No.72999
I'd buy BDs, merch, etc of media I really like if I had the money to (which I don't think I will ever have seeing that just one BD volume costs like half of what I earn monthly) but other than that I reject the existence of streaming services. I would like to own a copy of what I paid for thank you very much. Same with games. I find it appalling how the world is moving towards "cloud" storage and trusting big tech with your data.
No.73000
If you're not selling a physical object, you're selling a service. If someone else offers the same or better service for a lower price, I will get it from them instead of you. If you let someone convince you that you should do something that harms yourself to benefit them, you are a fool.
I occasionally make donations to encourage individuals or companies to produce more things that I like. I never give money to "support the creators" and I absolutely never spend more money for a worse service.
No.73001
i have NO purchasing power compared to the international standard and everything costs at least DOUBLE if it gets here AT ALL
there was never a choice to make and i feel no guilt over it
No.73003
I pirate a lot of games but they are almost always games I never would have bought anyway, games that I don't have much interest in but I will play because I am bored or curious to see how they turn out(like Starfeild for example). So the company is not losing anything and often I don't care about the company that makes them anyway(such as in Starfeilds case again). But in some cases it has actually led to me purchasing a game(but not in Starfeilds case).
Anime is a bit different. Ideally I would support it but I don't like Crunchyrole or Netflix or whoever else has the rights to a given IP in the west and I also don't like the way that whole streaming system operates anyway. So I prefer to support anime by purchasing merchandise and once I learn enough Japanese I will buy BDs. I think this system is better in other ways as well, given that the money goes more directly to the company that makes the anime and it also would be part of the domestic market and not the international one. As it is anime does not pander to the west but it's always a worry that if the international market becomes too large that it might.
No.73005
>>73000>you're selling a serviceNo, you're not. You're selling a digital good that should be mine to retain if I purchase it. Saying digital goods should be treated as a service is the perfect mindset for allowing corporations to abuse customer rights by removing access to that service whenever they please.
No.73007
>>72998I'll preface this lengthy reply with a saying that goes "If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing." This alone is the TL;DR regarding morality for the following.
As
>>73000 notes, there is contention with non-physical goods. Sometimes they're a service rather than a tangible product - stop paying and your experience is crippled or you lose access entirely. However, this isn't always the case as I could go purchase a digital book (PDF/epub/etc) to be converted and kept/consumed offline. Or I could pay a one-time fee for music artists' albums in a better format rather than lower bitrate stuff on YouTube, even if the perfectly passable stuff is freely available.
In those two differing examples, there can still be a modicum of actual ownership, since there is a real, albeit non-physical, deliverable to be had.
Cases like those are not the focus, though. The issue is the arbitrary barriers put in place on content that
should follow the above examples. The content that is gated by DRM (e.g. Netflix, Sony), time restrictions on ownership (e.g. self-destructing files), censorship and preventing archiving/preservation (e.g. Nintendo, Sony), geoblocking (e.g. YouTube, Netflix), and the fact that many companies can straight up reach into your paid library and take stuff away or lock you out with no recourse (e.g. Sony's Discovery, Steam bans).
All of these impediments toward ownership are what make existing/potential users question if a similar or better service is available elsewhere for lesser or zero cost/commitment. Wasn't there some example going around that in order to watch the entirety of the Pokemon animated series, you'd need subscription services to like 4+ different streaming sites due to licensing? That's insane and many are fed up with it. This may be one of the more egregious examples, but it isn't alone.
Personally, I believe I've done my 'due diligence' in paying for the content that I keep. Hundreds of light novels, hundreds of physical video games, stacks of artbooks, lots of anime figures, pages of verified purchases of music from Bandcamp producers, paying my artist friends for their great work, and the list goes on. It was a choice and I could easily have sailed the high seas to get almost all of it... and I may or may not still do it even after all that.
Everyone's got differing circumstances and tolerance money-wise like
>>73001, time-wise, convenience-wise, etc. If there's an easier, more featured service to be had elsewhere then I can't blame anyone for taking that route. When licensed providers are sabotaging their services in such ways as to antagonize the consumer to which they're selling, the consumer may just jump ship
(pun intended).
