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 No.98115[Last50 Posts]

Right now it seems to be a good time to build a PC:
CPUs and GPUs are coming back in stock.
GPU price dropped to MSRP, thanks to the end of GPU crypto mining.
New generation, low availability technologies are cropping up like PCIe 4, DDR5, RTX 4090, AM5 socket, diverting consumer attention away from previous gen.
M.2 SSDs are cheaper than ever, and will be even cheaper in the near future because of flash memory chip oversupply.

What does /qa/ think about building a PC now?


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I don't really follow computer news unless I know I'm being parts soon, which I'm not, so I can't really give my own input. But, it does seem like a good time due to world events putting future supplies of stuff in an unpredictable position to say the least.
GPUs seem like a mess right now to me and that's the only thing I could see myself buying apart from a new PSU to support it.
Man, it sucks that EVGA is leaving the GPU market. I loved those guys and I haven't used any other brand in like 15 years.


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I think it's a pretty good time for building if you're in the mood for an upgrade. As for myself, got a new 3080 for about half what people were paying just a few months ago for these.


yeah its great
too bad I already have a pc


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How much is that, and is that a normal price now or did you get a special deal?
I guess Black Friday is coming in a little over a month, too, so there might be some deals there. (I think that's one commercial American holiday that has gone global thanks to the internet)


Got my (nice) 3080 for ~$800, and my father a few months before me bought his 3070 for around $1500, so it's come down quite a bit, and should definitely come down even more come black friday now that the 40 series is the hot new thing.


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Bleh, $800. Yeah, it'd need to be cheaper than that. How much VRAM is that?
I wonder if EVGA still has any to sell. Probably not.


10GB of VRAM.


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Dang, people were talking about using 12GB for some of this AI stuff. Maybe I'll just wait for the 60xx series


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Well can't regular RAM make up for any lack of VRAM or am I missing something? Surely most people have at least 16GB these days right?


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Hmm, I'll have to read up on that, but I feel someone would have mentioned that somewhere if that were the case. If it is, that'd be a great benefit to me since I future-proofed myself a bit and have 32gb of regular RAM


>Well can't regular RAM make up for any lack of VRAM or am I missing something?
That's not how it works, no...


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But they both have RAM in their names...


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I guess that'd be too simple, huh.
Looked at the 3090 for the hell of it and it has 24GB. Could they really not field something between 10 and 24?


Well if you want more vram you can go to ebay and get a used 3090 for under $800 right now...


I'm going to build a PC.


Ganbare!! Remember to use https://pcpartpicker.com so you can find out which sites have the lowest prices for components!


It's a fantastic website, giving you the option to filter its comprehensive listings by so many criteria and telling you about compatibility and estimated wattage. All websites should aspire to be as valuable in their domain as pcpartpicker.


Per component wattages are getting ridiculous...


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just got a 5700x for $210
like how cool it runs, all cores 3.7ghz sustained only gives 63c while the fan still runs quiet and performs 40% faster than the old 2700x
tried to use the auto oc option and it sustained at 4.4ghz but performance improved only by 10% and the temperature went sky high and the fan was too loud so i left it at stock config for now


I really wish Intel would stick with a socket for more than 2 generations. There was a rumor recently that the generation after Raptor Lake might use the same LGA1700 socket because the CPU retaining mechanism says LGA17XX/18XX, but I'm sure it will be incompatible and require a new motherboard...

With how expensive motherboards are getting, I'd at least like it to be able to support a few generations... I don't get why they can't just make an "LGA2000" or something and then just have a bunch of reserved pins for IO expansion in the future if newer motherboards need more IO to support PCIe 6.0 or DDR6 or something.


I'm thinking of getting a new PSU on Cyber Thursday/Black Friday and potentially a new GPU. This 6GB of VRAM is really starting to bother me- I couldn't use the HD texture pack in Monster Hunter World a few years ago and the personalized AI fetish porn generator needs at least 10GB if you want to make your own models.
But, if I'm upgrading stuff I'd probably want to start watercooling again- I still have my old pumps, reservoirs and radiators, but I'd need new CPU and GPU coolers. Bleh. This is a lot of money so I don't know if I'll bother at all.


are the prices low for real now?


okay i ordered a 5600


Been savings my pennies all year so I can build a best-of-the-best PC when the Zen4 3D cache chips come out. Hopefully it will last me 10 years like my current one has.


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So, uhh... where the heck do I go to look for info on Black Friday/Cyber Thursday deals? Is it just some reddit pages somewhere or have people made websites for this? I haven't done this in years


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>>98188 here, did anyone else build a PC aside from maybe >>98689?
Good lord, the two 1440p monitors I bought along with it are such an upgrade. Before them I was using a line of:
¥768x1024 CRT
¥old 1024x1280 LCD monitor in portrait mode
¥your typical 1080p LCD monitor
I'll have to find some other use for them. I dug up an old hard drive and put windows XP on it and hooked it up to the old computer but the hardware is too new and it doesn't recognize most of the peripherals on its motherboard. Sigh it's much easier with virtualbox isn't it.


>¥768x1024 CRT
you use crt in portrait mode? how?


Isn't it written vertical x horizontal? the LCD was in portrait mode.


well, for 1440p and 1080p monitors you didn't write them in full and assumed to be in landscape mode, and for the portrait mode monitor you used vertical x horizontal, so i inferred that using writing out vertical x horizontal implicitly means portrait mode in you post.


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this is how you use a CRT in portrait mode


You can try the subreddit r/buildapcsales, but if you're trying to build a PC I think it might be better to use PCPartPicker and then just sort through parts based on what you're looking for. Right now everything is just pre-Black Friday sales as far as I know. The only thing I can find that I'd be interested in is that the Intel 670p 2TB M.2 SSD is down to $130 on Newegg.

Typically it's written horizontal x vertical, like 1920 x 1080, or 1280 x 720 for example.


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I'm after some computer parts and a laptop for my mom so I guess something like that would work. Although, it's a bit messy and impossible to organize since it's user submitted stuff. Well, 'search' is there so I guess I could search "PSU" or something for power supplies as long as people correctly label them.
I'll try searching if anything is cataloging what sites will have deals for what when the day or even week arrives and this still doesn't seem very good, but maybe it IS the best there is.



warmly waiting for black friday sales to finish my new pc. although i'm also new at this whole norm shopping thing, doesn't the stock on everything that's desirably run out very quick on these sale days? it seems stressful to have to be up and paying attention at a certain time or else it's gone...


man, i bought a laptop like an idiot last month, hadn't thought at all about electro consumer day...


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Thanks. I'm glad to see a traditional forum still thriving. You reminded me that I used to anandtech's forums: https://forums.anandtech.com/categories/shopping.30/
Not nearly as active as it once was. The Black Friday subforum is dead, but the other one seems semi-active.


It's more like "Black November" nowadays, sales start at the beginning of the month. Supposedly the biggest sales are "Black Friday" for brick and mortar and "Cyber Monday" for online.

There are limited supplies of featured items usually. Niche items like computer parts are unlikely to be featured, tends to be more like TVs, laptops, external drives, etc.


>It's more like "Black November" nowadays, sales start at the beginning of the month
Yeah, apparently I missed a good Amazon sale on some uhh.. 30## something Nvidia card on Amazon's Black Friday Preview Day or whatever it was called. I guess this is a bad time to be a procrastinator.
Time to dive in... tomorrow


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I think this about sum up GPUs the past few years. The amazing Black Friday deal is that it's actually selling at the retail price.


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For those in the US, remember that Best Buy has a yearly sale this time of year for an external hard drive that people (including myself) generally take apart and treat as a regular internal drive. I don't keep track of these things, but I think $200 for 14TB is pretty good and this has been an annual thing for years and people have yet to report any significant problems.


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There's actually a website for this, https://shucks.top and yeah $200 for 14TB seems like a steal.


aw shucks


Apparently there's a decent amount of 4080s for sale because anyone with the money to buy a 4080 just bought the 4090 instead.
You're either loaded and can buy a 40xx card or you can't.


Yeah, I've heard about their poorer sales, but at the same time it looks like no where online actually has any 40 series cards in stock, and when they do they're scalping prices on top of the already ridiculous MSRPs... I can't help but think that Nvidia is enforcing artificial scarcity the same way Nintendo did for the Switch given the anecdotes about how horribly the 4080 is selling at physical retailers.


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Just suffered a partial hard drive failure which is great, but I backed it up a week ago because the drive seemed like its problems were getting worse.
Anyway, saw this and it seems like a great deal so I just bought it:
My drive that died was a regular SSD with 400GB that I paid like $90 for so uhh... this is pretty nice.
Make sure you have a compatible NVMe slot if you buy it, and no GPU blocking it or anything.


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Actually i was able to cancel this one before it shipped and I got
instead. Seems like it's a lot faster and only $20 more. Apparently this is a really highly regarded brand so it should last me a long time


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Since it's Black Friday, in case anyone is thinking about getting any GPUs I figured I should point some lesser thought about stuff.

When it comes to rasterized performance, Nvidia and AMD are mostly on par with one another. So, for purely gaming workloads, it makes sense to consider whichever is cheaper, but if you care about specific creative workloads like rendering, video capture, and especially anything CUDA-based, Nvidia is generally the better of the two. In a lot of situations, if there isn't any AMD or generic GPU support, you'll be relegated to relying on the CPU, which is often miles slower. Some more pertinent examples currently could include stuff like Stable Diffusion, which is CUDA-based, although it does have AMD and CPU support. There's also things like Meriken's Tripcode generator which is also CUDA-based.

