And of course, how could I forget the king of them all. Rick Rolling doesn't work anymore because of embeds unfortunately.

SAW it

>>121454
Oh no! You know that I demonstrated my naivety regarding the masking of files as youtube links.

But either way, there are still a variety of options for you to sneak stuff in where others don't expect it.
(like uploading it to catbox.moe after putting a frame of something else in front)

>>121455
>(like uploading it to catbox.moe after putting a frame of something else in front)
you can use kissu's own ffmpeg frame select thing for that
but its not frame accurate i had a hell of a time trying to select this particular frame of a clip for example

>>121455
>>121456
Now I regret it not doing it like that. Fuck. It would've been perfect for the thread. Have this image instead.

>>121458
And yes I know the filename gives it away, but maybe there's a chance someone here hasn't seen it before since it's so old.

It's hard for anything to gain meme status when so many of the posters are divided into small isolated general threads.

dumb regretard

>>121458
I duckrolled a few boards not long ago, one person also continued my duckroll to another board.
End result was mostly people telling everyone else it was just a picture of a duck and to stop clicking and some seemingly not even knowing what duckroll is. Then I got temp banned on all boards for encouraging crossboard raiding because of a few links that ended up at a duck. No wonder I never see anyone else duckrolling in the year of twenty twenty four. It was worth it for my own amusement though.

>>121468
Yeah the mods being no fun allowed faggots are definitely one of the main contributing reason's for 4chan's cultural decline. These are the same people that banned Sakurafish despite being a longstanding tradition and even a banner there. I really don't understand what goes on in their empty heads.

>>121471
While I disagree with the ban of Sakurafish, I understand the reasoning behind it.
At the time, they were planning to curb generals. Their approach was terrible and shortlived. Ultimately, they just temporarily killed copypaste OPs. The generals survived, through minor alterations. Sakurafish did not.

INTERNET OVERDOSE seems like a spiritual successor to what OP describes, though not exclusive to imageboards.

>>121477
Yeah there's also things like vid related which is similar, but this seems like stuff imported from TikTok. Phonk music is a huge meme there.

>>121478
No thats from youtube, another meme google astroturfed through recommendations

>>121451
/a/ meme songs were popular though r/a/dio, which lost a lot of relevancy after it was banned

>>121480
Yes, I think the last ones that were a big hit there were CAUSE I FEEEEEEEEEEEEL, DATABASE DATABASE and ME!ME!ME!.

>>121460
This + the sheer amount of content obscures things that might have previously made it to the same cultural heights. Last year had those Oshi no Ko OP mixes and there were others like OniMai that saw memetic use within certain subcommunities, but it's just harder to get universal spread.

>>121471
I don't really like how this became the primary example of anti-culture mods because the thread was a literal Discord circlejerk by that point, but admittedly it did end up being a ban on board culture and funposting instead of a ban on eternal chatroom threads like it should have been. I've also been banned from /a/ for posting 4chan banner images before.

>>121487
>Discord circlejerk
Really? It didn't seem that way to me.

>>121489
It didn't start that way, but morphed into one by the time it was over, as threads of that nature always do. There were images of his posts in the server telling his "fishies" about the ban. I liked the fish, but the people in those threads were far from your average /a/nons at that point. The Santa Yui countdown getting silently nuked was a much more egregious example of mods destroying culture in my eyes.

>>121496
Hmm that's kind of disappointing to hear. I wasn't aware of that. But let's be honest here: we are just biased against discord as a platform in general. If he did that on irc instead I don't think either of us would care about it.

Also, I remember reading at the time that the 'justification' for banning it was that it was encouraging people to make similar 'spam' threads of that nature, which is why Santa Yui suffered collateral damage.

The IRC circlejerks have been absolved...

>>121500
What you assume about someone that uses irc is different than what you assume about someone that uses discord. THat's what I meant.

>>121499
I'm not. I use Discord for projects, the platform has its uses. I also hate the IRC faggots for their raiding and for spawning VEGfag as a final curse on the world. Any off-site community that tries to carve out a space for itself on 4chan like they would on any other social media site is a cancer that moves the place even farther away from being a site-based community like it used to be. And yes, I know it started as a SA playground, it evolved from there.

>>121503
>I also hate the IRC faggots for their raiding and for spawning VEGfag as a final curse on the world
This made me remember that Siztra and his gang also used irc to organize and shit up /a/. So yeah, while an irc user is generally better than a discord one both of them can be bad. I just have a hard time seeing the Sakurafish guy as malicious and if he used irc instead I would be less judgemental.

