I helped my cute mum garden in the past
I once followed the instructions on a beginner tulip growing kit and it grew but died later.
I have been thinking about getting a tiny cactus lately, but that's not exactly the same.
i've lived most of my life in an apartment and it's hard enough to keep 4 small plants alive and make sure they get enough sunlight from my pitiful window angles
I have an idea. What about mushrooms?
Silly but interesting idea.
Wow, I didn't think you could grow onions or shallots whatever those are in such a compact manner. There's over a dozen there i that little thing. Nice.
not surprising, doomsday guides frequently mention potatoes as something you can grow yourself in a tiny space
I just did.
(It's really annoying for me to get my flip phone to take a picture and get it to transfer into my computer via bluetooth. Maybe someday I'll do it again...)
The mewkledreamy guy having a flip phone is shocking
My mom planted some onions in a patch of dirt outside of her garden sometime in the 80's. They were still dutifully sprouting in that spot when we moved out in 06, long after the garden proper with its bag topsoil had died from neglect.
We did literally nothing to maintain them besides not eating every bulb.
Good shtf food. Or just something easy to start with.
Boy, indoor growing seems pretty complicated if you want to focus on growingn stuff that produces fruit and such. I read and watched a bunch of stuff about the light spectrum's influence on plants, like you want red light for plant growth and blue light for fruiting, or maybe it was the other way around. So instead of a white light, people sometimes use a light bar thing that has white lights, red lights, and blue lights, or some combination there.
This guy's channel does a lot of comparison videos which are fun to watch because you see time skip ahead and he talks about conditions and nutrition and stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7O8LuJzg3E
(he does hydroponics though and I don't think I want to do that since it's more involved than putting stuff in dirt)
But, these fancy growing lights are pretty expensive. Hundreds of dollars for the ones with the best properties that can penetrate layers of leaves. I think it's meant for people that are growing lots of stuff, so that's not me (yet?). Then there are these things called "grow tents" that keep in moisture and have reflective surfaces to minimize the wasting of photons by bouncing more light around. And also you need to manually pollinate these inside plants if necessary since they're away from helpful insects and birds.
This really makes you appreciate all the stuff that happens naturally if they're outside.
I still want to try growing some stuff inside, though, but I guess I need to find some layered shelf thing first and see what lights I can get to go with it.
Got a pot for my moon cactus recently, but it's a bit large. Need to get some soil for it to fill it out, but it seems wasteful to order an ~8 lb bag of soil to then only use maybe half a pound at most.
I have a nice cheap layered shelf from Home Depot that came with a greenhouse-like covering and cost me only 50 bucks. Somewhat like this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B7LSC4C3/
Wow, that's cheap. Well, I guess it's cheap because you need to buy a bunch of pots to go with it instead of the shelves being pots themselves.
I was looking stuff like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07S2TB2VN
But, most of these are ugly. Even if the plastic is rated 'food safe', it still seems like such a clash to have dirt and plants sitting in plastic containers. It should be soothing to look at it, like this https://www.amazon.com/Notume-Vertical-Planter-Flowers-Vegetables/dp/B097MSWHG3
But, that one doesn't seem as efficient space-wise, but it does seem like it'd be better at getting light to everything.
(I want this stacked stuff inside for herbs)
This stuff is more expensive than I thought it'd be.
>>105966>Even if the plastic is rated 'food safe', it still seems like such a clash to have dirt and plants sitting in plastic containers.
An important consideration when it comes to potting type is that different materials will cause the soil to hold moisture longer, or dry out quicker. For instance, typical terracotta pots are slightly porous, so soil will dry out more quickly after watering. Meanwhile, plastic pots will hold onto moisture for far longer. This may be better or worse depending on what's being grown and your own skill when it comes to watering (namely, that you're not overwatering). But, plastic does have some material benefits like generally being lighter and more durable, whereas terracotta is heavier and more fragile.
Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that part. The wooden one with an inner cloth seems nice, and since I'll keep it inside the wood won't rot. I now have a year under my belt of watering some houseplants so I think I kind of know how much to use now.
But, I also need to think of ways to keep my cat away from it. Maybe I can't use one that starts near ground level...
