No.109659
The vast majority of popular subreddits have gone private because reddit is starting to charge for API access for third-party apps.
https://reddark.untone.uk/ No.109661
>>109659Oh WOOW that is an absurd amount of subs. But is it permanent or temporary? I clicked on one at random and it said 48hrs, and I'm not sure that's impactful enough to truly stop the monetization hike.
>>109660I don't like leddit either, but I believe its death would be a bad thing. The people who browse it aren't gonna go back to forums or the like, they'll go to discord or social media. It'd be a net negative.
No.109662
>>109661It'd be a net positive in the long run. Reddit is too good at capturing and ensnaring communities because of its ease of use, and easily marketable branding. Discord is too private to make a difference and social media is too much of a mess to have detailed discussions.
No.109663
>>109662Yes, yes, destroy all that information because I don't like the format. Very intelligent.
No.109664
>>109662so in the case that reddit dies (which is unlikely IMO, i reckon it's too big to fail at this point), where would its communities go to? for some of the bigger subreddits like r/funny or r/videos mainstream social media could probably suit them just fine, but i can't picture some of its more niche communities going back to the old school forum format.
i for one have never made a reddit account, but i think it can be useful for when you don't want to browse through kuso listicles or if you're researching a niche hobby. it was useful when i was researching cacti growing.
No.109665
>>109662Maybe, I'm not sure. There's already been a good deal of people complaining about it, like this rare decent Kotaku article from 2021:
https://kotaku.com/please-stop-closing-forums-and-moving-people-to-discord-1847684851And our AI friend has complained about models and stuff being blocked behind servers. It's true, you can't have the same interactions, but that doesn't mean those interactions will come back.
No.109666
I'm amazed there's an advice animals subreddit with over five million users. Those things have been dead longer than half the internet has been alive.
>>109662The types of people who use reddit over traditional forums are the types who are either too ignorant to go outside the half-dozen biggest websites or who go for the largest possible audience. We didn't see an explosion in blog sites when tumblr killed itself, we saw its users migrate to Twitter, Reddit, and 4chan, bringing their cancerous ideas with them. The big communities will go to other big communities, the niche communities will content themselves with their Discord circlejerks, and none of the information they put out will be readily available via search engines. Leddit may be terrible for conversation, but it provides infinitely more utility than its peers and is probably the one that least needs to die right now.
No.109667
>>109666>We didn't see an explosion in blog sites when tumblr killed itself, we saw its users migrate to Twitter, Reddit, and 4chan, bringing their cancerous ideas with them.honestly i didnt notice a thing
No.109668
damn I guess I should start saving stories from my favourite subreddit /r/rapekink
No.109670
>>109664A lot, I think, have temporarily moved to Discord, although the functionality is different enough that I doubt it could really serve as a proper replacement (and annoyingly is a lot less accessible for use-cases like yours).
I doubt most of the actual niche communities will be going anywhere anyway though, since the majority of the discontent is coming from moderators, due to the changes impacting moderator tools, whereas most users will not be directly affected and smaller subs need less high-intensity moderating than the large ones that are featuring prominently in the blackout.
I also get the impression that Reddit is in general less 'community-focused' than traditional forums and the like, with the majority of users viewing posts from a wide range of subs on their homepage, rather than having a strong connection to any one sub in particular, which means it is very unlikely that most subs could successfully organize an exodus of more than a small core group of users to another platform.
No.109671
In 4 years: Discord is destroying itself?! What now
No.109672
This Reddit debacle is just the beginning. All the big players like Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Google, Twitch, Microsoft, Apple, etc. are going down. Big Tech is finished. The Age of Big Data is over.
Pluto is entering Aquarius. The traditional central pillars that defined this past decade and a half will collapse... Revolutions are coming...
Dissent. Insurrection. Defiance. Rebellion.
We will see another spirited resurgence of alternative imageboards that marked that late 10's a few years ago. But not just imageboards, forums, personal websites, video sharing platforms, everything. It will be reminiscent of the early internet if not equal in tone.
However the widespread fetishism of traditional values is over, for now anyways. We're not going back to the stone ages to live some moronic pastoral fantasy like the Amish, in fact we will only see technology become even more dominant and advanced than it is now.
Tech is the name of the day. AI for everyone, local AI. AAA gaming is dead, indies and AA games are the new way. Hacking and modding scenes will be revived. The vtubing scene is going to expand beyond Hololive and Nijisanji dominance. Piracy will grow.
