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 No.66481[View All]

i've seen dedicated drawthreads and writethreads here, but never once saw a music creation thread. considering you can post sound files here i wonder why it happens, because i did see several posters here said they made music. is it because many consider the stuffs they make have no merit to be posted? or because many have some musician profiles that they want no connection to this place...?
anyway, post some musics you made!
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 No.141713

>>141712
Higher BPM version.

 No.141714

>>141712
>>141713
Nice, kind of a creepy vibe to it.

 No.141715

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>>141714
I'm glad the horror vibes were picked up on.
I usually don't go that subtle with them but I felt I needed to make the change after other people unrelated to here deemed the songs I did too "anxiety invoking" and "disturbing" but I can't help myself, at least some degree, have horror themes.

 No.143145

Rush E... AHHHHHHH

 No.146629

>>66481
i just play instruments, can't write music though. here's me just playing whatever.

 No.146663

>>146629
woops opus buggin out

 No.146668

>>146663
This is some pretty good strumming. Didn't even realize it was an at-home recording.

 No.146772


 No.146982

>>104054
your levels sound really low lol.
tbh i'd just pirate reaper.

 No.149015

>>101401
I love the little noises that aren't the notes... So beautiful. Idk how I'd go about doing sth like this with a DAW

 No.150968

ahh, it takes time to refine an arrangement and perfect your sound, but once you figure out what's missing, it satisfies the soul.

 No.151064

tell me second inversions aren't heavenly

 No.151582

i'm just sayin, but they used to hate on me for my poor chord comping. now every chord in the progression has chromatic movement. look at me now, ma. no hands~!

 No.151588

>>150968
sometimes it's not even about what your arrangement is missing, but what it has too much of. less is more. five elements are my principals when it comes to arrangement: bass, percussion, harmony, melody, and twinkle. five is a simple number to rember; work smarter, not harder.

 No.151600

when you hit a creative block, don't stumble forwards and force yourself into progression. instead, let yourself explore and find out new possibilities without the pressure to create anything special. then, when you finally find inspiration, you will be recharged with new ideas to add to your tried and true methods.

 No.151605

never think anything you're doing is wrong. the best type of creativity spawns from intentional deviation from the norm.

 No.151612

>>146663
That's two guitars right. I get confused sometimes wondering if it's countermelody or not

 No.152631

File:jam.mp3 (7.7 MB)

I don't play guitar as much as I used to. I think I'll make it a goal to make another one-man album this year, whatever else happens.
This was a fun experiment that came from having nobody to play with: improvise a bass track, forget it after a few minutes, then jam with yourself. You get some neat ideas you wouldn't otherwise.
If you know what song the opening lick is from, you're my friend

 No.153396

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Best of the original amateur retroish VGM-like stuff that I had been making on https://aurysystem.github.io/goldbox/


Declaration (just glockenspiel fun)
https://files.catbox.moe/ycpfm0.mp3

Altered Step
https://files.catbox.moe/r77bqw.mp3

Skirmish O'Clock
https://files.catbox.moe/owmnbq.mp3

Harro Wing
https://files.catbox.moe/sh3upy.mp3

Star Upon A Wish
https://files.catbox.moe/d8zxa9.mp3

Admiral Awakened
https://files.catbox.moe/9cpsg9.mp3

Revvyngton
https://files.catbox.moe/ous0xs.mp3

Torque Calibration
https://files.catbox.moe/e3w12d.mp3

Inspection
https://files.catbox.moe/u52nt9.mp3

Flank Trial
https://files.catbox.moe/0v365j.mp3

Amorphine
https://files.catbox.moe/925f8a.mp3

Arbitrary Troublemaking
https://files.catbox.moe/jahgpo.mp3

Prime Surface
https://files.catbox.moe/pm9vs8.mp3

Descent Frontier
https://files.catbox.moe/eszigm.mp3

Curtain (just glockenspiel fun)
https://files.catbox.moe/omoesf.mp3


Any critique at all is welcome, because I really need a refresher as I'm going back to mastering LMMS.
I can put up their original goldbox links in pastebins (they're normally too long, and shortening links is blocked on kissu) if someone wants to fix or analyze something.