Maybe a bit of a sidetrack from a garden, but I think it fits the theme of the thread. What does /qa/ think about chickens?
I've heard they're pretty cheap and a bountiful food source that can provide you with about an egg a day, which can then be used for whatever you want. Most of 'amazing' features of backyard chickens I know of come from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSvhneC5VCY
but I've also heard my relatives talk all the time about how great they are as well. The only real issue I have with them is that they seem so good that I have to wonder if there's some hidden downside or limitation I'm missing that's keeping the majority of capable people from having them.
We used to have them at our old house but now we don't have a chicken coup so can't keep them and so we gave them to my grandma.
They are easy to look after and they do eat food scraps so that's good. As for limitations, they poo so there is that, roosters can be a pain both because of how loud they can be but also how aggressive they can be(though not all are) but you don't need to keep roosters.
And also if you live near foxes you REALLY need to remember to lock them up before it gets too late or you can risk losing them all. We used to live in the country and my siblings and I were at or dads house and mum went to the shops so she was late in locking up the chickens, when she came back it looked like they had all been killed.
Foxes can be quick and they will surplus kill, it was really distressing to my mum and she said she would never keep chickens again. Though, it turned out that two chickens did actually survive, they had managed to hide so we did not find them and so then we did keep keeping chickens and we eventually got more as well.
Chickens sound pretty interesting, but I don't really like the idea of having outdoor-only animals to keep when I spend so much time indoors forgetting that the outside world exists. I think I need to get accustomed to this gardening thing first and then see if I can see myself doing animal care for something other than a simple cat.
An egg a day sounds really amazing, I didn't think the numbers were that high. >>105995
Yeah, that video was pretty nice and I started watching his other stuff. He seems to live in a tropical paradise in that green zone of Australia, though, so it's important not to expect to have a similar experience on most of the planet. He has fruit trees fruiting in winter; it's hard to imagine.
probably has to do with how expensive they are over there
Tomatoes are popular garden plants because they're relatively easy to grow and tomatoes don't store/transport very well so it's hard to get good tomatoes at the grocery store. Also most of the grocery store varieties are bred more for looks than taste.
When looking at all this indoor plant info it finally hit me that a lot of these people are doing it for marijuana and not herbs and vegetables. Well, the information is still good, but the mystery of seeing so many different people interested in it is now solved. Suddenly it makes sense why these videos kept talking about removing odor, and it seems to be why these "grow tent" things exist? The only other stinky plant I'm aware of are strong herbs like basil. Man, that stuff was powerful when I was dumb enough to smell the plant in a store and almost gagged.
I'm looking at this light right now, but I'm wondering if it's overkill: https://www.amazon.com/Spider-Farmer-Dimmable-MeanWell-Spectrum/dp/B07TS82HWB
I want to have a setup where I can grow a bunch of seedlings until little plants and then move them outside. But, uhh.. if I don't use a grow tent (which I don't want) then I'd have to drill holes in the ceiling? Not sure about that...
yeah that's way overkill for starting seedlings to transplant outside. Those are meant more for permanent indoor growing operations.
If you have a south-facing window you don't even need an artificial light, can just put them in the windowsill. Other direction windows might work as well depending on your latitude, time of year, and type of plant.
Or they make smaller lamp-style lights that can be set up on any flat surface.
Yeah, the thing is that I think I also want to grow stuff inside, like herbs and maybe some little tomatoes. But, I can't just have them on the window because that's one of my cat's favorite spots. It looks like you can get a simple 'grow bulb' to attach to a lamp, so maybe something like that would work. I'm not sure if those are actually worth it when compared to a regular bulb, though. Growth light setup seems like the easiest solution, and I can dim it.
I was looking at pots and this seems like a pretty solution: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WWHQM3W
I read from this guy https://www.gardenmyths.com/fabric-pots-plastic-pots/
that the supposed benefits apart from appearance are negligible, but they still seem nice. I'm doubtful I'd buy them, but it's a cool idea for decorative stuff. As a side note, this site seems very informative.
Pic related seems cool, but not $300 cool. (It's just one of them, not the stack).
I guess, at the very least, I need to buy seeds soon. I think I already missed the window for growing Spring stuff directly from the ground.
pic of cat on windowsill
I think you are overthinking it, really people just like to have space and lawns provide space while being easier to look after than a whole garden.
