty of games work fine with Proton.
No.4822
GNUbros, was 2024 the year of the Linux desktop? It's all down from here...
As studios focus more on live service kusoge with kernel-level anticheat, Linux numbers can only decrease, no matter how good Proton is.
No.4823
>>4822Just don't buy those games. Windows gets shittier every year, our time will come.
Might take a world war to make it happen, but microsoft will die.
No.5026
>>4823This. Microsoft is dying in real time. We'll never lose bros.
No.5028
>>4822I think the current state is perfect and proton supports all the games and software i'd actually want to use (which excludes games with anti-cheat because i hate AAA multiplayer games as a whole)
i don't get people who want year of the linux desktop, if it gets popular enough companies will just see easy money opportunities and start gobbling it up and or force all the problems and restrictions windows and mac have
No.5029
>>5028>i don't get people who want year of the linux desktop, if it gets popular enough companies will just see easy money opportunities and start gobbling it up and or force all the problems and restrictions windows and mac haveIsn't it impossible for the kernel itself to get "bought out"? I was always under the impression that the goal is for Linux to become standard so to ensure software compatibility on a fully customizable OS, meaning power users could care less if the majority flocks to some corporate distro. Though I also don't know the first thing about Linux or what all could be done by companies to enslave it.
No.5060
>>5059Statcounter doesn't work with a trillion bots lying about everything. Suddenly linux was extremely popular before the bot owners changed it to pretend to be windows.
No.5061
It's also possible a botnet has infected millions of Windows 7 users with unpatched exploits.
No.5062
>>5061people have been invoking the name of the great hacking boogieman for over a decade now whenever i say that i blocked updates on win10, it'd be interesting to see that threat actually happen for once (though i doubt it)
No.5063
>>5062Yes people just suddenly uninstalled Windows 11 and started using Windows 7 a lot more. Orrrrr a bunch of users are suddenly infected and the traffic is noticeable.
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/idle-windows-xp-and-2000-machines-get-infected-with-viruses-within-minutes-of-being-exposed-onlineIt's always a matter of time, and a sudden increase of users in Windows 7 is not a sign people are downgrading, it's a sign certain computers have had their own activity go up by an unnatural amount enough to be noticeable. There's obviously no "lets all install windows 7" trend going on.
No.5064
>>5063Which exploits?
So amusing watching the fear mongering about Windows being EOL every few years when its not true. Just like it's amusing watching people fear monger about how you're instantly going to get pwned if you run an old version of it when its not true.
No.5065
>>5064Feel free to replicate the experiment in the article I posted and disprove it? How am I supposed to know what exploits they used.
No.5066
Like I don't understand what can be more proof of suspicious behavior than "Windows 7 usage going up a lot".
No.5067
>>5064It's sorta true, but its for retards who don't know any better (like most normalfags) that fall for the spookiness.
I wouldn't use XP as a modern desktop, especially connected to the Internet.
No.5068
>>4797I use a Mac for everything non gaming and it's great, especially since base model Macs are genuinely great these days (the $500 Mac mini runs smoother than my old gaming computer that cost like 4x more). Just have a steam deck for games and you're good.
No.5070
>>5069I'm too retarded to dual boot gnu/linux and my PC is too shit to run 11 allegedly.
No.5072
>>5070I got the same thing a few versions ago and switched over. I'm sure you're not as retarded as you think.
Maybe not today, but at some point you'll have to make a decision to upgrade or switch.
No.5074
>>5072Okay so like what I'm thinking is that I want to install linux on one of my external harddrives that is connected via USB.
And when my computer turns on, I want to be able to pick between using Win10 (C:) or whatever faggot distro I pick (my G: drive for example), is that feasible?
No.5075
>>5074NTA but yes, that's how I used my research distros when my internal SSD was small and I didn't like WSLs
No.5076
>>5074Your motherboard probably has settings for setting default boot device or if you want it to ask you which to pick.
No.5077
>>5074Just need to specify the priority for USB from BIOS
No.5079
If you want to discourage people from using EOL systems, I think it would be helpful to hear about some actually dangerous cases / potential vulnerabilities that one could easily fall victim to and which don't just rely on user error. For example, there was this video going around showing off how a clean install of XP with internet connectivity could immediately get hijacked during setup from people using IP scanners, then later on it turned out the system purposefully used SP1, no firewall during setup and all open ports. That entire scenario is a series of bad decisions that is absolutely impossible to make on accident.
I have both a 98SE2 and XP x64 SP2 system on a guest WiFi with WPA2, installed 100+ individual old softwares on both of them (most of which I got from archive.org, 1337 for cracks and gens, random open fileservers and oldverion) and used to browse random sites with outdated adblockers and add-ons, and I haven't noticed any suspicious PC or network activity in 2 years.
I'm not saying this is all completely fine and safe to do, I'm sure it's not a good idea either way and the systems might very well all be compromised without me noticing, but just telling someone something is unsafe to do without providing details on how easily you can supposedly screw yourself over is extremely ineffective.
No.5082
>>5078install a gigabyte of ram to combat the hack
say "im in" when i found the infected file
No.5084
>>5083Hey, I had an Intel 4th gen until just recently, too!
No.5085
>>5078decent feet and toes in the crosslegged pose drawing
No.5120
>>4787Bees don't waste their time explaining to flies that honey is better than shit
No.5123
>1) buy/steal SSD
>2) pirate winblows
>3) put winblows on SSD
>3) plug into computer
>4) only use for gayming
>5) ???
>6) PROFIT
No.5125
>>5124I like green its my favourite color
No.5128
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>>5122Major updates on linux actually get QA tested. microsoft got rid the QA department, guess when, 2014, specifically around the time win10 was in beta public access.
