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I need a thread to post about the Utwarerumono trilogy, specifically the anime adaptation of part 3 which has just started airing so I made this thread. Generally speaking, I'll do what I did about the stream thread here >>91605 and post art and music and stuff to share my love for this series and I hope you'll join me in talking about it!
I LOVE Utwarerumono! Do you love Utwarerumono? You should love Utawarerumono! Let's all talk about our love for Utawarerumono! This is a thread of those who love that of whose legends are sung!


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I really love Kuon and hope that she and Tuskuru appear again in the third season!


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Interestingly, the first episode did include an expected summary of part 2, but what was unexpected was that it briefly included the stuff from the first Utawarerumono.
If you didn't read or watch "season 1" (I still might host a stream for it) I did some rough summaries of the stuff that's relevant to the story starting with this post in that thread: WARNING BIG SPOILERS >>91693
However, I really consider this stuff to be more of a prologue. I mean, it's given a minute here out of 28 episodes. It's also not mentioned at all in the 25 episodes before them. You see the characters so it's almost like fan service, but their stories were told already. There's also a line somewhere in this clip that's important, but I won't tell you which one it is. (teehee)
Also, kissu's servers got a nice upgrade recently so I can share some big files!


Those mecha things at 0:42 in the video had a really nice theme in the original VN. These missions were painful to play, though.


>appear again
I thought she died in the first season?


Obviously I meant the country...


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It is a mystery! Keep Kuon spirit.
(guess I'd better blot out the Japanese text I can't read since it might have spoiler stuff in it)


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Someone in IRC said they liked how Kuon speaks. I agree, but I also think Atuy/Atui's speech is just as good if not better!
It's a Kansai thing I think people said in the stream a few weeks ago, but I don't know Japan so I'll take their word for it.
This isn't spoilery at all, but it's a good comedic moment that I really enjoyed.


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love her


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DameDesuYo is picking up the subs!
They did Season 2, so this is great news. SubsPlease is using the VN spellings, which is a more, uhh, European or whatever you call it spelling of stuff. Instead of Tuskuru it's Tuskur, and instead of Oshutaru it's Oshtar.
Honestly they both sound the same to me, Japanese people tend to add a vowel sound to words as I'm sure we're all aware of on kissu, so it's not a big deal to me.
I might do some direct comparisons of episode 1 later, though.
Anyway, episode 3 aired today! Anilist was inaccurate about it, but I'm not sure about MAL and the others.


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Finished episode 3 and I'm very happy and relieved to report that the animation quality is still good. I think there is definitely a drop in the overall quality, but the serious parts where you are paying full attention to faces doesn't show a decline. Yes, there's 3D soldiers in 3D combat, but if it means the other scenes are animated better then I can easily tolerate it. They're just nameless cannon fodder, anyway.
I don't see 3D in the heart-wrenching scenes of pure human emotion. Yes indeed, episode 3 is when you're getting a picture of things to come.
(If you're watching it in the seasonal stream you haven't seen 3 yet.)

This pic is an example of lower quality. I didn't really notice while I was watching it live, but it's apparent in a still image.


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However (episode 3 spoiler ahead)
In the four minute scene between Oshtar and Maroro, Maroro is animated wonderfully. This gives me tremendous faith in the trilogy's ending.
So while consistency would certainly be ideal, they've prioritized the more serious moments.


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Once again I checked other imageboards (not many, I don't explore them much) for discussion about this and only 4/a/ had a thread, and a small one at that with one of the comments pointing out how dead it is. No, I don't use that accursed board, but I'm trying to gauge interest.
What's the deal? Why can't the world appreciate the beauty of Utawareumono?


S1 kinda turned people off with its endless slow paced SoL episodes I assume, so there's very little people watching S2 now. The original Underwater Ray Romano was popular on 4/a/ before since it's not slow paced in comparison.


