No.90679
I use Gelbooru with a bunch of tags that I check and Pixiv for artists that I have found that I want to follow.
I did make a Twitter account a long time ago but it feels far too overwhelming for me and I was only following a handful of artists.
No.90680
I use neither to find new artists, I just find the source for what ever anonymous posts here.
No.90681
>>90679>but it feels far too overwhelmingYou know I actually kinda felt this same way about pixiv. I tend to follow a good amount of artists so either way I'd be flooded with art each day. However the way Twitter presents it is just in a single line that you can scroll down, while in pixiv there's a huge mountainous list of stuff to check (visually) that makes going through stuff feel more intimidating. Especially since I want to try and go through the recommend of good art of characters I like when I see them and end up wasting hours just checking through a character. While with twitter I don't really get thrown from page to page.
No.90682
I ran a Twitter bot and took part in a network which reposted hentai images and video. You can get a lot of streamlined content on Twitter as long as you're willing to confine your tastes to that of a channel. If you're following artists on Twitter then most of your feed would end up being updates on their food or melonbooks notices.
I'm not sure how you do it.
For Pixiv, I'm not much of a fan because Japan has bad search engines. I just use gelbooru nowadays
No.90685
>>90681Ahh, I should also note. The way that Pixiv shows things normally is bad. What I do is I go to my own profile, then click following and then it will show you every artist you follow in a neat line and you will easily see anything new they post so you could check multiple pages of artists in a minute or two.
No.90686
On Twitter I have to use UO to cut out the stuff like that section to the right that shows trending because it's always total gossip garbage with a lean on politics.
No.90689
Twitter compresses all images that are uploaded, which fucking sucks, and is also in general more of a nuisance both to browse and to save images than Pixiv. If an artist I really like exclusively posts content on Twitter then I'll check their page occasionally, but otherwise I tend to avoid it.
No.90690
>>90689This is pretty much my view. Twitter destroys media quality.
No.90692
>>90691>Have you seriously never scrolled down on an artwork pageYes, but a big problem is that once you've scrolled down an artwork page you open up 50 tabs that then lead to another dozen tabs each...
No.90693
>>90689I kinda wish it would have become the practice for, in addition to posting their pictures on twitter, artists to link to their drawings on pixiv as well so I don't need to search out the higher quality images...
No.90704
>>90691>There's also a lot of people that left in an boycott of Pixiv since they changed their TOS at some point that gave them rights to use artists art or something like that.Ah geez, seems like every user content driven website that gets big enough tries that. Why can't they just let artists be? No one is there for the site, it's the artists.
No.90721
>>90720umm... you can only be married to one waifu at a time
No.90723
You can't marry any at all apart from maybe Id*ls and Vt*bers because they are trollops.
No.90725
>>90723which vtumor would you marry
No.90728
>>90721You are not enough woke. In this new society, you can date as many people as you want.
No.90729
>>90724Do you mean the tag 'banned_artists' on Boorus? I was curious about that, is that tag used for artists banned from twitter?
No.90733
>>90729I'm pretty sure it has to do with twitter the overwhelming majority of the time. It's very common to find an image from twitter on boorus which isn't there anymore.
No.90741
>>90725I'd support Eilene's broke ass
No.90742
>>90729No, it's when the artist themselves ask the boorus to remove their works from the site, which is funny because I think boorus just hide it behind a paywall.
No.90744
>>90742That doesn't make sense. It's a reasonably big tag on gelbooru; 3101 and you can always find more of the artist's work there that have that tag sometimes. You'll also see it lining up with deleted twitter images a lot of times.
No.90749
>>90747Doesn't really explain my question.
No.90757
I think Pixiv is better, but it seems like a lot of artists don't upload to it very often and instead post stuff exclusively on Twitter. Pixiv also kind of sucks for finding new art I think. And it's slow. Twitter also sucks for having so much junk inbetween the art I want to see. And there's no way to view only posts by an account so I'm stuck scrolling through tons of retweets of art I'm not looking for. But it's much better for discovering new artists. I get most of my art from boorus because it's the easiest way to get the specific things I'm looking for, but those also suck for various reasons (gel has horrible tagging quality and gaps in content, dan has paywalls, everything else is really low on tags and has a fraction of what dan/gel have, some art never gets uploaded there from the source). All in all it sucks to try and find new art because there's nothing that combines all the good parts of all these sites.
No.90758
I think artists tend to use twitter more because it's easier to interact with people, and also because pixiv is seen more as a place for higher quality artwork and maybe as a place to archive twitter doodles if any.
No.91516
Is it just me or has the Twitter algorithm been really good lately? My entire home page has been full of nice art. It's like it knows exactly what I like.