There's a lot more to be said and things I left out, but it'll just turn into a novella. Some things aren't even piracy, such as turning to FOSS alternatives where the more popular product is bloated with telemtry/spying, ads, etc (e.g. Windows, Netflix). Who
wants to pay for a supposedly superior service and still get adds or have their customer data sold to third parties?
There will always be entitled leeches, of course, but I think they're in the minority since most people would like to stick with official venues but have either been priced out or antagonized so much that they'd rather turn to the high seas.
No.73008
>>73005You misunderstand, it wasn't a statement on ownership rights but on the realities of business. The service they are selling is not the data that gets sent to you. The service is the transfer of that data. Data is not limited in the way physical goods are, it can be freely copied and spread uncontrollably. DRM and social engineering can secure you some customers, but their limits are painfully obvious and come at the cost of making the service, which is your actual product, worse. The very idea of a digital good is laughable and if you think otherwise you should invest in NFTs. When I buy a game on Steam, I'm not buying a sequence of 0s and 1s, I'm buying access to the infrastructure for one-click downloading, auto-updating, mod management, etc. that they offer. If that service isn't worth what they're charging, I can put in a little extra effort to get the data elsewhere for free.
>>73004Anime licenses were being sold for dirt cheap to TV broadcasters long before streaming was a thing. The prices are low because content is everywhere and the producers would rather get something than nothing. Piracy enabled fansubbing, which built a robust community with enough disposable cash to enable the current streaming market to take off. The international market for anime/manga/lns/vns was built on the backs of pirates. If the average quality is going down, it's because the growth of the market has outpaced the growth of new talent so the average is dragged down by all the new entries without experienced staff.
No.73010
I believe in budgets.
I think that every person has a certain amount of money that they would be willing to spend on music or games or movies or whatever (even if some industries are coming up with clever ways to trick more money out of you).
The claim of anti-piracy talks is usually on the topic of damage that piracy causes. But if you pirate anime in the price range of thousands of dollars per month, no one can reasonably claim that this stopped you from buying these products. It's evidently way outside of your reasonable budget (even if you technically have the money).
So long as you spend the budget that you are comfortable spending on your hobbies, and, to be more specific, on the titles that you think actually deserve your money, I think you are perfectly justified pirating as much as you want.
Though, since I have mentioned anime before, I need to admit that anime is not something that I want to have a collection of. Nor do I give a single fuck about sexy figures or posters. I have been trying to justify this to me with my purchases in the realm of manga and LNs, but that has never quite worked (and some of my favorite anime are anime originals, too). I'm not sure what to do about that. It's tempting to say that since I don't want an anime collection, that I am therefore not a lost customer. But given that I have watched a lot of anime over the years, that rings hollow.
No.73011
>>73004A substantial amount of the budget for anime studios does actually come from merchandise. I remember it from another thread that was arguing about Anime vs Manga and which made more money or something like that. But somebody posted a breakdown of the money made by anime studios and something like 20% was from merchandise if I remember correctly. Probably more than they make from western streaming services.
No.73013
>>73010You are not watching thousands of dollars of anime a month. At most, it'd cost you a hundred to subscribe to their streaming services. BDs are not the only avenue in which anime is distributed and you're being disingenuous acting like it is. Further, why do you think you're entitled to things you can't pay for? Just because you can't afford a yacht doesn't mean it's okay for you to go out and steal one. If you don't have the money, get a job and earn some. Your justifications are just hollow excuses that can't even convince yourself, let alone anyone else.
No.73014
>>73004pretty sure the anime industry has been making more money than ever
No.73016
>>73013>you're being disingenuous acting like it is.You are missing the point. I am not claiming that every pirate by necessity is always above and over their budget with their piracy. I am proving a rule wrong by testing its limits.
>Further, why do you think you're entitled to things you can't pay for?I don't think I need to be entitled to things that nobody is going to miss. You call me disingenuous and compare piracy to physical theft?
Are you joking or stupid?
No.73017
I don't want to support crooked distributors, censors(!) and semilingual translators.
No.73022
From the gist of this thread people are talking about pirating from publishers and then equating it to pirating everything.
People who have full creative control over their products deserve the dignity of controlling it. If someone built a cool bike, and they say they don't want to give you steps, you can just steal the bike in the middle of the night, break it into pieces, reassemble and return it.. that's not right, you're violating their ability to choose.