For most people, that extra software support won't make a difference, but if you plan on doing any creative workloads it might sway your decision to go with Nvidia over AMD.

Ray-tracing doesn't matter :P


Yeah, apparently the 4090 is massively amazing and potentially maybe possibly worth it if you're into CG and making hugely complex scenes. Gaming? Meh


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/qa/! /qa/! I bought parts!

My keyboard's ] key finally died and my i key was heading that way, so I bought a new keyboard. I switched from brown switch to blue and boy these are pretty loud. I really love how it feels, but I'm feeling unsure about the sound. It's also a slightly different spacing so my typing is going to be full of errors. Actually from now on in this post I wont' wcorrect my typos. It's a Corsair K95 RGB Platinum XT Mechanical Gaming Keyboard!

My power supply was eight years old and making too much noise, so I think it was on the way out. It's called "coil whine" or something. Anyway, I got a newpower supply! Corsair RMx Series (2021), RM850x!

I replaced my old crappy default CPU cooler because I always hated it, but procrastinated getting an upgrade until now. It's a ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO!

Finally, I was holding off on there being a "deal" (deal in quotations because no nvidia card can be called a deal) and bought a 3080 12GB for $750 which I'm feeling cnostant guilt over. AARARRGGGHGHHAUJSDHAUSJKHDKAS! It was so much money! But it's "normal" price if you were able to find it new like I did during the holiday sale was about $900, so I feel kind of happy aobut that.

HOWEVER! Apparently my secondary monitor, my faithful Korean monitor back when those were a huge fad for nerds to buy is considered obsolete and GPUs don't have D-DVI ports any more??! I looked it up and even with an adapter it makes it laggy and most adapters are made for 1080p when my monitor is 1440p. This sucks! So now, unfortunately, I have to spend money again and get some new monitor to use because having one monitor is TERRIBLE! I hate this. It's a good monitor and has given me no problems at all. I have to abandon it because GPUs can't spare on eof their 4 ports for D-DVI?! This is infuriating.
Sigh, so here I am looking around to see if ther's any lingering "cyber Monday" deals on Tuesday.


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Personally I stay with red because it's easy to press and reduces fatigue.

>bought a 3080 12GB for $750
Which did you upgrade from? For AI stuffs VRAM is more important than raw speed and my 2060 super already has 8GB so anything less than 16GB isn't much of an upgrade for me. I would wait until mid range cards with low power consumption start to gain more VRAM.

>I looked it up and even with an adapter it makes it laggy and most adapters are made for 1080p when my monitor is 1440p.
Is that true? Your GPU should have DisplayPort which I think is pin-compatible with DVI-D so passive converters work and don't degrade signal. HDMI is the one that has problem.


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I had a 2060 with 6gb and that 6gb bothered me even before the AI stuff because the card I had before it was some special EVGA one that had 8gb, so my VRAM actually went down when I upgraded to the 2060. I couldn't use the Monster Hunter World high resolution texture pack and that bothered me quite a bit. Well, I took a personal look at the textures and a lot of the textures were a mess and it wasn't worth the 8gb anyway, but that was besides the point. I was bottlenecked by VRAM back in 2020 or 2019 or whenever Monster Hunter World was.
>Your GPU should have DisplayPort
Ah yeah, I got these confused. I was looking at DVI to DisplayPort. The basic ones for 1080p are $10, but the ones that support 1440p are $50 or more https://www.amazon.com/3D-CAC-1010-DisplayPort-Dual-Link-Adapter/dp/B07T16LLB8
I need the "active" adapter type that uses a secondary USB port to draw power and even then apparently it's laggy and they're known to degrade over time while having other issues :


i have fun gaming on outdated hardware


>even with an adapter it makes it laggy
If I'm remembering right, DVI-D should allow for passive conversion to HDMI.


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My computer's been really killing me lately by just bluescreening all the time. I've tried every solution to try and fix it, but nothing seems to work so I've decided that I may as well just upgrade it. The only issue I have with this though is that it's such a pain to get everything set up again once I reinstall windows. Is there any way to make this process easier, or am I just screwed?


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restore from backup?



Not sure how necessarily related to the thread this is, but I was wondering about getting a drawing tablet for my PC. What experience, if any, does /qa/ have with them and which would you recommend?


Got a wacom 10 years ago because wacom is the generic drawing tablet brand you always hear of. It's a cheap bamboo pen & touch and it works well enough for the price. The drawing surface is annoyingly small so if you have the money then put it towards a larger size.
I like to put some printer paper around it and tape it at the back because it feels nicer to draw on that.


The price was about a hundred australian dollars


What's the best PC setup that one could make with a budget of ~20k and trying not to spend stupid amounts on stuff that's way too overpriced?


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I think you always need to re-install windows and undergo the fun of setting everything up. I hate it so much.

Depends on budget, your "style" and what you'll use it for. The biggest price difference is screen or no-screen. As for the "style", it's like with mice. Similarly, some people can hover in one spot while drawing while others really drag it across the place. The latter group when it comes to drawing needs a larger tablet, but a larger tablet also requires more arm movement which can cause soreness if you spend a lot of time doing it at once. Some people can do it without a screen, but others rely on it.
I bought a Huion Kamvas 16(2.5k) for $600 which was a whole lot and I still feel guilt over it, but I really wanted a big screen so I could see the environment for 3D stuff. I've been having trouble with mine recently and I think I have to RMA it, but I'm waiting for a response. Before it randomly decided to stop receiving a signal it was really nice, but I also have nothing to compare it to.

20k is absurd and way into the territory of "overpriced". I only do research into parts before I buy them, but uhh... Stuff you'd want:
nVME SSD: like the one I bought here: >>100158. Not as dramatic as the lead to SSD from HDD, but still a gain. Great for clearing up space in the case.
GPU: If you've got 20k laying around then I guess a 4090? There's really nothing to use it for if you're not doing complex scene renders in 3D programs, though, or one of them people doing major AI training. I don't personally think rendering an AI image in 3 seconds instead of 6 is a major gain if you'd use it for regular prompting stuff once in a while. Also those 4000 cards are gigantic and you need to build around them, so I'd keep that in mind. I doubt one would physically fit in my current setup since no one seemed to imagine console-sized cards even a few years ago.
Monitor: Well, it's useless to have a good computer without a good monitor. I used the last of my savings for the alienware thing that just came out: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-34-curved-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-aw3423dwf/apd/210-BFRP/monitors-monitor-accessories#techspecs_section
If there's an emergency I'm totally screwed, but I needed to get a new screen because apparently DVI isn't supported any more. This is the centerpiece of a computer so it's probably the best thing to focus on. It's got fancy QLED screen that's good for refresh rate and colors and a wide screen that makes editing a lot less annoying. Though I still need more screen space...
But, it does have some annoying "screen-saving" technology that compels you let it "refresh" for 8 minutes every 4 hours. I turned that off and instead just make sure not to leave static stuff on the screen for too long while I'm there blocking standby mode. People still worry about that with this OLED stuff, even the QLED-OLEDs that are supposed to be strongly resistant to it, but no one knows for sure because not enough time has passed.
Motherboard/RAM: Haven't upgraded these in a few years so I don't know anything.
PSU: Definitely something to spend extra on since a power supply will take out other components if it malfunctions. I think 850 watts is standard futureproof 'gamer' fare, possibly higher if nvidia never reins it in.
Case I had one case I used for 12 years and my current one is on year 6. I never see a reason to 'upgrade' these unless your current one is really bad at thermals or vibrates.


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Thanks for the helpful post! My "20k" budget was more just a way of saying that money isn't an issue. Really looking to upgrade the motherboard too though, so I guess I'll need to do some research into that (and make sure whatever I get doesn't force Win11).


Oh, and fans. I stick with the basics and use Noctua like https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KFCRF1A
Expensive for fans, but they last for a decade or more. We're not getting any new technology to push air around.


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On the topic of cooling, what's the deal with liquid cooling? Is it just a m***, or is it an actual viable method for someone to cool their PC with? Never figured this out.


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It's not as great as it used to be. It's still easily the best cooling you'll get, but the gains aren't as big as they used to be since manufacturers have taken a strong anti-overclocking stance at the hardware level. Gone are the days when you can buy a $300 card and overclock it to perform like a $700 one. (when $700 was the high end price...)
Meanwhile the prices of the waterblocks are just as absurd as they used to be, if not more so. I'd like to go back to it someday, but it's definitely purely hobbyist territory instead of one that's potentially economical down the line.
Well, or if you want a REALLY quiet setup. But, again, fans are so good these days that the ones I linked are practically silent at their "idle" rate of 1400 RPM. Really, it's a thing to do if you have fun tinkering with stuff and can deal with frustrations of blockages and leaks. Some people really enjoy it (I did), but it's just not reasonable thing to do these days.
Also, those "all-in-one" closed loops are lame. A pump and radiator specifically for a part? That's stupid.


Liquid cooled GPUs have much smaller form factor compared to air cooled ones so you can fit top end GPUs into small form factor mini ITX builds.


Cirno more like buttno




I was going to build a PC sometime next year, but I have to buy a car instead now. So I just bought some DDR3 RAM off Amazon to put in my current one to hopefully tide me over for the next few years.

Oh well, I guess it gives me an excuse to wait for Zen 5 with the new architecture and for RDNA4 to mature with the new multi-chip design.