No.91517
they're both terrible in their own ways
No.91644
>>90684Only rarely do I care about artists' personal lives, and when I do, it's usually complicated by how Twitter locks translation behind opening the Tweet in a new link. What the fuck do I do when someone posts their life story? I'm not going to click through all that.
Pixiv is perfect for just getting art.
No.91645
>>90692When you just find a character who's had a decadelong backlog of content this is a problem, yes, but even then it's a gift.
No.94479
>>94477I replaced Pixiv with Twitter ~4 years ago myself, every artist I liked was using it primarily and there's lots of cute doll posters too.
No.94971
On twitter it feels like 90% of the art posted by the artists themselves is just promo material, and censorship is even worse than on pixiv since twitter bans lolicon arbitrarily. I assume that people who use it for art already used it in the first place, or that they're here to interact with their favourite artists.
No.95063
Pixiv premium would be best but I mainly use Twitter so that I can better avoid distasteful images.
No.95077
>>95063How do you avoid things on Twitter, given they don't have tags? Wouldn't browsing via a booru, blacklisting anything you don't want to see, be much more effective?
No.95083
>>95077You can choose not to view NSFW images on twitter, and it'll work most of the time. Gelbooru is ok for searching but I seriously hope nobody uses a secondary source like it to follow the artists' works.
No.95094
Pixiv all the way, it's not even a question.
No.95095
Twitter all the way, it's not even a question.
No.95096
Boorus all the way, it's not even a question.
No.95113
I'm not sure, it's a pretty big question.
No.95114
To be or not to be, that is the question!
No.95123
>>95083If it's just a matter of blanket-filtering NSFW content, then there's a setting for that on Pixiv as well (plus the ability to filter it only on a particular search). I'd been thinking you meant filtering out more specific kinds of content, in which case neither is particularly viable.
No.101200
Twitter used to serve me lots of good anime pictures constantly, but the algorithm adapted and now it shows me way too many lewd pics and also lewd cosplayers instead of all the good art making up the majority of it.
at the same time, some of my favorite pixiv artists that i actually pay pig are moving to patreon because pixiv is planning to filter content in some way. and the pixiv desktop UI is rly bad and annoying to use and slow also
No.101201
>>101200>and the pixiv desktop UI is rly bad and annoying to use and slow alsoTrue. I don't use it to browse for art, I use Gelbooru for that.
But if I find artists worth following I follow them on Pixiv, it's annoying but if you go to your own profile and got to who you yourself follow then you will have all of them lined up fairly neat and nicely and will be easily able to see if they upload anything.
I forget how to get there, I think my directions are right but I just leave the page open.
No.101205
I think Twitter is broken. Twitter keeps just showing me the same posts over and over when I scroll on the timeline which makes the site very boring to comeback to so I only go on there once in awhile. Not to mention that I have to have a word blacklist or the site becomes unusable for art due to the mass amount of politcal posts and what not that are on there. I prefer a booru for looking at art its just way easier and less of a hassle.
No.101207
twitter is dead, japan will realize it soon and go back to giving out buisness cards and printouts
No.101211
>>101199Looks like it survived fine hardware-wise, although I have no idea how it actually went since I don't use it. I can't imagine there being any stress on it that would exceed something like the World Cup.
>>101207I don't think they'll ever give it up. This was 3 years ago, but their big Comiket celebration book had the twitter handle of every contributing artist at the end:
>>>/ec/10123 No.101213
>>101200>the pixiv desktop UI is rly bad and annoying to use and slow alsoCant you use mobile pixiv on desktop?
No.101214
opposite to what he's saying, I find the mobile UIs discovery feature is basically non existent and hidden behind multiple levels of interface
No.103307
>>103306Oh yeah, this also entails that places like Pixiv will need to pay twitter to connect themselves to its api. Which is a big point of contention for a lot of artists since it could potentially cut off artists connected to it via twitter from the site.
No.103311
>>103308yeah. it either means people will scrape webpages with bots or Twitter will put in a strong anti-bot system like Google forcing only humans to use the site(lol)
No.110453
>>110452I've seen a lot of people hyping up this new site
https://misskey-hub.net/en/Not sure if it can handle all of JP twitter traffick, but it seems promising being the most tweeted about on twitter it seems.
No.110456
>>110452Mastodon doesn't seem any better since it's designed based on Twitter. The only real benefit is that you can get away with posting content everywhere else will ban you for. My hope is that when Twitter dies it takes the format with it.
No.110457
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that mascot's such a shorty
No.110458
>>110457it looks like a koikatsu chara...>
No.110460
People are too addicted to it to let it go
No.110461
>>110460Actually it's probably easier than you think since this is such a major fuck-up and people have already had issues in the past around it.