No.73024
>>73022In most cases, they don't want to choose who uses their products though. They just want your money.
This is especially true for those content creators who hand away the management of the digital rights to third parties. If something is up on a streaming service or on steam, then clearly the content creator is not taking any interest in who gets to use their products.
No.73025
>>73024They made a choice that they wanted to make money. What is a "third party" anyways. Is Steam a third party? Ubisoft is a third party, but is DLSite or DMM a third party? No... they're shop vendors. You're going up to a grocery store and stealing from the farmer who made potato.
No.73026
>>73025The farmer already made his money by selling to the grocer. Bad example.
No.73027
>>73025>You're going up to a grocery store and stealing from the farmer who made potato.Dude, no.
I'm not going to the grocery store at all. I am sitting in my garden and pulling a rabbit potato out of my magic hat.
The grocery store is not losing any potatoes in the process. Stop equating copying to stealing.
No.73028
>>73027No, you're not copying anything. You're stealing the effort I put into making a product.
No.73029
you would say, using the excuse of copying, that the effort someone puts into making something is worthless.. and the time risk they put into making something is not real... that's self-delusion.
>>73026Hard to make good analogies
No.73030
>>73028>>73029Wrong. I have never said that the effort is worthless. I am telling you that your analogy is wrong.
And stealing the effort? Why can't you argue in good faith?
No.73031
>>73030>Why can't you argue in good faithIt seems we have nothing to discuss if you think legitimate argument is an assault on your belief of living a life contributing nothing
No.73032
>>73031>legitimate argumentYou start off with false equivalences and then follow up with meaningless catchphrases.
There is no legitimate argument anywhere in your position.
>contributing nothingAnd that is objectively incorrect.
No.73033
If I like something enough I'll maybe get some merchandise.
>>73013Who invited the western corporate media shill?
Western streaming services should not be allowed to impact Japanese media through paid censorship and over time pandering to the west. Every time you pay for a western streaming service you make anime just a tiny bit worse. Only physical JP import copies are real. Are you going to buy physical copies of every media you watch? Of course not. You have to pick and choose what's acceptable.
No.73034
>>73032I have no idea how to argue with you then even though I know I'm right.
No.73035
>>73034>even though I know I'm right.Sounds like a semi-religious stance. Perhaps you should really ponder on what exactly your position is before you attempt to argue it.
No.73036
>>73035no, it's confidence
No.73037
If Christ could copy a piece of bread without having to pay for it, why can't I do the same for media products?
No.73038
>>73036You can call it whatever you want.
People have also described their faith in God in various ways. It is ultimately not possible to prove His existence. In the end, you either trust That He is real or you don't.
In this case though, I doubt that "piracy is wrong" should be one of your moral axioms. It should be based on more basic beliefs. Try to break it down for yourself, and then return with some proper reasoning.
No.73040
>>73038I gave you my argument. People put effort into items and that effort should be rewarded. You simply don't like the argument because you have no money and want to feel like you're making a moral decision.
Your commentary on my supposed religous dogmaticism is simply you projecting your insecurities on me
No.73041
>>73040>People put effort into items and that effort should be rewarded.That is not what you said.
If you had said "effort should be rewarded", I would have been able to respond sensibly to a sensible argument.
I could have pointed out that it's missing a qualifier, for one thing. "[ALL] effort should be rewarded"? That can't be right.
Only the effort that you appreciate should. And at that point we can have an argument about how I can judge that.
>you have no money and want to feel like you're making a moral decision.That is both an ad hominem and it dumb. I was discussing on moral terms.
>You simply don't like the argumentYou didn't make the argument.
I didn't "steal" any effort.
Seriously, you need to learn how to argue.
No.73084
the shitposterererer
No.73085
You guys are blinded by your stupid belief that everything should be piratable and that effort is worthless. I don't have anything to say to a bunch of losers like you.
No.73093
Imagine getting upset over people downloading files.
No.73094
>>73046I think the question of how to reward content producers is a discussion that needs to be had, whenever new forms of distribution come to the forefront.
The problem is of course is that the law is strongly influenced by the side that has the more powerful lobby. The discussion was not had. Instead, everybody just did what they could.
I think streaming (or, alternatively, the steam model) has a lot of untapped potential. Unfortunately, companies strive for exclusive rights and in arbitrarily punishing users for using their platforms without stripping themselves naked for them.
