No.141635
>>141634You're wrong that I don't understand why you are doing it. I'm sure it helps, but I don't see why you wouldn't just read instead of spending time learning stroke order and kanji radicals to write it down. Even if you ignore learning to write, Every minute you're sitting there writing is a minute you're not spending seeing words and grammar in context to really absorb it without memorization which will help you just as much in outputting. It's a lot easier to produce a word you've read hundreds of times.
I just do my anki and then read. Then while reading I add new words to my anki reviews immediately based on how well I remember it from reading. If I don't know it, 1 day, if I can recall it while reading, start from 4 days to manage my review load.
Do it your way, I'm not saying it's wrong to write things down I am just refuting that it "has to" be combined with writing things down and I do question if it's more effective than just immersing. You can get some knowledge by memorization, but you want to absorb the whole meaning by seeing it in contexts either way which is why I think you're better off just reading. Words that I've read many times are a breeze when they show up in my reviews.
No.141636
>>141635You have to if you want to learn quickly.
No.141637
>>141636This is not true. I have never written anything and without getting into humblebrag numbers I have learned very fast. The grammar/vocab/kanji I am good at are not the ones I studied, but the ones I have read over and over in novels and heard in videos. I've never even opened a textbook.
Do it your way. Don't insist it's necessary.
No.141638
>>141637No, i feel as if it is malpractice to dissuade people from using pen and paper. This phenomenon is documented in teaching literature.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-writing-by-hand-is-better-for-memory-and-learning/ No.141640
>>141638Yes, I am sure it is better for studying something in school, especially if it's not interesting and you need to ensure you're paying attention to what you're hearing/reading/thinking. I am not convinced it is better than immersing all day every day for learning languages.
I reached fluency in English by reading all day every day, not with a pen and paper and writing down words I don't even quite grasp yet due to lack of context building in the brain. I don't think I ever really wrote anything on paper.
Your article is barely relevant in this matter. It's comparing disinterested people sitting there forced to do something, not people actively engaging with a language.
I don't want to discuss this further because I don't feel like you're even responding to me, just repeating yourself.
>>141639The article isn't wrong. It's about children learning best by handwriting which is absolutely true.
No.141644
Threads like this would be so much better if everyone who wanted to make blanket statements about what "works better" was required to pass JLPT N1 at the bare minimum.
No.141646
>>141640My point is that if you were serious you would throw everything you know at solving
the problem. Not that I think you have to, or should.
I'm not going to provide a long post on it. But it's worth pointing out that what I'm describing is researched. You'd struggle to find articles on adult education If you feel like it doesn't apply to adults
No.141722
Is Tae Kim supposed to go all the way to N1/2 ?
No.141724
>>141723high basics or intermediate? Or what level is it theoretically supposed to stop at?
No.141726
Well, I looked it up myself and people think the end of the book touches on N3 concepts
https://community.wanikani.com/t/tae-kim-which-category-do-i-need-for-jlpt-n4/52177/6 No.141732
>>141724Dunno man, it's been such a long time since I read it. But skimming the "advanced topics" section it seems to cover more or less intermediate topics.
No.141817
Progress to get to N5 by the 20th..
- Doing recap of 100 new a day(roughly 20 vocab) from core 2000 to catch up to where I stopped.. most of them i just say easy to because my vocabulary is larger than that.
- Writting out a chapter of tae kim focusing on vocabulary and important concepts worth remembering.
- Occasionally write out a bunch of N5kanji if I have the time
- Watch some of this game show to try and get a feel for how people actually speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTU4DTH20w8&t=1053s No.141877
Is so annoying how tae-kim uses unicode that doesn't work with Jisho so I can't find the stroke order
No.141898
>>141897I'm using the PDF so maybe that's it
No.141901
>>141900daddy's kitten got genderswapped
No.141977
>>141972wait, have you read the principles of brush strokes, and the standard steps? how are you writing these?
No.141993
If you want to take the route of the writer :
https://jisho.org/search/%23jlpt-n5There are a lot of good compilation dictionaries based on difficulty
No.142502
>>142322THIS IS WHY I TOLD YOU TO START EARLIER
SPEECH PRODUCTION IS RADICALLY DIFFERENT FROM COMPREHENSION
No.142562
>>142322Consume Japanese all day, internally practice speaking to yourself in the shower and when you buy food. You won't be great, but you'll be able to communicate soon enough.
No.143611
Too much imageboard happenings, not enough flashcard memorization.
>>142322Didn't you know.. if you study flashcards long enough you'll become a master of all aspects of the language..
No.143689
Not sure I can do more than 339 cards in 30.6 minutes but I guess I'm on track to have all the vocabulary and basic grammar learned in 7 days along with all those kanji..
No.143934
>>143853Buy those math papers with squares on them if you want to write. Freehand writing from the get go leads to pretty odd characters. Alternatively download kanji paper and use a printer. In general Japanese people don't handwrite like a computer font though.