 No.154352

>>141422
I'm ~4 months late, but if you're still interested, it was LMMS. Probably with the SGM soundfont too

 No.154354

File:spike.mp3 (477.29 KB,175x175)


 No.154355

>>154354
Spike does everything! Wow!

 No.154356

>>154354
Typical spike music

 No.154382

Any experienced anon here who can tell me if it's possible to use x64 VST/is on the x86 variant of REAPER on a 32bit OS, provided that I can circumvent the installer or that it's just a single .dll file? I am currently unable to test this, but I could already start streamlining my collection if I knew the answer.

 No.159519

I figure it's worth moving a conversation from the blog thread to here and try to resurrect this thread after the last piece of musical genius seems to have demotivated everyone.
This anon >>159503 was kind enough to help me out with a QRD™️ on music theory, also providing two very nice and helpful resources.

>>159503
Thank you so much for your help and effort, I appreciate it so much! This already helped me out quite a bit in piecing together little bits of information that I didn't really know what to do with previously, especially the two sections on chords! Having already done some research on the meaning behind sharps, flats and steps also helps a lot with understanding your post and the YT playlist seems perfect for studying, rewatching and practicing, so I will try my best to get on that soon.

I have a few more questions that I think might be beneficial to know the answer to prior to practicing:
¥ What's up with "perfect fourth", "tritone", "perfect fifth"?
They stand out in that they don't have the minor and major the other ones have, why is that? Or would it be better to just accept this as "it is what it is" to not complicate things?
¥ How does one find out about non-obvious "composition concepts"?
This is a weird one, mostly because I don't know the correct term for it and have to resort to describing. What I mean are concepts like harmonies, arpeggios and those "characterless flavor melodies", additions that spice things up, but which - unlike a main melody, drums and bass - are hard to naturally perceive for someone inexperienced. Is there a general term for these concepts so that one could easily find a list of them?
It's like how in chiptune there's this method of quickly alternating between a note and its corresponding harmony note, as opposed to overlaying the two, since you only have limited channels to work with. I consider that something which a casual listener doesn't understand, but has to be told about or find out through chance that that's something one can do in music, if that makes sense.
¥ Bass
This is just to help me clear my confusion between chords and bass when it comes to mood, since you say it really is chords that drive the mood: I have noticed over the years that I tend to like song sections where the bass travels downwards in steps, for example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOFRiLShPsU from 1:11 to 1:15 - it's basically just 3 notes, each lower than the one before. There are a couple songs that do this and I always associate those parts with a "mildly dramatic feel". Not really moody-dramatic, maybe just like a build-up of sorts. Since I am able to perceive this, I assume bass can still play a role in declaring a mood? Or is this some kind of illusion, like chords that aren't playing but which you still perceive through other ways?

Other things, like how to work with tom-toms and hi-hats, I assume should make sense to me automatically when going through that YT playlist you linked. Even if not, I feel they should be easily researchable once I got the basics down, so I will not think about those too much for now.

>>159506
Thank you very much as well, I shall do that! There have been a couple of minor things that I think to have noticed just listening to some of my favorites, so I'm hopeful about this approach.

 No.159547

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>>159519
Music stuff seems so complicated and yet simple at the same time. I guess it's like anything else, you can take it to great depths by studying it or just go willy-nilly and go with the flow.

 No.159558

File:music.jpg (60.67 KB,326x225)

>>159519
Hey, I'm happy you liked it! Really glad to hear it helped. I'm back for round 2 so hopefully this one goes just as well.

