I've had lots of apples straight from trees, and American store bought ones
American store ones are fine, and if you take into account the added variety of species available (fuji apples pls) its even better than what I could get from my farm

Excessive redness, huh, you must be thinking of those awful red delicious ones in particular

>>1149
Never trust anything with "delicious" in its name. The food should be good enough on its own to justify its existence, not its name.

But that's not true at all...
It's a wax mixture and it's applied to many different fruits. I could spend time explaining, but I think an article is better: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/why-fruit-has-a-fake-wax-coating/524619/
If you want to read up on what plants are GMO as a whole you can read this government site: https://www.fda.gov/food/agricultural-biotechnology/gmo-crops-animal-food-and-beyond

Apples sitting on the shelf for over a year is pretty absurd, but I think they can possibly be a month or so from picking. The US also gets a lot of fruit from South America, which may be obvious when there's tropical fruit available in winter. There really is no reasonable way to get it from there to here hours after being picked.
GMOS are not the great evil people like to think of them as. My problem with them is the idea of patenting DNA patterns and the unfortunate reality of corporate giants like Monsanto being the beneficiaries. It's the usual 'rich get richer' scenario.
There's been no evidence to show that they aren't a far better way of increasing yield over dangerous pesticides (although some are GMO'd to tolerate pesticides...), and one of the few great US government organizations is the FDA which is in charge of such things. The unfortunate reality is that the planet can't sustain 8 billion people on organic, non-GMO, pesticide-free plants. If a parcel of land can grow 500 organic fruit, but 2000 GMO fruit, it becomes a moral quandary doesn't it?

>So for the Americans here that have eaten apples like this before: what do they taste like?
They taste like apples, I guess. It's a thin film that's on the outside and I don't like apple skin so I have no idea if it confers a taste.

>>1151
>but I think they can possibly be a month or so from picking
Oh wait, I read the article I posted and it does say "months". That's impressive.

They taste fine. If there's an actual layer of wax I've never noticed one being there. After all, with changes in temperature, a thick layer of wax would contract at a different rate and shrivel up and crack on the apple. Besides, wax is edible anyways.


>the ones they sell at grocery stores are 14 months old on average!
They don't taste any different really from freshly picked apples if they've been stored properly. For apples that are going to be in transit for some amount of time rather than being supplied to a local store, they pick apples before they begin to ripen. Then, when they're ready for being delivered to a store, they can spray the natural plant molecule to that causes the apples to begin ripening. Were it not for this technique there would be astronomical amounts of food waste trying to deliver fresh fruits and vegetables across long distances.

>>1149
I was watching a video about these types of apples a while ago. Apparently, they kept breeding for the apples to be more and more red or something like that, but they weren't also selecting for taste, so they kept getting worse and wrose.

>>1154
Those sorts of issues pop up a lot with selective breeding. Same reason the largest tomatoes taste like crap as well.

>>1151
>It's a wax mixture and it's applied to many different fruits.
It's very excessive in this case since it's meant to preserve it for long periods of time. Fruits having a little bit of wax on it is indeed normal (they have a natural coating while growing), but not this crazy amount. There are videos of people scraping the wax off the apple and a ton of it comes off. That can't be good for you. I tried doing the same with an apple I found in my house today and nothing came off. The ideal thing to do would be removing the apple's skin before eating it.

>Apples sitting on the shelf for over a year is pretty absurd, but I think they can possibly be a month or so from picking
No, it is indeed as absurd as it sounds and they stay in cold storage with the thick layer wax for over a year: https://www.foodrenegade.com/your-apples-year-old/

>They taste like apples, I gues
The problem is, you may not know what an actual apple tastes like since you've been eating this, let's face it, garbage your whole life.