No.110463
>>110461I was talking about the microblogging format
No.110550
>>110463Oh yeah, people are never going to give up on that. It seems like artists love to blog about everything in-between posting art so the format will be desirable for a long while until people get tired of it(which they won't).
No.110610
facebook is releasing their competitor very soon. Welcome to further centralization, just as you requested
No.110709
Phone autocorrect sometimes sucks...
No.110712
>>110711Mastodon isnt gonna be widespread because of the passive aggressive way they de-federate with each-other
No.110713
Its easier to harass people on Mastodon too. Will Wheaton famously got bullied off of it
No.110714
>>110713With like a billion alts or something?
No.110722
oh wait... what the hell... this is not the actual application... Meta picked the name of a product already getting SEO results
No.110723
blehhhh it's only a phone app
No.110724
>>110721>not a social app from Instagramstill unable to read i see
No.110725
i'm getting rate limited from setting up an instagram account. what the hell
No.110730
>>110729I dont think either the communists or FLOSS diehards will like that.
No.110731
Just use Weibo lol
No.110732
Doesn't look like anyone has uploaded videos of people being killed like they do on Twitter(war footage) so I wonder if they're being strict about moderating that sort of stuff or if no one from that side of the OSINT crowd has gone there. Has a few war journalists posting about news though. Maybe more will show up when it's a desktop application as well.
I'll be more interested when I don't have to interface with the platform through my phone
No.110737
>>110733With Invidious possibly being in dangerous and this... I think somethings gonna come to a head regarding FOSS vs Big Tech.
No.110738
Meta has some FOSS software, but not the platforms. Most devs in big tech open source their tools.
No.110749
>>110733They can block threads
No.110753
>>110728They are the same insofar as they're both blogs, but the absence of retweets changes the game considerably. Wouldn't call it feelgood though, it gives girls anorexia.
No.110755
>>110753>anorexiaOr has the opposite effect and get dangerous surgery to get "curves".
No.110758
>>110753>Wouldn't call it feelgood though, it gives girls anorexia.Those aren't really mutually exclusive. Chasing praise can be just as destructive as fleeing criticism.
No.110767
>>110766It is. It's tied in with Whatsapp too
No.111594
I'm waiting on this to be revealed as a prank:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/twitter-rebrands-x-elon-musk-loses-iconic-bird-logo-rcna95880Twitter is being rebranded as "X", which apparently he also wanted to rename Paypal as 20 years ago but was overruled. There's no way this can be a serious thing, right?
It's such a huge recognizable logo and it became so popular that most people will think of "tweeting" referring to the internet instead of a sound that birds make.
No.111595
>>111594The most hilarious thing that has already been joked about to death is how twitter videos will now be "xvideos"
No.111604
>>110733Fediverse is already full of activists, they're just the kind who advocate for things that aren't socially acceptable.
No.111639
>>111604Yeah, most people don't notice because they are not federized with activist-y instances. There are some odd birds on it, it's not just pawoo, the 8/a/ one and shitposter.club.
No.111660
>>111659Well it has the same exact problems as twitter with none of the upside of an existing userbase
No.111661
it's as dead as pawoo. Also no desktop app.
when it gets a desktop app I'll consider it.
No.111705
>>111594I hope this kills Twitter so that Japanese artists use other sites like Pixiv more.
Though it's just a logo so it probably won't.
No.111706
>>111594>>111600Imo he should've just partnered with WeChat and absorbed Twitter into that as WeChat US or whatever
No.111738
I've been seeing a gradual uptick in artists posting links to their misskey but still far from a critical mass.
No.111739
It's never gonna get widespread.
No.111740
when asking if it matters to have a place on a big website, you have to first ask what's the purpose of your social media in the first place?
Outreach? Blogging? Monetization?
How does Twitter or Threads or whatever support someone's goals?
We tend to think that everyone has to go to the biggest place, but you're not a youtube video creator trying to get the highest reach, you're an artist trying to give extra content to your fans
No.111745
>>111740Outreach is surely the biggest one. If you don't share on one (or more) of the large platforms then you're unlikely to get fans in the first place. Plus, most fans aren't going to bother regularly browsing a platform solely to look at your art, so it makes sense to post somewhere that people will visit regardless.
No.111746
>>111705I remember hearing peko talk not too long ago about feeling like twitter was unstable with the logo change, seems like they are starting to get turned off of it.
No.111747
>>111745Kinda depends. I see a lot of artists use it for content updates, so yeah advertising, but often they just blog about food
No.111748
And also artists are rarely pure digital. Most of their popularity comes from personal interaction
No.113882
Sometimes I imagine Elon staring at his computer screen, seeing twitter, and just screaming at it "WHY WON'T YOU DIE"
https://www.pcmag.com/news/pay-to-post-elon-musk-floats-idea-of-charging-to-tweet No.113914
>>113882sometimes I can't help but wonder if he had an agreement with Jack Dorsey or owes him something.
