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File:[Judas] Kuroshitsuji - S04….jpg (220.65 KB,1920x1080)

 No.79932

The idealization of Western cultural modernity in Kuroshitsuji (and in other postwar Japanese popular culture texts that manifest the shōjo Gothic style) articulates the enduring desire of contemporary Japan to "catch up" with the West and become fully "modern" in Western terms. This desire can be traced back to the final Tokugawa years (1853-67) and the Meiji era (1868-1912), which constituted the turning point in Japan's history when the country first came into contact with Western imperial power in the latter half of the nineteenth century.
In the years before and during the Meiji era, Western artifacts and customs, and the aesthetic disposition or "taste" these artifacts and customs implied, became objects of idolization. According to Kitahara Michio, this "Europeanization fever" (ōkanetsu) was the cultural expression of Japan's Oedipal identification with the West in response to the "shock" of possible colonization (which Kitahara reads as castration) engendered by the arrival of Commodore Perry's warships in 1853 and, I would argue, by the increasing awareness of the realities of international geopolitics in the years that followed.

The Japanese public's almost fanatic desire to possess both Western goods and the Western knowledge needed to consume and appreciate these goods led to intense interest in Western languages, art, apparel, hairstyles, and even the eating of beef. The Meiji writer Natsume Sōseki observed that "men would show off by dangling gold watches, wearing Western dress, growing beards, and interjecting English phrases when speaking ordinary Japanese." Japanese art and culture, on the other hand, were seen as inferior and treated with contempt. For example, woodblock prints by prominent artists were used to wrap fish and vegetables. As I have shown, Japanese identification with Western cultural modernity as a national ideal-I" first arose out of Japan's traumatic historical encounter with Western imperialism just before and during the Meiji period; as the product of that traumatic encounter, it has arguably become rooted in the collective unconscious of the Japanese nation and finds expression today in Kuroshitsuji and other shōjo Gothic texts.

The shōjo Gothic style, as we have seen, is a signifying practice that involves a number of paradoxes. As a postmodern practice of simulation, recontextualization and reinscription, the shōjo Gothic style ironically idealizes the modern. It nostalgically fictionalizes a Western European past in order to articulate the continuing desire of the Japanese nation in the present for the historical phenomenon of Western modernity projected into the future as an ideal to which to aspire.
As a particular expression of the shōjo Gothic style, Kuroshitsuji suggests that there may be two more paradoxes to explore. As a shōjo Gothic text, Kuroshitsuji appropriates and reinvents the signs of a Western European past not only to fetishize an idealized Western European aristocratic taste and lifestyle and the ideal of Western cultural modernity the former symbolizes. It does so also for the counterhegemonic purpose of articulating and affirming a “Japanese" form of (post)modernity that emerges out of capitalist globalization, the formation of a global consumer culture, and the consequent privileging of a different form of cultural capital: namely, the ability to hybridize different cultures that "flow" across national boundaries through the processes of simulation, recontextualization, and reinscription, and to export these hybrid cultural commodities for global consumption.

In other words, the shōjo Gothic style in Kuroshitsuji intervenes in its own idealization of Western cultural modernity to celebrate contemporary Japan's possession of this form of cultural capital that is manifested in the shōjo Gothic style itself. However, in doing so, it participates in Nihonjinron discourses and superflat theory's jingoistic affirmation of the Japanese "Self" as unique, essential, proto-postmodern, and superior to the Western "Other," while neglecting to recognize that the shōjo Gothic style is an enunciative practice of cultural hybridity that, in its construction of post-colonial Japanese national identity, actually subverts the Japan/West binary opposition. As Bhabha argues in The Location of Culture, the act of "translating" the signs of a foreign culture changes the boundaries of both the translated and the translating cultures, thereby producing a liminal hybrid that eludes the polarization of "East" and "West," "Self" and "Other."

 No.79936

don't think you can hide your sources from me, you la la prancing boykisser
but yes i wholly agree and i quite like it i'm gonna keep reading

 No.79937

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I read it all, but I don't really know what to say. Sometimes it seems like the Japanese hold Western culture and history in higher regard than Westerners themselves, like Paris syndrome on a mass scale. There's just a sincere appreciation that you don't see much these days. "I think knights are cool!" and stuff.
In some ways their interpretation of Western stuff persists in a stronger form than it does in the land of origin. Medieval European fantasy is practically their domain now as an example, and of course the American cartoons that inspired anime have been dead for decades now.
Also I like gothic lolita.

 No.79938

I disagree with a lot of this. It's really just the author overcomplicating things and finding meaning where there isn't any in order to stroke his own ego.

 No.79940

The fact that there are faggot o's in there means you copy pasted this from wikipedia and thus I shall not read it.

 No.79941

>>79938
disagree with what, exactly?

