I keep getting filtered by kanji. I had learned katakana in 2023 using Duolingo and now I learned it again but I don't know what to do next because kanji is too much for my retard brain.

>>154054
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1607129785
at least until part3

>>154054
Delete Duol*ngo from your internet history, for your own good. It does not teach grammar, it teaches you how to reorder words how they want you to and it is not good. It is not good for learning kanji or words either.
Learn some basic grammar, learn to recognize a few hundred kanji and some thousand or two thousand words, and start reading erotic novels about little girls going to the park and eating ice cream. You might wanna start with a manga though, pictures can help with context in the beginning until you get used to things. Mokuro (ocr manga) is great in combination with Yomitan (web browser hover over any word for dictionary lookup).

For grammar, maybe read through tae kim.
You can also try DOJG and DOJG deck
https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/
https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
It will streamline your learning a bit if you need a kick in the back to know where to walk in the beginning.

If you really REALLY struggle to tell kanji apart you can try something like https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1722008986 this "radical" deck to learn some basic components. The names are not official and they are not actually radicals.
After that I think kaishi 1.5k is maybe better than core 2k or core6k https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1196762551 but I honestly didn't use either of them so I can't say for sure. I just know kaishi is suposed to be hyper specific for people who want to start immersing immediately which everyone should want to.
You'll want to mine your own words anyways, it's easier when your reviews and new words are all words you've recently tried reading. Misunderstandings can be cleared up over time when a sentence doesn't make sense with context, then you look into the word causing issues due to multiple meanings or a vaguely different meaning than you thought.

>>154054
参考になれれば嬉しい限りです。

>>154056
I don't use duo anymore, I learnt katakana from tofugu this time.
> to recognize a few hundred kanji and some thousand or two thousand wo
You shouldn't say that so lightly, "just learn 100+ alphabet bro" but I suppose I have no choice. I will also use these links, I was looking for resources.
>>154055
Thank
>>154061
Wakaranai :(

>>154062
>I learnt katakana from tofugu this time.
I assume you mean kana. Katakana is アイウエオ, Hiragana is あいうえお. Kana is the word for both of them, basically not Kanji. If you mean you only learned Katakana then before you do anything else you need to learn Hiragana. Hiragana is pretty much everywhere in Japanese. Katakana is mostly used for emphasis or loan words.
>You shouldn't say that so lightly, "just learn 100+ alphabet bro" but I suppose I have no choice. I will also use these links, I was looking for resources.
I have forgotten a little bit of what it is to start out. I remember it was hard, but I was stubborn and kept going. You will need to learn thousands of words and a ton of squigglies. That's the reality. It will happen over time, not in one day. It's okay. It gets easier at some point.

Anki is magic. It's scientifically designed to help you learn a lot fast by having you recall what something is right before you forget it and expanding the durations over time. It's not perfect, the words you will truly understand are the ones you've seen over and over in context, but it's a good way to bootstrap your beginning.
You can take it kinda slow in the beginning, it's the hardest part for most people since everything is new and you don't have any prior information to build on and they really can't read to retain information. You will mix up words a lot, you will mix up kanji a lot. Failure is learning. Fail a lot, every day. Anki will remind you of your failures, every day. Stay strong, there's nothing wrong with you the beginning is just difficult.
I don't know how much you can handle, but I started with only a few kanji a day and like five words a day because I was afraid of failure. This obviously didn't get me very far, but it was difficult enough until I could get over my fear of failing to remember something. You could probably manage this amount to some extent. You will probably forget the words a few times before you remember them, it's okay. When you start getting the hang of it you can try upping to 7 words, 10 words, and so on. I started doing 20 a day after about 3 months by slowly pushing my limits. I do more than this now, but you really don't have to and reviews will cut into immersion time. Just don't go nuts adding 50 words because they will pile up and you will probably forget half of them and reviews will be completely unmanagable in a matter of days or weeks.

I didn't touch any grammar in the beggining and just focused on kanji and words for some time until I felt I was used to that and wanted more, at least it made the example sentence words readable.
If you're struggling with grammar whenever you start that, maybe the first 12 videos in this Cure Dolly playlist will help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSvH9vH60Ig&list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWj
I stopped at the first 12 and moved on to other resources, but it felt helpful at the time when I didn't even understand the core concepts and reading was hurting my brain. No idea about the rest of the videos, didn't watch them.
Sorry to overload you with information, but take your time. It's gonna take a while.