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Hmm, maybe that's true. If you don't like SoL then the first cour of the second entry is a bit weak.
If people properly see 2 and 3 as one story, however, it's one cour out of four. Even as things intensify there's still humor and silly moments. Maybe it's that people can't accept the things as part of one world. They need it to be all blood and war or all cuteness. I think this season has quite a bit of those two things mixing, though, and of course Madoka was and still is absurdly popular.

I recently watched the OVAs of the first Utawarerumono and it has the side stories of the VN, so maybe that would have been a better way of doing things? I think it's inseparable, though. Without the OVAs the anime pretty much blew over Urutori and Touka and it also completely excluded the comic relief trio. Kamyu didn't get nearly enough time at all, even with the OVAs. I think that was a major failing.
Is it vital to the overall story? No, but it's part of the world and it gives the characters, well, characterization. One of the strengths of the VN format is that you get to know the characters for a long time and you start to understand them more than you would in a 3 hour anime season. I feel like this is something that has been rectified in the first cour of the second season. As someone said in the Utawarerumono stream thread, Aquaplus has matured in storytelling and I have faith they will give it the needed time in this anime adaptation.

Back to "season 3":
So far I think they've rushed ahead a bit. Not in a bad way, as the stuff they've rushed through isn't that important and this means it's giving more time to the stuff that is. I feel like they were a bit more direct in episode 3 in condensing something that happens over 5-10 or so hours in the VN, but that's to be expected. Episode three spoiler:
Specifically Haku's outlook. He's gone from meek guy to "leave a mountain of corpses to demonstrate our power" in two episodes. I remember it being more gradual in the VN.

With what I said earlier, I think this means it will give time for an SoL episode or two at certain story points despite it not directly advancing the story. It gives the world life, and that is Utawareumono's beauty.


Is haku's military style true to his character or is this shoe'd in to try and show the difference between him and oshtor?


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I'm not really sure what you mean? People change as the story progresses


so people realistically have no reason to be shocked in ep 3...


Guess I need to read the VN to understand the characterization


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Well, I did say things were advancing further in the anime than in the same timeframe as the VN. There are a few things about Haku, however, that you'll remember from season 2 of the anime or the VN.

He's a human, he saw humanity die off and since waking up in the future he also recently lost his best friend, his brother and the princess (brother's daughter) almost died from poisoning and can no longer speak. The woman he possibly loved is also gone, crushed by his "death".
He's living a false life where his self died and he's living as aforementioned best friend. I think most people would end up falling off the deep end with all of that.
Now he has his brother's former empire coming for him and his friends.

So, yeah, I think it's pretty fair.


so do the games give him monologue to explain this or is it audience interpretation?


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Hmmm, it's been a few years since I read them, but yeah being a VN there's monologue.. I think? I really can't remember if Utawarerumono 2 had the typical VN inner monologues or not.
I don't think it really needs to be explained, however. I don't think the anime is glossing over anything significant.
One key difference so far is that the opening of the third VN was from Kuon's perspective. It doesn't last long, but it just shows you some basic stuff in the current life of Kuon. The second season of the anime also didn't include the short epilogue scene that I uploaded here: >>92331.
It's a bit strange and it makes me wonder how they're going to do things differently now.

Pic related is from the opening of Utawarerumono 2, you are seeing it from Haku's eyes. In Utawarerumono 3 they do a direct callback to it, but you're seeing it from Kuon's eyes in a different situation. This type of scene is generally exclusive to VNs, I suppose. It's also how Utawarerumono 1 opened now that I think about it.
Yes, I deleted and reposted because of a stupid typo.


kuon looks like she's ready to punch shit in that pic


Always confused between the Gods names and the place names in Utawarerumono.


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Image is from Episode 1 and isn't a spoiler.

Yeah, she's basically a monk gameplay-wise.
In other news, I got my vita charged and have access to my full saves from all 3 games (1 was re-released on Vita and PC a few years ago) so I can look stuff up. 2018 was when I last played 3, so my memory is indeed not trustworthy about much of this.