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Pretty crazy when looking at GPUs how the 40 series has pretty much double the VRAM of the 30 series, and it was announced before this AI generating craze became a thing. Maybe now's a bit early to speculate, but I have a feeling that the next round of GPUs are going to be heavily AI focused instead of gaming, since I don't think there's really too much they can develop for in regards to those.


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The 3090 is 24GB VRAM and I think that's enough for the vast majority of people for current AI stuff. I have 12gb after wastefully splurging on a 3080 when I saw a deal pop up, and 24gb would allow me to generate more images at once, which would greatly increase the speed of acquiring good images since "press generate and hope for the best" is how things are done. But, if you can afford a 3090 today you can afford the 40xx version, which is also the same reasoning behind the 4070 being atrocious and the 4080 also being bad because the prices are so high that you might as well buy the absolute best since you have money to burn if you can entertain the idea of paying it.
Locally hosted text gen stuff uses a LOT, and you actually need like 100gb of it for the good stuff (which is still inferior to the stuff in data centers or whatever). I think the amount of people that would use 24GB or more is very limited, not that it would stop people from buying them because it's the best and they have to be the best


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I know to back up my local/appdata and documents/pictures and such, but is there anything else I should take into consideration for backups before upgrading?


Also is there anything wrong with keeping your old boot ssd in the pc?


I like her burger clip


Personally, I just backup the whole drive when I can. If not, then I just backup the Users folder, Program Files, Program Files (x86), Program Data, and any folders in the root of my boot drive that aren't OS-related. Mostly, I try to do this because if you're doing a fresh install it's hard to know where program settings and save data is stored; sometimes its within the install location in Program Files, other times its in some random folder in AppData, other times it's in Documents or the User folder.


Your PC might boot from it but thats easily fixed in bios


it likely boots based on which number of input you put it in. Input #1 taking priority over input #2, but the actual boot order is decided based on the motherboard BIOS settings


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Watched a video recently from Hardware Unboxed showing that the AMD Zen 4 CPUs are much more sensitive to RAM timings than Intel Raptor Lake so I decided to make one of those RAM latency charts for DDR5 RAM. Might be useful for anyone who's not sure how to compare RAM kits.

On that note, still waiting to see how good the Zen 4 X3D CPUs are. Overall platform cost seems kinda sucky though. It seems significantly more expensive to get an AM5 motherboard that has feature parity with relevant Z690 or Z790 motherboards, especially when also factoring in better RAM if you want to maximize performance. Granted, the ability to upgrade from, for example, a 7800X3D to an 8800X3D or 9800X3D would be pretty nice depending on how long AMD supports AM5.

Incredibly unsure what to build... I'm interested in the Zen 5 X3D CPUs because the 5800X3D performs really well in VRChat due to its massive 96MB of cache, with less benefit from faster single threaded or multithreaded performance. Speaking general in terms of real-world performance, the difference between say the i5-13600K and i9-13900K is like 10% at most despite vastly greater performance in synthetic benchmarks due to the higher core count. So... On the one hand, the i5-13600K should be a real winner since it can be found for ~$250 at Micro Center at no real world performance loss compared to an i7-13700K or i9-13900K. But, if the X3D CPUs prove great, that would mean shelling out $600 for a 7900X3D or waiting a few months for the 7800X3D at $450.

Then with the whole memory sensitivity thing, who even knows whether it would make sense to go for faster RAM if AMD themselves say 6000 MT/s is the sweet spot. Like, if I want 64GB -- which I do -- because I do a lot of creative workloads like video editing and image editing, and Blender, would it make more sense to go for 2x 32GB or 4x 16GB? I have no idea. Generally, from what I understand, using 4 DIMMs can be slower than 2 DIMMs because of the added latency of accessing multiple DIMMs. With Zen 3, however, some benchmarks alleged that using 4 DIMMs was faster than 2 DIMMs. One single sided DIMM of DDR5, however, is dual rank whereas a single sided DIMM of DDR4 is single rank, so would 4 DIMMs of quad rank (?) DDR5 perform better or worse than 2 DIMMs of dual rank DDR5? No clue, and I don't think anyone online has tested to know either.

Likewise, GPUs really suck right now. The Nvidia 40-series GPUs all have stupid memory bandwidth concessions, and memory bandwidth is the exact thing that VR needs! So, for instance, although an RTX 4070 Ti is more efficient than an RTX 3090 and performs roughly the same or better in most applicants, the RTX 4070 Ti would be trashed by the 3090 in VR because of its lower memory bandwidth (not to mention lower VRAM; 12GB compared to 24GB). AMD is a complete non-starter when it comes to VR. The 4090 is cool and all, but it's price is ridiculous and its not future proofed at all by virtue of being limited to the idiotic use of DisplayPort 1.4 instead of DisplayPort 2.0.

At this point I feel like I could wait forever, waiting for something better than whatever disappointingly flawed product comes out. On the other hand, I could build something now and actually have something. So which do I value, time or money? Will waiting even make any sense if Nvidia decides in a few years from now, "Hey everyone buy the new 5080 starting at $2199!"? Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh


>Incredibly unsure what to build...
Maybe take a different tack and instead of building something with the best specs, build something cute.


Building something cute won't get me FPS that doesn't make me want to throw up when I play VRChat.


Is VRChat CPU limited?


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This is a very hard question to answer, particularly because VRChat is entirely based around user generated content. That basically means that the game is about as well optimized as running your computer with half a gigabyte of RAM and pagefiles on a hard drive.

Tupper, the community manager for VRChat, has a write up about building The Current Best PC For VRChat, where he talks about some of the more demanding aspects of VRChat.

Generally, the limits in terms of performance in order of importance seem to be: VRAM > GPU performance > CPU cache > CPU performance. So, the calculus is something like this: AMD GPUs have more VRAM than Nvidia, but they have crap drivers for VR so are disqualified from consideration. The newer Nvidia GPUs below the 4090 have less VRAM than the 3090 and may get VRAM limited in some rare circumstances, but should otherwise perform better (with the questionable exemption of the 4070 Ti? Babel TechReviews claimed they would review the 4070 Ti for VR in January but still haven't released their review so who knows) than their 30-series counterparts. That said, VRAM is still a big concern with how unoptimized everything is, so is it worth sacrificing overall performance in other titles by going with a last generation card with more VRAM? This is unclear. CPU cache appears to have an outsized impact in Unity games, which VRChat is, so the AMD X3D CPUs seem to benefit massively, much moreso than the uplift you would expect from the increase in single threaded or multithreaded performance. CPU performance itself also matters, but how much or why is very hard to say; most reviewers just don't care about VR, and they certainly don't care to benchmark VRChat so any real insights into performance are basically akin to, "Hey, I read online that..."


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PC upgrading!


Cool! What case is that? 6 trays worth of hard drives doesn't seem very common.


one does not "dispose" of data


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I have my old ones in a drawer, personally. Every time they turn on and spin it's damaging, so I figure the old and slow ones should be static unless I need them someday. Well, that and they're like 10-200GB


It's the Corsair 7000D. I was thinking about getting the one apparently 'everybody' uses, but it was only a mid tower and too small for my liking. I gotta say, working in a nice huge full-tower is a whole lot easier than a smaller case.


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Small upgrade. A tech channel I watch on YouTube pointed out recently that Newegg has been having a "fire sale" of Intel Optane stuff so I got decided to get a 118GB P1600X. Fairly affordable at only $75. Heard that the Intel Optane software is kinda bad so I'm using PrimoCache instead. Very impressed with how much it accelerates reads, at least with benchmarks. I'll have to see how much of a difference it makes with day-to-day usage. If it turns out to be really significant I might think about getting one of the fancier P4800X 960GB Optane drives and partition a section off to be used for drive-level caching (like changing the Windows Temp folder location, or changing the VRChat cache folder) and the rest for Optane/Primocache stuff. I wish I had deep enough pockets for the P5800X, but those are over $1000 @_@


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Very much ready to not build another PC for at least another half-decade..... After getting everything assembled I ran into issues just getting windows installed and had to mix and match parts to figure out just what was fucking up and causing bluescreens left and right. Eventually narrowed it down to the RAM which I returned, going to get new RAM now and hopefully the new sticks aren't broken....


I feel like the RAM sticks are always the most dodgy part of building a new computer. I had issues, you had issues, my brother had issues.


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Maybe too late (and you probably knew anyway), but if you only had 2 sticks you connected them in the designated dual channel setup, right?


I did screw that up at first, and then when I fixed it it still wasn't working. Also my ideal setup had 4x16 so each slot was filled when it was crashing.


Noticed one great quality of life thing from doing this. Pretty often I'll be looking in a folder and want to change the sorting, like by size, date, type, and so on. Normally, after changing the sort type it could take upwards of a minute or two to wait for the folder to get sorted, but now it's instant! Very happy about this.


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Heh, I know someone who'd be really jealous of this steady 60 on Ultra-Nightmare settings.

Also feels nice to finally feel like I have a PC that can handle anything.


Reviews for the 7950X3D are finally out!! Honestly... I'm not entirely sure about it :/

The performance isn't really spectacular and seems to be hampered by the fact that only one CCD has the 3D V-Cache so only half of the CPU is really being leveraged in games. For a $700 part that doesn't really perform much better than an i7-13700K, it's honestly pretty terrible value. Potentially the 7800X3D will prove to be better since it's a single CCD design, meaning that there's no core-to-core latency when accessing the 3D V-Cache. It'd probably be the best value CPU of this generation, priced at $450, but... AM5 motherboards still suck in terms of pricing and the requirement for DDR5 is also kinda lame.