No.117753
>>117742Is this related at all to why Pixiv was so slow for me when I used it about 8 hours ago?
No other sites seemed to load images in so slowly.
No.117754
>>117742I've got mine set to Australia and nothing appears blocked for me.
No.117757
>>117754I thought so in the US too but set it to Japan and try it again.
If its for the US only this screams of ESG and payment processors as usual.
No.117764
>>117753I had that same problem earlier this month.
No.117807
>>117742Italy banned loli apparently and some other countries do, but they didn't do anything before so maybe it's something else
No.117812
>>117807>Italy banned lolithis is fascism
No.117825
>>117807>Italy banned loliFake news
No.117840
Does anyone else remember that Orange Bar article about mastodon being popular in Japan for a very 'uncomfortable reason' (read: lolicon) and the top posts were either saying anglos had to get over their cultural biases in technology and dancing around what lolicon was, one user describing it as a 'very nerdy thing to be into in Japan'.
Am I misremembering?
The contrast from regular social media comments was stark, and if I am not misremembering, well, there's another feather in your cap that most people interested in technology are also weebs to some degree.
No.117842
I can't remember where I read it, but I did read something similar about Mastadon's sudden growing pains and the culture of it. From what I can remember (this was like 3 years ago?), Pawoo, Pixiv's instance, quickly became the dominant Japanese one and it never really had issues remaining isolated from zealous Westerners doing their social media slacktivism thing. The main friction was, of course, on the English side of things when new people were expecting everyone leaving twitter in protest to have the same views and interests as the people already on Mastodon by choice. I don't think there was any major conflict, however.
From what I understand, these days people are happily isolated from each other on the English side as well, which is how it was supposed to be, with hardcore pornographic stuff (including loli) being in some places and annoying political warriors in other areas.
I don't use it, but I think the "at least it's not twitter" people lost interest in mastodon and want something with more clout, so the future looks decent enough for mastodon. Who knows, maybe it will one day be the go-to art sharing platform since this stuff is so messy.
No.117843
>>117842They leave most alternatives when they realize most have smaller audiences and in Mastodon's case a highly subcultural one
No.117844
>>117843Not sure about this, Misskey is written by a Japanese programmer and it's now becoming popular enough among artists that a Japanese mainstream media did an interview with Misskey's creator (who appeared with pseudonym behind a live2d avatar)
No.117845
>>117842>hardcore pornographic stuff (including loli) being in some places and annoying political warriorsSee, the thing is that these aren't really different groups of people. And that's pretty much why they're on a federated service instead of Twitter or 4chan.
No.117847
>>117845They are on 4chan and Twitter.
No.117848
>>117847The latter more than the former actually, they're a rare site outside of series threads, /trash/ and /b/
No.117849
>>117844>MisskeyOh, I forgot about that one. Yeah, that one seems pretty great, but another thing I'm not going to sign up for. I remember seeing a very animated page of it which looked exciting, but social media just isn't for me. I looked it up and apparently it can connect to mastadon instances, so that's neat.
I hope this or mastodon or something else can serve artists well in the future.
No.119524
>>117849The fediverse is full of the bad kind of weirdo who puts 'content warnings' for like two line posts. I don't know why this is advertised as a pro
No.119525
Mastodon just comes off like a honeypot to me
No.119526
>>119525A lot of the instances are honeypots or are ran by incompetent fools (think there was an incident two years ago where someone used a minecraft mod that was actually a keylogger/scraped all the passwords on the computer, owner of I believe it was called the chudbuds?)
No.119528
>>119526there was a /qa/ thread peripherally about it
No.119529
Anything that extremists flock to (both sides of the spectrum, as you see with the fediverse) I assume to be a honeypot.
I hate how the open-source software movement has made people think that something that is run as a community effort is automatically safe to use, Telegram is a good example of this too
No.119530
This is NOT me trying to start a discussion about opsec, by the way! It's just that drop-in replacements for social media don't really work either because of malice, incompetence or in the case of Lemmy when redditors had a collective pants shitting, because people do not think how much it costs to host and moderate a mass of users.
If something replaces X (it wont be wayland, sorry I had to)/twitter I really doubt it will be a federated, community-run affair. Things like Debian and Blender don't happen with social media.
No.119544
>>119530I think a lot of users are just interested in having servers that won't ban them for the stuff they want to post constantly like Twitter does. Fedi does have the issue of entire instances going down due to the aforementioned cost and incompetence, but they also get replaced easily and you know what the admin and community are okay with you posting. It's not all that different from people moving from 4chan to altchans.