>>1156
>The problem is, you may not know what an actual apple tastes like since you've been eating this, let's face it, garbage your whole life.
Not Anonymous, but I lived a few miles from an orchard for a long time and had fresh apple cider, and fresh apples. The difference in taste between them and the store bought kind is negligible, even after moving away from that place. The biggest difference is how juicy the apple is, but some people don't like getting covered in sticky juice anyways.

That said, I lived in the Eastern US. Maybe it's a different matter further West, or in other countries or states that don't have local orchards.

do americans seriously? americans are so strange wow i can't believe american american american american theyre so dumb and stupid that's why i literally cannot stop thinking about them how strange they are

>>1156
>It's very excessive in this case since it's meant to preserve it for long periods of time
But, excessive by comparison to what? I don't think anyone would develop a wax that purposely stops working after a week. The article I linked mentioned that it's an extremely small amount that is spread very thin. It's something meant to be negligible or it would make consumers suspicious.

>There are videos of people scraping the wax off the apple and a ton of it comes off. That can't be good for you.
Reputable videos, or is this youtube and tiktok? There's nothing to keep people from sensationalism on the internet. If true, it could be defective spray or something. That's definitely not normal.

>https://www.foodrenegade.com/your-apples-year-old/
Unfortunately food blogs like that are a mixed source of information because they're often selling their own products for you to buy or have affiliate links/ads sprinkled around. I don't know if she's wrong her about nutrition because it doesn't sound like these apples are frozen, but rather put in low a low temperature, low oxygen environment. Frozen fruit and vegetables are still nutritious, though, and can be a better choice in many situations.

>The problem is, you may not know what an actual apple tastes like
Only partially true. My family had an apple tree until I was 12 or so and it died from disease. I really can't remember what they tasted like.

>you've been eating this, let's face it, garbage your whole life.
I have a feeling that you have an opinion that won't be altered by discussion or new information..

>>1160
>But, excessive by comparison to what?
To normal apples.

>The article I linked mentioned that it's an extremely small amount that is spread very thin. It's something meant to be negligible or it would make consumers suspicious
It's something you can tell just by looking at them. They're not supposed to be that shiny. The shinyness is due to the coat of wax. The ones I eat don't look anything like that. Natural fruit wax is different and can be easily rubbed/washed off.

>Unfortunately food blogs like that are a mixed source of information because they're often selling their own products for you to buy or have affiliate links/ads sprinkled around
It's just the first link I found and it seems like it's credible to me. Here's another one: https://www.wellandgood.com/how-long-do-apples-last/

>>1161
Why do you care so much about wax... it's not like they're coating apples in gasoline or something.

>>1162
Well, do you enjoy eating wax? It's definitely something I wouldn't want in my mouth. If I was ever forced to eat an American apple I would make sure to remove the skin before eating it.

Do you get like this over all fruit preserves

There's absolutely nothing wrong with GMOs except that most of them are proprietary and come seedless so you can't plant your own. Fucking IP laws!

>>1165
I wonder if there's something like FLOSS but for GMOs?

>>1163
I don't mean to alarm you, but wax has been used in food and food preparation since at least the 1800's. If you've ever eaten canned or jarred goods, anything baked on wax paper, or shiny candies, you've probably eaten wax.

Eat wax nerds

>>1166
Yeah, it's called nature.

They also eat vomit chocolate, they are weird.

>>1167
I know, but not every wax is created equal (what they used in the 1800s was more natural) and quantity matters. American apples have a whole thick layer of wax riddled with chemicals that gives the fruit an unnatural shine.

>>1170
Oh yeah, I've heard about that one as well. Hersheys chocolate contains butyric acid which is the same type of acid found in vomit. I dunno if it's just this one brand or more, but it's used for the same reason as the wax on the apple; to give it a longer shelf life. There's also American cheese which can hardly even be called cheese. It's more like a barely edible piece of yellow plastic.

your trash argument is making it harder for me to justify hating america
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>>1169
Nature isn't real. It's also not a replacement for GMOs.