Sigh... If only I wanted to build a PC a year from now when AM5 and DDR5 are cheaper... As is, Intel is better value, even on a dead platform, since the parted out price different between an AM5 and LGA1700 build is like a difference of $500 in Intel's favor (For the parts I would want, of course). I had a feeling it would be something like this, but it's still disappointing. Guess I'll probably be building an Intel build unless AM5 motherboards collapse in prices or if more reviews come out and show that the 3D V-Cache has an insane performance uplift for some games I care about.


Are you ever going to build that PC?


Not at this rate ;_;


Based on the benchmarks I've seen, if the games are correctly sent to the CCD with the extra cache then it blows everything else out of the water. Ideally it's the best of both worlds with a 7800x3D for games that use the cache and a 7800x for games and other programs that don't use it, all in one package. Of course, it all depends on how well the scheduler can manage the processes and send things to the correct chiplet. I'm not so sure about the Windows Xbox game bar solution, but apparently on Linux you can manually set which cores programs are run on. I think that would make this the best CPU you could buy.


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>Of course, it all depends on how well the scheduler can manage the processes and send things to the correct chiplet.
This is something that's being sticking in the back of my mind; for as expensive and performant as the 7950X3D is, I would want it to last around 3-5 years, maybe. But, with how frankly radically CPUs have been changing over the past few years, and how few CPUs even have this issue of trying to direct processes to cores that have more frequency or more cache... It really makes me wonder what the long-term driver support will be like compared to a 7800X3D which will be a comparatively more straight forward monolithic design.

For example, it's sometimes possible when looking at benchmarks to find that a GPU performs worse than it did at launch after a few years because of driver optimizations made to benefit newer hardware. And what with the functionality of your CPU being tied to an arbitrary piece of software - Xbox game bar -- everything feels so tenuous, like in a few years programs might not care about core scheduling that benefits the 7950X3D because of some newer type of design.

In my view, this is not something that Intel's CPUs will likely have to contend with due to the big.LITTLE -- performance cores and efficiency cores -- core architecture being a much more enduring processor design philosophy; It makes far more sense to schedule background tasks on slower cores that draw less power than it does to have faster cores that require much more power. For example, if you were playing a game and had a browser in the background, which would be preferable: dedicating faster cores to that browser, which then affects the total CPU package draw, affecting performance, or to use slower cores that don't have much impact? To me, this seems a fairly open and shut case, and yet I regularly see people saying that efficiency cores are a gimmick and should just be turned off because they generate heat which is astounding to me!


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The scheduling that takes advantage of P/E cores only exists on Windows 11 which a lot prefer to avoid.
Neither Windows 10 (will never be) nor Linux (for now) are aware of this which makes CPU-hungry games to be frequently scheduled to E cores and results in stuttering.


>The scheduling that takes advantage of P/E cores only exists on Windows 11 which a lot prefer to avoid.
That's not really tenable though. I believe it will become increasingly more and more common for heterogeneous CPU architectures to show up in desktop processors and the fact that AMD already relies on a chiplet design, that AMD would consider releasing a CPU with differing levels of cache on each CCD, that Intel has embraced the big.LITTLE CPU architecure, and that Intel plans to move to chiplet-based CPUs in the future is more than enough proof of all of that already.

Maybe if you plan on sticking it out on Pre-12th gen Intel or an AM4 AMD CPU you can stay on Windows 10 for a few more years, but eventually by force of CPU design trends, I believe you will have to move to Windows 11 in order to take advantage of its enhanced thread scheduler.

It would not surprise me at all if in a few years time AMD releases CPUs that have efficiency cores on one CCD and performance cores on another CCD.

That's all water under the bridge in terms of whether or not CPUs like the 7950X3D and 7900X3D will or won't be affected negatively by any potential future changes to how Windows 11 handles thread scheduling, however.


>handles thread scheduling
and core parking


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My PC building saga is soon to come to a close! I gave it a long think and decided I'm okay with sticking with Intel since the Ryzen 7000 CPUs aren't that great of an improvement as I was hoping, and rumor has it Intel is going to release a Raptor lake refresh sometime towards the end of the year (presumably because they won't be able to meet the deadline of releasing desktop Meteor Lake CPU this year), so in theory I could have a CPU to upgrade to at a later date if I start getting CPU bound in the future and don't want to upgrade my motherboard.

And, well, uh... against my better judgement I bought a 4090. I should have most of the remaining parts coming in tomorrow and then the building will (finally) commence!


Oh, I almost forgot: one major thing that made me choose Intel over AMD is that for whatever reason using more than 2 sticks of RAM causes the maximum supported DDR5 timing to drop to like 3200 MT/s, which is down from like 5600 MT/s as the base spec for 1-2 sticks of DDR5 on AM5. From what I can tell, Intel doesn't have this issue and I may choose to upgrade my RAM capacity to 128GB for AI stuff.


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Is there any AI stuff that uses regular RAM? I've only seen VRAM mentioned. I'm not sure anyone will be "future proofing" anything AI related with how fast things have been changing


Just that Facebook Llama thing, I think. I recall reading a Github post saying that it was using 80GB of RAM. I'm not sure about other stuff, but I'm definitely interested in testing that one out.


RAM is in a weird place right now. Corsair recently announced 24GB and 48GB DDR5 sticks, but their speeds are pretty slow and with not great timings (5200 ~ 5600 MT/s CL40). 96GB would be nice. Will probably be a few months before other manufacturers or Corsair themselves release better kits. DDR5 in general has dropped in price a bit lately as faster kits come out.

Likewise, SSD prices have really come down recently.


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Graph showing the clear descent in SSD pricing.


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Was looking at case fans and saw this thing. Hilarious. 70 freaking decibels!!


Been learning about NAS's, hypervisors, and server stuff recently since I've been in desperate need of a NAS for the longest time (most of my data is strewn across 6 USB external drives with no backups). Mostly I've been doing this just for my own entertainment since this stuff is expensive! I was initially at fairly pedestrian hardware but upon further investigation it seems that using ZFS with TrueNAS really requires ECC RAM as a best practice.

Some interesting things I've learned are that old enterprise stuff can be very cheap and sometimes still quite expensive. For instance, you can get good Mellanox SFP 10GbE and 40GbE PCIe NICs for anywhere from $30 to $100. Pretty reasonable. Meanwhile, HBAs -- "Host Bus Adapters" -- meant for expanding the amount of connected storage devices are really variable in price depending on how new or old they are. Something like an LSI 9211-8i -- which allows adding 8 additional SAS 6Gb/s or SATA 6Gb/s drives -- can go for around $30. More newer HBAs like an LSI 9400-16i, which would support 16 SAS 12Gb/s or 16 SATA 6Gb/s or 4 NVME PCIe 3.0 x4 SSDs, goes for around $300 at a minimum. Another interesting thing I've noticed is that despite a lot of this hardware being pretty extreme relative to normal desktop requirements, a lot of these cards are often only PCIe 2.0 or PCIe 3.0, which I found surprising; this, however, can be a bit of an annoyance if you want to use them with newer hardware, since PCIe is lane-based. Meaning, although your HBA might only be PCIe 2.0 x8, if you slot it into a PCIe 4.0 x16 slot running at x4, you're only going to be able to run that HBA at PCIe 2.0 x4 speeds despite PCIe 4.0 x4 being equivalent to PCie 2.0 x16 in terms of bandwidth. Also... Apparently, there's an issue with cards out of China being counterfeited and/or broken. Not surprising, but unfortunate seeing as parts out of there are often much cheaper.

Storage is really a big concern, and that's meant looking into how ZFS works, what certain vdev's are used for, best practices in regards to number of drives used, how pools can be expanded, and so on. For my window-shoping hypothetical build, I decided that it would be best to use RAIDz3 with 11 drives. I found that someone is selling old HGST 8TB drives in lots of 5 drives, of which I would buy 20, test them, and then use 11 drives for the RAIDz3 for a total capacity of 64TB of storage with 4 drives held as hot spares to be put into action to immediately begin rebuilding the RAID array in case a drive fails. With RAIDz3 up to 3 drives can fail simultaneously without any data loss, but if more than 3 drives die at the same time, the whole pool become irrecoverable. This is the main reason I thought about RAIDz3; RAIDz2 and RAIDz1, 2 drive and 1 drive failure tolerance respectively, seemed far too risky for the amount of data my hypothetical NAS would have. In regards to performance, RAIDz3 with 11 drives would have a read speed improvement of 8x (8 drives are used in parity and the extra 3 are just used for redundancy). Since those HGST drives have a read speed of around 200MB/s that would mean a read speed of around 1.6GB/s, which would be faster than 10GbE NIC I paired it with since 10GbE tops out at around 1.2GB/s. Downside is that there's no write speed improvement, meaning unimpressive 200MB/s writes. For a NAS, however, that's perfectly acceptable.


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In terms of software and managing everything, the best candidate would be to use a type 1 hypervisor such as VMWare ESXi or Proxmox and to then virtualize whatever's necessary. So, for example, for managing all of that storage, I would pass through the HBA card with the 15 HGST drives to a TrueNAS Core virtual machine and then let it manage ZFS. For other things, it's just a matter of spinning up more virtual machines. So, for instance, you could start a VM for a Plex media server, minecraft server, a DDNS service, a Windows VM (with GPU passthrough), Bittorent, and so on. Even modest hardware is capable of running a bunch of linux VMs so it's really not that much of an issue, although more cores helps. You might be wondering, though, "Couldn't you do a lot of that stuff as docker containers?" and the answer is: sure, you definitely could. From what I understand, however, the main benefit from running things as virtual machines is that you're able to do more complex networking, and you don't have to worry about utilization as much.

