Recently I have a feeling that the contents on /qa/ is drifting farther away from my taste. Rather than simply bickering about it, I think it's best to provide objective data so that everyone can see how /qa/ has changed.
Now, pic related is the contents of /qa/ categorized by me, for first 5 pages in bump order (recent activity) and rest rest of pages (past activity). The categories represents different topics on /qa/ (colored to my personal preference):
Act off-board: invite /qa/ to do something together off-site, like for gaming or anime stream etc
2D media: any discussion of Japanese 2D contents (mostly anime though, which I personally don't like to discuss)
General media: any discussion of games or other media that is not Japanese 2D contents
General QA: general random questions and answers discussion
Creative: draw/writing/music/program creation, DIY, image editing
/jp/ like: things that normally go on /jp/ after split
Internet: discussion about internet culture, websites
Meta: discussion about imageboard posting/moderation, site issues
Others/news/blog: Anything that is not above, mostly news and blog
From the statistics, we can see the categories have relatively changed activities recently:
Large increase: Act off-board, General media
Some increase: 2D media, /jp/ like, Internet, Others/news/blog
Some decrease: General QA
Large decrease: Creative, Meta
Clearly, the categories that have decreased activity are mostly my favorite, or I consider an integral part of /qa/ (Meta discussions). The most saddening part is that the creativity on /qa/ just suddenly disappeared. The Meta discussions also suddenly disappeared around the same time. The question is that, what happened? Why did this happen?
Meanwhile, the categories with large increase includes "Act off-board", which itself can be good if occasionally used, but I feel that it's sapping out the activity on /qa/ in some fashion.
Also, I want to mention that /jp/ is becoming increasingly fast and outpacing /qa/, which makes the whole site (/all/) more /jp/ like. For the last 10 pages of threads created, /qa/ took 3 months, while /jp/ took only 1.5 months. But most importantly, I feel that the "/jp/ like" contents on /qa/ before the /jp/ split has far less portion, so the split strongly encouraged /jp/ like contents to be posted and changing the balance of contents on the whole site to be less of my like. I also fell about the mentality from other /jp/ spinoffs is increasing presence on /qa/ because of this.
For the meta portion, I think most people eventually started to get tired of the constant meta bickering that'd take place in more debate-like meta threads and silently agreed to reduce the prevalence of them. Though maybe it's a bad pendulum reaction, I think less meta is better than a lot of bad meta. Though I guess the portion you sectioned off for internet mostly reflects what I think to be good meta, and that hasn't increased either, maybe as a result of the hard shift away from meta in general.
Not sure what's effecting creative threads though, maybe we've exhausted a fair bit of what you'd classify as creative and people don't generally bump stuff that's been unbumped for a while.
Oh internet did increase a bit, nevermind.
the numbers are kinda low and kissu is still relatively small when community size is considered. It would only take 1-3 active posters to stop or decrease/change their activity for the change seen to occur. And the other thing to consider in respect to the general QA, is that with such a small community it's possible that the in-common, general QA topics have been discussed enough and that enough time hasn't passed for the topic to be considered discussable by the community. This could also apply to the internet topics as well. It may be that kissu is too diverse outside of what are becoming the core topics.
oh my god. Didn't we have someone a month ago complaining that there was too much meta.
>The question is that, what happened? Why did this happen?
Creative endeavors require inspiration, and some amount of talent. Needless to say, not everyone is talented or feels comfortable showing off their work, and it's also pretty hard to be inspired all the time. Being relatively small, it's hard for creative threads to not
be a rather infrequent, or even rare thing. There's also the matter of aligning interests: perhaps someone does make a creative thread, but not many people are interested for whatever reason; this can be rather discouraging so it might make the OP more hesitant to make a thread if they think it won't see much activity anyways. Furthermore, a lot of the activity on Kissu is reactionary, rather than proactive. It's not necessarily that people are disinterested in posting, but that everyone is caught in a sort of bystander effect syndrome where no one takes the first step towards doing something; this was pretty well illustrated by the OVA streaming thread (>>69787
was right). Everyone agreed that it would be nice to do sometime, but ultimately nothing came out of it until nearly 2 months later!
Certainly, I think, some of this posting hesitancy can be attributed to the relative temperaments of /qa/ and /jp/. /jp/ tends to foster more of "post, don't think" attitude, whereas /qa/ is just about the polar opposite: constantly thinking, but never taking the first step in posting. By your noting that, "For the last 10 pages of threads created, /qa/ took 3 months, while /jp/ took only 1.5 months," it seems clear to me that something like this bears out in peoples' minds when making threads and thinking about the kinds of threads that are appropriate when posting on /qa/ as compared to /jp/.