>>121451
>>121477
>>121479
I honestly don't think it's as soulless as you think, what bothers me is how videos and songs going viral doesn't mean anything now. The internet forgets meme songs (more like trends now) in about a week or 2, maybe a month if they are lucky but that's something everyone here knows. Japanese drew anime cat parodies and did covers of chipi chipi and that died soon, for example. Same with Shukusei!!. Imageboards don't appear to be origin of many of them now and I assume that's because more creative people used to frequent them before, people wanting notoriety for their OCs instead of doing it purely for the lulz and what anons here have said about their own culture changing.

I notice they tend to last longer if they are new songs with mainstream appeal and a meme becomes associated (or comes attached) with them like internet overdose. Shukusei also lasted longer than expected but it was a only a 1 year old song that got ¨resurrected¨. It's not the same and some of us may not like it but I believe ¨viral¨ tiktok samples/dances are relevant to the current meme song Zeitgeist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXtc20TG44Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSGyKmj5ep4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HYQJu6YK1k

>>121503
Agreed.

>>121506
>It's not the same and some of us may not like it but I believe ¨viral¨ tiktok samples/dances are relevant to the current meme song Zeitgeis
I didn't say they weren't, but it's just not comparable to something like Galo Sengen. I should've mentioned that in the OP post. This song was basically /v/'s identity back in 2011. TikToks are easily forgotten like you said. Galo Sengen made a huge impact on /v/'s board culture.

I've said this quite a few times before, but the biggest issue with Discord vs IRC is that discord directly competes with imageboards. IRC has severe limitations on it which means it can never be a substitute for an imageboard. But discord is basically designed to be its own separate internet, complete with image hosting.
I've never seen modding communities disappear and die off because they moved to IRC, but game modding is in terrible shape if you enjoy doing it yourself instead of just downloading it, because so many tools and lots of information is locked behind dozens of discords. (although lots of mods are only hosted there too, so being a mod "consumer" greatly suffers as well).

I guess the main point is that IRC was something people talked in, but 4chan was their main hangout. When people do the discord thing they just gradually spend more and more time there. And even with IRC's limitations it still had a bad habit of sapping activity from kissu in the past.

I'll write a reply about the meme stuff later...

>>121504
He wasn't malicious anymore than the people who keep posting GochiUsa general are malicious, they're just outsiders using the board for their own purposes. I don't think Sakurafish was really doing significant harm to the board, but current /a/ proves that a bunch of people like that laying down roots detracts from the overall community.

>>121506
I think monetization has also been a big factor in how and where these things are created. The big internet creators used to be successful if their songs and videos let them open donation links and make some extra cash, but now it's become normal for anyone who creates anything to have a patreon and the things that really go viral can earn you obscene amounts of money from all the norms browsing youtube without adblock. It's kind of like how all the flash games that used to be free on Newgrounds are now indie games charging $10 on Steam or Itch. It's accepted that people will pay for things we used to assume they wouldn't and you'd be a fool to give up your chance to be set for life, no matter how slim, just to contribute more to a dying culture.

>>121512
This reminded me that the 4chan Cup is a pretty good source for meme songs that are relevant to each board. It is true a lot of them have been the same for a long time, though. /f/ is the best team in this regard since they have different music for every team they play against.

>>121517
>biggest issue with Discord vs IRC is that discord directly competes with imageboards.

I think the biggest issue with Discord vs. IRC is the same issue with old style forums/imageboards vs. social media. Mainly, that the former are "platforms" to use the modern parlance while that latter are protocols/software for communication. That's the main difference between early internet and what we've gotten since about 2007-2010.

If you didn't like the rules or how rules were being enforced on an IRC server or imageboard you could grab the same software stack and create your own. You could even integrate with the server you didn't like and share users while mostly having your own rules. Of course a lot of people broke this on purpose (as we're seeing with the modern twitter clones) but at least there was the option.

With Discord and other forms of modern social media you're locked into their "platform" where you're forced to follow their rules. You can lose access to your account or the community you've spent years building at any time for any reason. There isn't really any place to go and it's hard to get the rest of the people to follow you to whatever new place you've created. It feels foreign. They have to register yet another account which only grants them access to a small start-up community. There is probably no way for them to access it via a cell phone. As the admin if you want to offer something like an "app" you're forced to follow certain rules and user agreements in addition to paying for access to a store front. For example, providing an iPhone app for your users requires that you both own a Mac computer and pay a yearly subscription fee in excess of $150. Even then you aren't given any guarantees that your application will be accepted. If you go the other path and attempt to design a website front-end that works with cell phones you're stuck doing a bunch of hacky stuff like the old days when you had to conform to the IE way of doing things just because most of your potential user base was on Windows.

This doesn't even get into the problems with ddosing, reverse proxy servers, applying for TLS certs and all the other stuff required for your website to load in a browser while being marked "safe".