There are so many ways that they are fucking with their users that it's really poisoning the well.
And just on a general basis, I refuse to subscribe to 3 different services offering the same thing because they each only offer a small segment of the total pie.
No.73095
>>73092I pirated this picture by the way. It's from a pirated copy. You have now downloaded it too. You fascist.
No.73096
>>73093Imagine getting upset over having hundreds of hours of your effort be labelled as worthless by a bunch of people who have moeny but refuse to pay for it
No.73097
>>73088
Please turn off image loads in your browser. You may be subjected to content you don't own the proper digital licensing for.
No.73098
>>73096Imagine creating something for money and getting upset when people see a cashgrab when they see it and just outright download the file.
No.73101
i prefer IMAGINE
No.73111
slowest spam ever
No.73113
I recomend donating to kissu and getting a token so you don't need to fill out a captcha
No.73136
>>73094>I think streaming (or, alternatively, the steam model) has a lot of untapped potential.I think the exact opposite. Everything I've heard about streaming is pretty much a categorical negative compared to what it replaced; post-box office sales of VHS, DVDs, and merchandise was the primary way to recoup costs for the production of a film. Now, with streaming, that revenue stream is basically nonexistent. Instead, they now rely primarily on content licensing arrangements, such as timed platform exclusivity, and platform trading to recoup costs. However, these profits from what I understand, rarely go towards compensating talent and instead primarily go towards paying back investors. I don't think anyone needs a history lesson on the decline of western cinema; you can observe it for yourself. Standouts like Dune are an aberration among the broader industry's managed decline. Some streaming platforms now have introduced ads, but to my knowledge, these do not go towards compensating the owners of the content being streamed (such as on YouTube), but instead go towards the streaming service themselves.
Likewise, music streaming services, namely Spotify, have a similarly abysmal reputation when it comes to creator compensation as well.
>I refuse to subscribe to 3 different services offering the same thingPersonally, I think the resurgence of content exclusive streaming services is replicating the old Studio System, where movies were exclusively shown in theatres owned by the studios that produced them, and available nowhere else. This is one among many examples of how the concept of intellectual property has been expanded and strengthened by large corporations. Applying the same standards, these streaming services would be broken up for their monopolistic practices.
No.73137
it's always nice to see someone shitpost on smaller imageboards because it serves as a great reminder for how much nicer they tend to be compared to the large one where shitposting of this variety is a diamond dozen.
No.73138
>>73136>I think the exact opposite.I don't think we are disagreeing with each other. The keyword int he sentence you quoted was the "untapped". I really do not see the current system as a good thing.
No.73139
>>73046pay for your usage of products
No.73140
the best things in life are free
No.73141
>>73139So, no more itunes, youtube, radio, TV, libraries, borrowing books from friends or any other wicked trickery.
No.73145
>>73142
But all of these things are means of using products without paying.
No.73146
And again, I'm so sorry to all of the people reading this but I think that if you have to money to pay for something you probably should be paying for it! There's nothing justifiable about piracy and you can do it but stop pretending it's the correct choice!
No.73151
>>73139You care about money. I care about information preservation.
Be yourself. You'll save your soul from having witnessed anything you haven't paid for.
No.73153
>>73151you stupid goddamn crackhead pirate fucking shit.
I care about effort
No.73155
>>73154
again, diminuitive effort wasters equate book burning to creative control
No.73160
okay but really the thing is that he's universalizing his self interest of being compensated for his work to an idiotic degree
see also the eroge thread
No.73173
>>73170
I don't mean it LITERALLY. I mean, when you pirate someone, and that someone is making 100% of their profits(minus the store vendor fees) and you pirate what they have you have to be doing exclusively one of two things:
1) I don't have the money for this so I'm going to pirate it
2) I don't think the creator deserves to be rewarded in any way for their efforts.
In the situation #2, the person is saying "I will not buy merch, donate or support this creator. I will not actively try to grow the [anime] scene or promote the growth of the industry"
No.73175
What if I steal because I just want free shit?
