I need a thread to post about the Utwarerumono trilogy, specifically the anime adaptation of part 3 which has just started airing so I made this thread. Generally speaking, I'll do what I did about the stream thread here >>91605
and post art and music and stuff to share my love for this series and I hope you'll join me in talking about it!
I LOVE Utwarerumono
! Do you love Utwarerumono
? You should love Utawarerumono
! Let's all talk about our love for Utawarerumono
! This is a thread of those who love that of whose legends are sung!
Interestingly, the first episode did include an expected summary of part 2, but what was unexpected was that it briefly included the stuff from the first Utawarerumono.
If you didn't read or watch "season 1" (I still might host a stream for it) I did some rough summaries of the stuff that's relevant to the story starting with this post in that thread: WARNING BIG SPOILERS >>91693
However, I really consider this stuff to be more of a prologue. I mean, it's given a minute here out of 28 episodes. It's also not mentioned at all in the 25 episodes before them. You see the characters so it's almost like fan service, but their stories were told already. There's also a line somewhere in this clip that's important, but I won't tell you which one it is. (teehee)
Also, kissu's servers got a nice upgrade recently so I can share some big files!
things at 0:42 in the video had a really nice theme in the original VN. These missions were painful to play, though.
I thought she died in the first season?
Obviously I meant the country...
It is a mystery! Keep Kuon spirit.
(guess I'd better blot out the Japanese text I can't read since it might have spoiler stuff in it)
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Someone in IRC said they liked how Kuon speaks. I agree, but I also think Atuy/Atui's speech is just as good if not better!
It's a Kansai thing I think people said in the stream a few weeks ago, but I don't know Japan so I'll take their word for it.
This isn't spoilery at all, but it's a good comedic moment that I really enjoyed.
DameDesuYo is picking up the subs!https://nyaa.si/view/1550509
They did Season 2, so this is great news. SubsPlease is using the VN spellings, which is a more, uhh, European or whatever you call it spelling of stuff. Instead of Tuskuru it's Tuskur, and instead of Oshutaru it's Oshtar.
Honestly they both sound
the same to me, Japanese people tend to add a vowel sound to words as I'm sure we're all aware of on kissu, so it's not a big deal to me.
I might do some direct comparisons of episode 1 later, though.
Anyway, episode 3 aired today! Anilist was inaccurate about it, but I'm not sure about MAL and the others.
However (episode 3 spoiler ahead)
In the four minute scene between Oshtar and Maroro, Maroro is animated wonderfully.
This gives me tremendous faith in the trilogy's ending.
So while consistency would certainly be ideal, they've prioritized the more serious moments.
S1 kinda turned people off with its endless slow paced SoL episodes I assume, so there's very little people watching S2 now. The original Underwater Ray Romano was popular on 4/a/ before since it's not slow paced in comparison.
Hmm, maybe that's true. If you don't like SoL then the first cour of the second entry is a bit weak.
If people properly see 2 and 3 as one story, however, it's one cour out of four. Even as things intensify there's still humor and silly moments. Maybe it's that people can't accept the things as part of one world. They need it to be all blood and war or all cuteness. I think this season has quite a bit of those two things mixing, though, and of course Madoka was and still is absurdly popular.
I recently watched the OVAs of the first Utawarerumono and it has the side stories of the VN, so maybe that would have been a better way of doing things? I think it's inseparable, though. Without the OVAs the anime pretty much blew over Urutori and Touka and it also completely excluded the comic relief trio. Kamyu didn't get nearly enough time at all, even with the OVAs. I think that was a major failing.
Is it vital to the overall story? No, but it's part of the world and it gives the characters, well, characterization. One of the strengths of the VN format is that you get to know the characters for a long time and you start to understand them more than you would in a 3 hour anime season. I feel like this is something that has been rectified in the first cour of the second season. As someone said in the Utawarerumono stream thread, Aquaplus has matured in storytelling and I have faith they will give it the needed time in this anime adaptation.
Back to "season 3":
So far I think they've rushed ahead a bit. Not in a bad way, as the stuff they've rushed through isn't that important and this means it's giving more time to the stuff that is. I feel like they were a bit more direct in episode 3 in condensing something that happens over 5-10 or so hours in the VN, but that's to be expected. Episode three spoiler:Specifically Haku's outlook. He's gone from meek guy to "leave a mountain of corpses to demonstrate our power" in two episodes. I remember it being more gradual in the VN.
With what I said earlier, I think this means it will give time for an SoL episode or two at certain story points despite it not directly advancing the story. It gives the world life, and that is Utawareumono's beauty.
Is haku's military style true to his character or is this shoe'd in to try and show the difference between him and oshtor?
so people realistically have no reason to be shocked in ep 3...
Guess I need to read the VN to understand the characterization
Well, I did say things were advancing further in the anime than in the same timeframe as the VN. There are a few things about Haku, however, that you'll remember from season 2 of the anime or the VN.
He's a human, he saw humanity die off and since waking up in the future he also recently lost his best friend, his brother and the princess (brother's daughter) almost died from poisoning and can no longer speak. The woman he possibly loved is also gone, crushed by his "death".
He's living a false life where his self died and he's living as aforementioned best friend. I think most people would end up falling off the deep end with all of that.
Now he has his brother's former empire coming for him and his friends.
So, yeah, I think it's pretty fair.
so do the games give him monologue to explain this or is it audience interpretation?
Hmmm, it's been a few years since I read them, but yeah being a VN there's monologue.. I think? I really can't remember if Utawarerumono 2 had the typical VN inner monologues or not.
I don't think it really needs to be explained, however. I don't think the anime is glossing over anything significant.