> What's up with "perfect fourth", "tritone", "perfect fifth"?
The fact that I haven't thought about the reasons behind those names for years could probably tell you that "it is what it is." I wrote a massive paragraph while I tried to figure it out until I finally remembered the simple explanation: Take a C, and go up to a G. That's a fifth. Now, take a C and go down to a G. That's a fourth. This concept is called interval inversion, where the distance between notes depends on if you're going up, or down. 2nds invert into 7ths, and 3rds invert into 6ths. The thing about all those notes is that they switch from major to minor when they invert, ie, C to A is a major sixth, while A to C is a minor third. But the perfect intervals don't have major or minor, they invert into each other as shown above. The tritone (so called because it's three whole steps; tri - tone) divides the octave exactly in half and so it actually inverts into itself. Inversion is a little weird to understand at first so don't worry about it. It's useful but not really necessary, just bonus pattern-recognition type stuff if you're used to it. It's more useful if you get deep into harmony but that's about it.
One other thing about the 4th and 5th: they are the third simplest ratio between frequencies possible. Notes, are of course, frequencies, and so if intervals are the relationships between notes, they are also the ratio between frequencies. Two of the same note playing at once (called a unison) is a frequency ratio of 1:1; an octave, the same note but one vibrating at twice the rate is 2:1; the perfect fifth and fourth are 3:2 and 2:3 respectively. The simpler the ratio, the more consonant, the more "pure" the harmony sounds. Contrast that with a minor second at 16:15 and well, you know how that sounds. Anyway that math bit is just a fun extra. Remember that music theory started as a series of mathematical experiments.

>How does one find out about non-obvious "composition concepts"?
There's a lot of those under a lot of different umbrella terms, but I still get what you're saying. Harmony, for example, is its own entire school and probably has more books written about it than any other concept. There's complex baroque harmonies, weird tonal harmonies like Tristan und Isolte, Allman Bros. guitar harmonies, power metal harmonies, barbershop harmonies... The best thing is to study what you listen to and what you like and learn how it works there. Formal, classical harmony is too dry, too stifling for me to ever care about understanding, even if I like listening to Bach and am impressed by how beautiful it can be with so many rules. But for everything else, arpeggios, trills, runs, long notes, short notes, fast, slow, it's all style, so just keep listening to what you like, study it, copy it, and develop your intuition as a writer. It takes time, but it definitely happens. I wish I could give you a link to a youtube lesson on it but this part really is just absorbing as much as you can.

>Bass
I... actually don't hear it in that example. Youtube keeps cutting out for me so I'm trying to listen to it in a hurry, but I keep missing it. Anyway, aside from that embarrassing fail, I do get what you mean about descending bass in general. Of course bass plays a role in declaring a mood just like everything else in a song does. What I was trying to correct in the first post was that bass determines the key and scale. It's the overall harmony that does that, but bass is a part of the overall harmony, so it still contributes, but only contributes. That's all I can say, I'm not a bassist or a writer for bass, and all the lines I have written have been pretty utilitarian and bare. I'm not even sure what direction to point you in, but again, go for what you like. Learn chord functions, dominants, tension and release, and try to apply the same concepts to writing. Signals is a great resource on that, again.
>Or is this some kind of illusion, like chords that aren't playing but which you still perceive through other ways?
This is a pretty neat point to make because you can imply certain chords by playing notes from them. So if you keep hammering away at notes from the V chord, it's going to grow more tense, for example.

>Other things, like how to work with tom-toms and hi-hats, I assume should make sense to me automatically when going through that YT playlist you linked. Even if not, I feel they should be easily researchable once I got the basics down, so I will not think about those too much for now.
This is the right attitude for not only drums but literally everything. Keep listening to what you like, study how it works, copy it, eventually you'll be able to copy not just what they're doing, but the concepts that they use and write your own material in the same style, and finally synthesize all those things you like into your own personal style. You definitely know enough to start writing, it's just experimentation and persistence from here on out. Go get em

 No.159564

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>>159547
I admire the people going willy-nilly! I know from first-hand experience in other hobbies that that approach is the best one, but I have trouble convincing my brain to apply it to things I didn't experiment with in earlier years. Though it does make it feel even more exciting once you finally do get somewhere.

>>159558
>I'm back for round 2 so hopefully this one goes just as well.
I can assure you it did, thank you so much! I believe what follows is what people nowadays like to call "glazing", but I think you're great at explaining things and adapting to another person's type of thinking. The perfect example would be "It's useful but not really necessary, just bonus pattern-recognition type stuff if you're used to it." - the info on intervals won't directly help me with creating, but the knowledge helps a lot with confidence and, in turn, getting to work. I tend to get trapped in thinking that I'm "not yet ready", comparing it to situations like the fact that I learned to capitalize individual letters with Caps Lock instead of Shift, therefore being less efficient with typing because I refuse to alter decade-old muscle memory. Not that relevant to the topic, I'm just trying to give back some with this!