No.73176
I suppose #3 pirate is not really a pirate at all. A fansubber is not a pirate
No.73183
>>73182>Yes, that is more reasonable I supposeIt's not reasonable at all. He is making up a huge fanfic about his made up pirates and then claiming that these are the only kinds of pirates that could possibly exist. When people speak up and say that they buy products and also pirate, he doesn't just ignore them. He explicitly says that pirates will never buy merch, donate or support anything.
His entire position is a lie, and he supports it with retarded analogies and terminology he clearly does not understand.
No.73184
I am happy to pay for streaming service but the ones in my country I feel do not pay enough for it to even be worth it.
I used to buy new Index novels for what it's worth
No.73185
>>73184I saerched "Girls und Panzer + stream + [my region].
I opened 3 legal streaming services.
Not one of them offered the stream, though one of them (amazon) asked me to sign in first before it was willing to check. But it offered me the BDs for sale.
No.73191
oh wait, please don't. I don't want to see your brain explode and leave a pile of pink goo on the ground
No.73215
Okay, real talk, it's election year and certain bad actors may have made it their mission to stir shit up to spread this dogshit farce across the internet. Don't engage any political posts and warn others to do the same.
No.73217
>>73214A buncha spam posts was already deleted. So I'm guessing that the rest is "fine".
>>73215But it's not a contentious issue, especially not within a community of pirates. If it were one of the hot-button topics that actually fester around modern politics, then yeah, I would understand (and then I suspect the thread would already have disappeared). But this seems really just like one dickhead trying to have some fun.
No.73218
>>73016>things that nobody is going to missIf they didn't miss them, they would be giving them away instead of filing copyright infringement lawsuits and sending DMCAs.
The point is that you shouldn't do mental gymnastics to attempt to justify something within a framework designed to make sure it was never justified. Saying "I arbitrarily decided I will purchase only five anime a month and will never ever purchase older things that I didn't buy at first, therefore I am morally justified to pirate anything above that" isn't going to convince anyone. There is no such thing as a (digital) pirate by necessity because anime and games aren't necessities. If you want to argue the morality of piracy, you need to reject the notion that the owners are in any way entitled to be paid.
No.73221
>>73218>If they didn't miss them, they would be giving them awayYou keep trying to talk about physical objects. Stop that. It's not helpful.
>"I arbitrarily decided I will purchase only five anime a month and will never ever purchase older things that I didn't buy at first[]" Don't put words into my mouth. I said "I can afford a certain amount of stuff per month, therefore, whether or not I pirate, you are not going to get any more money out of me".
>There is no such thing as a (digital) pirate by necessity because anime and games aren't necessities.I never claimed that they were necessities.
>you need to reject the notion that the owners are in any way entitled to be paid.Paid for what?
Me not listening to a particular music album is not going to make the rights holder any richer. He can't sell the license to listen to that album to somebody else instead, because any license that he sells is created out of thin air the moment he sells it. There
exists no license that he failed to sell to me. Because I had no budget to buy it, he has fewer products to sell. And, I repeat, this is regardless of whether or not I pirate.
The argument that he is entitled to his payment is therefore meaningless. Completely and utterly meaningless.
In fact, since I have found every single musician that I like by listening to the music for free first, it is even counterproductive. By insisting on payment, they would not have gotten paid. By letting me listen for free, quite a lot of them got a lot money. I don't just randomly buy music.
I will repeat that: If I had taken to heart your argument that owners are entitled to payment, the money that I have spent on musicians would not have been spent on them.
Your reasoning is bad for artists.
No.73222
>>73221you give nothing to anyone and expect them to provide you with everything for free and without hastle or lawsuit
No.73223
>>73222A post says that the poster buys stuff.
In response, you accuse the poster of never buying stuff.
This conversation is over.
No.73227
>>73226yes, they returned back to the author in a way that bypassed issues with publishing. They returned to it in a non-capitalist way.
No.73228
in the end though, it's about what the consumer does with it and if they needed to pirate it
No.73229
Someone spends years learning and mastering a craft, then you turn around and make it worth zero dollars. Why did the person do this? You make them their slave.
No.73230
>>73227How did you end up with such a schizophrenic tapestry of an ideology, verm?
No.73231
>>73230I don't even know what you mean by schizophernic. It's totally salient.
If a person pirates, they need to return something back to the author.
You can post about it on social media, or tell the creator what you thought. Volunteer your time in exchange for goods. Or pay for it later
What the shits in this thread think is "Oh I can just consume porn for free and do nothing" and cycle through content until they have nothing.
