>>160747
I also think that we all have the ability to create things using our imagination and that they become real somewhere out in the great void. So what I'm hoping to do when I die is find a world/matrix like Acro Trip's to hang out in on my next run through the game.

It'd be cool is we all spawned in the same matrix together. I would be content with just living a normal life in a world where magical girls are real. Since most of them seem very easy going with nice people. I want to end up some place where the villains aren't as mean and sophisticated in their methods and plans. Some place where they just do dumb stuff and their plans are easily foiled like Precure world. Something like that would be a nice break from what is happening in this matix.

>>160747
this form decays but yet i remain apart of the dao

>>160747
I don't THINK. I KNOW...

Whatever happens happens, and you can either accept it and keep moving forward in the cycle or don't and rot spiritually

>>160747
>What do you think happens when we die?

Nothing. You just stop existing.

I will be reborn as a JS in Japan as a reward for my good behavior obviously

>>160754
Nah that's bullshit, you in your form right now stops existing, but the ride never ends.

>>160756
this is what plato believed

>>160757
I beg to differ. This is the ride, so better make the best of it while you can.

>>160758
"Behave and thy shall thus be reborn as a cutiepatootie" - Plato

I do worry it might just be a great big nothing, that is the closest I can imagine when trying to think of my life before my life, which I can't.
That said, I am aware that thinking outside your limitations is either fruitless or incredibly hard, so I am open to everything and hoping for the best. For example, I don't necessarily believe in OP's idea, but it sounds nice to me and who am I to say it's wrong, so I am open to the possibility. I just hope the end is something good, whatever it is.
While I don't think of my life as the best either and there's a certain need for me to throw insults at the world, I don't want to discourage anyone and think it would be healthy to think of things that can improve your current life as well, however little it may be, as opposed to focusing on longing for a potentially perfect other life.

>>160759
I disagree, the infinite void will produce something out of nothing; ex nihilo if you will, and you yes, you of now will cease to exist, but the you of the future will be whatever the dice may land.

Sometimes I like to think we are all the same existence, fully connected and all, and we will all die and be reborn in an infinite universes as an infinite amount of different people and every time we call someone a stinky poopiehead and hurt their feelings, we just make our own lives more difficult because they too are us. I took a lot of drugs in my teens.

>>160763
All that begins has an end. When the universe will reach maximum levels of entropy even time as we know it will stop, or at least become irrelevant.

>>160766
If you using logical deduction believe the universe will end, you must also believe it appeared out of somewhere which must have been nothing because something has to be created to exist. This means that the end of the universe would simple be the beginning of a universe.

>>160767
But now the issue lies with will that universe be the same as ours, and that I don't know, and that is the truly scary shit.

>>160767
We don't know yet what the origins of the universe are, but it doesn't mean it necessarily came out of nothing. And even if it did, it doesn't mean that another universe will come to a beginning after this one.

>>160768
Actually that is quite pleasant, it would mean we would not be doomed to repeat the exact same life over and over. If the universe is identical to the tiniest particle possible, we would live the exact same lives over and over with no change as the butterfly effect would no longer apply. Hopefully we wouldn't be green slimes who evolved into being RPG monsters.

>>160769
>but it doesn't mean it necessarily came out of nothing
For there to be a beginning, there has to be a nothing. What was before the beginning? Something? Then it was not the beginning. Logically it does not compute, for there to be a beginning there must be a nothing otherwise it was not the beginning.
Unless we turn it theological, but then there's no longer a point in trying to deduce anything and anything goes.

>>160769
>And even if it did, it doesn't mean that another universe will come to a beginning after this one.
Also if the same condition that caused nothing to be something is fulfilled when something turns back into nothing, then logically nothing will again become something. Ergo, a new universe. We can deduce that this likely isn't the first universe either so we are living the result of the end of another universe dooomed to become a new universe.

You guys arguing as if you read AT LEAST the latest developments in research trying to figure the consciousness out. You didn't read. The arguing is like the lower end of what people argued in 19th century, except with egocentric "twists" you may see anywhere else. I am still reading, and I'm not doing arguments: I'm really smart.

>>160777
Unless you are a researcher yourself or close enough with one to get your questions answered truthfully, public research objectively can't hold any more value than a random person's thoughts on an imageboard. The value people put into research papers is a choice made by blind trust, sometimes not even that but just someone's need to put authority on something in an attempt to abuse it as a means to try and claim objective knowledge on something to feed their ego.
You may put your trust into anything your gut tells you feels right, but using that thing as anything other than a point of reference to come up with your own thinking or add as interesting material is annoying and doesn't help a discussion.