Thought it might be pertinent since this board is very Japanese-centric. In Japan, they never eat the skin of the apple, they almost always peel them first (as evident in tons of anime depicting this practice). While I lived there I would often run into these cultural quirks and would always ask the reasoning behind them. For apples, most of them reported that they were taught the skin wasn't good for you. I found that interesting because when I was in school I was actually taught the opposite, that the skin and the flesh directly under it was the most nutrient dense part of the apple.

My guess? In the past (an maybe even now) Japanese growers (and probably imports too) had a lot of pesticides sprayed on them so to avoid that they peeled the skin off. Or the apples got dirty in other ways (manure causing e ecoli etc), OR it's just another Japanese cultural quirk that has no actual logical reasoning (there are actually a lot of those).

>>1174
I could see that. For some fruits like grapes though I heard they don't eat them with skins because their traditional cultivars of grapes have thick skins.
There's also China and their insistence on hot water. That actually is a holdover from a time when they had to boil all their water because of the quality of their water treatment.

>>1171
> (what they used in the 1800s was more natural)
"Natural" is a bit hard to define because ingredients are derived from natural sources. After skimming some sites it seems like it's usually a mix of natural waxes from harvested plants and petroleum-based waxes. I guess it's a matter of debate if petroleum is natural since it's made from dead organisms, but it certainly doesn't grow on a tree.

The main takeaway from this discussion should be that not all food is available in all areas at all times, but stuff like food waxing or freezing is used to greatly increase food availability and longevity. It's not a perfect system, but nothing is. Personally, I like the idea of people not starving to death.

If it's so necessary why doesn't it happen elsewhere?

>>1172
Note to self: Don't get in the way of vermin and his infinite hatred for Americans

>>1171
>American apples have a whole thick layer of wax riddled with chemicals that gives the fruit an unnatural shine.
it's not a thick layer. stop calling it that.

>>1175
>That actually is a holdover from a time when they had to boil all their water because of the quality of their water treatment.

It's not really. It's based in Chi, they believe that cold food has negative chi.

>>1177
It's not necessary per se, but as was said it increases longevity and reduces waste.
According to this article one of the additives is/was banned (2011) in Europe: https://www.goodfruit.com/european-rule-takes-the-shine-off-apples/
>“There’s no health concern at all,” said Dr. Mike Willett, vice president for scientific affairs at the Northwest Horticultural Council. “It’s just a matter of cultural biases. The Europeans say, ‘Why do we need to have shiny fruit?’”
The specific thing is also used in Canada, Japan, Taiwan, and Australia.
I don't really know what else to say; the amount of work required to rewire someone's strong anti-American biases is something I probably wouldn't do for free and it would only be temporary at that.

>>1184
Health is not the issue here, taste would be. So it says it's used in my country? I don't know that I have seen it before, but then I don't eat apples anyway.

I'm not the person you are thinking off(but I am also strongly anti-American).

>>1185
Well, taste is sort of easy to write off. A very thin layer of wax seems unlikely to alter the flesh of the fruit. Year-old cool gas apples? Possibly, but I don't personally know. I've eaten farmer's market apples, organic apples and regular grocery apples and can't tell a major difference, but I'm not one of those food snobs so maybe I'm wrong.

>I'm not the person you are thinking of
I don't really care who anyone is, people have massive chips on their shoulders about the US and it's far from an identifiable trait on imageboards.

I prefer my wax on cheese

>>1193
Inside is yellow :^)

>>1193
ah yes the cheese

>>1193
I remember when I was a kid and I thought the red stuff was like the skin of an apple so I tried biting into it and it was NOT tasty.

>>1166
There's talks about it here and there but it still isn't a relevant movement like FLOSS is (yet).

Turns out farming isn't fun and exciting for cappuccino hipsters (and their laptops of free ubuntu operating systems) to get behind.

>>1198
It depends on what you mean. Lots and lots of people picked up gardening during the pandemic, but I don't think many would be leaving the city to live on the land, no.