That's all the meta thoughts I have. I don't mind how /qa/ is right now, but I've been making a bunch of threads anyways so maybe I'm part of the problem you have with /qa/'s current direction...
Another disconnection comes from the fact that the portion or General QA threads compared to 2D media threads, the 2 largest categories. It went from 1:1.35 to 1:2.21 recently. General QA threads is the type which I create and participate in the most, so that's where the feeling is coming from. >>73261>people don't generally bump stuff that's been unbumped for a while.
That occasionally happens though, the important observation is that when being bumped, the thread can get extra activity or not. This usually happens to 2D media threads, and used to be the case for creative threads, but no longer true now.
Take this thread as an example:>>>/qa/66481
The thread is bumped occasionally, and it usually gets some more activity after being bumped; but not for the most recent time.
can't you guys ever calm down and appreciate things for what they are?
Nobody here is going crazy or making a scene, you probably need to calm down.
You give people the world and then they want the moon. The never ending greed of people who want things to suit their taste and ignore what other people want to make. Very cool graph, but people make what people want and clearly people want something you don't.
I'm not making any demands here. I'm simply presenting data and having some subjective opinions about it. Anyone can take the data as-is, conclude their own opinions, and potentially change the posting behavior according to their own personal tastes. You are the only one who is being personal here: neither >>73268
are me (OP), and don't know what makes a meta thread to become a shitshow and what does not.
I said "I'm not making any demands here. I'm simply presenting data and having some subjective opinions about it." What you quoted is my subjective opinion, and you don't have to take it personally.
Learn how to contribute to the thread constructively like some other posters in this thread did.
if your opening post isn't a call to action i don't know what is.
Just to clarify my intentions, I'm pointing you out at using statistics to create a claim that /qa/ is shitty when that's entirely subjective and what exists in higher quanitity is what people want to see.
He outright said it was subjective multiple times though. Chill dude.
Well, I think not everyone creates a thread on /qa/ purely based on their intentions; what another poster said "a lot of the activity on Kissu is reactionary, rather than proactive" is a part of reason here: recent threads on board can heavily influence the posting motivation, and can result in posters who are interested in the recent topics to stay more and make more threads. What puzzles me is that how these happened so suddenly in the past 5 pages, roughly from 1 month ago, instead of gradually.
Alright, whatever. Argue about things being worse off than they could be and start a big infight over what kind of culture inside of /qa/ is superior to others.
Man, i love budding tribalism it's exactly what anonymous imageboards were made for
The hell are you on about?
the triablism that emerges from meta threads and the self destructive infighting that comes from complaining about certain types of content.
The meta topic against meta threads
A month is actually a fairly long time.
Sorry, should've clarified it's a point about a month ago. It seems that the pattern changed suddenly at page 5 and remained somewhat stable afterwards.
I hate meta threads.
I don't know what to tell you. People are free to make the threads they want and recently they haven't made threads that you
are personally interested in. Maybe some people are back to work or school. Maybe they want to talk about anime and not meta this month. They haven't done anything wrong.
The only solution I can offer to you is to make the threads you're interested in. I've said it before but I really want to stress it: this is a community and not a content aggregate. It will only contain things that the people have put into it. I don't see anything that needs fixing, or rather it's not something that even could be fixed.Ask not what Kissu can do for you, ask what you can do for Kissu!
I'll address a few things in the OP, however:
>The most saddening part is that the creativity on /qa/ just suddenly disappeared.
As someone else already said, creativity is very fickle. It requires inspiration and it's not something you can just tell people to post. However, it's worth noting that artists themselves pay a price for their gift and are prone to instability. I think a couple of artists might have left (or stopped posting art), but that's ultimately just another day on the internet. Think of the art images on kissu disappearing the way you would a pixiv artist wiping his account for the 10th time and maybe it will be easier to understand.
>The Meta discussions also suddenly disappeared around the same time.
Did it? I don't think it's related, if that's what you're thinking. Although, some of the meta was related to aforementioned artists...
>Also, I want to mention that /jp/ is becoming increasingly fast and outpacing /qa/, which makes the whole site (/all/) more /jp/ like.
This is definitely working the way it should be. /jp/ is a good place for stupid threads so you don't feel bad about displacing a serious one on /qa/. It's true that this means /jp/ flavors the front page more, but changing that would be changing the chronological nature of imageboards.
>I also fell about the mentality from other /jp/ spinoffs is increasing presence on /qa/ because of this.
I think the negatives of this are pretty rare and easily outweighed by the benefits of more good posts overall, and that's what I've been seeing on kissu lately. There's no danger of this place turning into gnfos or whatever as malicious actions won't be tolerated, rest assured, but I also have faith in people to ignore an occasional disagreeable post.
All in all, I don't see anything bad going on. Kissu is doing great.