I can point out a few story changes so far, and one of them is particularly interesting to me. Pic related.
Haku easily sensed Ougi approaching, and Ougi himself said that was impressed that he couldn't sneak up on Haku. The conversation is a normal one about strategy.


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However, in the VN not only did Ougi easily sneak up on Haku to deliver his report, he is so astute that Haku questions whether or not the disguise works at all on him. Both of them avoid making any clear statements, but Haku is really nervous about it.


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I made a chart with the 'event selection' menu from the VN. It covers the first three episodes, so you can click it if you've seen them.
Ignore the red lines, it's just where the cursor was for each screenshot.

>005 Hoshiakari (Starlight)
This is the opening video. Don't watch it because it's spoilery. I customarily skip the openings of video games because they tend to show you things you shouldn't know yet. This was no exception.

>036, 037 Red vs White
It's the characters sparring and it introduces training mode. It's a gameplay thing.

Green: Not seen, but not a spoiler. SoL stuff with some serious parts. Some of them sound far more dramatic than they actually are.
Aqua: Episode 1
Orange: Episode 2
Magenta: Episode 3
White: Stuff merged together
Black: Important story that is strangely delayed for another time. I can't see them skipping this over, they've moved it around somehow.

This took too long to make so I'm not going to do it again unless there's another serious split in the story, which I suppose is possible.


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Also, looking at how the story is progressing I think the window is closing on streaming the first one.
Hmm... but the seasonal stream is so long that I don't know if people want two long streams two nights in a row.


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Gonna dump some HorribleSubs/DameDesuYo comparisons


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It looks better, unless my monitor has some weird bias at the top left (doing this comparison is hard "live")


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Karaoke subs!


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Well, I'm not going to upload 50 comparisons, but I guess the point has been made. DDY has the same general translation as it did for Season 2, although it seems to include honorifics which it didn't previously.
It's obviously the superior version (not that there was any doubt) and I think if there isn't an episode 3 released on time for the seasonal stream then we'll be behind a week on it.


I thought HorribleSubs died?


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Errr yeah, you know what I mean...


Oh, the replacement.


What the hell just happened to Kuon!?


she's 1/3 god, 1/3 something else, 1/3 something random


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I assume you just watched episode 4? Do you mean her voice? Strangely, it's much more pronounced and different in the anime than in the VN. It sounds less like something the actress is doing and sounds more like artificial voice modulation. I wonder if maybe her voice can't do that any more? It's weird.

Interestingly, the part at the beginning here (1-3) in the VN >>93325 is what just aired. I knew they had to show it eventually, but it's an interesting that they changed the order. They also included a flashback scene to the epilogue of the second VN. I posted it in the old stream thread, but I'll do it again. This attached video is the part at 16:20 in Episode 4.
There's also some minor story changes. It's kind of beaten over your head in this episode that Kuon has a special parentage, but it's quite a bit more nebulous at this point in the VN. In the stream thread I told you to pay attention to Oboro's few words. Specifically, a [spoiler]"a love like your mother's...a love that never had a chance to bloom". If you know Utawarerumon 1 then I know Kuon's biological mom by now, and if you know her mom then you know her biological dad.


> Do you mean her voice?
It's Yuzu and Hakuouro, right? They mentioned her name in the fourth episode when talking about Kuon's illness.


Oh the name was mentioned? I forgot. Yeah, I guess it's even more obvious than I remember.


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DameDesuYo's subs for episode 4 are out! I had hoped they would include some subs for a song during it and... THEY DID!
Without getting spoilery, episode 4 is actually the very beginning of the third VN. It's an interesting decision to move things around like this. I wonder if it's a glimpse into the past or if they did actually alter the flow of events. I suppose the former would make the most sense.
They did change another thing which involves episode 3 and 5, but I'll mention it next week when, presumably, DDY's subs of it are out.

Anyway, I really like the architecture and designs here. Not just the clothing, but the architecture looks really good! Truly Tuskuru has good architects!