No.119547
>>119546>I imagine someone wearing discount tactical gear in their room while their little sister is knocking on the door telling them that mom finished making dinner.eroi
No.119548
>>119546Honeypot not in the government sense, more in the 'the guy running this is doing it to run a botnet/harvest data/etc".
No.119549
>>119546I imagine people living in countries where art is illegal and big brother is always watching.
And I'd argue that if you follow someone on a blogging site, you are implicitly saying that you want to see their food and cat pics. If you just wanted art, you'd be on Pixiv, DeviantArt, or boorus instead.
No.119550
>>119549no
dumb artards post exclusive art on gay social blog sites
No.119553
>>119547imouto domming a very frustrated tacticool mall ninja
>>119546yeah the lack of easily searchable tags that other blogs have is really the worst part about twitter in terms of browsing
never see anyone using hashtags
but it does make sense for artists to put everything in one basket since they'll get more followers anyways and more endorphins from the postive interactions of those who do engage with the other stuff
No.122558
So... Visa and Mastercard access was suspended on DLSite. Pretty crazy.
No.122559
People rap on crypto. But it's legitimately the only way to actually have control over your money for foreign transactions
No.122560
>>122558a powerful move against
>>122357 No.122561
>>122560https://bitcash.org/ I'll buy my porn with monero
No.122563
>>122561driven to the dark recesses of society for the sake of games about suspicious men screwing other people's women
No.122564
>>122562It's actually a time old tradition. It stems a bit from abuse of stolen cards and a bit of CEOs trying to push morals on others
No.122566
>>122558>Visa and MastercardIrrelevant. JCB and cashless payments still work, so there is near zero effect in Japan.
No.122567
>>122566> in Japan.I don't live in Japan
No.122568
I was just in the comment section of a guy in ci-en who has a lot of talent but his day job is a Systems Engineer which takes up most of his time. If he had better market he could make it full time.
That's the reality of Visa/Mastercard bans. That guy makes worse games and others don't make them at all
No.122569
>>122559I mostly gripe on crypto for the community pushing more for scams and get rich quick schemes over actually trying to make the use of it more mainstream so that we can overcome the tyranny of payment processors. I feel like everything surrounding it has created a terrible image that makes most sites not want to accept crypto for some dumb reason or another.
No.122570
>>122568Oversea market for doujin stuffs is negligible (hardcore otaku only, everyone else pirates) compared to domestic market.
No.122571
>>122570Overseas is 10%.
China is another 25%
you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about
No.122572
Hell, I'd say the Chinese market is under 50% on some creators
No.122575
>>122571>10%Rounding error.
>China is another 25%You have no idea how Chinese pay for these things (protip: not Visa and Mastercard)
>>122573>>122574What's the point? YOU are a rounding error, period.
No.122576
>>122558>>122568I only see this accelerating the trend of Japanese eroge devs releasing their games on Steam. Which is a good thing for the Devs themselves if they do it as it's a much bigger market.
I have mixed feelings about it's impact on the games themselves though, but then
>>122064 did manage to get through(however I never played the steam release so I'm not sure if they changed it or not).
No.122577
>>122575I got it dude. 12,000$ is nothing to you. You must be fucking rich
No.122578
>>122577Insignificant compared to the other $120,000 from other markets. 10% is probably less than the tax charged.
No.122579
>>122578Do you even have a job?
No.122580
>>122579Yes, one which requires advanced degree.
btw $12,000 is like nothing nowadays, too much for a NEET yet too little to do anything useful with it.
No.122581
dumb argumentative shitposter.
No.122582
>>122580You're so delusional.
>>122581Bad thread for this
No.122583
>>122580YOU WOULD GIVE UP A FREE CAR WITH NO LOANS!
No.122585
... and bumping this thread so it's visible (moved posts don't bump)
No.122587
oh my god, you are so fucking stupid just because you want to defend the idea that your monitary contribution to an industry is pointless
No.122588
Your argument is based in no logical fact other than how you want to defend that you pirate your entertainment despite apparently making 6 figures
No.122589
If you're making 6 figures and think 12,000 is nothing. Go ahead and buy Kissu a server. I will pick it out for you and give you my address.
No.122591
>>122590Because that's where there's a lot of datacenters and you can get some good hosting in the desert through nuclear power prices, easy to dump heat into a dry desert and government subsadies
No.122603
>>122576It puts all their products at the mercy of a single American company.
Regardless of what their current policies are, you have to plan ahead for what their policies might be by the time you want to sell your game, and those policies might be mandated by American law.
This is not to say that either valve or the USA are evil. But whenever you thread a significant portion of your media through a single such outlet, the consequences will be visible.
No.122604
>>122578Let me just point out that profit is usually the result of a subtraction.