In my research I also decided to look at enterprise hardware to see what sort of cost-benefit there is to running prosumer hardware versus dedicated rackmount enterprise gear. And, the conclusions were interesting: AMD EPYC beats the shit out of lower end Intel Xeons. For a "low end" server that's around ~$3000, you could either get an AMD EPYC server (ignoring RAM and storage cost) that has 16 cores, 32 threads and performs about as well as an Intel i5-13600K, or you could get a Xeon server that performs about as well as your grandparents laptop. Seriously, talking about a Passmark CPU score of around ~2000 for the low-end Xeon versus around ~40,000 for the EPYC CPU. I had heard that AMD was becoming more competitive in server, but I didn't realize it was like this... Anyways, tangent aside, the system I parted out was around ~$1200 cheaper and should perform approximately the same. Enterprise price configurators really fleece buyers parts like a 480GB SAS SSD cost ~$700 each, and 1TB SATA HDDs cost around ~$500. That's the main reason for excluding those, otherwise the price differential would have been insane, and anyone worth their salt would know to buy their own drives and RAM rather than spending an arm and leg on what's essentially entry-level hardware. The main advantage those servers have is how many PCIe lanes they have. That EPYC system from before had 128 lanes of PCIe, whereas desktop CPUs are only 40 lanes of PCIe at best. At least, the more recent Intel chipsets are, that is. I'm not familiar with AMD motherboards.

I'd really like to build this system at some point, but for now it's just a nice fantasy to dream about. Oh well. It's been fun thinking about, at least, and I'm a bit more educated for it. The most fun part is probably cost-optimizing. If only there was a site like pcpartpicker that was dedicated more towards old enterprise gear to figure out what the very price to performance system is.


Oh, I forgot to mention: the main thing that spurred all this investigation for me was that I was pretty unimpressed with how expensive and retrictive Synology NAS's are.


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SO, uhh... what's a NAS?
And what exactly are you doing with all this storage? Storing media? It reminds me that I need to download a whole bunch of ROM sets for a lot of games systems. I wanted to do it a decade ago but the storage just wasn't there.


>SO, uhh... what's a NAS?
A NAS is Network Attached Storage. Basically, instead of having a hard drive in your PC, you put it into a server and then can access all of that storage through your home network. Instead of mounting like 10 different disks for storage you would set up a RAID pool that combines all of your drives in a single drive for both redundancy and speed improvements.

>And what exactly are you doing with all this storage? Storing media?
Well... It's mostly just an exercise in window shopping and what sort of options there are out there. If I had that sort of money to actually build such a system it would pretty much offload all of my media, torrenting, and other things. I've currently got around 26TB worth of external drives, but they're mostly filled up and I worry about using them too often if they were to die. It would also just be nice to host AI stuff on it so I don't have to worry about my main PC being taxed by it. It might also be handy to set up automatic backups of my PC so that if I broke anything or if one of my drives died, I had a backup.


>Oh, I forgot to mention: the main thing that spurred all this investigation for me was that I was pretty unimpressed with how expensive and retrictive Synology NAS's are.
They're quite shit. Got one and regretted that I didn't get a normal computer with lots of hard drive bays.


>Basically, instead of having a hard drive in your PC, you put it into a server and then can access all of that storage through your home network
Oh, would that really be useful? I'm not sure what I'd do that in that situation that would be worth the decrease in speed. Are you low on space inside the computer or on your desk?


There really shouldn't be a speed decrease. The read speed of RAID is a multiple of the read speed of however many disk you have. So, with RAIDz3 and 11 disks (3 used for parity, 8 for capacity), there's an 8x increase in reads. So, for a standard HDD reading at 200MB/s, you would have read speeds of 1.6GB/s, which itself is faster than 10Gb ethernet.

>Are you low on space inside the computer or on your desk?
That's not really the point... My PC has two hard drive bays, sure, and I could put some high capacity drives in there, but there wouldn't be any redundancy; if my drives died, that'd be it. Everything gone. It would also just be nice to be able to access my media from multiple devices instead of just from my PC. So, for example, if I had a Plex server on the NAS, I could stream my anime collection to my phone.


Hmm, I thought raid was one or the other- speed or redundancy. You can combine them? Is there not some weird multiplicative effect where you're running out the drives faster than usual?


Surprising that Asus got caught up in killing X3D CPUs. I figured they were one of the better brands...


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got a new dual tower cpu cooler to replace the stock cooler, and added 2 rear case fans
chose the Thermalright SilverSoul 135 because my case has 140mm height clearance, and pretty much it's the only dual tower cooler in this category with a 120mm fan
installed it and the rear fans so that the cooler fan blows through the fins directly to the case fan
now the pc is 10-15c cooler than before, runs faster, while also being much quieter!
the cooler performs very well despite only cost $30

also got a 3090 in the meantime


Don't really know much about monitors, does this look good?

I'm not looking for anything too fancy, and I won't be using curved monitors or dual/triple monitor setups.


Looks alright. I've never heard of that brand and it not being height-adjustable is kind of eh, but the reviews look pretty good. If you care about gaming, I think VA panels are typically a bit slower than IPS and TN panels, but are a bit better at contrast? I can't quite remember.


165hz is a terrible refresh rate, which is not divisible by 24 or 30, so there will be stuttering effect when viewing videos.
144hz is more common so they should also be available for cheap, and is divisible by 24.
VA also has bad response time, and those with much less have overshoot artifacts. IPS is superior in all possible ways other than contrast.
The only reason to buy this is because the brand name looks like koruri.


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Any better suggestions? My budget is for around 100-130 USD. Also this is what I'm using now so it'd be an upgrade regardless



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Have you thought of looking at monitor buyer guides or anything? That's generally what I do, but I never rely on only one. At the least, it gives you an idea of what's out there. There's some websites specically for monitors, like this one I spent some time looking at: https://tftcentral.co.uk/


What sort of speakers do you guys use? I've been using the same Logitech 5.1 (I think that's what it's called) speakers for about 20 years now and they seem to still be working fine. It's got a total of 5 speakers + subwoofer, but I hate bass so the subwoofer serves no purpose other than the place where cables plug into.
I kind of wonder if I'm missing out on any new technology. There's wireless speaker stuff I think, but I'm not sure how good that it is. The main pain I have right now is that I have to move a couple speakers around where I'm doing stuff in bed, but I don't think there's any way around that.


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You hate bass?


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Yeah. It gives me headaches and I mean that literally. Even if it didn't, though, I don't really like the sound of it. It's not like it conveys any unique sounds per song. It's just a bunch of, uh, bass.


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Amazon's "Prime Day" thing is coming on the 11th and 12th, which apparently is a big sale thing? Is anyone going to buy anything?
I think I'd like to get some new speaker setup.
Aren't there wireless speakers now?
How do they work?
How long do the batteries last?
Can I make only a couple of the speakers (in back?) wireless and keep the front ones wired?


oh by pure coincidence I'm actually going to build a desktop now
I've just gotta make a facebook and get into used hardware groups, new stuff is grossly overpriced (200% of what it'd cost elsewhere)
>Amazon's "Prime Day" thing is coming
huh didn't know amazon had its own festivities
they never came here and nobody uses it



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Facebook groups? You mean you're trading parts or getting used stuff? Or do people own businesses and sell stuff at a discount to people there or something?


>Or do people own businesses and sell stuff at a discount to people there or something?
South Asian and SE Asian merchants do, but trading and resale is more common in terms of computer parts, they even have it locally and regionally. Facebook really killed craigslist and sites like that.


but they're not intentionally selling at a discounts, they are trying to get more valuable currency.


It's absolutely crazy how much flash memory has decreased in price since last year. You can get 1TB M.2 drives for under 50 bucks now. If you're looking to get some more storage, now is the time to do it.


I hope the higher capacity ones get cheaper they're still much more expensive than HDDs


I really wish there were adapters from M.2/U.2 to SATA or SAS.


If you just need bulk capacity, HDDs are probably going to be cheaper for a long time more. 8TB SSDs are insanely expensive. Like $400 for SATA, and $1000 for M.2. Meanwhile, for <$400 you can 18TB hard drives...


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Apparently a reliable leaker has said that there won't be any 4090 Ti or other upgraded 4xxx model, so the 4090 will remain the best until the 5xxx series arrives. Also, the 5xxx is supposed to be 32gb of VRAM which still isn't enough for the best local text AI stuff.
I wonder if I will do anything with this information. Nvidia knows it has the monopoly so the 5xxx will be even more expensive, so maybe I really should get some old commercial grade 24gb VRAM thing to stick inside my compute alongside my 3080...


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I am very seriously considering buying a 3090 or 4090 even though they're absurdly expensive due to the fact that there will be no nvidia GPU in 2024. I'm doing AI stuff every day and feeling my 12gb of VRAM. I'll have to put my garden stuff on pause and make other sacrifices, but man, maybe it's worth it. I'm using a 3080 so I can try to sell it and get some money back, I guess.
For text AI, the VRAM is the most important part as it allows you to load more advanced models into VRAM, or more of the model into VRAM with the rest into RAM, so a 3090 versus a 4090 isn't big.
But for image generation a 4090 is significantly faster in raw computational power.

Games? Eh, yeah, it'd be an upgrade there, but I rarely play the intense stuff since it's mostly AAA garbage. I need to get back into 3D modeling, too, especially if I can combine it with AI stuff.
4090 prices, though... that's how much an entire computer upgrade should cost.