In general, decentralization, the rise of tech, a return of individualism, and revolutions.
If anyone wants to create a decentralized free internet by and for individuals, this is the time to act.
The bigger they are...
The harder they fall...
No.109673
>>109671Given it is already catching flack for the current username debacle, it would hardly surprise me.
No.109674
When I read the statement from that Discord founder where he basically argues "half of people don't know their discriminator number anyways" it just sounds like a bullshit reason to hide a more vested interest.
It's 4 digits man and they were easy to look up anyways, no fucking way.
No.109675
>>109672it's here......
the hacker age has begun.................
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No.109676
>>109672FurAffinity will be the next big social network
No.109677
>>109672I think Saudi Arabia will either make a social network for the west or straight up buy one of the existing ones with their flurry of investment in western things, I think that will be interesting. Tencent is trying to make a zoom competitor
No.109678
>>109662>Reddit is too good at capturing and ensnaring communities because of its ease of useMy buddy owned and operated a Star Wars fan project forum. Now he moderates Star Wars subreddits and their associated discord hidey holes for the actual developers and their orbiters.
I think that's how most communities end up subsumed by Reddit, the Jannie types themselves really dig it. It's even more curated than the most autistic of the old vbulletin forums. It's kind of their wet dream.
No.109679
Reddit gives the people who would otherwise be stuffed into a subdomain on a forum aggregate a more easy way to create a following for hobby groups and have people come back to them.
Forums went less popular because they literally suck ass and you get similar centralization as booru.com
No.109680
>>109679>Reddit gives the people who would otherwise be stuffed into a subdomain on a forumi parsed this sentence like it was another way of saying "stuffed into a locker"
No.109681
>>109679booru.com is a failure since everyone is still on the other boorus like danbooru
No.109682
.org*
No.109684
>>109679>Forums went less popular because they literally suck assHow's a random forum different from an altchan, in terms of centralization?
No.109685
Reddit is definitely the lesser of evils to me. Yeah, it gobbled up lots of forums, but they're not coming back sadly. If reddit were to suddenly die, I think a huge chunk of people would be moving to discord or slack and similar platforms. Unfortunately, information and links posted there are not freely accessible. You can't run a search and find what you need.
This is perhaps why they want to attempt to monetize reddit- it's become a popular and somewhat democratic source of information, and yet it's not profitable. It's not fully embedded into society like world leaders using twitter or police departments using facebook, but it's definitely significant.
Just yesterday I googled to try and find a recipe for a salsa I like from a restaurant, but the only good result was a reddit page. Due to the protest blackout, I simply do not have access to that recipe. There could be tons of salsa discord groups out there, but I don't have access to them. How would I even find them if I wanted to? I would simply join dozens of them and then search each one manually to see if my desired recipe was there. It's the death of information.
By contrast, reddit performs a service and information is freely available. Where once you would get a bunch of different forums when you googled something like "how to fix toilet leak", you would instead increasingly find reddit links. (although some youtube too)
This is something that surely gets exploited, and I think part of the complaints by the reddit people is that some of the APIs run ads or have found other ways to monetize the data. I've even heard people train AI stuff on reddit posts. But, unfortunately, that's just how it works. Look at all the people that were able to monetize freely shared 4chan stuff.
No.109695
Even if reddit would be is kill'd, the damage it dealt to the internet won't be healed any time soon, culture or mechanical aspect wise (IE upvoting system which highly encourages you to be funnyman whenever possible even if you're delivering information).
I highly doubt that redditors would leave reddit for real though. It's a self-healing septic tank, for one. If they get bored of waiting for their favorite sub to come back they'll either erect a new one or just switch subs. If not, they'll probably just pop up some new website as an alternative to reddit.
Also, dramatic as the blackout is, its worth remembering that all of this is around third party extensions and phone app browsers for it. The moderators seem to complain about the default tools they're given to work with, but I imagine most standard users don't use third party apps or extensions that need an API.
No.109696
Reddits upvote system is like youtube's upvote downvote system.
Youtube removed their community rankings for algorithmic ones.
