It must be pretty bad if even /co/ hates it

>>21293
doesn't seem like they do, but I meant anti-fans in the way of people that hate it because of its popularity

seems like on the whole there's a good amount of people that do like it
https://boards.4channel.org/co/thread/140209246

It was fine

Well, it's a collaboration between Gooseworx and the Murder Drones guys, both of which already had over a hundred million channel views each before this.
>>21293
It's a story about a bunch of people trapped in a nonsensical digital world trying to not go insane, basically. By no means bad.

>>21296
I guess that makes sense, but at the same time it's more popular than anything previously made on their channels and only in a matter of weeks

>>21297
Yeah, I can't say why it exploded so hard, but it's built on a years-old foundation so it shouldn't be too weird either. An actual show made by Goosey does sound promising.

Youtube recommendations

>>21299
Ferociously boring explanation.

I watched a few minutes of it. Thought it was pretty boring.

>>21301
Yeah, can't really say that the style of humor spoke to me that much.

The premise is right out of this tumblr conversation:
>I genuinely think we're witnessing the emergence of a third broadly accepted option: whimsical fantasy adventure in the mode of popular children's programming, except everyone is clinically depressed.
An option that gets old really fast. Ooh la la, it's whimsical but actually it's cynical on the inside. That's why I dislike the rabbit character.
But as much as I rag on that I actually liked this pilot. I'm interested in the mystery that's been set up. And watching a cute sympathetic girl get tormented will always be enjoyable (pic related).

Don't feel like watching it right now, but I understand the appeal and why people would get invested it. What sort of non-Japanese animation can people get excited about these days? These are people in a desert getting some rain. From what I've seen this is a small-ish studio and not a big one, so maybe "indie animation" is the future/present of Western animation just like it is for video games. I think people may will it into becoming a thing just by virtue of wanting something new.

Another nice discussion thread made on /secret/ where it won't show up on /all/ and get activity from possible new visitors seeing non-Japanese content to expand kissu's userbase...

>>21303
>whimsical fantasy adventure in the mode of popular children's programming, except everyone is clinically depressed
Both "thing looks childish but isnt" and "muh depression" are done to DEATH
Goddamn fuck english-speakers and their depression

>>21304
Its on /secret/ because its controversial

>>21305
>Both "thing looks childish but isnt" and "muh depression" are done to DEATH
I don't think this really does exactly that trope. There's no twist, from the onset the premise is laid bare that it's characters are stuck in some vr world and unable to get out. Definitely agree that they leaned too hard into the nihilism from the bunny to where it started to grate on me a bit, but maybe given it's a pilot they polish stuff up when they actually get it going and it becomes something I might actually be interested in seeing, but don't really see it stealing my attention away from anything else atm.

>>21304
Yeah, the western indie scene seems to be where most of the creativity here is coming from. With movies, games, and animation the west's big producers have been mostly killed by installing businessmen into positions of authority where they drive out all creativity or artistic vision to produce whatever slop hits every box on a committee checklist that's been statistically engineered to shit out "wide-appeal" blockbusters one after the other. Obviously given the state of big western media right now the money well is drying out since people seem to be getting tired of the endless same-y drivel and as such more eyes are probably going to be on indie stuff that has actual vision behind it. I can only hope that more stuff like this pans out so that western media can be rebuilt from the ground up, and as such I'm happy this seems to be such a success. I didn't post this to /qa/ or /jp/ because I don't really have too much of a vested interest in the series itself, but I did have some reactions to it that I thought would work well on /secret/. Don't blame me for putting it here, blame everyone else for not making something better to address it on one of the serious boards in the two weeks it's been blowing up.

i hope theres some awesome rule 34 of it

isekai?

I wouldn't say the depression trope is done to death. It's just there's one really 10/10 cartoon dealing with the tragedy of being alive and everyone else tries to make it better.

[spoilers but good scene]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHfIq3-oHTg&t=1s

after watching it through and looking at most of the commentary around it, I think we're probably going through a change in what's considered contrarian. Where hating these sorts of art projects is the new norm and it's cool to like them.

huh neat somehow already has 11 different languages for the audio

>>21334
also original > jp dub
but the russian dub is surprisingly well done

>>21304
>>21323
Maybe it's because I barely interact with them anymore, but the more time goes on, the more I feel like big-budget studio-driven projects are a relic of a bygone era.