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So, uh, is anyone buying anything cool for Black Friday/Cyber Monday? I doubt there will be any amazing deal that makes the 4090 feasible to me, but I wonder if maybe a 3090 would be worthwhile if it's on sale anywhere. That 24gb of VRAM seems very useful for AI stuff, particularly local text generators.
Although I don't think my computer case could fit the 4090 now that I think about it... I wonder if there's such a thing as a future-proof computer case when GPUs keep getting bigger.


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>I wonder if there's such a thing as a future-proof computer case when GPUs keep getting bigger.
I got myself a 2-slot 3090 for my SFF case where it fits perfectly.
It's a "standard sized" single blower fan model (similar to their Quadro offerings) which gets very loud under load, but that's the price to pay for smaller space usage, plus blower fans avoid heat pollution inside the case, which is important for small cases.
I doubt nvidia will ever make a blower 4090 anymore, since its standard, non-gamer form factor makes it a perfect replacement for expensive Quadro and Tesla cards.

> I wonder if there's such a thing as a future-proof computer case when GPUs keep getting bigger.
You can always get the 2-slot standard sized Quadros with even more VRAM and power than 4090 if you have the money. Consumer GPUs are getting bigger for product segmentation purposes.


>Although I don't think my computer case could fit the 4090 now that I think about it
If I remember right, the 4090 requires 450mm of space within the case. My Corsair 4000D fits it pretty snug with about a centimeter to spare between the end of the GPU and the front case fans. I think a lot of older mid towers could probably fit it so long as they have a removable hard drive cage tower. Newer mid towers might be tight. The bigger issue is that because the GPU is so darn long and the heatsink is so huge that GPU sag is a genuine concern so you ideally want something to support the end of the GPU. Doesn't really have to be anything fancy though. I've seen people use towers of Legos and stuff, but newer cases that have a sort of shelf on the bottom make it easier to put something there to hold it up.

>You can always get the 2-slot standard sized Quadros with even more VRAM and power than 4090 if you have the money
I'm pretty sure those are like >$10K... Not exactly what I would consider spending wisely for at-home usage... If space is a concern, I would personally just go with either an AIO watercooled variant, or get a waterblock for one of the cheaper models and set up a custom loop.


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Fan noise has never really bothered me much since I have fans in my room anyway and I love the constant noise. I did watercooling back in the day (about 16 years ago now) and it was almost eerie to have a near-silent computer. The main thing is that it needs to be constant- the revving up is something that really bothers me.
And, uhh, yeah I'm a NEET. It has certain benefits but also certain pitfalls, one of which is the top of the line graphics card stuff is out of my reach. Maybe I really should find a way to monetize my SD stuff... I still think- actually nevermind. I'm definitely not getting enterprise-level GPUs.


I have some nice be quiet! fans in my case. I like them a lot, and highly recommend them (although they're a little pricy). I can't hear them past my headphones, and even when I'm not wearing my headphones they're only just barely audible when close up, and are completely silent when compared to the background noise of my ceiling fan.


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>I'm pretty sure those are like >$10K...
From what I've seen on ebay, they're about 3-4x of the price of consumer cards of similar spec, so it's not as expensive as that.
I don't really recommend them unless you use Quadro-exclusive features or have high form factor requirements. They have single slot cards, and even half-height SFF cards which doesn't need power cables, yet still provide very good performance since they use high binned chips which produce less heat.


>From what I've seen on ebay, they're about 3-4x of the price of consumer cards of similar spec, so it's not as expensive as that.
Ah, you're right. I was thinking of the widely expensive AI GPUs Nvidia has like the L40. An A6000 Ada would be nice. 48GB of VRAM with slightly better or about the same performance as a 4090 IIRC.


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I looked at 4090 prices because I wanted to punish myself and it seems that they've gone up. An import ban for China recently went into effect so the theory is that supply was rerouted there to be sold at a hefty premium. The "hot deal" for the season is $1670 with the average 4090 price now being $2000: https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4090-hits-2000-e2000-average-price

Yeah, that's not going to work. I wonder how much the 5090 will be, $3000?


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Oh, but 'good' news is that the 3080 I bought this time last year is $200 more...


Buy low sell high


> I've seen people use towers of Legos and stuff, but newer cases that have a sort of shelf on the bottom make it easier to put something there to hold it up.
I string fishing line from the top of the case and tie it around the end of the GPU. Works a lot better than legos or whatever. Ensures there is support for the weight when moving the case around


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I have no idea if it's a good deal or not since I'd have to look at the specs and reviews I'm not actually interested in a new monitor, but this width is crazy. I think at this size it starts to be a detriment and multiple monitors would be better unless you're doing a flight simulator or something?


My almost ten year old GPU can still play every single game worth playing. It's nice to not care about "maximum" settings, which usually only leads to more visual clutter anyways.


Yeah, I don't care about games. Well, I mean, I do, but top of the line GPUs are really only used for big AAA stuff like FPS games which I haven't played in like 20 years. Unfortunately, you need nvidia's CUDA core thing and lots of VRAM for AI stuff, both when it comes to image/video and also text. (Well for text it's like 95% VRAM)
I've actually used my GPU more in the past year than probably the past 8 years combined.


I like curved monitors myself but that resolution is ridiculous. Definitely multiple monitors would be a much better setup. No idea why people fall for such idiotic consumerist memes.




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Contemplating whether to buy a new (used) hard drive and optane cache drive, or if I should buy more server hardware... Found both at really good deals... 12TB more for my personal desktop or a Dell 720XD with 14x 3.5" drive bays so that I can finally get my external hard drives out of their enclosures and networked. Hmmmmmm. This is a really hard choice.


its just like a normal 1440p monitor with a smaller monitor on each side so if you have a good virtual monitor solution it's decently reasonable over a normal multi monitor setup. Or you can have it be two 1440p side by side.


what kind of virtual monitor solutions do you guys have? ive been using my 1440p monitors raw


Used hard drives sound kind of iffy to me since they have limited lifespans, but I guess if you trust the person it's okay? I'd definitely look at it with one of those inspector programs if I was in that position.

Virtual monitor? I have no idea what that is


>Used hard drives sound kind of iffy to me since they have limited lifespans
It's an enterprise drive with double the on-time of my current drive (Less than a year), but significantly less power on cycles. From what I understand, more wear comes from power cycling and spinning down when idling a drive than from how long its been used for. I believe this is because the mechanical wear is considerably higher when the drive has to spin up because it has to overcome more friction at low speed than when the drive reaches its rated RPM. So... From my perspective at least, buying used enterprise hard drives with high hours but low power cycles would be far safer than buying consumer hard drives with low hours and high power cycles. Anyways, the seller showed the SMART data from Crystal Disk Info and HD Sentinel and both showed stats that were at or below the stats for my own hard drive (same model), so I'm fairly confident that the drive would be perfectly healthy.


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All of these used enterprise hard drives are designed to have an MTBF of >1 million hours. Most of the hard drives fail in the first year of operation due to manufacturing defect, and these used drives all have passed that point.

I bought 2 of the 4 TB HGST drives and they're still good after 3 years of mostly 24/7 usage. You can check the disk after buying it and if it has any bad sector etc you return it for refund.


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I have a new NVMe 2GB SSD stick thingie coming in! (Un)fortunately the one I'm upgrading from is what windows is installed on, so this is the most annoying type of upgrade.
One of the thing that sucks about NVMe is that my motherboard only has two slots for them, so it's unlike my HHDs which just amass over the years and can be plugged back in if I need them. I actually have multiple copies of all my old stuff across multiple drives I've upgraded from over the years!
Nothing can compare to the change to SSD from HDD back in the day, but NVMs do seem quite fast. I wonder if future motherboards (or modern ones I guess) have more than 2 slots for them or if there's a way to somehow keep using the one I'm otherwise discarding...


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You can buy one of these NVMe enclosures. I got one with USB3.2 10 Gbps speed. Not as fast as native but still faster than HDDs and SATA SSDs.


you can stick nvme into the PCIE slots right?


>NVMe enclosures
Oooh, nice. Wait, maybe I'll just do this with the new 2tb one since I hate reinstalling Windows and everything that goes along with that. I have empty USB 3.0 ports that aren't being used. Hmm...


Yes sir. I use one in my older workstation. Just be aware that depending on your BIOS you may not be able to use it as a boot drive.


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gpus have nvme slots nowadays


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Wait, really? Okay, I'm going to do this instead then. Wow, finally a use for the second+ PCI slot after SLI and soundcards disappeared.


yeah, but the NVMe slots from what I read are PCIE gen 5 and you probably have gen3 or 4. So you might get bottlenecked, but then again USB3.2 is what... 1000MB/s on the 7000 or the NVMe?


actually I misread. The NVMe slots are just basically whatever PCIE you have on your board typically


I couldn't find the other hardware thread so I'll ask in this one.

I'm looking for a cute thumb drive to use as my boot device for my new laptop. It doesn't need to be that big just large enough to hold kernels and misc. boot sector.

Do you guys know of a good place to buy kawaii novelty thumb drives? Preferably one that I can keep on my key chain? I looked around a little but I didn't find anything I liked. Is there some place that will make a one-off custom one that's willing to make licensed characters? Smaller the better. I want to keep it with me all of the time. So it needs to be durable to.


For some reason I quoted someone I didn't intend to.


Who are you qu-- er, nevermind...


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The NVMe came in and, yeah, I thought it was too good to be true. I need to buy an adapter to plug the NVMe into the PCIe thing. It looks like some of the adapters even support two NVMe at once, so that's cool.