 No.79944

>>79942
>>79943
toast

 No.79962

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>>79936
I have been found out..., I haven't finished reading the whole thing yet because it's making my brain hurt.
>>79937
>Sometimes it seems like the Japanese hold Western culture and history in higher regard than Westerners themselves, like Paris syndrome on a mass scale. There's just a sincere appreciation that you don't see much these days. "I think knights are cool!" and stuff.
In some ways their interpretation of Western stuff persists in a stronger form than it does in the land of origin

That's what I got out of reading that part and that they tend to romanticize some western values the same way some western romanticize parts of Japanese culture that isn't around anymore. I think?

 No.79968

>>79941
The Japanese don't see themselves as inferior to the west or needing to catch up, sure they used to but that was a very long time ago. If anything I would argue that the Japanese have the opposite opinion now.

He also does what many commentators do which is look at things from a top down level and ascribe grand overarching motivations to that when in reality Japanese pop culture is incredibly bottom up. Mangaka don't write what they write because of
>the consequent privileging of a different form of cultural capital: namely, the ability to hybridize different cultures that "flow" across national boundaries through the processes of simulation, recontextualization, and reinscription, and to export these hybrid cultural commodities for global consumption.

They do it because they love manga and anime and they see something cool and that inspires them in their own creative endeavours. There is no grand meaning, we of all people should know that given that we are a fandom of that pop culture. Europe simple has some very cool ascetics that work well in many genres and settings, but then so does Japan and for that same reason Japan is treated by the Japanese in the same way that they treat Europe.

 No.80021

>>79968
you are arguing against a ghost, at no point does the writer (or anyone) say anything about the movement being top-down, nor that the japanese merely have an inferiority complex

if you watch pic you can see how the pursuit to find the japanese soul in contrast to imported thought eventually led to people like hirata who saw in this catching up the possibility for a synthesis with which to surpass everyone else, thanks to the inherent superiority of japan through its divine heritage particularly through the imperial family that they later went on to restore to power, in the time period that OP's first paragraph alludes to
take for instance the quote from this paper, "Hirata Atsutane and Western Learning"
>"It is just like the great sea into which flow and mix the waters of many rivers". Hirata concluded, "Thus we see that a man who wishes to attain the pure and correct Way of Japan must know all these kinds of learning. Foreign though they are they can help Japan if Japanese study them and select their good points. It is thus quite proper to speak of Chinese learning, and even of Indian and Dutch learning as Japanese learning"
from here it's no stretch to reach at the conclusion of the co-prosperity sphere, where glorious nippon must spearhead the anti-imperialist struggle as the leader of a new asian order, as myriad texts point out. re-read OP's last paragraph with this in mind, as it's a clear continuation of this previous practice. it also mentions nihonjinron, relevant as well

thus you find the idea that "japan writes the best americans" in armstrong or valentine, that "japanese culture is to remix other cultures" in dogen's skits, or that isekai gaijin find curry rice to be 超うまい (see also sebastian's quoted curry pan with which he beats english and indian chefs), all of them just like gothic lolita a product of heavy syncretism. the author's critique consists on the one hand of calling out this hybridization as a tool of japanese nationalism, a widely acknowledged and commonplace interpretation, and on the other an analysis of how black butler radically simplifies the time period it portrays to focus on heightened aesthetics detached from their historical context for the sake of this <“tasteful” consumption in “Western modernity”>

>There is no grand meaning
said no analyst of anything EVER

 No.80038

>>80021
He implies that it is top down and also does say that the Japanese feel that they need to catch up to the west.
>the enduring desire of contemporary Japan to "catch up" with the West and become fully "modern" in Western terms.

>said no analyst of anything EVER
No, because that would go against their self-aggrandising goals and also they often don;t really seem to know what they are talking about or to really be a part of the culture they are commenting on.

 No.80054

>>80038
it's funny that you originally accused the author of stroking their own ego because that's all you've done

 No.80058

>>80054
I'm not though.

And also that's a silly thing to say anyway. These posts don't benefit me at all, I don't make money from them, I won't get a job through it, this isn't helping me to sell books, I'm not going to be invited for interviews with the media, this isn't getting me connections with important people and businesses, this isn't going to help me publish articles in the media, this isn't getting me views on Youtube or whatever.
This brings no attention to me at all, you literally have no idea who I even am and we are on an anonymous forum with maybe a few dozen people, most of which probably didn't read this thread anyway.

 No.80062

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>>80058
saying you're more knowledgeable than historians or sociologists is very much stroking your own ego, whether you benefit from it or not
i doubt there's anything to discuss if you're just gonna go
¥akshually you see this half-sentence here of a full text i didn't read? it means the smart people aren't smart they're WRONG and I'M the smart one

 No.80063

>>80062
It depends on the Historian or Sociologist in question and what topic they are talking about. Historians do have biases and don't know everything.

Well I already made my point, I don't really care if you object to it but are unable to rebut it nor do I care what reasons for that you hide behind.

 No.80064

not trusting any of these "historians" or "sociologists" until i see their mal profile and anime reaction face folder




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