The advantage of the indie market is that it's very direct. If you're working with a big corporation, you need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get anything made to begin with, and corporations are only looking to make things shaped like existing things, because the steaks are so high (and the system so inefficient) that they only want things they know will make a profit.

When you're an indie, you can just make the thing you want to make and see if it takes. This gives creators greater satisfaction, because they get to work on something they're truly passionate about, and consumers more choice, since anyone with the skills needed to make something being able to make it results in so much more media being made. Obviously, it results in more failures, but that's okay; the stakes are low enough that a failure doesn't matter, and we can figure out what does and doesn't work by trial-and-error much faster.

>>21333
I think we're seeing an end to the sort of cringe-culture ironic detachment that was trendy in the 2010s. It's still there, but there's a sense like it's out of step with the times; that spending all your time shitting on things isn't as fun as we thought it was.

>>21335
actually the jp dub is mostly really bad or average outside of ragatha who's one of the best of the entire selection, guess you could say on the whole it's a good example of being able to hear bad jp va work. although i'm still amazed by how well done the russian dub is didn't know the language had a good scene for dubbing

>>21336
High steaks! Where, where, where??? I want meat

hmmmm
im gonna see if i can pick up on "bad JP VA"

i dont think that i really can
i have a vague sense that its not native japanese speakers giving the lines but non-native speakers who can speak at a high level while still having a foreign accent
but i dont know if i would have that impression if i hadnt been told that its an example of bad VAs
the biggest thing giving the impression of low quality work there is the lack of lip synching and the fact that in the swearing gag pomni didnt actually swear the first time

>>21344
jax is really flat and doesn't come across as too crass, pomni is too cutesy and lacks the emotional peak of the original, caine just sounds fine or like someone trying to be a presenter, kinger has a unique voice but doesn't sound so much freaked out as he does weird, and on top of all of this most of them feel like they're way too close to the mic

>>21345
thats true the jap VAs dont maintain whats good and unique. and i did pick up on the kind of fuzzy quality of the sound that could be because they're too close

>>21346
>whats good and unique
whats good and unique about each character, i meant

this is the only rule34 that ive seen that ive liked
for shows with character design styles like this i dont like it when its faithfully on model but i also dont like it when they completely ignore the characters' canonical bodies and give them generic big tits and thick thighs and the same slutty personalities
so its a narrow band of goodness to target
pomni is cute and endearing but not sexy nor beautiful so you have to lean into the former---this artist (nsfw link) has a theme he sticks to and a distinctive art style where he goes most of the way to matching the proportions of the original characters but everything is rendered in this pixelated oekaki way. the latter is an asset for rule34 of this particular property. same face as the source material, same facial expression (except plus a lewd blush), the trunk elongated to make it more human-shaped but rest of the body is unchanged. and that keeps the cuteness

>>21323
Vivziepop in particular seems to be doing really well, Helluva Boss is still gettings tens of millions of views and Hazbin was picked up by Amazon. It kiiiinda falls into the "Martial arts action with tits and gore" category of >>21303 but I don't think that does it justice.
>not making something better to address it on one of the serious boards in the two weeks it's been blowing up
Hey! It's not my fault, I had no idea this was a thing.
>>21334
Interesting, it had 9 at the time OP posted it.
>>21339
>>21345
Jax seems the hardest to nail, it's also off in the Spanish dub. He sounds too smug, more hostile, and not tired/casual/detached enough. I think a good line to compare is the "whatever you say, kid" at 3:17. In English it's said almost softly, rather than simply "lmao you're wrong." 7:47 also feels very different.

Everyone postin Marx

Isekai will always be lightweight fantasy

>>21348
oh it's the guy that specifically draws girls' reacting to vaginal in pixel art
one of those shockingly narrow tastes

>>21362
>one of those shockingly narrow tastes
i love those artists

changed my mind i like it a lot now the bright colours and wide variety of characters with legible facial expressions+body language appeal to me

Just saw the pilot and I loved it. It left me wanting more, which is a feeling I haven't gotten from Western animation in a long time.

Special mention goes to the OST. Gooseworx is a very good composer.

>>23709
OH, I hadn't realize she'd composed that too, but it makes total sense. Nice.