>Wakaranai :(
I just wanted to leave a cute kanji picture that you will look back on one day and go "oh I know this". The text basically says something to the amount of "I will be delighted if this can be useful to you" although not literally that.

https://dokushoclub.com/free-reading-resources/n4-free-reading-resources/
Gonna try and tackle a book or two for a month until I switch over to N3 grade for the rest of the year, I figure

My 1 month N4 speedrun ciriculum is probably going to be something like this... it's designed to gateway me into not being completely out of depth approaching N3 graded content and communication topics during the months of June/July.

Raw Vocab+Kanji :
Core 2000 Part 3 along with already studied 1 & 2
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1752619191
Supposedly the hardest in the original Core 2000 set?
- overall 600+ kanji in sentences

Literary Reading:
n4 books
https://dokushoclub.com/2025/04/25/n4-the-human-chair/
Along with 2 other selections from:
https://dokushoclub.com/free-reading-resources/n4-free-reading-resources/
- Pick out vocabulary I don't know and memorize them from 3 books

Mixed media entertainment:
Anime/Eroge/Games
Not for purpose of vocabulary but casual understanding of media.
Cheating allowed for better engagement with material.
- 3 major titles for the month

Listening:
Audiodrama/ASMR etc.
Be able to hear words in casual settings.
Applying learned vocabulary with a vocal settings.
- 1 title per week

Goal: Hit a strong enough beginner level that I can begin to tackle intermediate topics and approach dynamic+real world language scenarios using tools and learned skills.

>>154065
I learnt Hiragana. My brain is fried, fuck.
I'm a wagie so I will try to use what little time I usually have to follow this advice. Going slow is the key for me. Going too fast makes me forget.
>I just wanted to leave a cute kanji picture that you will look back on one day and go "oh I know this"
Hope I get there one day anon.

Something kinda concerning about the listening training is how I can't actually look up words on the fly so I have to just make mental note of everything I don't understand and try to make associations with vocabulary I'll learn later.

Very hard to get vocabulary training out of listening

This site looks pretty great.
https://yomuyomu.app/lessons/courses/2-the-human-chair?chapter=2
If I get value out of it I'll probably get 2 months worth of subscription on it

>>154094
the secret to listening, as insane as it may sound is "to just understand it". What is crucial for that is film. You want to watch film (or anime, I suppose), so you can SEE the subject of the conversation. If you know WHAT they are talking about, you can make connections much more easily.
A central aspect in studying by listening is being comfortable with not understanding. Your brain is good enough to handle all this, as long as you can understand the words.

>>154094
Have you tried using the memento video player? It has yomichan built-in for Japanese subtitles, so you can look stuff up.

>>154097
true enough. I was thinking of approaching listening the same way you do in an academic setting with the cassette tapes just playing things like interviews, expecting you to the fill out a questionaire to show you understood it or not.
Having the visual cues is much more realistic. Still I think I will do both, but I should place more emphasis on the visual parts of listening

>>154100
pick a movie, any movie.
Preferably one you have already seen before and just watch it in your target language with subtitles in your target language and try to keep up. That's all there is to listening practice.
It'll be grueling and not very fun, but it works quite well.

>>154101
Was picking that movie part of your plan?

>>154101
dubfags would tell you they're unable to hear the difference between hardy's peerless performance and that of yamaji

>>154102
もちろんだ

>>154104
honestly, the place scene is such a masterpiece of acting. Aidan Gillen's performance of CIA is one of the highest points of cinema in the previous decade.

Flashcards are too addicting... It's like the only thing I can do consistently with little push. I know I need to stop doing them but I can just pull out my phone and run out 300 of them for 30 minutes and then feel like I've done enough

>>154308
Used to do the same thing, but didn't feel like it wasn't enough. My goal was remembering as much kanji/vocab as I could, and I was doing it everyday for 2+ hours for at least a year; came out remembering a shit ton of kanji. The readings at least... Writing goes away as soon as you stop anki (if you were practicing writing). I don't know the deck you're using, but the deck I was using also gave audio/text examples of the kanji in use so it worked immersion as well.

>>154308
I wake up, drink my coffee, do my flashcards, then read and watch stuff the rest of the day. Flashcards are a chore, but not one I dislike doing. You don't need to stop doing them, but you need to get addicted to something else in addition. If you really need some numbers to motivate yourself, start chasing numbers on anidb/mal/al, mydramalist, vndb, and such. Feel accomplishment in your "hours immersed" statistic that you can look at and go, wow I used Japanese a lot this month.

Besides, need to mine new cards.

This yomuyomu.app website actually has a flashcard builder where you can save kanji from their articles and stories... it's something I've wanted for hgames earlier this year but would have had to manually build myself.

Speaking of which, has anyone built their own decks before?