To visualize:
Revenue
-Costs
------
Profit
If you think that ~10% of your total revenue is meaningless, for most companies, such a percentage may very easily be greater than the actual profit. The majority of companies do not have profit margins in excess of 10%.
This is not a rounding error unless you are a terrible businessman.
No.122607
>>122576>I only see this accelerating the trend of Japanese eroge devs releasing their games on Steam. Which is a good thing for the Devs themselves if they do it as it's a much bigger marketMore western censorship. It's a horrible thing for everyone.
No.122608
>>122607You talk like this as if anyone who draws lolicon is actually a good artist and not just coasting off of an easy to market niche.
No.122610
Meanwhile your dumb take is forcing artists to release their games behind the worst mosaicing that destroys their art
No.122613
>>122612
yeah and that's the end of the list
No.122614
Don't delete your mistakes, I will see them
No.122615
I can pick about 5-8 lolicon artists who actually have tallent and the rest are just pure garbage. Then the ones that sell on DLSite charge 2x the cost of normal content
No.122616
>>122608>is actually a good artistnigger what?
¥Kinomoto Anzu¥Henreader¥Tanabe Kyou¥Rustle¥Higashiyama Show¥Onizuka Naoshi¥Quzilax¥Fuyutugu¥Hikoma Hiroyuki¥Tsubaki Jushirou¥Atte Nanakusa¥MUK¥Satuyo¥HaguhaguThis is just going off of h-manga I could distinctly remember and it took me a bit because I forgot the names of some of them. If I went through my art folders I'd certainly find more.
No.122620
also was debating whether to include ichihaya and sakamata nerimono but they probably deserve to be noted for their style
No.122622
forgot Sabaku too yoruko is amazing...
No.123668
This is another reminder to set your location to Japan on pixiv. Loli tags had already been blocked for people with a location set in in US/UK and other countries and now it's extending to other R18 stuff. This text looks like a boilerplate thing that companies like Patreon must comply with to not be erased by the almighty credit card monopolies:
https://www.pixiv.net/info.php?id=10830https://pixiv1.app.box.com/s/6uq41xs25m092e6co1vor3r98kr4embvI think a lot of this could have been avoided if pixiv and others would haven taken a stand against realistic AI stuff and the illegal stuff that happens in its comments, or AI in general since it's what opened the floodgates to all this stuff.
There really needs to be some sort of solution to this so people can still enjoy ero 2D stuff since a foul wind has only intensified...
No.123669
>>123668The solution would be for the western world to give up on regulating fictional pornography since nobody is physically affected by its existence. It's not Japan that needs to change for draconian laws.
No.123671
>>123670In that case artists and the wider world in general should really try to start making crypto payments a reality since then we'd no longer be constrained to the ridiculous demands of card processing companies.
No.123672
>>123668Is it even feasible to take a stand against all AI art in general? Feels impossible if people just remove the metadata from their stuff that gives away it being AI. Either way just another case of Japan splitting its net further from foreigners because of their annoying nature. Eventually we'll be back to when the jp and en web were mostly separated again.
No.124448
>>119523Twitter and friends are hard because they throttle requests and will hide stuff on a timeline on purpose if they notice you doing it. Does gallery-dl support twitter yet? Been awhile since I used it.
I've been trying to set-up a website for years where Japanese artists and English fans could interact without the fear of censorship. I should really get off my ass and do it. I would love to get doujin creators from both Japan and America on the same website.
No.124449
>>124448It sounds like a great idea but Misskey originally was kinda like this, but what they found is that westerners have too many bad apples to merge the two communities and that it's easier to just keep them separate.
No.124451
>>124449What I wanted to do was keep out _those types_ by keeping the place kind of low-key. Only creators would be allowed to make accounts to post content to the galleries. Then slowly allow users in at first. Make it exclusive like gmail and facebook were in the early days. Then once you build a culture of kindness you start to open up and test the waters with outsiders. But if they don't conform you get rid of them.
Before I die I want to see the nice western otaku and content creators and the doujin circles in Japan interact more together. I think we could make amazing things together if we combined forces. Plus both sides already want to learn the other sides language. So it would be very helpful for everyone involved if they could practice both in text and voice chat.
Finally, it would allow western fans to directly donate to doujin creators in Japan without all of the usual hoops. I know things like fanbox exist. But what we really need is a way to pay them directly through a platform the community itself controls.
Imagine if we had doujin circles in the west. They basically don't exist. Almost no one is willing to create content and share it for free any longer in places like America.
No.124452
>>124451It would probably need to be reliant upon an invite system. Maybe something like private torrent communities in which the the inviting person bears a responsibility and penalty for violations done by anyone they invite. You'd need very active moderators that cull any of the activist stuff the second it crops up and issue instant account deletions for it. The free and open internet really isn't ideal in this situation when you're dealing with higher status people that brigade and bully with a misguided sense of justice behind them. They unfortunately have the power.