I need to start posting more of the art book, though I need to crop out the giant blank spaces and possibly scale them down so the thread isn't 500mb


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Hmm, this girl looks familiar...
Did you know that her disease is tied to a gameplay element in the original VN game?
Everyone is born with an element, like Fire or Wind. It's a Rock/Paper/Scissor kind of system as in most RPGs, something to spice things up and keep you from using the same characters for everything. Anyway, in the story you're born with an element. But occasionally, someone is born with a few of them or all of them. It's fatal. Usually...


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This moment here was a reference you might have missed.
Camyu/Kamyu mentions that someone with a traumatic experience, the mind will fabricate new memories to escape the pain.
Well, you probably have a character in mind if you read or watched the original Utawarerumono.
She was there (kind of, as Mutsumi) while Genjimaru was obliterated and it broke the mind of the princess


Okay, sure, but who's the toddler?


Yeah, I was wondering what happened to her. She never appeared after the first Utawarerumono.


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Someone in the stream is curious about Kuon's mom. This is stuff excluded from the anime either due to time constraints or just a different atmosphere they desired since it wasn't an adaptation with sex scenes like the eroge.
If you only watched the anime you know that she's sickly, but in the VN I remember her being seen more often in bed than out of it. Haku would talk to her about the world and such, but she could only live vicariously through him. As the disease progresses she starts to think of a legacy, proof that she lived. She pleads with Haku to give her a child. And, well, he succeeds. In the post-credits epilogue she had already passed away and Oboro is seen at her grave as he departs on a journey. But with him is a baby which will see the world that her mom could not.




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I know almost nothing about Japanese history, but I'm pretty sure Tuskuru is based on the Ainu people, with certain elaborate embellishments of course.


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And for my 4th post in a row I'll mention that Monochrome Mobius is supposed to come out in a few months. I've kept myself ignorant of the game, but.. where Square and so many others have failed us, Aquaplus is giving us a new turn-based JRPG in 2022! Not only that, but it's an Utawarerumono prequel.
That's Oshtaru in the middle, Munechika on the upper left and Mikazuchi on the lower left with some mystery girl on the upper right.


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With the SubsPlease release (episode 6) I can say that episode 7 is going to be one of the epic episodes, sort of like 4 was to a degree. Well, you might not have thought 4 was epic, but I did.
Anyway, the biggest strength of anime over VNs is of course animation, and 7 is going to show some moments where the anime has the potential to greatly overshadow the VN. I can't really elaborate, but unless they change things majorly the episode is going to be exactly what I think it is.

ARRRGHH! It's so hard to delay talking about stuff because of fansubs. If damedesuyo didn't also take on Lycoris I bet they'd be a lot faster, but it's not like I'm paying them so I can't complain too much. Their subs are just so much better...


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DameDesuYo's subs are falling behind a bit. I want to preface by saying that I greatly appreciate their free work and it's fantastic what they do. If they are busy with something IRL then that's their prerogative and I respect it.
But, after taking on Lycoris Recoil the Utawarerumono subs have slowed down and it looks like DDY's episode 5 subs won't be out for today's seasonal stream.
It's easy to decide that we'll go with original SubsPlease/Erai Raws/whatever subs for episode 5 today, but I wonder if we should maybe use them by default and catch up. This is a hard decision because DDY's subs are really good, but it's also really really awkward to be increasingly behind on a heavily plot-based show where I greatly anticipate and want to talk about the new stuff ASAP. If we don't do SubsPlease subs tonight then we'll be three weeks behind.
Once the decision is made there's no going back unless we were to go a few weeks without it, which would be painful.


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Subs are more or less just a crutch for me so I don't really care for who's doing them.


I'd just go with subsplease, it's been pretty hard for me to hold back from watching it on my own since I want to do it in the stream.