Can't say I do. Maybe you could just get a regular one and apply stickers to it?


>It looks like some of the adapters even support two NVMe at once
This typically requires PCIe bifurcation, as most of these cards are simply passive adapters. PCIe bifurcation is only really supported on newer motherboards. If it has a PCIe switch on the card, you could use more than one M.2 drive without bifurcation, but these are going to be more expensive; you could tell these apart as these will have a lot more SMD components and likely a heatsink on the card, whereas the passive cards only require a few SMD components.


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Ah, good to know. I bought a single thingie because I don't really intend to have so many plugged in, but also because these things stick out and impede air flow and graphics cards are only getting larger.
I bought pic related because it's close to the size of the NVMe itself unlike other stuff I saw.
It's weird how cheap these things are, $8, and it came with a screwdriver.


Yeah, they can be so cheap because they're basically just a PCB with gold fingers and an M.2 slot and that's it. M.2 is PCIe so they can be passive adapters (with the exception that there's also SATA M.2 drives, but these are more rare). It would not surprise me if these cost less than a dollar each to produce.


I was looking for non-standard form factors. I found a couple shaped like a rabbit but I'm worried about ordering them because they're from China and I've gotten ripped off by them before. Last thumb drive I got like that claimed to be 16GB but ended up being 256MB.


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Well, this didn't work out. It's detected and yet not detected. BIOS is working and Windows partitioned it, but I'm having issues assigning it a letter and having Windows treat it as a drive. Maybe it's my mother's somewhat ramshackle PCI-E slot thingie being loose, but I don't think that's the case if it's recognized. Also it has an annoying flashing light on it.
I might just bite the bullet and make it the main NVME with WIndows on it which means I need to reinstall Windows and everything associated with it which SUCKS

Oh. Beats me then. Maybe someone with a 3D printer could do something? It's not something I'm familiar with.



Boot from livecd and use dd to copy everything over.
>Windows won't recognize it
Check your BIOS and see if there have been any updates. My 10 year old machine can use NVME via PCIe but you must have the latest BIOS installed to support that.


Does distance to CPU matter in any noticeable way when it comes to m2 slots


Yes, but you should read your motherboard's manual to be sure. M.2 slots closer to the CPU are typically controlled by the CPU, whereas those farther away and between the PCIe slots typically share PCIe lanes through a PCIe bridge that will reduce the number of PCIe lanes going to the PCIe slot (Typically only affects slot 2 or 3, never slot 1), and may also affect SATA ports being usable.


Hmm so how about GPU. Because my motherboard supports two


Slot 1 is typically full bandwidth (x16). Slot 2, if no M.2 slots are occupied, and slot 1 is unoccupied, is typically full bandwidth (x16), but may drop to x8 if either of the aforementioned are true. Slot 3 is typically either half (x8) or quarter bandwidth (x4). Bear in mind, PCIe devices should generally work regardless of how many PCIe lanes are dedicated to the PCIe peripheral because PCIe is a packet based protocol, the device will just have less bandwidth available to it which may be an important consideration for certain applications.


Basically: RTFM


read the friendly manual


>Bear in mind, PCIe devices should generally work regardless of how many PCIe lanes are dedicated to the PCIe peripheral because PCIe is a packet based protocol, the device will just have less bandwidth available to it which may be an important consideration for certain applications.

Aside from GPUs I haven't noticed any issues with bandwidth. I have 5 slots occupied by different things in my desktop. Never been an issue. Slot 2 is occupied by capture card. Then usb card/serial ports and things go in order of least importance from there.

Most things outside of GPUs do not need the higher bandwidth. Even my internal PCI sound card is low latency despite occupying the last slot.


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Thought I'd do my case swap when the cpu came in but I guess I'll just do it today instead of other things


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Looks very box-y. Is it that "deep" for any particular reason? Or is it just short?


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It's a snug fit for the board. And cases bellow.

Also is molex dead


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It's not designed for more than two hdd with two ssd on the back plate


Thank God my psu is not actually upside down


It starts, yet what are these


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It's been a while, but isn't that a USB header? It's a connector to the USB ports in the front of the case.

No idea on this one. Looks PCI related maybe?


Yeah probably USB.

I think it looks like a sata port? Am I right...


It's a cable from the case itself, right? I guess look at the ports and stuff in the front of the case. Audio jacks aren't unusual, but it doesn't look like audio.
It would be nice if they stopped using delicate little individual cables for the power button or "hdd activity" lighting, but I doubt that's the case.


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I think it's a usb port running into the sata...


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Audio, power, 3.0 and the rgb button are in so... it must be the C 3.1


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Yeah, looks like USB 3.1. I had no idea it was so different. What even uses 3.1? I guess it's a bandwidth gain for removable storage?


My z390 should have this header somewhere


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It's at point 11


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But do you have anything that will use the USB 3.1? I just have a USB game controller sticking out of mine and it's 4 USB slots (USB 2.0).


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Phones come with lots of c cables

Should I put the gpu top or bottom... probably bottom


>be quiet!


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I can hear the groaning of my HDD
Sounds like it posts. And I have some nice rgb that doesn't suck


Top. Check the manual, but slot 3 is almost certainly NOT x16 electrically despite being x16 physically. You may see degraded performance.


It's for SLI I think. They're redundant, but I'll be adding dome more items around the cpu and don't feel like removing the gpu again


Nvm, seems like it isn't full speed, not sure without checking manual, but there's a weaker one somewhere


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Way too low



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I think I killed my mouse. It was a g203 and I really had no complaints about it, but cat hair occasionally gets inside the little hole in the bottom where the optical sensor is and after cleaning it out enough times I guess I scratched it or something? It started to shake when I tried to do slow movements and I really couldn't do precise stuff any more.
I took the mouse apart to try and get better access to it, but the way it's assembled means I'd have to seemingly remove the chip thing itself from the mouse and it seems to be glued on. I thought about it, but I can't imagine that working out so I just bought another replacement at $30.
And, no, the cat isn't even in the room right now so I can't take a picture.

I wonder how much cheaper it would be if it didn't have the dumb gamer lights on it. The first thing I did when I got this was turn it off. Thankfully I have an old backup mouse that is not nearly as comfortable.


These mice are made to die anyway. Been using them for the longest time now and they don't last longer than 2-3 years, either it starts double clicking or the wheel breaks.


Hmm, now that I think about it buying a $80 mouse every 5 years or a $30 mouse every two years isn't much of a difference, huh.


Ive got no idea if my mouse's down scroll is jumpy because of cat hair or defect. It bounces up and down when scrolling sometimes. Blowing into it fixes it, but only temporarily


I need a new mouse as well... My middle mouse button doesn't really work. It tends to triple click while I'm holding it. Makes trying to navigate GIMP and horizontal scroll in browsers really annoying and often times impossible. Fortunately, the rest of my mouse works fine so I'll probably just live with middle mouse not working until something more annoying breaks, like the side buttons for page navigation.


wanna try opening it up and clean the sensor?


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This is correct right. I guess I'll check the manual but it looks in order


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I thought this Chinese I7 was to come with a fan and thermal paste but I guess not. Perhaps I gave some lying around


pic of cat


Didn't put any thermal paste on other than what came with the block radiator from before. I wonder what sort of effect it will have.

I added another top rack fan so it should be cool anyways


Generally you should repaste when taking a cooler off. Thermal paste dries out with time will begin transferring heat less effectively. If the thermal paste was still tacky though, it's probably fine.


A tiny dot of thermal paste is all you need.
If it overflows, you put way too much on.


well, whatever was left on the cooler was pretty moist so I think it's fine


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CPU, as one could expect, does not have a noticible effect on furmark ratings


I think my 2D bench got rekt by running it in 8x PCIe3 instead of my 16x port


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Also, lmao'ing at my drive benchmark


too much is better than too little unless it's too much in which case it's worse


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holy FLIP Monster Hunter themed PC parts! Too bad they don't look that great. The best looking part is probably the gpu but thats also the most deprecatable and least visible one...


Yeah, none of that looks very good unfortunately. None of it looks Monster Hunter-y either apart from the Rathalos on the container in the back right. Well, I guess they didn't actually want to make anything new, just slap some stickers on pre-existing stuff.


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An update after having recieved 2 NVMe. Testing them individually first
Benchmark of the WD SN580 1TB


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Weakest performance is in this metric. Not sure what it is?


have to swap it out and put the next one in the identical slot for consistency but putting a windows11 iso onto flash drive is slow...


Speed in MB/s retrieving 4K block size at queue depth 1.


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Worst case scenario speed in other words I suppose

The next one is a Crucial P3 Plus 4TB
It seems to benchmark worse despite the box saying it's a faster drive than the WD


I think I'll run the test again. These are done with 3 iterations.

These are all PCIe gen 4 chips in the slot closest to a z390 cpu


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I think I'll run the test again. These are done with 3 iterations.

These are all PCIe gen 4 chips in the pcie3 slot closest to a Aorus z390 cpu
A retrial afirms the results.
So my primary OS will be on the WD.


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SSD/NVME benchmarks are something I never knew existed, but I guess people gotta measure them somehow. Maybe it's because I grew up with HDDs as the only option, but it's hard for me to tell the difference between different SSDs or different NVMEs.