Speaking personally, I'd blow my brains out if I had to live in a town without lawns. I have no idea how the English do it.
I went to a local nursery and it's kind of surprising that at least 90% of the stuff there were flowers. Flowers are pretty and all, but I'm not really going to buy them unless they have other benefits.
I still plan to grow a lot of things from seeds, but I bought some plants!
-Basil (some 'Pesto' variety, smells strong but I don't want to be around it when I'm not eating it)
-Dill (used in cooking, but also apparently very good at attracting bees and other pollinators)
-Strawberries (the "Everbearing" variety that is a perennial in my climate. Some wild strawberries actually pop up in the yard sometimes)
-Lavender - bought a bunch, it attracts pollinators and more importantly repels mosquitos, or so I read. Also it smells really nice, even though none of these have flowers on them
-3 types of tomatoes (grape, roma and uhh... I forgot)
-Rosemary (smells really good)
-Cucumbers - I kind of just bought these for the hell of it because we did it when I was a kid. They grew absurdly well. Maybe I'll try turning them into pickles or something.
It seems like this place didn't have any bulb plants like onions and was also missing a blueberry bush which I really want. Well, maybe it's for the best since I need to research what blueberry varieties I want.
In the 2 minutes when I brought some plants in, went outside, and moved some stuff around, the cat found a strawberry plant and ate 3 of its leaves and subsequently vomited them up. It still has 4 leaves and a flower so I think it will be fine.
He was supposed to be asleep...
Also, I used a soil testing kit, which are apparently not very reliable for ph, but it relatively trustworthy for minerals and stuff. The part of the lawn I cleared out is really low in nitrogen, which I guess makes sense since the land has just been sitting there with grass after my parents used it for vegetables. I got some nitrogen fertilizer, some artificial stuff, but also some blood meal and feather meal which are slower acting since they have to be broken up through natural processes in the soil before plants can use them. They're not here yet, though, so I have to wait...
You should try to make a margherita pizza when those are finished growing! Bet fresh ingredients would make it taste really good...>the cat found a strawberry plant and ate 3 of its leaves and subsequently vomited them up
Heh... yeah that's why I keep my plants covered in a mini greenhouse so they can't go snacking on them.
pic of cat with the plants
Grew a lot of chili plants with my mom last year but unfortunately they were all killed by larva. Will probably plant something easier this year like lettuce and some herbs. We have a garden box on the lawn. It would be nice to get something to grow there, but there are so many ants on our property, and spanish slugs are a huge problem here as well. I will try anyway.
why dont you plant some catnip
That sounds interesting. Is it inside or outside?>>106782
I think it'd be sending the wrong signal if I showed acceptance to him being near the plants. Well, not that he even listens...>>106785
Oh, that's a shame. Have you looked up any way to prevent that stuff? Apart from pesticides and other poison, I think people should stay away from that stuff.>>106787
Hmm... maybe, I looked it up and that has some anti-insect properties, which is apparently theorized to be one of the reasons cats are attracted to rubbing themselves on it. Interesting
pic of cat in greenhouse
It's an indoor one, pretty much or maybe exactly this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D7GHEES
but I hooked up some grow lights to the interior on a day/night schedule.
Garden blog update.
I have converted one patch successfully into a garden, or what will hopefully become a full one. It took quite a bit of work and I now understand why the first few days in Harvest Moon is mostly just your character clearing the area and using up all your energy and going to bed. (Thankfully I don't have any tree stumps or boulders in my yard)
I first tilled the soil two weeks ago, and then 2 days ago I tilled it again after giving the grass and weeds a chance to come back. After 2 weeks of somehow getting ZERO rain, which benefited this greatly (I assume), the plants have expended a bunch of resources to send shoots back up into the new surface and I have torn them up again. I'm going through with a simple hand tool with 3 prongs (I don't remember what it's called) to dig into the soil, searching for roots to dig up and remove. Walking on the soil to do this compresses it, which is bad, so I also go through with a metal rake to loosen the soil while also collecting the various plant parts strewn about.