Now to install that Flatulus Fart Sound VSTi..

 No.160197

File:UmJw.mp3 (60.75 KB)

Can anyone help me replicate what I assume are kick and cymbal at the start of this clip? I have nor the ears neither the experience to know what these are...

 No.160198

>>160197
I'm anything but experienced myself, but perhaps the easiest way to get that same exact sound would be to sample both the kick and cymbal from the cleanest parts possible? I think that's what I'd do if accuracy is absolutely necessary. Otherwise they both sound like you might be able to use any somewhat close alternative from some drum machine VSTi and play around with an EQ to get them to sound as accurate as possible.
Or did you mean something else?

 No.160209

>>160198
>the easiest way to get that same exact sound would be to sample both the kick and cymbal from the cleanest parts possible
I see.
>Or did you mean something else?
No, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks anonymous!
Trying to create a suitable ending for this flip I'm working on. Want to have it end on the same Kick+Cymbal but longer time to silence on the Cymbal.
I'll try do the sampling method.

 No.161171


 No.161172

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 No.161178

Thinking of getting the Akai LPD8 for drum making. What hardware do you use, anonymous?

 No.161180

>>161178
>LPD8
Scratch that, went with the MPK Mini MK2.

 No.161834

Can anyone tell me how do I play this on the keyboard (I'm going to use accordion voice) just the vocals for now not the backing piano.
I kinda figured out the prelude by ear, but the vocals I can't. I'm not necessarily asking for notes, even just tips would be helpful if you have done this kind of thing before.

 No.162479

File:InfiniteBeing.mp3 (1.22 MB)

Any Anon happen to know one or multiple good places to find out synthesizers / presets / MIDI modules / samples / sample CDs used for specific songs, albums or IPs? Something like a gigantic database that lists all of those little details for all kinds of music.

I know that the Gearslutz forum discusses hardware used in (older) mainstream music from time to time and that there's WhoSampled and Google spreadsheets for finding out samples / CDs used in either mainstream media or video games, but all of those always seemed very hit or miss to me. I'd still appreciate links to said spreadsheets as well, though, as I've never bothered to save them before.

Basically, I'm listening to old doujin arrangements like the attached preview track (Souten no Yuki - 神話幻想 ~Infinite Being~ from the 2004 / 05 album "@"~Charisma~) and want to find out what the artist used for the flute. I've been wondering the same for several synths COOL&CREATE / Beatmario used in his earlier works.

>>161834
This song reminds me of minato - magnet.
I'm not an audio guy and always think of my own approaches as primitive and unconventional, but my own personal method would be to just load the song up into a DAW, put a MIDI note with a VSTi under each vocal and then pitch those by ear until they match the vocal. At end I just combine all the notes into a single piano roll for a good look at the entire structure and from there I can see the what each note is.
I assume a professional would just find out the correct key and then experiment from there?

 No.162599

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I'm so incredibly frustrated with EQs. Each and every time I try to be professional, slap an EQ on every track, adjust for an hour straight (not exaggerating) and when I play everything back in the end... it always sounds like diarrhea. Sometimes it sounds like I'm underwater, other times there's no punch, then again other times it sounds too high. Every single day I do this and ruin my mood with the same results. I just want things to sound good.

 No.162770

File:testtt.mp3 (752.04 KB)

I think this is my first ever attempt at creating something original that is coherent. I'm still new to the ins and outs of music and creating from scratch, but I think this sounds cool..

What bugs me is that production, to me, feels very aimless. I have nothing coherent in my mind that I want to bring to the canvas, I just start out with a single note I like, make some completely random bass progression, then make chords out of the bass and so on. It may sound nice, but nothing is planned, it's all just random experimentation and I really dislike that thought.
If you draw, you also don't just throw a bucket of paint at the canvas first, you have a specific character and pose in mind, you have a destination and don't just take random paths and see where they lead you.

 No.162775

>>162770
Nice loop.
>aimless
Yeah, imagining new music is hard. Unlike art/images, my brain can't think in audio to imagine a new music/melody. I think I've seen the more talented artists make instrument noises with their mouths, but all I can do with my mouth is the basic "boots and cats and".

 No.162779

>>162775
Thank you!