I don't recall if both cases were during beta or or post official release or one in beta and one post release but I had at least two occasions had terribly messy updates which forced me to reinstall. In one of the occasions, probably because of the servers being broken as well, I spent a whole friday trying to reinstall and it kept getting stuck on some percentage during setup trying to download something from the servers, I gave some attempts at least an hour at times and I retried it so much it forced me to wipe the drive because apparently it was making new partitions each time.
Coming from XP and 7 I was still a big fan of microsoft. google as well, i got sternly disillusioned by both. I even tried making the linux jump with manjaro a while back but my GPU wasn't playing nice with it and those bastards made the file system not work on linux so that got postponed. My next upgrade (which is probably soon) i'm already mostly primed to make a clean jump, i just hope linux doesn't get ruined somehow by then like all things do by the time i get to them
No.5129
>>5128Linux can't be ruined because Linux is just a kernel and there are lots of distributions -- which can be ruined -- that package and ship Linux with other packages. Luckily you can just switch to another distribution.
Generally, there are only 7 actual distributions: Debian, Fedora, Arch Linux, Gentoo, Void, Alpine Linux and recently NixOS. Every other distribution is based on one of these distributions. It's a good idea to use these and customize your distro to your liking after instead of relying on someone else's opinionated distro. Manjaro itself is based on Arch. It makes Arch easy for noobs.
Since you mentioned issues with your graphics card, which I assume to be Nvidia, I don't know if the situation is better these days. They have been hostile to free software for a long time and that attitude goes back at least 20 years. You can dig and find emails on gcc mailing lists from 2004 by Nvidia engineers being overtly hostile towards gcc maintainers (gcc is one of the core components of most Linux distributions). So in all likelihood you will have issues with your graphics cards unless things got better when I wasn't paying attention. Ubuntu might ship some proprietary drivers that work well with Nvidia cards. You should check anyway.
No.5130
>>5129Nvidia sucks even with the propietary drivers. I checked that myself. It also depends of the specific card you own. Some GPUs have better support than others, so you must check the architecture of your GPU before buying a computer if you plan to run Linux on it. (Also, by general rule, you should check architecture of EVERYTHING if you plan to buy a computer, don't matter the OS).
For Linux you basically want Vulkan.
No.5136
>>5129>FedoraYou mean RHEL.
No.5138
>>5136More importantly, Anon missed the fact that openSUSE is an entirely separate branch that is still popular (last I checked, which was like 10 years ago, please still be relevant).
No.5156
https://www.winboat.app/Supposedly this is getting really good and active development and works really well, but I have to wonder why it's on Docker...
No.5157
>>5063The author explicitly mentions all the basic security features like firewall were turned off.
This is just a fear-mongering article.
No.5158
I'm going to upgrade to iot ltsc version when 25h2 comes out. It's rid of copilot and doesn't require microsoft account to use the os. These are just good enough reasons for me not to switch to linux.
No.5159
They got you right where they want you huh
No.5160
>>5159You aren't helping the cause or convincing anyone to switch with posts like that, it's not very helpful.
No.5161
>>5160I realize that tone might not help most people and I almost always avoid it, but some people contemplating a change might actually respond better to this. It's worth considering that one is being slow boiled by being kept just on the edge of what people are willing to tolerate and look back at how things were ten years ago when they had the exact same feelings. Make it slightly worse, but not enough for it to feel worth the effort to change. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Had these things happened all at once, they would have changed a long time ago.
No.5162
Windows 10 is leaving its support phase tomorrow so my workplace got me a new laptop and I'm able to keep the old one which will be factory reset.
Finally, the other half of my steam library is playable after ten years...
No.5163
>>5156I'm not experienced with this sort of stuff at all, isn't this just a VM with a lighter interface?
My personal issue is just that I want to be able to use any Windows software without compromises, which includes the performance blow from a VM. I know this is essentially just asking for a miracle, sadly.
Wonder how Winboat differentiates from that and what the potential turn-offs are once GPU acceleration works.
>>5161I can see it now, now that it's apparent that you weren't just trying to be mean, the post did get a little chuckle out of me, but negativity got the better of me and I wanted to make sure. I also completely agree with the slow boiling, it's honestly really scary how that works.
No.5187
>>5029You "buy out" open source software by creating proprietary components and pushing software that depends on those components to dominate the ecosystem. This can be done either by creating something innovative that makes your version much better or by throwing money into marketing and bribing people for preferential treatment.
>>5138I'd say it moved from a distant third to a distant fourth on the list of distros you might actually want to use. Only because Arch somehow tricked everyone into thinking it was the new Debian.
No.5188
>>5187>Arch somehow tricked everyone into thinking it was the new DebianI think it was a few things: SysV init holdout (before switching to SystemD), easier to setup than Gentoo but still tryhard, and AUR. A perfect confluence of factors that attracted neckbeards, ricers, and people who complain about having to compile from source because their distro's repo doesn't have up-to-date or bleeding edge binaries. That's my layman's view on how it managed to become so popular.
No.5192
>>5128>updatesYeah, a Windows update that disabled audio in certain games was what caused me to completely ditch Windows and switch to Linux, haven't been happier. A new Windows installation didn't seem to have that problem, and I couldn't be bothered to figure out what combination of the millions of bloat in Windows was causing the issue, so I just said fuck it.
No.5302
>>5301Can we get a picture of the Kissu-PC for meme edits?
No.5304
he should post a picture of the litterbox that's placed beside it
No.5305
he should show the cat that uses the litterbox