I should hopefully never need to be this thorough in the same location again as long as I keep using this new field and properly maintain it. Any plant coming back to life that I planted will be a good thing, and the ones that die off every year will simply decay and become nutrients. I plan to be extremely aggressive with this and if I see a weed popping up I'm going to dig deep into the ground to fully remove it. I'm not going to use any herbicide or pesticides and I'm reading up on ways to get around using them.
I bought 5 HUGE bags of mulch, but even then I underestimated how much I need, because I'm going to cover the pathways between plants with it and then surround the plants with it as well. Assuming other people are as ignorant as I was about this stuff, mulch is used both to block the growth of new plants while also helping the soil retain moisture, which will be VERY important here in summer as it turns into a furnace. Mulch also breaks down over time and releases nutrients into the soil. I'll be creating my own soon enough as I've already started a pile of lawnmower trimmings and discarded fruit/vegetables from the kitchen.
Since I'm not going to use herbicides or pesticides, I've done some reading up on other solutions. Specifically, I read up on strawberries since I've now planted some small plants I bought. I knew strawberries get their name because people put straw underneath the berries, but I didn't know why. It helps keep them from soaking in stagnant water after a heavy rain, but more importantly it blocks bugs that live in dirt like roly-polies (pillbugs) from getting to them. There are cages you can get for them as well.
There are also plants that are helpful to maintaining the health of your plants for a few reasons:
-"Pollinator" plants: Many of these are just ornamental flowers, but they attract pollinators like bees to your garden and they will then notice the less vibrant flowers on your other plants. Some also attract predatory bugs that eat the bugs that want to eat your plants.
-"Repelling" plants: Not sure what to call these, but they have properties that repel pests like mosquitos and aphids and even rabbits. Lavender, chives, and other stuff that we grow because we like the smell or taste are apparently disgusting to them. I really like the smell of lavender, so I'm planting it in large pots so I can move them inside for winter.
-"Nutrient" plants (not actually a term): Plants that fulfill a role in regards to feeding the soil, such as legumes that return nitrogen to the soil while they're alive, and also plants that are simply good at growing fast and then which you can turn them into mulch to feed your lawn with "fresh" decay to provide for bacteria and fungus underground which I need to rebuild after my destructive tilling. These plants also stop the growth of weeds by blocking out the area and are called "cover crops".
I'm fine with losing at least half of my crop to birds and stuff, so my expectations are already tempered for such a scenario. My goal was to start growing food for myself, but if I also turn the backyard into a bountiful ecosystem for insects and animals I would consider that a win, too. Even if the vegetables somehow all fail, I'm growing herbs and they really can't "fail" since the plant itself is the food instead of a fruit produced long after the plant is established.
This post became a lot longer than I thought it would, but reading up on this stuff is really interesting.
I don't live in a place where I have my own garden to do things like that. My mother loves gardening but at my parents' home there's only an apricot tree and otherwise it's grass and flowers.
The grass is all crabgrass and basically always has been. When I was a kid I thought crabgrass was just normal grass and I never got why people made such a big deal about it looking good and needing maintenance.
Hope it doesn't rain too much overnight because I'm not done preparing yet. It's such a weird feeling to actually pay attention to weather again>>107051
She maintains the crabgrass on purpose? People usually hate that stuff and regard it as a weed to destroy
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>>107104>She maintains the crabgrass on purpose? People usually hate that stuff and regard it as a weed to destroy
Thought that was weird too. I'm always trying to cut the bermuda high so it can choke out the crabgrass better. Might depend on your region though?
Well, the thread is already full of my blogging so I figured I'd sage an unsubstantial post of mine
the crabgrass is the only grass there is at this point
if you kill it then you have dirt
>>107049>I'm fine with losing at least half of my crop to birds and stuff, so my expectations are already tempered for such a scenario.
While I was working the field today (never thought I'd say such a phrase) I looked up and noticed someone that would be feeling very happy if he knew what was going on. (not my picture)
It's inevitable that I'm going to be losing some leaves and fruit/vegetables to bunnies in addition to birds and insects, but owing to some stuff I said here I'm not too worried. I planted chives near the strawberries and also have some herbs sprinkled around stuff like cucumber plants. The strong pungent smell/taste of herbs is a defense they evolved that doesn't work on humans, but it does work on animals. Tomato plants have their own intense defenses so they don't need anything. I think I might plant some stuff around the tomatoes to make use of them, even.