I'm actually somewhat good at whistling melodies, however, that somehow only applies to already existing music. If I were to make up a melody and bring it to MIDI, it would have next to no range, notes are just 1 or 2 semitones apart, maybe there's a ladder in there and that's it.

I think it's also all these layers.. I could see one getting used to coming up with melodies that are actually good, but how would you be able to think of a complete 4-bar composition with everything included? Is that even possible? It feels like you have to make stuff up at some point.

 No.162802

>>162599
have you tried using a reference?

 No.162803

>>162770
Music, especially instrumental is a lot less representative than character drawing so not a surprise the creation process feels less directed. What you can do is target a specific emotional state. Or build around a specific technical idea. Or again, just copy a reference track.

 No.162804

>>162770
Just like with OC drawing, you draw from different notes and ideas you write down that you get randomly, whether from binging on music or having a shower

 No.162807

>>162770
I wouldn't know you were having difficulties with the test track without your commentary specifying it
there's certainly too little frequency diversity

>>162479
>Any Anon happen to know one or multiple good places to find out synthesizers / presets / MIDI modules / samples / sample CDs used for specific songs, albums or IPs?
did you find anything like that yet? because I just hoard random VSTs

 No.162842

>>162770
not a bad start, excellent for a beginner

imagine what kind of track you want to make - what genre, what kind of feeling you want your listeners to have, what setting you evoke, whether it should sit in the foreground or background, tempo, what kind of instruments are focal points, complex vs spare instrumentation, etc

have this in mind and you will spend more time chasing good sound instead of faffing about not knowing what to make

you will get better at this with practice

doing genre studies or trying to make a coherent album with a specific purpose may help you

 No.162879

File:testtt.mp3 (1.1 MB)

>>162802
Not directly, as in I haven't been comparing on and off during processing. I should probably give that a try next, though I get the feeling I'm also still missing some fundamental knowledge when it comes to frequencies.

>>162807
Thank you, trying to work on that! I sadly haven't found a place like that yet, it's still just the individual sites in that post. If googling doesn't work for me, my current method is to just ask AI on the deepest setting while nudging it in the direction I assume to be the most likely. So for early 2000s VGM for example, I'd ask something like "What MIDI modules were most likely used for Flyff's soundtrack and what gear does soundTeMP typically use in general?", which at the very least often results in info I can use to do further research on my own.

>>162842
Thank you as well, I appreciate it a lot! I currently still have this tunnel vision issue where I'm trying to shove in most of the elements I like, mostly because I primarily care for dancey groovey stuff and don't mind stepping outside of genre rules so long as everything fits, but I'm not sure that's the best idea. This started out with that noir sax because I like 80s Pop ballades, then I got taken away with drum machines because I like Stock Aitken Waterman and then I put in funky trumpets and a farty bass because I like those, too. It's a bit chaotic.
I'm still trying to find good production-focused YouTubers that make accurate 80s Discoey stuff (and not Synthwave or similar), my current source is doing something completely different that I don't like at all, but he's good at explaining cross-genre ideas.

 No.163023

>>162879
i feel like you're falling into the trap of adding more and more stuff until you can't possibly add anymore. it's the drums that start at 0:10 in particular that don't fit so good with the sax on first listen

i know i still do this sometimes. the more you listen to something the more complexity your ear tolerates because you already know the other parts. usually the solution is to split things up over time so you get a free sense of progression without drowning out your groove

plan for the first time listener. introduce complexity slowly and one or two elements at a time. it helps to take a break and come back in a few days with fresh ears.

 No.163024

>>163023
Maybe it's my ears being used to STEAKA earrape but I didn't find anon's track to be overdone right until 0:25

 No.163031

>>162770
>I have nothing coherent in my mind that I want to bring to the canvas
it's likely you have nothing usable in mind
you should critically analyze the music you like, breaking them down into pieces, and remember them so that they can be the elements you can use
memorization (not just external reference) is important for ideas, you can just take one piece each from 100 songs you like and combine the elements together with your personal touch and it will be a new work
it's easy for me to make full music completely in my head since i can fully recall hundreds of songs that i've listened to multiple times
>>163024
the issue is more like spacial and frequency placement: too much going on in the mid and too much at the center
you can have lots of things and still be coherent if you separate these




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