No.73232
destructive shitheads think that they can get an infinite stream of content by doing jack shit. I hate them
No.73233
These drug addicts resemble a political ideology which has been removed from the thread
No.73234
Hey, listen to me for a moment, a'ight? I don't care if it's not related to this thread. Just listen!
Yesterday, I went over to Yoshinoya for a simple meal. Yes, THAT beef bowl house, Yoshinoya.
But the whole restaurant was so crowded, I couldn't even find a seat for hours!
Then I saw a poster that said "Special offer! 150 yen discount".
I thought to myself... geez, that's so fucking amazing. You guys don't even normally visit Yoshinoya.
All you bastards came here just for that stupid-assed 150 yen discount.
Just for that 150 yen. ONE FREAKIN' FIFTY YEN!!
Then I saw some parents & children. A family of four eating out at Yoshinoya. Damn, so much for that bitch's home-cooked family feast.
Then one of the little brats said "Daddy's gonna order a large beef bowl".
I couldn't believe it! Uuuuuggh, are you out of your fucking mind!?
Shiiit, i'll pay you 150 yen just to move your stanky fat-ass out of a seat.
Dude, you just don't go to Yoshinoya for that lala-oh-i'm-so-happy dinner bullshit.
It's where you pick a fist-fight with the fucking guy sitting across 'yah in that U-shaped table.
How the fuck can you say "lotta' gravy" with that "oh, i'm so fucking cool, hur-hur-hur..." look!?!?
Damn, I was THIS CLOSE to standing in front of his face and yelling "DO YOU EVEN LIKE EATING THAT MUCH FUCKIN' GRAVY!?"
For a freaking hour, I was THIS CLOSE to doing that.
Shit, I bet you just wanted to use the words "lotta' gravy" out loud. Wow, you're so clever.
Dude, you gotta be like ME. See, now I know what's "all that" in Yoshinoya.
What's cool right now to say is "Negi-daku". That's it!
You see now, a large beef bowl with a lotta onions & an egg is what the hardcore Yoshinoya freaks eat. Like ME.
Saying "Negi-daku" means that you get less meat, but they put a WHOLE MESS of onions.
Mmmmm... a large beef bowl with onions & an egg, now THAT'S what I call a meal.
But anywhoo... ordering that is kinda' like a double-edged sword. Cuz' then the waiters might notice you the next time you come by.
So yeah, I can't reccomend this to noobs.
For you, just go order a beef and salmon combo. That's as far as you can go, you know what i'm sayin'?
No.73236
I'm morbidly curious, what do you think about infinitely automatically generated content? Is that something you'd pay for? Is that something that should be payed for? And lets put aside it's quality for this question, don't handwave it off with "all AI content is bad"
No.73237
>>73236Everyone on kissu would have committed suicide by now.
No.73238
but make no mistake, the norms are endlessly happy in such a utopia
No.73239
can you imagine such a future where the only meaning to life is to have a family or go to war?
No.73240
sorry, but all AI content is philosophically bad and toxic to a country.
No.73242
>>73241well maybe the mods should do something about it. Indeed.
No.73243
Infinitely generated AI content is the death of humanity. When we reach that point we'll have peaked and will just be waiting for an emergent AI deity to appear.
No.73245
>>73241I think it's better it falls off and people forget it ever happened so people can enjoy themselves again
No.73246
>>73241Will you really call this shitflinging serious?
Look into my eyes, nee-chan.
Look into my eyes and say: "This was a serious conversation."
No.73248
>>73246The intended discussion topic from OP, yes.
The squabbling, no.
With that, I'll not drag this thread any longer. Enjoy your anime/manga/LN time, everyone!
No.73255
>>73231"Hey, bro, I know you said your game was worth $10, but i believe all media is pay-what-you-want and what I want to pay is the following sentence: It was pretty good."
You're basically telling creators to go fuck themselves and then turning around to tell pirates they're immoral scumbags for doing the same thing. Either creators have the right to decide how and at what price their works are distributed or information is free and people can do whatever they want with it.
No.73257
>>73252Very thought provoking post.