One key difference so far is that the opening of the third VN was from Kuon's perspective. It doesn't last long, but it just shows you some basic stuff in the current life of Kuon. The second season of the anime also didn't include the short epilogue scene that I uploaded here: >>92331
It's a bit strange and it makes me wonder how they're going to do things differently now.
Pic related is from the opening of Utawarerumono 2, you are seeing it from Haku's eyes. In Utawarerumono 3 they do a direct callback to it, but you're seeing it from Kuon's eyes in a different situation. This type of scene is generally exclusive to VNs, I suppose. It's also how Utawarerumono 1 opened now that I think about it.
Yes, I deleted and reposted because of a stupid typo.
kuon looks like she's ready to punch shit in that pic
Always confused between the Gods names and the place names in Utawarerumono.
Image is from Episode 1 and isn't a spoiler.>>93282
Yeah, she's basically a monk gameplay-wise.
In other news, I got my vita charged and have access to my full saves from all 3 games (1 was re-released on Vita and PC a few years ago) so I can look stuff up. 2018 was when I last played 3, so my memory is indeed not trustworthy about much of this.
I can point out a few story changes so far, and one of them is particularly interesting to me. Pic related.Haku easily sensed Ougi approaching, and Ougi himself said that was impressed that he couldn't sneak up on Haku. The conversation is a normal one about strategy.
I thought HorribleSubs died?
Oh, the replacement.
What the hell just happened to Kuon!?
she's 1/3 god, 1/3 something else, 1/3 something random
I assume you just watched episode 4? Do you mean her voice? Strangely, it's much more pronounced and different in the anime than in the VN. It sounds less like something the actress is doing and sounds more like artificial voice modulation. I wonder if maybe her voice can't do that any more? It's weird.
Interestingly, the part at the beginning here (1-3) in the VN >>93325
is what just aired. I knew they had to show it eventually, but it's an interesting that they changed the order. They also included a flashback scene to the epilogue of the second VN. I posted it in the old stream thread, but I'll do it again. This attached video is the part at 16:20 in Episode 4.
There's also some minor story changes. It's kind of beaten over your head in this episode that Kuon has a special parentage, but it's quite a bit more nebulous at this point in the VN. In the stream thread I told you to pay attention to Oboro's few words. Specifically, a [spoiler]"a love like your mother's...a love that never had a chance to bloom". If you know Utawarerumon 1 then I know Kuon's biological mom by now, and if you know her mom then you know her biological dad.
sasuga>>93655> Do you mean her voice?
Yeah.>mom>dadIt's Yuzu and Hakuouro, right?
They mentioned her name in the fourth episode when talking about Kuon's illness.
Oh the name was mentioned? I forgot. Yeah, I guess it's even more obvious than I remember.
Okay, sure, but who's the toddler?
Yeah, I was wondering what happened to her. She never appeared after the first Utawarerumono.
Someone in the stream is curious about Kuon's mom. This is stuff excluded from the anime either due to time constraints or just a different atmosphere they desired since it wasn't an adaptation with sex scenes like the eroge.
If you only watched the anime you know that she's sickly, but in the VN I remember her being seen more often in bed than out of it. Haku would talk to her about the world and such, but she could only live vicariously through him. As the disease progresses she starts to think of a legacy, proof that she lived. She pleads with Haku to give her a child. And, well, he succeeds. In the post-credits epilogue she had already passed away and Oboro is seen at her grave as he departs on a journey. But with him is a baby which will see the world that her mom could not.
I'd just go with subsplease, it's been pretty hard for me to hold back from watching it on my own since I want to do it in the stream.
I decided (by not deciding!) that I'll make a poll in the stream if people want to just go ahead with the SubsPlease stuff. I have a feeling that >>94394
is probably the common opinion and people would rather be caught up that have perfected subs.
If they do, then I'll go go back to talking about the latest episode instead of the latest DDY episode.
But, I will say I was right about >>94307
oh no, did they kill the cute fox thing from s1 to cure anju's throat?
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"Does Kuon know?"
(video is episode 7)
it's funny because haku's disguise has been questioned a few times
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(VIDEO IS EPISODE 7)
I wonder? Why is she crying? Is it sadness, or...
happy to say that the anime lived up to the VN here and surpassed in some ways because of the nice visuals. Everything was included and I don't think anything is missing. The episode was epic in exactly the way I was expecting it to be. While the action was nice, it was epic to me because of all the emotions involved.
The original Utawarerumono was heavily focused on war and violence and while this one will be heading there in due time I think 2 and 3's characters and emotions propel it above the original. But, it's a bit hard to compare them because of that difference.
It's nice that they've dropped the ED twice in a row now to fit in more story.
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I think there's more depth to the characters and setting in the newer novels that came from increased experience in writing. I really enjoy it too.
Maybe I should try this out sometime. I saw someone compare the original games to fire emblem, and I've been in a bit of a fire memeblemy mood lately.
>>94614VIDEO NOTE: CHARACTER NEAR END OF VIDEO IS SORT OF A SPOILER OF S3 EPISODE 7 WHICH AIRED 5 DAYS AGO!!
If you have experience in games like Fire Emblem you're going to find it easy, but at the same time I found it far more enjoyable. It has a difficulty setting, but I don't remember anything too extreme. It even has a Rewind button to go back multiple turns, as they really wanted people to get through it for the VN parts.
I really, really loved the combat, though. The way that the characters are unique and not just Warrior or Mage is really nice.
The attached video is a tutorial section meant to show you how different characters and stuff works and it shows you a little of what I mean by characters being unique. You may notice that it has visual cues on the screen, you're supposed to time button presses or releases to get extra damage or dodges and so on, like a rhythm game (or Mario RPGs)