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I decided (by not deciding!) that I'll make a poll in the stream if people want to just go ahead with the SubsPlease stuff. I have a feeling that >>94394 is probably the common opinion and people would rather be caught up that have perfected subs.
If they do, then I'll go go back to talking about the latest episode instead of the latest DDY episode.
But, I will say I was right about >>94307!


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Yeah, people wanted to catch up so I'll talk about the latest episodes now instead of the DDY one. Though, I still plan to watch the DDY stuff myself since I'm a bit obsessed with this stuff.
Man, I loved episode 7 a whole lot. I think they did a great job bringing it to anime form. You really gain a lot when there's visuals instead of just text, although the VN did have image flashes and special effects for swings and stuff.

Did you know that they created a whole bunch of official LINE sticker things for that IM program or whatever it is over there? Man, I'm a bit jealous. We just have those awful facebook and iphone smileys and they're horrifically ugly and plain.


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I was hoping for a couple frames of Haku going "'kana'?" and realizing it might be Kuon but I guess not.


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And people might think a part of episode 5 was a bit hamfisted.
Oh, how convenient that there's magical cure-all just for the princess's throat, right?


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...but he did have one, or the ingredients for one, in the original. It's never elaborated upon what Anju's medicine was made out of, however. It could be that it was made with something else, but the point is that intensely potent medicines exist.


oh no, did they kill the cute fox thing from s1 to cure anju's throat?


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They definitely wouldn't with that specific one and I doubt they'd do it to any other. Tuskur(u) has really strong apothecaries, though. My point was more to show that it's completely in line with the world to have such strong medicines. It's not a "deux ex machina" or whatever.


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I thought it was a nice touch to show these platform things while they were training. They were there in the optional training "puzzle" maps that were meant to show you how to use different characters.


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The tradition of cartoon disguises that have zero effect on the audience, but fool everyone in their world must be protected at all costs. You can't go against such things.


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One of the things excluded from the anime are the cooking parts. There's quite a few scenes centered on Rurutie cooking things. It's not a coincidence they look like "modern" snacks since Haku was involved and used some of his knowledge.
It's just a bunch of SoL fluff so you didn't miss anything.


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"Does Kuon know?"
(video is episode 7)


it's funny because haku's disguise has been questioned a few times


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I wonder? Why is she crying? Is it sadness, or...

I'm VERY happy to say that the anime lived up to the VN here and surpassed in some ways because of the nice visuals. Everything was included and I don't think anything is missing. The episode was epic in exactly the way I was expecting it to be. While the action was nice, it was epic to me because of all the emotions involved.
The original Utawarerumono was heavily focused on war and violence and while this one will be heading there in due time I think 2 and 3's characters and emotions propel it above the original. But, it's a bit hard to compare them because of that difference.

It's nice that they've dropped the ED twice in a row now to fit in more story.


> I missed, Huh what?


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;_; ;_; ;_;


I think there's more depth to the characters and setting in the newer novels that came from increased experience in writing. I really enjoy it too.


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Yep, and everyone in the team improved dramatically really. The visual art is perhaps the most readily apparent leap in skill from the original that everyone can appreciate. Video games haven't really leaped ahead technologically in the past 20 years compared to the 90s, but the artists sure did improve with the vastly improving creative software.


Maybe I should try this out sometime. I saw someone compare the original games to fire emblem, and I've been in a bit of a fire memeblemy mood lately.



If you have experience in games like Fire Emblem you're going to find it easy, but at the same time I found it far more enjoyable. It has a difficulty setting, but I don't remember anything too extreme. It even has a Rewind button to go back multiple turns, as they really wanted people to get through it for the VN parts.
I really, really loved the combat, though. The way that the characters are unique and not just Warrior or Mage is really nice.
The attached video is a tutorial section meant to show you how different characters and stuff works and it shows you a little of what I mean by characters being unique. You may notice that it has visual cues on the screen, you're supposed to time button presses or releases to get extra damage or dodges and so on, like a rhythm game (or Mario RPGs)

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