Anyway, the main difference between old web and new web boils down to that protocol vs. platform thing. Old web was designed around a set of protocols that worked everywhere that people would port to new hardware for free. This new stuff is a walled garden by default. Once people are in that garden it's very hard to get them back out of it. Most of them do not care about open access to information or the fact that they're being datamined. As long as some expert tells them it's safe and they're mostly being left alone they don't care about censorship or the lack of content. They're happy to doom scroll through fear and rage porn all day. Most of them will never create anything much less want to run their own community. UNLESS money and clout is involved. Which they can get a lot more of both in the walled gardens than they'd ever get outside of them.

>>121517
>>121563
It's nice to see that kissu still keeps this 4/qa/ tradition of having posts about internet history/ internet culture. It was one of the things which originally attracted me to it.

This is derailing my thread a bit but I don't mind.

>>121571
I don't think it's a derail. I just didn't explain why the difference matters.

What you are basically pointing out is the difference between real open communication by people and modern curated trends backed up by bot armies and walled gardens. This spread organically and hung around longer back then because there wasn't as much overt censorship, people were actually talking to each other instead of over each other and there wasn't an artificial push for engagement.

Independent websites like imageboards just wanted people to come hang out on them. True there were people chasing advertising money but the advertising network wasn't built into the very core of the website. The owners of such places weren't trying to maximize engagement day after day to drive up the stats.

Now with the walled gardens there is this need to have engagement increase day after day much like the way modern companies are run where they do not think of anything but the next quarterly earnings reports. As a result things get artificially promoted everyday. Usually things designed to cause outrage and hate. Since people are more prone to engaging with things that make them mad. So the studies have shown anyway.

It doesn't have anything to do with people. It has to do with how those people are communicating with each other now. The speed is the same as the 90s-2010s. Things would hang around for longer now if they were still using protocols and software designed as communication tools instead of using "platforms" designed as advertising hubs.

>>121451
>>121506
>The internet forgets meme songs (more like trends now) in about a week or 2, maybe a month if they are lucky but that's something everyone here knows
It's not just meme songs, all new culture is now quickly forgotten. It's because everything is now cynically designed to be disposable and easily digestable to game the algorithm for maximum points and currency. This isn't the actual truth of course it's just a metaphor for how things are and one that is all too familiar.
Take music for example: all the old songs and artists of the 20th century are still relevant even if they're no longer the "new thing" and they'll still be playing on the radio in the years to come. but all the new ones are quickly forgotten. A new song will trend for a few months and then it's dead and nobody will ever remember it existed in a few years. Which is essentially describing the situation the OP is mentioning.
I think it's why both nihilism and spirituality is on the rise. Things come and go, appear and disappear, they scream and shout and then they leave no trace behind, dust to dust, ashes to ashes. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.
In the face of such an existence it's either that or you double down on sticking your head in the sand and becoming a cog in the machine.

Gurdijeff said humans are robots and he's right, but what's happening is that this truth is now inexorably coming to light and maybe permanently. Before the Human narrative was able to occlude it. For example, getting a job. Nobody questioned that it was the Correct Path it was the way things are, now a lot question what's the point in getting a career if you're going to lose all your time with a job. Everyone's beginning to wonder what's the point in working the 9-5 grind so you can pay your taxes and buy a house and grease the wheels of the system.
The algorithmicization of everything has revealed the machinelike existences humans live. (Was this a fatal error the engineers overlooked? Not sure.)
You can tell by the words people are using now like "soul/soulless" like OP used. "Soul" is a spiritual and philosophical term which has absolutely nothing to do with art and yet now people are using it all the time to describe things that carry actual value and meaning deeper than their nominal socioeconomic value.

It might be why everyone is so enamored with AI. Some insightful anon said the AI they're building is still unconscious which means all those AI images are actual dreams it's having. People clawing their way desperately trying to return to dreamland.

"the algorithm" is the modern day version of "the chemicals"

>>121626
>the old songs and artists of the 20th century are still relevant even if they're no longer the "new thing" and they'll still be playing on the radio in the years to come. but all the new ones are quickly forgotten.
That's just recency bias talking. You already forgot most of the songs from the 20th century, and the ones that are still relevant, well, they're the lucky ones that won.
>Everyone's beginning to wonder what's the point in working the 9-5 grind so you can pay your taxes and buy a house and grease the wheels of the system.
How does thinking about such things make us robots?
>"Soul" is a spiritual and philosophical term which has absolutely nothing to do with art
That's not the actual problem here. Concepts intermingle all the fucking time. 90% of language is metaphors.
The biggest issue is that soul/soulless has never been decently defined beyond "good" or "bad" respectively. Nothing specific is being described; as such it's just a vague insult to throw around.