>>154328
>it's something I've wanted for hgames earlier this year but would have had to manually build myself.
Textractor + Yomitan give one click cards in eroge. You can then use a kanji addon to check all your mined kanji if you want to go over them individually. You can also configure it to allow setting up kanji cards in addition to words, but you'll have to do each kanji manually as you see them.
Makes it easy to start immersing fast.

>>154329
The standard is to start with something like 1.5k kaishi or 2k core and start mining from there on. You should automate it as much as possbile for the things you immerse with. I've mined 15k cards this year while reading and watching things. >>152367 Use these for mining from anime and manga effortlessly. If I see a word relatively frequently, but keep forgetting it, I put it on top the pile so I can focus on learning it immediately and stop wasting time looking it up.

https://learnjapanese.moe/vn/
https://learnjapanese.moe/yomichan/

>>154328
WAITWAITWAIT
YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT https://lazyguidejp.github.io/jp-lazy-guide/ YET?
DO IT RIGHT NOW

>>154331
yeah, I just put them into a spreadsheet and said I'd do it later

It's surprisingly easy to write out kanji once you get the knack for the typical writting patterns of horizontal bars, then vertical lines. With a couple of exceptions.
When I get the gist of that I can start to do repetition drills in the form of Look, Cover, Write, Check ... something which is apparently only really drilled into you in the UK elementary school system ... and memorize words at a more reliable rate than flashcards.



>>154331
I guess the audio capture in ShareX is what you're trying to point out?
I dunno. There's so much other teaching material that gives you what you're looking for without having to set up text and audio extractors.
And for this other stuff outside of teaching material... Kinda superstitious like where I think that putting in more effort to find something means you'll remember it better

something else to just gripe about with it is that it doesnt have the intonation built in like YomuYomu. But I think it pronounces correctly

After doing reading exercises I've thought about it and the words I know best come from flashcards and when reading I understand that there's a lot of opportunity to cement things you learn from context.
And writting out the stories by hand and listening to a generated voice(with dramatized intonation) gives you more ways to learn the terms that you wouldn't get during cards .

So my current plan is updated to around an hour of cards a day+. Current rate is 2000 words covered by July 1st
Reading some stories on yomuyomu. Building a better understanding of the language through literature.
Some asmr.one sfw stuff.(No great systems yet)
Need to work in speeches but it will probably tie in with the above two. With some improv.

>>153447
The pronunciation of words is such a difficult thing... I can't get used to adjusting myself to it and I suck at correcting my voice since I don't even know how to use it in English...

>>154593
was doing something for the first time ever easy

1hr30min of flashcards a day is quite something...

>>154608
No it's not but I've tried rolling my Rs constantly and for some reason anything intentional that's vocal I just consistently suck at. Makes me wish I wasn't raised on American English and instead proper British English since there's more of a concentrated effort in it to sound proper unlike in American where you just sound the way you sound and it's ok.

>>154616
The Japanese G sounds seems much weirder to me.

https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/japanese/lets-practice/rariru/

>>154616
I remember some kids struggled with rolling Rs in my native language despite most kids already being long capable of it. They all got it eventually, you probably will too if you keep trying and practicing.

>>154618
You are thinking from an English native perspective so you are more blind to how absurd English is. The English G is retarded (And here in English it's practically silent?). It's pronounced gee (じい) (alternatively germ ジェるむ　if you want a real word), but also good　ぐっど. It's not even the same sound. がげぎごぐ are consistent and not intermixable with じゃ　ジェ　じ　じょ　じゅ like English or being almost unnoticeable in -ing sounds.

>>154609
Don't fall into card hell like I did. It just makes your JP more random if you know a bunch of vocab and don't have good practice in actually stringing them together with grammar and knowing which are proper in what scenarios. There's conversational words and ones more for text and then ones that are very conversational and if you don't understand what is what when you're speaking you'll be making mistakes left and right that make you sound very unnatural. Also cards kinda suck in that they give you the English definitions of words and not the JP ones so they leave out a bit of context if they're not explicitly stating what each word is for in particular. Its something I noticed from use of my own core2k deck in that I end up with a bunch of words that I think could fit a particular use case but because of a facet of the Japanese definition that was left out I don't understand that there's only one word that actually works.

Like you wouldn't say「ドアノブを握る」, you'd say「ドアノブを掴む」. Even though both seem to have an English definition of "grip", but「握る」describes a state and「掴む」describes the action.