I was simply describing a phenomenon in that post, which can partly describe what could be the reason what is going on. Whether that phenomenon is the reason or not is not related to my personal opinion. I'm just pointing out that I'm not the only one whose posting intention is partly reactionary, and I'm not the only cause of the change in topic distribution.
>Ask not what Kissu can do for you, ask what you can do for Kissu!
I addressed this in my first reply. I do make threads here, so I already did my part. I just don't think I'm in place of changing the atmosphere here. Discussion is multi-party, and I will simply stop making threads if my thread stopped generating discussions. Or simply because similar threads made by others stopped generating discussions.
>I think a couple of artists might have left (or stopped posting art), but that's ultimately just another day on the internet.
That's the problem: it's not one, but multiple, or even most of them according to the data.
>I don't think it's related, if that's what you're thinking.
No, not my thinking.
>All in all, I don't see anything bad going on. Kissu is doing great.
I thought I already made it clear enough that my opinion has no extra weight here. Whether someone thinks Kissu is becoming better or worse is solely on their part.
I think it's because I stopped posting.
A month after the fact and I'm posting... >>73266
I think more "necroing" of threads would be beneficial towards /qa/, since at the heart of the issue /qa/ gets threads at a much slower rate than /jp/. The only problem would be if they get extra activity for it or not. I believe the current speed of the board lends itself well to bringing up past conversation since it's not as though there's constant /qa/ discussion it'd be interfering with, and maybe someone may have an idea that they hadn't before, or see a thread they hadn't seen before if they were to look a bit at the catalog of /qa/ once in a while. I think some of the problem with why people don't do this much is it may seem like a relic of the past to them that they'd want to leave behind because it reminds them of when it was a necessity to do so in order for good threads not to die to spam on 4/qa/, and since the problem doesn't exist now people try to archive the memory of both it and the solution even if one was a positive to /qa/.
The problem with that is that I typically see each new post as it gets posted and if I have anything to reply, I'll just do so when I first see it. Certain general sharing threads and such might be an exception to that, but they already get bumped plenty so that's not really an issue. I just wish people used sage less as it means I am unlikely to see new posts and it actively prevents the general cycling of threads you are looking for even when it would be useful.
Yeah... I think sage may be used a bit much when it's not really necessary.
An update for the activity for last month, which includes first 6 pages sorted in bump order.
Seems that /qa/ returned largely to past activity compared to last month. The activities for Act off-board, General media, /jp/ like, and Meta have returned to the previous levels.
The sum of General QA and 2D media has stayed the same, but there are more General QA threads recently.
Overall, /qa/ has more of my favorite threads recently and is mostly enjoyable for me.
However, the activity of Creative threads is still low. Also the activity on /jp/ is very high: the last thread on page 10 was bumped just 2 weeks ago, while for /qa/ it is 2 months. There is also a /jp/ thread recently (locked by staffs) which was a showcase of the bad spinoff mentality.
With more and more /jp/ spinoffs being shut down, it's no doubt that lots of spinoff posters will come here, which will make the above situation even worse.
I found the locked thread in most part harmless aside from 2-3 posts that received an appropriate community response. I've thought about this thread quite a bit and the conclusion I came to was that it would've been preferable just to delete the post and not lock the thread. As it served as more community moderation doing its job and that's why /jp/ in general has been more resistant to trolling because of. Just nuking everything creates a bit more of an /a/-like dependency on mods. Also it creates to outsiders the perception that the mean mods are the ones keeping down all the epic /pol9k/ conversation that'd be flourishing instead of that there's just a general rejection of such topics by the posters.
Well, I don't have any complaints. Creative threads? Well, I'm still not sure what counts but I think I'm the primary creator of those so I guess I could try to make more of them. I've actually been floating an idea of a "how to use photoshop" type of thread, but need to figure out a good way to share the program itself. Making stupid edits is fun!>>75058
Yeah, it'd be good if people remembered that threads don't disappear once they're off the front page of /all/. Maybe a big catalog button somewhere or something? Or people are too accustomed to /all/ which doesn't have one.
These are examples of Creative threads:>>66362>>67182>>70291>>52810>>69085>>71158>>66481
There are some other threads that I count in this category like DIY threads or >>73454
, but I consider them a lower level since they don't invite posters to create something and post them here.
>Also the activity on /jp/ is very high: the last thread on page 10 was bumped just 2 weeks ago, while for /qa/ it is 2 months
On average /jp/ threads are much more low effort and free-form than the more discussion-heavy threads of /qa/ so it makes sense that there would be more of them.
it's harder to make a deep thread on /jp/. If something gets lots of replies on /jp/ and isn't a thread that might be placed on /qa/ then it must be very special.