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Strange fluctuations, but within realm of expectation


Almost worth getting a mechanical keyboard for


Was inside my PC recently after updating the BIOS. In the changelog it mentioned better DDR5 compatibility, so I opened it up and moved the sticks around and enabled some settings. Now my RAM instead of running at the stock 4800 MT/s runs stably at 5000 MT/s and seems to have improved a bit in some benchmarks. Far from the 6000 MT/s they're rated at though (; ̄Д ̄)

Now I really need to get some compressed air and blow out all the dust that's accumulated inside...


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I'm gutting the fans off of this prebuilt.


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I'll stick the RGB module it came with on the front. I unplugged all the fans because they're too noisy so it's almost an empty box


>so it's almost an empty box
Stick the cat in it and close it so it's pressed up against the glass, then take piccies.


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Mean... My cat is hiding from you at the end


How long does /QA/ keep their monitors for? Mine is 7 years old and has been burning images onto the screen since probably 5 years, though it was not as bad then. It seems it would be excessive to buy a new monitor every 5 years but that would be what is needed to not have screen burn in. Or do people just accept it?


isn't that an oled thing? you can have a non oled monitor. I expect my monitor to last me for a decade!


No, I'm pretty sure my monitor is an LCD monitor.


I bought a used one in, uh, 2015, and it's been serving me pretty decently up to now. It goes dark for a few seconds around once a month or so, but other than that, the picture is fine.
(I added a second monitor in 2022 when I expected that the markets might crash, and that one is working fine too)


Huh... By burning images on screens I don't mean that it does it all the time, it does it when a static image is left on the screen for a long time, particularly around the edges but over the years it moved inwards. It will leave a faded kind of ghost imprint for a while after that.


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Before I recently upgraded monitors it had been about 10 years for my main monitor >>100334 and I used what is technically a TV that was about 14 years old as my second monitor, although it was too large to be very convenient and like 1/3rd of the screen was hidden behind the main monitor. (I have a L-shape desk in the corner)
I'm using QLED now and they're supposed to be very resistant to burn-in and it has two different maintenance things it does to the screen- once daily and one about every 4 months. After 4 hours of use I'm supposed to let it run for 10 minutes in which the screen is blank, but I generally don't bother and just do it at the end of every day. Something about moving pixels around or something... I don't remember.


wait nevermind I looked it up again and it's OLED


Mine were about 9 years old before they started dying and getting bad discoloration and scanlines. I transported them to and from collage every year though so they held up well all things considered.

I probably won't replace my current monitors until I can get 4k 144Hz ones for a reasonable price.


Accidently smacked my monitor with my keyboard(I use a laptop and desktop with not a ton of space) and it left these marks for a 5 min, but cleared up. But the screen responds a lot to touch pressure, leaving temporary marks, and I think one day it will burn or similar when the LCD juices get less fresh


My mother once soft-killed one of my monitors by watering a flower directly above it.
After the monitor had turned dark, she calmly sought me out in the garden and told me about the event. It was me who actually pulled the plug.
It was never the same again after that.


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Built a cheapest PC off of second hand parts for like $60. The DIY feel is great, feeling very proud.


I can't get over that the Arch logo looks like a bald guy sitting in front of a triangle


no it looks like a first person view from a naked fat guy


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Get your butt in here and sit down. We got some business to discuss.


arch-CEO of ganoo/linux


<looks like the silhouette of the average arch user


had a blackout in the middle of the night but my uninterruptible power supply did its job w00t w00t


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Gonna test any performance benefits a gtx1080 in a pice3 8x, dedicated to physx, will do.


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Ventilation? Airflow? Never heard of it


The fact that you posted only a single shoe makes me uncomfortable. Where is the other shoe?


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Found it


Thank you.


nvidia drivers messed up as soon as it detected two cards. I forget if I've had this issue in the past, but reinstalling drivers before I can test


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In the meantime I guess I put the AMD 5600 back into my other computer which I'm going to put a different OS onto


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easy driver reinstall fix. Probably was another way.


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No real noticeable difference or detriment. I presume my card gets hotter though


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Weird though, my furmark benchmark is much worse


how strange... even with the other GPU unpowered it still can't hit my window10 numbers


even if I compare all my other numbers, my best benchmarks were on windows10 >>119841

Is it possible that windows11 is just outright garbage?


My only conclusion is that I'm lacking in RAM to run windows11 properly, but it begs the question... why windows 11?


why not mwahahahaha


Windows 11 should have a negligible difference in performance. The only explanation I can think of for this big of a discrepency is that the GPU driver was not actually loaded and you were instead using integrated graphics for that test.


That's not a reasonable assumption. I did a restart without my second GPU and a restart with both GPU and both the framerates were ~90 which is far worse than what I had on windows10


Skill issue then.


you are a miicrosoft employee


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I'll try changing drivers with only the RTX at some point when I install arch onto my other computer


Until then, Microsoft is gimping my computer, probably because I don't have enough DRAM anymoore


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Scandi accents will never not sound tard.


holy what the CAT


er, apparently the nvme slots of my motherboard came with something called thermal pads and I thought it was just some random crap they put onto it for protection... well, I guess I didn't need them...


covered in cathair and dust anyways


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I have a bit of a question related to PC building. What's the best way of setting up a good, stable, long-term storage? I've only ever heard of RAID so I don't really know much about it but it seems like mostly just a big backup for a single drive, but I want something that'll allow me to hold a huge amount of data without needing to worry about space or failure so I don't know if that's the best setup unless I have 64tb drives.


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If it's something that you want to preserve for a long time, but might not necessarily need to access very often, the answer is cold storage. Basically, that means taking making a backup of those files and then putting them onto a drive or a disc. If you really care about them you would make two copies: one to keep at home, and another "off-site", to store somewhere like a bank safety deposit box.

If you need to access the files with some regularity, the answer is generally a NAS. There's NAS manufacturers if you want something put-together. Synology and QNAP are the two leading brands in that area. You don't need to go out and buy a custom system though. If you want to, you can just build a budget PC and put drives into it, and then install a NAS management OS like TrueNAS or Unraid. That said, "RAID is not a backup!". It's a system for fault tolerance so a single or multiple drive failures without losing all of the data. Basically, you would select the RAID level that is most suitable for your level of fault tolerance (how much you care about the data), how much performance you want, and how much you care about storage efficiency. You can't really have all three. RAID0 is no fault tolerance, high speed, and high storage efficiency. RAID1 is high fault tolerance, and high speed, but poor storage efficiency. RAID5 is decent fault tolerance, but poorer speed, and decent storage efficiency. RAID6 is better fault tolerance, but poorer speed, and worsened storage efficiency. There's also RAIDz, which is essentially the same RAID levels, but using the ZFS filesystem on something like TrueNAS. RAIDz1 is RAID1, RAIDz2 is RAID5, and RAIDz3 is RAID6.


for this company server I set up it has 2TB of RAID5(so 3 960GB drives) and backups of the 2TB are made onto a 2TB flash drive plugged into the server. I believe it has cloud backups as well to azure.


so anyways, to set up software RAID5 I think you can probably get it to copy your existing data into the array through some steps. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/how-to-set-up-raid-windows-10,36783.html

For 64TB you need 32TB*3 to get RAID5. If one of the drive fails the others will still function but your computer won't go to operating system without recovery. Or Windows should tell you a drive failed. Never had to deal with it


from the looks of it it's a major hastle to go from a No-RAID(this is different from RAID0 btw) setup into RAID5.

So you might consider a service like dropbox, or if you're afraid of ToS violations then an NAS is a pretty cool option, but you could just plug an external harddrive into a random computer you have and setup network uploads into it. In any case, to get automatic drive fail saftey then you'll need a way to put all your data onto an empty space and reupload it.


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So like, I'd plug three formatted drives into the computer, then start up Disk Management to confirm or go into Storage Spaces and it should list everything you have.
There will likely be a way somehow to select all three empty and group them into RAID5.

If you have a 100TB drive, a 32TB drive and a 64TB drive, you might be able to create 32TB partitions on each. Something I'd experiment with


actually, wtf are you even talking about with wanting 64TB of HDD... we're going to have to start going into obscure sorts of RAID configurations if you want that to even be possible with current hardware limitations. Most practical is going to be 44TB from 3x 22TB on RAID5 https://www.newegg.ca/seagate-ironwolf-pro-st22000nt001-22tb/p/N82E16822185096?Item=N82E16822185096


Larger hard drives are more failure prone, and take much longer to recover if one fails. It's better to use smaller hard drives and more of them. Personally, I think 12TB is probably the sweet spot.


how do you setup network uploads? i have a NAS with some space and I was thinking of setting up a cron job that calls rsync on the folders i care about preserving but thats pretty jury-rigged


I imagine there are probably some tools that behave like OneDrive or Dropbox, either foss or premium.
What I do with my projects is have it upload to a server every time I restart


With a cron task that is. You might FTP but I just ssh


How does that drive differ from this one? I know WD Black is pretty good from memory and seagate had a bad rep at one point for dying drives.


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Reminder that World Backup Day will be on the 31st of this month and there should be some good deals on drives, if you're looking to buy any.


Didn't even know about this, thanks for the heads up Anon.


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Win11 benchmark... will compile them into a list later...


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gotten pretty fast at reinstalling my programs after a format...


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Is this an anthropomorphic ("furry") test?


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New furry




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test with furmark 1 since all my others have been on that


hm, there's AA on the win11 test for some reason


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I'm not sure why windows 11's benchmark is on AA4x but Win10's isn't. That accounts for the framerate weirdness.

I apparently missed that because it's in my older screenshots too >>118626 >>119842


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passmark ratings are nominally better in 2D rendering but roughly equal in 3D. Win11's layout system might be messing with it for being too much bloat

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