I think you could also just design it to function like an old forum or imageboard and that would filter out a lot of people that simply don't want to use something that isn't a twitter clone. This isn't an age thing as there's lots of young people on places like f95 and even newgrounds. I really don't understand why there's like 20 twitter clones when the format is terrible for anything that isn't sharing pics of food.
As kind of interesting as it has been to see the internet grow over the decades, forcing different communities to share the same sites has really lead to some terrible interactions. You really do need to protect artists and weirdos by shielding them from the rest of humanity through obscurity.
No.124455
>>124451The west does have a lot of doujin creator type people that make things for free, they just seem to make games instead of comics. F-95 zone has a lot of games from them and some of the game developers post on the site too.
No.124459
>>124452I agree with most everything you said. I've been here to watch it grow and chance. It's really changed for the worse. I don't understand the tiwtter clones myself. The problem with moderation is finding good ones. Those people you speak of are always the firs to apply. They act sane for a bit then they go crazy and kill the community from the inside. Seen it happen far too often.
>>124455We used to have a lot of "doujin" software but now it seems like things are going behind a paywall. What I really miss are western artists that did animated shorts. A lot of them were really talented. Now you rarely hear from them at all.
I wrote a long post some where else about how I want to run/manage/start such a community. Perhaps we could discuss this there if you'd like to talk some more about it.
No.124588
I decided to look at the booru side of things. Some software/service thing (booru.org) that a lot of smaller boorus use (and even gelbooru) has been on the downturn for years now. To my disappointment the guy actually closed it to new applications years ago. I decided to see if there's any news in regards to this and this seems like the guy's disinterest is even lower than it used to be. It took a month for him to reply to a thread about tag searching not working:
https://forum.booru.org/viewtopic.php?t=14193With it "winding down" I wonder what this could mean for every booru that relies on it. I've seen many websites die over the years from admins that have long since lost interest and it makes me wonder what's going to happen. Gelbooru will manage I'm sure, but what about all the smaller stuff?
On a side note it's kind of disappointing to see people that used to be so passionate about this stuff just mentally check out and no longer care, but I guess that's a subject for another day.
No.124658
>>124452>I really don't understand why there's like 20 twitter clones when the format is terrible for anything that isn't sharing pics of food.Are you counting by URLs? Most of those are mastodon instances
No.124672
>>124588The upside to this is I wrote some software over two decades ago now that's still chugging along fine and being used by lots of websites (it's written in PHP). So most likely someone will pick it up when it gets too unbearable and the bugs too annoying.
A lot of it isn't a lack of passion. It's a lack of time combined with the fact that it's becoming nearly impossible to host certain content on the internet these days without being harassed, doxed and ddos'd. I went through that over the last few years myself. I'd still have a couple of places online if I could keep them up without constant waves of pizza spam and bot spam. A long with people with nothing better to do than devote their lives to trying to take them down. I burned through multiple hosts in just 6 months due to harassment simply because I allowed people to have a home when others wouldn't. I don't understand why it's so hard for people to simply ignore sections of a website they don't like.
I even had people sign up to be mods that would wait until they knew I was asleep before causing a bunch of drama with the goal of running other users off. It's really sad. Of course these people never build anything of their own. They only destroy what others provide for free.
Which is why if I do something again (assuming I can raise the funds) it's going behind an LLC and going to be some kind of invite-only place (at least at first). My pipe dream goal is to run a place with creators can upload any content they want without fear of censorship and users could donate/pay them directly without worrying about the funds going missing or the banks cutting the creators off due to nature of the content.
I _really_ think it's about time we had a place where the Japanese and English users can interact directly when they want. It doesn't make sense to keep them separated when so many on both sides are interested in learning the other side's language (or already know it). Plus I don't see the point in Japanese creators going through these distro channels like CR and others. Which only ruin the content or censor it. When they could just sell directly to English users.
Imagine if a mangaka could post his/her work on a place with no censorship then share some of their donations with the English community to do a proper translation within a few days/week. We're already doing it for free for a lot of titles anyway.
No.126932
>>126930Bluesky was made by the former twitter CEO who is himself politically activist-y and it attracted other political-minded people so I wouldn't count on it to be good for anything fun or interesting. Definitely not something for hobbyists, just like twitter or instagram and pretty much everything else. It's a twitter clone through and through so it will operate like one.
I'm kind of surprised Zankuro tried, since I assume he's someone that deals with similar stuff on twitter. I wonder why mastadon isn't more popular, they do have their own Japanese instances (and misskey like you said).
No.130309
e621 (the major furry booru) just did a complete purge of all "young humanoid" stuff.
https://e621.net/forum_topics/45501That's a bunch of Pokemon and kemono stuff wiped out I'm sure.