No.73259
>>73255If you're going to pirate at least give them something you scumbag. I don't want to tell you you can't pirate things on the Internet, but if you're just consuming it because you're waiting for AI to come around and inevitably make you become a content alcoholic then you might as well just turn yourself in at a police station
No.73260
I don't have to give anyone anything for information that is free.
No.73261
and "pay what you want" is fundamentally how socialism and capitalism blend together in the co=operative space. You don't have to sell it to them if it's an item of scarcity but you're required to have something be given back.
>>73260FUCK OFF IT'S NOT INFORMATION IT'S ENTERTAINMENT
No.73262
>>73261Unless you're some huge nerd, NO ONE IS READING WIKI FOR FUN
No.73263
WIKIPEDIA IS FREE
No.73264
ANIME NOT FREE
No.73265
INDIE GAMES: ABSOLUTELY POSSITIVELY NOT FREE
No.73266
INDIE CONTENT IS NOT FREE
No.73267
YOU CAN NOT MORALLY PIRATE INDIE SOFTWARE
No.73268
DO NOT PIRATE GAMES SOMEONE IS TAKING A RISK TO MAKE
No.73272
>>73261If it can be stored on a computer as a 1 or a 0, it's information buddy jack retard.
No.73278
>>73265>INDIE GAMES: ABSOLUTELY POSSITIVELY NOT FREEThe best indie game of all time is LITERALLY free.
>>73268Every game that is made with an expectation of financial return is taking a risk. Indies shoulder significantly less financial risk than AAA games do.
No.73280
>>73278No doubt made by someone who doesn't need money, but that's not the case for many who make games with the expectation that they can pay their bills with them
No.73283
An indie without a big name absolutely depends on his game getting put out there.
An AAA production meanwhile has a massive budget for advertisement.
Piracy actually helps small creators because it gives them visibility.
And don't repeat the stupid claim that pirates don't buy. There are studies on the topic. Google it.
No.73287
>>73285You didn't pay for that .jpeg, that is piracy and you are spreading that information to others.
No.73288
>>73283What you don't understand is that I word piracy in a more forgiving sense of the word. That there's people who look at it as a positive and there are people who approach it as if they're shoplifters.
I reject the people who look at it with the same psychology as shoplifters
No.73289
>>73287Now you are infected with piracy. Your firstborn daughter will be born with an eyepatch and a weird pronunciation of every R.
No.73290
And the people who have money but refuse to pay even if they like something. SCUM DIE
No.73291
If you like a girl, you must pay her for sex.
No.73292
>>73285What did you do to deserve to look at that image?
No.73293
>>73291You misunderstand again, relationships are an exchange of mutual interest and if either party does not like one another you can not rape them
No.73294
You are a rapist disgusting pirate fascist
No.73299
>>73291I would sell my own house to have sex with Rias.
>>73292Have a raging bone for her.
No.73300
>>73291Girls steal my genetic information to make unauthorized copies of something I worked hard to make. They are filthy pirates and I deserve to be compensated for what they are taking from me.
No.73301
>>73300they're not copies you would be horrible father. They are a set of variations done with creative commons
No.73308
sure sure, stealing is wrong. bet next you'll be telling me that incest is wrong too.
No.73310
Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984), also known as the
"Betamax case", is a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States which ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television shows for purposes of time shifting does not constitute copyright infringement, but can instead be defended as fair use.[1][2] The court also ruled that the manufacturers of home video recording devices, such as Betamax or other VCRs (referred to as VTRs in the case), cannot be liable for contributory infringement. The case was a boon to the home video market, as it created a legal safe harbor for the technology.[3]
The broader legal consequence of the Supreme Court's decision was its establishment of a general test for determining whether a device with copying or recording capabilities ran afoul of copyright law. This test has created some interpretative challenges for courts when applying the precedent to more recent file sharing technologies available for use on home computers and over the Internet.[3]
[1]
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/464/417/[2]
https://copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/sonycorp-universal-1984.pdf[3]
https://web.archive.org/web/20110812133723/http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~pam/papers/Sony%20legacy%20FLR.pdf No.73321
>>73008>The international market for anime/manga/lns/vns was built on the backs of pirates.The really interesting part is that you can in a way analyze piracy as being functional to consumerism, in that it allows more people to partake in mass media even if they lack the means to do it normally, and serves as a hook for others who then go on to become purchasers. I understand it's one of those things that makes studies on the matter so muddy. I've been in contact with it all my life, I can attest to it.