The only difference between me and any other clump of matter is that I happen to be ritualized into existence by a self-perpetuating machine, and I would cease to be present if that motion were to stop. Life after death is as incomprehensible as being alive and aware at all. I think it's extremely wishful thinking to imagine some "nothing" that happens after, more of an extension of the belief that things have to be perceptible by physical sense in order to be real. I doesn't make sense.

>>160777
>the latest developments in research trying to figure the consciousness out
integrated information theory? it's a pretty controversial idea for sure

>>160777
We're not trying to show off how smart or dumb we are, it's just a simple /qa/ thread. I haven't read any research whatsoever and I'm not going to do so either. If you have something interesting to say about it why not just share your thoughts on what you read?

>>160770
>For there to be a beginning, there has to be a nothing. What was before the beginning? Something? Then it was not the beginning. Logically it does not compute, for there to be a beginning there must be a nothing otherwise it was not the beginning.

There may have been something that we don't know about. Something that caused the beginning of this universe. I'm no astrophysicist so I can't begin to guess what it could be.

>>160771
>Also if the same condition that caused nothing to be something is fulfilled when something turns back into nothing, then logically nothing will again become something.

Not necessarily. There might be multiverses which are born and die independently. Ours might be one of these. After maximum entropy has been reached it would just continue existing in that state indefinitely.

As much as I'd love to have a schizo theory, I'm just not capable of such thinking
When you die you simply shut off and that's it
It does sound daunting but there's no regret or sadness in death, simply nothing
It almost sounds relieving in a way

>>160786
Okay I get what you're trying to say now.

I'm REALLY biting my tongue HARD ITT. The way the basics are mishandled and misunderstood makes me very upset.

>>160809
How can there be "basics" for a question that asks you for your own personal beliefs?

>>160809
Dumb philosophtard

>>160809
I think your problem with this thread is really just that you think it's a scientific journal and not just a discussion for what people think. You don't even post your own thoughts, just complain.

>>160809
maybe when spike resurrects 4taba we can execute all the vagueposters that's my hope at least

We have always been at war with the non-committal vagueposters, but unable to surpass their indeterminate opinions or thoughts.

To those that believe this is it I'll tell you why I think we continue to exist post death.

Someone very close to me died 8 years ago. After they died I moved into their house and ended up sleeping in their bedroom. I didn't move any of their stuff and kept the room just as it was. I even slept on their hard as a board mattress. I moved in to take care of their wife so there would still be a man in the house.

About a month after I moved in and 3 months after they died something strange happened to me that I can't explain. I was laying in bed one night. It was really late. Middle of the night. I laying on my left side trying to fall asleep in the middle of the bed.

Well I feel something sit on the bed behind me. At first I thought it was the cat jumping in bed but I realized whatever it was it had to be much larger. The mattress was sagging from the weight of something that was as large as a person. I kind of got freaked out by it but eventually I turned over really quickly and looked at it. Indeed there was a large imprint in the bed like someone was sitting on it but nothing was there.

I starred at it for what must of been several minutes. I was trying to figure out what could have caused this but I came up with nothing. Then whatever it was sat up out of bed and the mattress returned to its normal place. Then I watched the bedroom door open and shut like someone had left the room. Then I saw the door to my Grandmother's bedroom open and close across the hall. I could tell because she slept with a night light and I could see it through the crack in my bedroom door. We always left them cracked because the cat hated closed doors and would yell loudly if he couldn't open them.

I got up to check and there was no one in the house or in her room. I walked the entire house with a gun. No one was there. It was around 2am.

The next morning at breakfast unprompted my Grandmother told me she had dreamed about my Grandfather and the dream was very vivid. She said he told her everything was alright and to not worry about dying and that they'd be together again soon.

So I assume it was him coming to visit after he died. I can't explain it otherwise. A few days later my father said he had a similar dream and my brother said something came and sat in the bed with him too. Both of them lived in different houses close by.

I used to be all-in on the science thing and this is all their is. But science can't explain the big questions and the universe is frankly too fucking strange to be what they claim it is. I'm all-in on the matrix theory of things now. That we're more than just meat sacks. I'm pretty sure the brain is just an antennae of some sort and we exist elsewhere and control these meat sacks remotely. We have memories wiped when we enter this place because otherwise it wouldn't be any fun.

>>160820
Actually this wouldn't suggest afterlife or lack thereof per se, these are easy to explain as somatic and unconscious biophysical & environment patterns. Causal residue rather than personal essence regaining a shade of previous form to visit. Of course, to be fair, this wouldn't be the only possible explanation.
I believe I should post this to broaden kissuers' perspectives beyond kneejerk Freudian reductionism and undifferentiated impressionistic woo.