Also there was a card that used「さす」as a way to describe "pour" or "apply to" with the example sentence「自転車に 油をさしたの」but it just caused me confusion in the long run because I believed I was able to say something like「牛肉にバッターを差した」to mean "I rubbed butter into the steak" which is completely wrong. Not just because I used the wrong verb but because I was mistakenly lead to believe that I could use a single verb as "Rub into", in this case「塗る」is the proper verb for rub but to make it apply for the case of "Rub into" it needs to be「塗り込む」. What「差す」actually works for in the case of the example sentence is because of the shape of the item you use to apply the oil onto a bicycle. It's a tube usually and「差す」is used for those sort of shaped items like umbrellas or katanas. It's odd and somewhat complex but apparently for that case you want to look at more visuals for what's expressed to understand what's going on since there's a lot of those kinds of verbs in Japan that may seem like they have one English meaning but actually it's just something completely different that's only being translated into English in one way because that's the easiest way to use it in the sentence. Also「注ぐ」is the proper word for general pouring.

>>154619
The thing is that when I listen to japanese G it's more like an N midsentence, but i think sometimes it's a hard G as well...

>>154459
Good work, anon! That's a lot of cards... Reminds me of my anki hell days.
>Building a better understanding of the language through literature.
Yeah, that's something I realized was the better way to do it, a little too later than I'd liked to have realized it... Was putting off reading LNs and stuff "until I know a lot of kanji", but really if I wanted to read the LN with kanji, I should have just read the LN and looked up any unfamiliar kanji I came across. That's what I do now, I even have a custom deck of just the new kanji I found in media, dropping the premade decks altogether.

https://exhentai.org/g/642120/c1004d84fa/

Fap time is the most important time to convert into studying.

>>154621
These problems are mainly a lack of immersion and flashcards do not deserve a bad reputation from them. Flashcards help you understand the immersion, that's what they're for. Flashcards are not meant to make you master and output language.
When you use flashcards, you need to accept them as vague template database entries in your brain waiting for input. Always assume you don't understand a word until you've seen it dozens of times in context, and most likely your brain won't try to use them if you've only seen them in writing either. Eventually you can also switch to Japanese dictionary flashcards. Some of the JP definitions will still be vague and immersion will eventually solve most of these.
If anon is a neet, 1 hour of flashcards in the morning and 10 hours of immersion is reasonable. Eventually anon will either run out of mined flashcards or increase the difficulty of whatever anon is reading and watching to get new flashcards.

Of course you don't have to use flashcards if you don't want to and overreliance on them is bad and arguably someone who isn't a neet and has more limited time should just immerse or use a *very* low flashcard amount for common words they know they struggle with and nothing else so they don't lose precious immersion time, but they are a godsend for people who have to learn how to read thousands of kanji and people who want to learn how to read an insane amount of words a year. I also have some mined cards that I end up just suspending immediately when I get to them, it means I learned those naturally, but I have an considerable amount of cards that show up and I don't even remember coming across it before. These would take forever to remember how to input without anki, but I still want to learn them fast.

>>154459
I'm adjusting my method on flashcards because the number is piling up. Hard to memorize 17 new words a day and it eats into other time I could be doing other things.

So to try and get better retention I'm:
- Writing out the individual vocabulary cards I don't get while comparing it against the information on Jisho with what the card presents.
- Reading out sentences with the core2000 narration to work on pronunciation and phonology.
- Ignoring and isolated word homophones (風邪 vs 風) that don't appear to have any intonation differences(even then I have a better source of information for homophones)
- Adjusting the new cards to be more weighted towards the decks I'm finding easier and less on the hard. I'll catch up later when the easy ones finish first.

I'm getting close to the two hour mark for vocabulary which is past the amount of time I'm willing to spend on it. Plus this should give me more educational value out of them

not really language but a Dogen bump

>>155106
Holy crap 107k views in 3 days? I had no idea that guy was so popular, or is just Japan in general now?
People have been saying the "you missed the boat on being an English teacher in Japan" thing for a long time. I've been reading it since the 00s when the blogs started about the subject. The competition is surely very strong now, which means wages are going to plummet and all advantages go to the employer. I've heard these days you want to have degrees in English language as a native speaker for the best jobs, which makes sense. Japan is not just the dream destination for a few nerds on usenet any more, you're competing with hundreds of thousands of others seeking to carve up a piece of the pie.
I wonder what the Gaijinsmash guy is up to these days...

>>155110
the algorithm giveth and taketh

Bought paper with lines on it in a book form. Will do some free writting and my flashcard memorization on them

https://eowp-shop.alc.co.jp/
https://tsukubawebcorpus.jp/search/
some quite useful sites

>>155110
The truth is and always has been that you need to get a real job in Japan.
English teacher is not a real job.

Stupid deck