Back in 2005 me and my brothers were playing some Power Rangers fighter and a Toy Story platformer on a famiclone, by 2010 we'd go to a gallery and they'd show us this picturebook catalogue featuring hundreds of game covers for PC, PS2 and the Wii and if the "brood" was in we'd leave carrying a dozen flimsy black boxes with a badly printed cover containing gray disks that'd been written on with markers to differentiate them from each other (motherfuckers sold me Cataclysm once, it was only the free trial), it was only later by 2015 that we'd finally encounter for the first time official retail videogames for the Xbox 360 and ended up owning like six of them total. Fuckall compared to the older piles of disks, so much for that.
And then during the pandemic I decided to give Warhammer a try, the problem was that no stores exist. Way back when, there used to be many clandestine lead foundries up and about, but after Geedubs heard the news they took a trip here, closed them down, and promptly left again. Nobody benefitted from it, everyone lost. Now all across the metropolitan area with its fifteen million people there were only two places still playing the game that I managed to get a hold of, the one I visited consisted of eight or so men between thirty and fifty something years old renting a room in the back of a sports club on Sundays, its expenditures partly sustained thanks to the honcho who ran a leftover foundry himself. I still have the spreadsheet he shared with me. It would not exist today if it weren't for piracy. Meanwhile, I've yet to see an officially licensed anime DVD in person. Manga yes, lots, but no anime.
No.73348
>>73335please refrain from resorting to water fountains. If you genuinely like water, let's purchase a bottle and drink it properly!
No.73351
>>73321>Meanwhile, I've yet to see an officially licensed anime DVD in person. Manga yes, lots, but no anime.I think the reason for that is that physical video media is going the way of the dodo. It's all gone to streaming services. Book stores on the otherhand still exist in plenty despite e-books. Even the most milquetoast of Barnes and Noble has manga like the combatants one made by the Konosuba author where the main character flops his cock onto some old dude's head.
Despite that I've never actually bought any physical manga copies. I don't trust reviews, covers, and summaries enough to sell me on if a story is good, and I don't want to buy something only to find out it's trite two or three chapters in. That and they don't ever have all the volumes in stock, so I'm left with ordering it off amazon. It's just more convenient to go to a scanlator hosting site and blow through the entire thing, even better if they've translated the raws without gratuitous censorship.
>>73300Au contraire, they use your genetic information to make copies of themselves.
No.73355
>>73348you know you pay for water infrastructure in your taxes right?
No.73356
>>73355oh yeah? well here's what i think about your "water infrastructure", nestle shill
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I suppose this is why no one on this site does anything interesting. Because you all think effort has no inherent worth
No.73365
>>73291*materializes the girl in a lucid dream and fucks her for free*
No.73366
>>73361Why should one bother with "interesting" things if effort has inherent worth, regardless of what one puts that effort into?
No.73368
You're lazy and project it onto others. Got it.
No.73379
bump
No.73380
Okay let me ask this:
Is it moral to pirate characters from different stories and put them into your own story?
Like fanfic tier bullshit.
No.73421
Some 10 years or so ago, I became hesitant to pirate western stuff. It felt like there were a lot more people getting caught, and I was not part of any secret club.
That roughly coincides with the point when I stopped following western games (and movies/TV shows). With a few exceptions, pretty much all I'm playing is older than 2014.
Sims 4 (received an illegal copy around 2016 from a friend) - I was already interested in the game because I've always liked the Sims series. Unfortunately, this one is dreadfully dull.
StarCraft II (which is FTP, sometime around 2020) - pushed into it by a friend who was looking for a way to connect with me.
Baldur's Gate 3 (didn't get it yet) - because I'm an avid fan of the original games.
Icewind Dale:EE (purchased just yesterday) acquired because I think I remember EET allowing me to integrate it into my Baldur's Gate mod-setup.
Most of the games I play are legal, even if I didn't pay for them. I made an exception for the Sims because I spent such a massive amount of money on the first one plus expansions, the sequels would have been just as expensive. Sims3 was great fun, and I might have eventually paid for it if it hadn't been so terribly bugged. The bugs broke the game, quite literally. Sims4 was better on that end, but failed to be fun.
I just don't discover new games anymore.