>>160820
>We have memories wiped when we enter this place because otherwise it wouldn't be any fun.
I've also thought about this. If people knew there was this and that then nothing would stop people from just killing themselves to roll a new character so it is vital that we actually don't know so people actually decide to live their lives. Society would collapse if everyone just killed themselves trying to get rich every time. And imagine how much fun it was to discover anime the first time, imagine being able to watch things for the first time again, eating foods for the first time again. Hell just imagining being a toddler and seeing an Elephant for the first time and how insane that must be makes me excited to think about.

>>160747
i just hope it isn't nothing

>>160828
I wish it was nothing. Get me off this ride

>>160820
>We have memories wiped when we enter this place because otherwise it wouldn't be any fun.
You get your memories wiped so you stay stuck here forever.
If you reincarnate with your memories intact the accumulation of knowledge will force you to break out of this system sooner or later.
Eventually you will start asking the fundamental questions (who am i? what am i? where am i?) and start poking around in your consciousness and then it's game over.
Well... for the ones ultimately dissatisfied with this world. The rest would probably be content to languish like animals for eternity.

Imagine you needed to beat Majora's Mask but every time you lost you lost all your memories. How many eons will it take you before you finally won?

>>160841
>You get your memories wiped so you stay stuck here forever.
Yeah I see this posted rather often all over the internet. I've never seen anyone mention it IRL because people are usually either all-in on the religion thing or all-in on the science.

People say the moon or something else in orbit is there to trick us when we die into coming back down here. They say the religious figures or old family members that greet you when you die are a trick. Along with the light. That if you avoid them you won't end up coming back here. Instead you can do whatever you want or go some place else.

They say if you question Jesus/whoever or the old "family members" that greet you that you can find out easily they aren't legit. Just ask them some questions and they'll trip over themselves and start getting angry and insisting that you follow them to "paradise". In reality you just get your memory wiped and sent back down to suffer some more in the first available body.

I often wonder if that's why the rich people are so against the population growing larger. They don't want new souls coming into this place. Who knows.

I just know something really strange is going on.

>>160842
Speaking of the moon. The moon is really odd. Science can't explain it. Total bullshit theory about how something hit the Earth and that's why the moon is there. But we can't find anything else is such a large body orbiting it.

I often go out and night and look at the moon. It's really strange. Sometimes it changes color (not eclipse) and if you look at it throw magnification you can see some kind of wave going across it from time to time. The moon is really strange.

>>160843
>Total bullshit theory about how something hit the Earth and that's why the moon is there. But we can't find anything else is such a large body orbiting it.
See, this is the problem with debating consciousness: it's prime grounds for kookery. Leave that stuff for somewhere else.

>>160843
I hate the modern web so much. Have to link to this guy's video because the original has been taken down.

This is what I'm talking about. I've seen a lot of these since I was a kid. I always had a telescrope by my bed growing up and a large window I could look at the moon and stars through. I've seen this so many times. It's really strange.

They're waves that go across the moon's surface. Like it's being redrawn or something. I'm not saying the moon isn't real. In fact, I think it was placed there on purpose by something or someone. Lots of theories about it being a space ship or something. We don't have life on the Earth without the moon. At least not life as we know it.

The moon also effects moods from what I can tell. Lots of stories about the full moon making people go a bit bonkers. Local police and hospitals say they always get more problems with people during full moons. I usually wake up in the middle of the night during full moons for no good reason. I often end up going outside to look at it for awhile.

Some anon on /x/ posted charts about there being some large object you have to dodge upon death or you end up coming back here memory wiped. I can't find them in archives or I'd share them. He was into the old we're all a small piece of a bored God thing. That eventually if you work hard enough you can work your way back up the chain and merge with it again. Says the God split itself into pieces because it was bored and wanted to learn. The only way to learn was sending pieces out of itself to experience emotions and hardships+conflict. That everything you learn in your live(s) eventually goes back to "source" I think he called it. He said some souls have rebelled and refuse to merge with it again. Those are the "evil" spirits. He also said that you could refuse to incarnate and become god-like if you wanted. That you could create your own worlds and all that.

I've personally been asking the "why are we here?" and "What's the point" questions since I was a child. I've noticed that most people don't think about those things. They're so busy and consumed with day-to-day life that they don't have the time or energy.