No.143938
>>142322You want the real answer? Go to Japan and stay there as long as possible. Short of that. Find Japanese people/communities and try to interact. When they stop telling you to go home you'll know you've mastered the way of the sword.
You can watch anime without subtitles and game shows all day and it won't make much difference. It's like expecting to put a 4 year old in front of Nick Jr. and them magically learning how to speak at a level above retard. It isn't going to work without practice. Real practice. Which requires putting yourself around a native speaker and sounding like a 4 year old babbling retard. That's just how it is.
You might consider seeing if your local community college offers Japanese as a second language. Don't take the class unless a native Japanese person is teaching it. Be prepared to have a really hard time learning anything of value via their Engrish. The only thing of value there is them and them giving you time to practice speaking. They will know right off if you aren't properly rolling your Ls and ime they're usually very quick to correct you.
If you're a native English speaker you're going to spend months training your tongue to move in new ways. You'll always be gaijin though. So most of them will give you a pass (and laugh at your behind your back). It's hard to learn from people that come from a culture where they fake being polite. Which is why I suggest trying with one of them that's getting paid to do it. The average person won't even tell you that you sound retarded. At least not to your face.
No.144100
>>143853Tip:
As a beginner when you start anki, use an handwriting font, on the neater side of handwriting fonts (use 楷書体 as a search term) to not make it hard to read, but still handwritten.
It is much much easier to both really understand radicals, because they aren't as properly separated and kind of blur together in the standard computer fonts, and it also teaches you what more natural handwriting looks like both for writing and for being able to read.
No.144853
Too busy to study today...
>>143934I have a ton of scrap paper I'm going through. I guess I'll make some simple grids on them to at least try and get some sort of proportions
No.146739
Finished the first set of Japanese Core 2000 Step 1(of 10) on time burning through 100 cards a day... mostly recap..
but I've fallen behind on grammar and haven't done active listening training in a while
No.149348
is 向かう used in an abstract metaphorical sense or a literal one..
No.149350
>>149348both
for the metaphorical, you can check how certain content is 男性向け or 女性向け, here "facing/looking towards" in the sense of being aimed at a certain demographic
it's a common usage
No.149354
>>149348>>149349My advice for this kind of nuance is dont worry too much about it.
You are going to implicitly figure out how things are *really* used from immersion, not so much flashcards and studying. The flashcards and studying allows you to understand enough to learn the true nuances without having to start from scratch though.
You'll come across things like 真っ向こう and 向こう側, and 川の向こう.
I've yet to see 向かう in a fairly figurative way.
For example 子供向けアニメ while somewhat figurative is still easily interpreted as facing children. You'd likely somewhat figure that one out just from seeing it in use.
If you're thinking "the other side" as in afterlife, you'll see more 天国 地獄 冥土 冥府 幽世
No.149355
>>149354¥扉の向こうからActally got this in a novel right now
No.149365
>>149354i don't want to speak to someone and instead of giving directions I start giving life advice!
No.149367
>>149365I dont understand what you mean with this. It's clearly a language advice. I explained how I've mostly seen the word used, I explained how I think you can save time and effort by not worrying so much about nuance. I never told you how to live your life.
I dont understand in the slightest why are unhappy.
No.149368
>>149367it's a joke.
Because some sayings might be more abstract and others are more literally. So you might read the translation of a word and think it's about directions, but then you get to know the context better and it's actually about the directions one should take to achieve happyness
No.149370
>>149368Rereading your post I see now I completely misinterpreted it.
No.149605
>>149365>>149367>>149370That was a funny misunderstanding!
No.149625
>>143938I'll be going to Japan but before then is there anything I can use to try and improve my grammar usage through a routine daily practice or something?
No.149634
>>149605That's what I get for posting with no sleep whatsoever. I didn't even read the word right, he clearly wrote 向かう （向かう intransitive 向ける transitive） not 向こう (noun).
They're definitely related words, but this was just embarassing. I want to dig myself a hole and hide in it.
No.149643
>>143938>You can watch anime without subtitles and game shows all day and it won't make much difference.This simply isn't true. The more you read and listen, the more you will internalize grammar and collocations, understand how native speakers think and externalize their thoughts, acquire vocabulary, and so on.
>>149625Like that guy said you don't have to be in Japan to communicate with natives. Go pick fights on comment sections for Japanese videos, get a 浪人 and shitpost on 5ch, find some people to play TRPGs with on shitcord. But really, I'd tell you to just watch anime and play VNs.
No.150151
>>150104>I'm terrible at recalling the spellings of the kanji I readYou'll get better if you keep at it without furigana so you get that recall practice.
No.150179
>>150151Yes he shouldn't be furiganizing things.
Maybe you could make the argument if there was an extension that did it only for wago; I could see that being useful to not get overwhelmed with learning all the readings for the verbs et cetera as a beginner but for kanji in general, furiganizing would only be hampering your ability to start learning the readings, it's the equivalent of the yomichan-ing everything before actually trying to read trap some people fall into.
But he is saying at work so maybe he just means that he can't give it full attention at work, which fair enough. Respect for studying japanese on the company time.