For every reason people didn't want dislikes removed is the reason why upvotes are good
No.109698
>>109695While I agree that the upvoting system is generally harmful, I feel that the adoption of similar voting systems by other platforms would've happened around the time it did regardless, since having such a metric for user engagement is a rather obvious way to determine what content to algorithmically promote. I'll give credit to Reddit over most similar systems though, for being one of the few with a downvote feature - a lot of people feel compelled to negatively engage with content they dislike, and downvotes are a less toxic means for that than having users constantly get into meaningless arguments.
No.109701
the upvote feature was a lot worse on forums where people are always going like "repped you mate"
No.109714
>>109695Upvotes are a very good system for what Reddit was designed for (aggregating content and sorting it by user-defined quality for your convenience). To be fair, this practice was a massive cancer to the communities creating that content, but that's another matter. Upvotes are terrible for the kinds of discussions imageboard/forum users aim for, but that's the same problem every other popular format has of people forcing it to be more than it was designed to be because they won't go outside of the big sites (e.g. long rants on Twitter or generals on 4chan).
I think the number of third party app users is probably higher than you'd expect since phoneposting is the preferred method for everything nowadays and their userbase isn't so tech illiterate that they can't look at app store pages for "Better Reddit Browsing+" or whatever. Lots of people suck mod cock as well, so there's that in their favor.
No.109715
why can't the redditors just use the url to browse?
No.109716
>>109714Everything wrong with thread/comment voting systems was already wrong with Slashdot before Reddit even existed.
The promise of the upvote is that it will cut through the noise to get to the signal. What it results in in reality is an uncrackable, reductive, consensus enforcing machine.
You could click on an article at slashdot 20 years ago and read the comments in your head before you scrolled down. Microsoft is evil. Bush is a tyrant. Look how smart I am I made a programming joke you'll get to feel smart for understanding too.
And you could make the same easy assumptions about what would be buried by downvotes. Someone saying Bush isn't a cartoon villain. Someone saying Microsoft isn't a gilded age Monopolist hiring Pinkertons to shoot union men.
None of this has functionally changed. What changes is the demographic of a specific site or subreddit that's doing the voting. But they always enforce a boring circlejerk of a nice safe, bell curve clipping consensus opinion.
No.109717
yeah on the rare occasion i check a sub for more than twenty minutes the comments end up feeling very samey
i guess ledditors get around this by subscribing to multiple subs
No.109720
>>109716The George Bush and Microsoft hatred feels nostalgic and quaint compared to now
No.109721
>>109716You've missed the point. Upboats on Reddit/Digg/etc. aren't there to encourage good comments, they're there to boost the funniest 4chan memes to the front page so you can be fed all the good stuff in 10 minutes without needing to engage with a community, hence their tag line. You don't read YouTube comments expecting intelligent discussion and you shouldn't for Reddit either. The format is designed to focus on OPs first and foremost. If you go there expecting imageboard discussions, of course you're going to have a bad time.
No.109729
i wonder what's my total /ec/ and /megu/ karma
No.109735
Seems like a couple thousand reopened after all. It maxed out at over 8K and is now sitting at about 5. Still could go either way, though I think its safe to bet on huffman at this rate.
No.109736
>>109721>You don't read YouTube comments expecting intelligent discussionSmaller youtube channels can have some. Youtube comments for certain communities are underrated
No.109785
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo-elon-musk-huffman-rcna89700>“Long story short, my takeaway from Twitter and Elon at Twitter is reaffirming that we can build a really good business in this space at our scale,” Huffman said. Seems like reddit is going to be a rollercoaster like twitter.
No.109792
The largest subreddit reopened and the overall locked subs are down to like 4.4K, and about half of the large ones are open with some being semi-permenantly open.
I think it's a clear win for huffman at this point. Figures though, when you think about it, the people who care the most are just the moderators who want better modding tools.
No.109794
>>109792Big tech wins again I guess.
No.109796
>>109795It's reddit, I feel a ton of redditors would kill for an opportunity to be placed in a position of power over large subreddits
No.109797
>>109795There are an unlimited amount of people who want power online over others compared to how many spots there are open for it
No.109798
>>109797there's more to having a successful place than just wanting it
No.109804
>>1097954chan gives its janitors no pay, no prestige, and no real ability to impact the site and there are still enough people willing to give their personal information away for a chance to delete things they don't like to fuel the war against the site's users. It's probably the worst setup you can offer without straight up charging them to work for you and yet it's enough. I'm pretty sure Reddit mods get to more-or-less run their subs and get to aggrandize themselves with mod tags, so there's way more reason to do that. The labor well is infinite, working conditions only matter when you care about courting skilled workers.