No.130310
>>130309>It's wishy washy because it's the best we can offer. There is no single law we can point to as the tipping point, and while we were sitting pretty unaffected by most things, the same can't be said to a bunch of our business partners who did not appreciate the heat we attract.>And since we can't function in a vacuum we have had to adjust.So it's not any new laws or anything, just business ties that would be soured having that stuff up. Well that's disappointing but at least Gelbooru has any content I could want so losing stuff on e621 isn't much.
No.130322
>>130310Translation: We don't care about the community and we just want to make money. So we're going to abuse the community as much as we can get away with and bow down to whatever advertiser is willing to shill products on our borderline porn website.
Same attitude that is killing the rest of the internet.
No.132143
The owner of FurAffinity died. That's not my kind of thing, but it that's one of the original big furry sites so hopefully it will still manage to do its thing without him.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10923887 No.132147
I will keep using boorus and Pixiv. I hate Twitter.
No.132150
I gave up on Twitter completely a few months ago.
Everything I get now is from Pixiv and boorus.
I miss a lot of artists (a ton have Pixiv accounts and haven't posted to them in like 4 years), but fuck it.
No.132159
>>132150i was trying to look up >>>/jp/79161's author yesterday and his work has barely been uploaded to danbooru so i had to use nitter i really wish i could upload the pics...
No.132171
>>132150You may need to just work with Nitter or something like that and list out some artists that you often miss but want to see more of.
No.132176
>>132171I found a nitter instance that works!
Everything kept saying that Nitter stopped working a while ago while I was searching around, but this one works.
https://nitter.poast.org/c170904919god, I love this guy's work
No.135426
>>135424"""Artists""" are a bunch of whinny faggots that can't cope with the fact that the average joe can generate something for themselves so they have to resort to this gay shit. Fuck them.
No sympy for these people.
No.135428
>>135424That sucks, but it's their fault for still being on twitter to begin with after the AI scraping news. Artists can't win in this situation, though, someone would just edit that text out so there's no reason to deface your own art. It basically just makes it uglier for no gain. You'd need to put the text over most of the image and change the lines and do a whole bunch of other stuff to make it look truly abhorrent.
>>135426Don't bring the 4chan contrarianism towards artists here. It's one of the most retarded things among all the retarded things people do these days.
No.135431
>>135428>Don't bring the 4chan contrarianism towards artists hereThe fuck are you on about, I don't browse 4chan. All I'm saying is that I have no sympy for these whinny faggots who CHOOSE to upload their images on a website that scrapes data. It's their own goddamn fault. Fuck them.
No.135435
>>135433Someone else can, I was just illustrating an example.
Something else I noticed was that
some of the artists are self aware about the anti-AI glazing. Lazy translation, too lazy to typeset…
>東方４コマ「ウォーターマーク御札」Touhou 4koma「Watermark Amulet」
>無断転載OKですUnauthorized reproduction OK.
>よう霊夢、なにやってんだ？Yo Reimu, what are you doing?
>これで生計を立てようと思ってねI'm trying to make a living at this.
>ああ、これお前が投げてたやつだなAh, this is the one you were throwing.
>お札に自分載せろとかナルシストなのか？Putting yourself on the ofuda, are you a narcissist?
>うるさいわねShut up.
>お？なんか見たこと無いのが売ってるなOh? There's something I've never seen before.
>時代のニーズに合わせたのよWe've adapted to the needs of the times.
>ちゃんと貼ると効果もあってね>AI学習を防止する結界張られるのよIt works if you put it on properly, because it puts up wards to prevent AI learning.
>え？ああ…Eh? Ah...
>AIってなに？What is AI?
No.135436
>>135435Heh, that's pretty good. (and thanks for the translation).
There was that time at the very beginning when there were AI-derived jokes like the rainbow penis that artists drew themselves, but things have advanced a bit too far to see fun errors like that, really. Well, generally.
No.135516
looks like bluesky's pop is going up by the millions, enough for a norp i know to send me links to it
aaaaaand there's drama over loli already
https://www.platformer.news/bluesky-growth-content-moderation-trust-safety-interview/>Aaron Rodericks didn’t know what he was looking at.>A post on Bluesky featured a sexualized image of a dragon that shared visual similarities with a human child. It had been reported to the company as a potential violation of the network’s community guidelines, and now it was being reviewed by Bluesky’s head of trust and safety.>The guidelines ban CSAM, which is illegal to distribute. They say nothing, though, about anthropomorphic dragons. And the artist claimed that the dragon in question was 9,000 years old. No.135517
>>135516>And the artist claimed that the dragon in question was 9,000 years old.A sound and reasonable argument.