But... I did forget to plant anything "repulsive" near the lettuce and green beans. I'm not even sure if they will grow since I'm starting them from seeds out in the field instead of transplanting, but I guess I should try to make plans. I'm planning on doing a giant row of onions since the only bag of starter onions they had something like 50 little bulbs, but I could place some of them around the lettuce and beans since it's another stinky plant that humans love and animals don't.
plant a briar patch to throw those rabbits into
Garden blog update:
Second day of rain, it's nice. I started this gardening project about a month ago. It rained a few days after I started, but after that it was nothing until now. It was kind of nice because I didn't need to plan around it and I think it kept a lot of weeds down, but I it made the dirt really tough and working with it was harder than it should have been. The soil here seems to be clay, which has its own strengths and weaknesses. The strength is that it can hold water and nutrients well, but it's poor at drainage (which many plants need in heavy rain) and also when the water is gone it starts to solidify and turn into solid clumps resembling rocks. It's not an exaggeration, either, I tried to squeeze and crush the smaller ones and I couldn't. The tilling machine would bounce off of it and I had to use a hand tool to piece and break it up.
Unfortunately, my "learn as I go" approach means that the first two rows of plants I made are still full of the native clay soil. I learned since then that I should add compost to make the soil less clay-y, so I bought some bags of that since the grass clippings and other misc organic material I now have laying around is not yet compostable. Compost is really heavy, by the way.
The transplanted plants (strawberry, tomato, cucumber, sweet pepper, basil, oregano, dill, chives, others I've probably forgotten) seem to be doing okay. I've got some seedlings peaking out, but apart from the beans which still have their shells on at the end of the seedling, I can't say for sure which are the desired plants and which might be sprouted weeds. At least it's obvious when it's a blade of grass.
I think I'm going to buy some more seeds now because I've got more space that I thought I would and I've only tilled about a third of the available space in the yard as the preliminary learning experience.
the plants in my mother's garden have a hell of a time trying to grow through the kuso clay layer
they dont till or fertilise the soil though
the most successful plant is the apricot tree which makes apricots that are ok I guess, not super sweet with a great texture or anything but edible and the parents make jam out of them
i want a big yard with room for lots of trees. my aunt has a lemon tree, a pear tree, a walnut tree, and a mandarin tree. wanna live like that. and a cute kitty to roam that yard
and of course... TOMATOES!
I have 11 plants total with three different subspecies or varieties or whatever you call them.
Closest to camera on bottom left and bottom middle are grape tomatoes. Top three starting from left are roma (sauce) tomatoes. 2 you see on the right are "supersweet 100" cherry tomatoes that are supposed to taste really good, but they don't seem to grow as fast. Supposedly it has a long production time throughout the season so maybe it will make up for it. Some of the grape tomatoes are already starting to make tomatoes, so I'll take a picture of them in a week or so when they get bigger. After taking the picture I did the staking thing where you prop them up with string, so the next time you see them they'll be propped upward more.
Also in the bare area at the top I'm going to plant some watermelons and cantaloupe because there's so much space and I don't really want to fill it with a bunch of $5 plants, so I'm going with crops that take up a lot of space.
gonna make a awesome pizza one day
>>107049>I'll be creating my own soon enough as I've already started a pile of lawnmower trimmings and discarded fruit/vegetables from the kitchen.
I've never actually considered how mulch is made... Is it really possible to make it with such simple reusable ingredients? Because I've always wanted to get rid of the lawnmower trimmings I've dumped in piles in my backyard, and if I can put them towards actually helping to grow stuff that'd be great.
Aside from that holy crap you've put a good deal of thought into this garden. I'd have never considered such a strategical layout to attract maximize output and minimize losses to my garden before going at it blind. Although now that I know this will be really helpful when I go to start making my own outdoor garden, thanks.>>107452>it starts to solidify and turn into solid clumps resembling rocks
Maybe if you've got enough of it you can at some point try making bricks out of it to create a homemade brick oven for delicious pizza. Especially with all the perfect pizza ingredients you're growing.>>108013
Dang those tomato plants look like they're growing fast, where they the first planted? Also I've been sugar snap peas and not sure if they're similar to green beans or not. Do you need to set up a special sort of fencing for them to coil around and grow on? It's what I needed to make for the peas.