No.109805
>>109804i was implying positions past janitor. Like how on 8chan-like anyone can make a board but most suck. Since running a place that people want to visit is a skill. not everyone has the skilz
No.109806
>>109659Seems like half of them are back including most of the big ones so in the end nothing mattered anyways.
Sasuga reddit
No.109807
API is dead viva webscrapers
No.109808
>>109792The article I read ahead of time said it was planned to be 1-2 days long. The unusual ones are those that are still closed and I wonder how that's going behind the scenes.
No.109811
>>109721>so you can be fed all the good stuff in 10 minutes without needing to engage with a communityThe same exact thing I described happens to what community aggregators pick as headline content.
No.109825
Forgive me for linking reddit, but turns out there's been a discord group that's been brigading around where there's a vote to sway the votes towards shutting down.
https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/I'm kind of surprised that I hadn't even considered something like that, but yeah, wow.
This also calls into question of how many people actually do support this blackout shit. Even with the brigading, most votes came out more or less even...
No.109831
>>109825Consider this: if this is true, then the reverse is likely also true in the other direction.
No.109833
consider this: what is truth?
No.109851
>>109837I think the destruction is kind of the point, but I assume admins can just write a quick script to undo all the removals they did in x timespan so it will likely be all for naught. The only protest that anyone can actually commit to properly is simply to leave and get addicted to something else.
No.109870
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Reddit got haxxed.
No.109887
>>109871print("Hello World")
No.109979
>>109978>Asked if Reddit could confirm the reinstatement, Rathschmidt declined, saying, “I’m not going to set a precedent of confirming with The Verge every action we do or don’t take to ensure users can access their communities.”ehehehhehhhheh lmao
apart from that, it looks like the hack was back in february, with a ransom for which leddit hasn't paid
what has changed now is the hackers adding API stuff to their demands and saying they'll leak the data
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/19/tech/reddit-hackers-demands-api/index.html No.109980
It doesnt matter. People are gonna make a big stink and go to clones and all that but they'll eventually crawl back
No.110168
Reddit sucks anyways, and it’s users will always crawl back to it, and to Reddit clones as well.
No.110181
The craziest part of all this is how much demand reddit and twitter have over the alternatives.
API access is mainly effecting developers and devs can just set up a new site. And yet we have them making a fuss over it with boycot strategies.
No.110207
>>110181People never think how much it costs to host a site like Reddit
No.110268
>>109979>...they also silently censor their users?So? It's not like they're pretending otherwise. Reddit isn't supposed to be a "platform" for "free speech", it's the place where people go to look at (un)funny memes about video games that make them think "wow, so true". Every single aspect of the site, from subreddits to the voting system, is designed to give the average user the most comfortable, curated experience possible. To expect it to be something it's not is your problem, not theirs.
>>110207I would imagine running any community over a certain size would cost a fortune. Even ignoring the technical side of things, you'd have to hire a giant team of moderators to keep up with the deluge of content getting posted every day. It's why sites like Youtube make extensive use of automated systems to take care of anything that could theoretically be a problem.
No.110271
>>110268in terms of expenses, the issue is likely being too general in what you allow. A focused site can exist easily with high capacity.
You can look at a few of those hacker forums for example. Very focused and collapse from the idiocy of the owners.
No.110281
>>110268>it's the place where people go to look at (un)funny memes about video games that make them think "wow, so true".Its also a place where people get a very warped view of reality because of the way things are curated and that many redditors only social interaction is reddit. Its worse than Twitter in that way
No.110305
>>110281>many redditors only social interaction is redditReally? 4chan has plenty of them, sure, but most of the redditors I've met are just the "kind of nerdy" people who integrate a basic understanding of low-level internet culture into their riajuu lives. None of what I've seen there has enough of a sense of community to substitute for IRL friends.
No.112299
There was a moderator strike around the same time on stack exchange that recently concluded:
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/391847/moderation-strike-results-of-negotiationsThe negotiation mostly focuses on AI policy, but they also made stack exchange to announce commitment to API and datadump access, as they suspended datadumps earlier but reverted it due to heavy backlash.
They achieved a lot more than the reddit strike did which I think there wasn't any.
No.124081
>>109715>>109714Because those are not efficient systems and the official app outclasses any third party in terms of features. Reddit is not just a discussion site its an ecosystem.