>>160844
How is disagreeing with mainstream "kookery"? Every major scientific break through came from someone that questioned the status quo and eventually their ideas were accepted as the new status quo. Every last major figure in science was like that and they usually weren't worshiped as a deity of science until they died.

I've noticed that people way too into science/academia are very rude and dismissive whenever their beliefs are questioned. Ironically, this is the same thing people that are too far into the religions do whenever you question their beliefs. You are no different than someone that is all-in on Christianity or one of the off-shoots of the middle east religions. Who wants to silence and sometimes put anyone to death that doesn't think they way they do.

People like you always assume people that don't believe the same way as you are stupid. In reality most of us have spent years reading everything within the sciences that we could get our hands on. I made the mistake of ignoring the various religious texts growing up. I wish I hadn't. There was a lot of good information there and they're some of the oldest books we have. I learned a lot about what humans were doing 2,000+ years ago by reading them. I was able to read them without becoming a convert.

Mainstream science and those old religious book all suffer from the same problem: They can't explain the nature of this place. There are large gaps in the knowledge on both sides. The only way to fill in those gaps with answers is to read everything you can, experiment and think outside of the box.

Here is a good example of what I'm talking about. A guy believed the Earth was flat. He decided to build his own rocket and ride it to see for himself. His rocket exploded (probably due to sabotage) and he died.

What does the mainstream do? They laugh at him and call him an idiot. They lampoon him and play this story on every major television station in the country. I'm sure his family and friends really appreciated that...

This man was awesome and he had balls. How many other people do you know building rockets in their shed and attempting to fly them up into space? He shouldn't be laughed at. He was obviously pretty smart if he could build his own rocket. He'd ridden it several times before the last flight that killed him.

At the very least he shouldn't be slandered by the media after his death. The guy wasn't even in the ground and his family and friends were in mourning. They should have been allowed to bury him and mourn without having to deal with the MSM and everyone on the internet laughing at him.

You can think he's wrong because he believed the Earth was flat. That's fine. But you have to respect him. He was practicing the scientific method. He was trying to verify his theory through work and experimentation. He was a scientist. Science isn't a dogma. It's a method. I think a lot of people forget that.

>>160843
pluto's moon is rather sizeable compared to it

>>160846
The guy swindled flat-earthers so they'd pay him for his passion projects
There are so many typew of planes you could take a ride in to get higher - including those with nothing isolating your eyes from the outside, not even a window
If leftists were smart, they'd recruit flatearthers too, because the latter are peak lumpenproletariat unable to afford a plane ride. Government propaganda systems already have them recruited for free, after all

>>160845
Magnetic/Solar Lunar winds and Moon redistributing Earth's pressure and gravity aren't quite mindblowers
What's really weird is - HOW COME the side of the Moon we see has an imprint on it that's corresponding with Earth's surface map? This isn't even much of a stretch of the map, especially for something so precise and abstracted. Theories of surface sunburn, impact markings make no sense. Of it's magnetic field imprinting, it's neither too accurate or too inaccurate to make sense, especially when there's still solar wind actively passing between the Moon and the Earth - i.e. Moon markings would fluctuate visibly hard. My only schizo hunch is that the Moon's surface was turned into a map by civilizations that needed it, before recorded history. You wouldn't even need a spacefaring type of advance, just lens systems channeling focused light from 10-100 millions of mirrors (depends on mirror quality, and if there are phase shift array calculatios and adjustments involved), and indefinite time (from centuries to a millennium). You don't even need to burn the surface, even heating it up as the magnetic field is disturbed and Sun chimes in would be enough over centuries. All the map warpings could be explained by: the capital of the civilization was on a small island AND/OR pre-flood territories are included AND/OR they just fucked up because it WOULD be difficult to organize this with accuracy AND/OR scope creep - begin with mapping some island but concede on rushing the rest of the known map with less drawing space left AND/OR only the corresponding part is the map, the restbare natural patterns left as-is. You wouldn't even quite detect mirrors as an archeologist, because they break down into sand. Yoi wouldn't need frames for the mirrors. Ancient civilizations of recorded history did riskier and crazier stuff for less payoff, and leaving recorded history on something as non-transient as Moon is human nature's biggest wet dream.

A lot of astronomy topics of tension are astroturfed by well-poisoners just to hide the fact that the Moon landing was fake propaganda victory and NASA keeps wasting taxpayer money on bullshit, in a 1/2 proportion with real stuff. SpaceX took off for a good reason. Doesn't mean that the astronauts aren't made to be silent on phenomena that's just weirder than "aliens!" narratives. Actually yeah, that's a thing the astroturfing is made to misdirect from, as well.