>>108055>I've never actually considered how mulch is made... Is it really possible to make it with such simple reusable ingredients? Because I've always wanted to get rid of the lawnmower trimmings I've dumped in piles in my backyard, and if I can put them towards actually helping to grow stuff that'd be great.
It is, yeah. Although, apparently what I was describing is compost and not mulch. Compost is decayed stuff that basically turns into something resembling dirt while mulch is more solid stuff that takes a lot longer to decay and is used as a protective layer on top. I'm using wood chips as mulch as walking paths and I put them around the tomato plants and will put them around the other stuff, maybe, when they get bigger.
To make compost you just put all the stuff in a pile and wait. You're supposed to keep it moist, though, so you should water it. The ideal setup is to have three piles. One pile is fresh, second pile is stuff that's halfway there, and third is the finished product. You move it from 1 to 2 and then 3 and then from 3 to where you want it on the garden.
I'm just using one pile, though and it works, you just have to move stuff around to get to the bottom when you want to use it. >homemade brick oven
That sounds kind of interesting, but also too much work. I guess I could look it up maybe>Dang those tomato plants look like they're growing fast
I bought them as small transplants, so they were already like 8-10 weeks old I think. It's the little plants in the tiny square containers. They definitely do grow fast, though. I'd say apart from the cherry ones they've already doubled in size from when I transplanted them about three weeks ago? I guess it's no mystery why they're so popular to grow
Wow, that's really pretty. I've only heard of the white yarrow stuff. Supposedly that stuff has medicinal properties, too, but everything does depending on who you ask.
I think I got most of the garden set up now, and just in time.
May is apparently the rainiest month here so now it's time to test the drainage.
Sister is visiting and got this picture. I have no idea what's going on with her phone, though, as this looks like a tiny image that was upscaled. You can at least see one of my adversaries and it's clear that I must formulate a plan to take action. I'm not going to do anything to hurt them, but I definitely don't want bunnies to eat all my stuff before it can even finish growing. They seem quite satisfied eating grass, anyway.
Chicken wire fencing is the basic solution, but it's so ugly. Other stuff I read is about plants that could repel them, but behind it you can see a pot of basil that they're supposed to avoid and it's not working very well. But, it's true that it completely ignores all herbs.
I'm going to try a spray that has cayenne pepper and garlic powder in it and see if it deters them. I do say "them" because the other day I saw a big one and a small one together, which means there's at least three. Lettuce regrows extremely fast so I don't care if it nibbles on it some (and I'm not a huge fan), but it DOES bother me that they're eating the tops off my green bean plants before they have a chance to grow big and produce beans.
But, even if nothing works, this stuff was all for the fun of it as I am mostly after growing herbs and tomatoes and bunnies don't like those.
huhhh bunnies is there anything else wandering around
Squirrels, but I haven't seen them around the garden. Mice are probably around somewhere since any environment that can support rabbits and squirrels would certainly support mice.
Rabbits are the main problem, though, since they bite plants clean off at the stem instead of nibbling on leaves. If it's a small plant then it can't recover and dies, while it majorly delays the growth more established stuff. Little jerks.
They sure are cute, though.
andean herders told me llamas were better than other livestock for grazing precisely because they bit it clean off rather than uprooting them like other animals do
but it's a radically different niche so it makes sense it wouldn't work like that in this case
>>108465>as this looks like a tiny image that was upscaled.
Happens when zooming if the camera doesn't have an optical zoom or multiple cameras at different zoom levels.>Chicken wire fencing is the basic solution
You could try getting netting. I've seen it used a lot when places are trying to grow flowerbeds and don't want them to be trampled or eaten by animals. Looks a lot nicer in my opinion. May not be as practical though depending on how much area you need to cover.
if that rabbit turned around it would be well camouflaged
Oh, forgot the sunflowers. There's like 25 of these total around the South side of the house (which is where the most sun is if you're in Northern hemisphere).
Pic from two weeks ago: >>108012