>>121626
> they'll still be playing on the radio in the years to come.
i'd like to propose that people currently listening to the radio for music are exactly 20th century grandpas.
when i look at my radio (the algorithm) it proposes tracks from my youth, and probably will for years to come.

> Everyone's beginning to wonder what's the point in working the 9-5 grind so you can pay your taxes and buy a house
what i see is people lamenting that this doesn't actually feel possible anymore. people feel their grind can only enable the boss of their boss to buy another house. people feel constantly dissapointet by governments implementing policy to direct wealth upwards. i feel it has nothing to do with ~algorithms~

Also I want to say that I find art deeply spiritual

>>121627
And people were right about both.

>>121639
They are "right" about chemicals and algorithms in a meaningless way. You may as well warn people about "humans".
Yes, they are dangerous, and their use should be regulated, but they are also useful and diverse and in any case everywhere and unavoidable.

>>121451
i think its just that imageboards are just not the center of memes anymore, other sites generate memes and maybe they get co-opted by imageboards?

>>121626
Taylor Swift seems fairly popular and she seems to have a dedicated following that presumably do remember and care about her songs.
I think we have to remember that we are on the outside, I have never even heard a Taylor Swift song, maybe you have not either. That entire world is something that we never interact with so to us it could be easy to say that nobody cares about modern music but that's just because we don't.

I think 'Soulless' is an apt term for it since modern trends aren't really made by humans but instead algorithmically driven with people not really having much of a say in the matter.

>>130252
The mistake you're making is you think people that care about Taylor Swift are people. They are not people. They are cattle. That's why they watch TV and gossip about whatever the TV is gossiping about.

Anon is not like this. He has refined tastes that are not driven by advertising agencies and propagandists. The reason imageboards no longer spawn memes is because they are not allowed to spawn memes. Anon weaponized memes and the other side fought back. They flooded all our homelands and spread us to the four corners of the globe. We are no longer allowed to operate as a real community anymore. This is a trick. It keeps the TV watching zombies contained within the walls of the largest propaganda service ever conceived by man. Where they can be drip fed content curated by the propaganda overlords and any original content can quickly be silenced and censored before it's seen by more than 10 people.

Let's use your Taylor Swift example; She does not write her own lyrics. She does not produce her own music. She does not design her own costumes. She does not design her own sets. She never interacts with her fans (zombies) in any kind of real way. She does not hold handshake events. She does not appear anywhere organically. She does not have a real boyfriend. She's not even a real woman. But she (he) is an effective mouth piece for the people doing all of these things. Taylor Swift is not a bigger draw than the Superbowl no matter how much the TV tells you that lie on repeat. She's is artificially promoted like most everything else in this horrible world.

We should be thankful for Taylor Swift. It prevents more of the zombies from discovering real content like we consume. Thus ensuring that we can continue to consume it without worrying about what the zombies would demand be changed the moment their TV-kami started telling them to hate on repeat.

The world makes a lot more sense when you start to understand how much of it is really fake.

The only reason glorious Nippon cartoons even became popular in the west originally was due to the fact that people sought out content outside of this fake TV zombie curated garbage. Mainstream social media is just TV 2.0. It's a walled garden where all the dumb zombies can be contained so they don't infect the rest of mankind with their bad tastes and stupid opinions. The only difference between 2014 and 2024 is the fact that in 2014 actual people could still form large communities and discuss and promote content outside of the mainstream. Sadly, this is no longer possible until we figure out a way to have more than 10 people on a website without angering the powers that be.

Long story short; We flew too close to the sun.

>>130273
We are all cattle, memes themselves are the product of cattle. If you use or create memes, you are cattle.

Regarding Taylor Swift, a quick google search says that she does actually write her own music. But I do get your point, most pop singers don't. But then that's not really new or even restricted to pop music. Most Opera singers don't write their own operas nor do they design their own costumes and sets. Taylor Swift probably has more input in regards to her costume and sets than most Opera singers do. And a lot of what you are saying could very easily be applied to Idols as well.

I don't think your average Taylor Swift fan would care about what we watch, I think most of her fanbase are western girls and young women, though having said that many of them probably do read manga and watch anime and such. The average fan probably does not but I think there would be a lot that do.
I think if people like Taylor Swift and not anime then that's fine, everybody has their own interests.

It depends on what you mean by fake. Because everything could easily be called fake, you could be called fake, I could be called fake. Taylor Swift clearly is a real person and she clearly does make music that people like, not you or I but people none the less. The fact that she writes he own songs means she is more authentic than much of what I listen to, most of the cute anime songs probably aren't song by the people that wrote them.

It feels weird to be defending Taylor Swift but here I am...