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Gone from Ubuntu to Debian, but Debian kind of sucks as a desktop environment (constant freezes, poor drivers and performance issues. Also issues with Steam's client)

Where do I go next?


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trending towards going back to ubuntu




Might as well try it, but likely not too different from Ubuntu


What sort of performance issues? Your choice of desktop environment might make more of a difference here than your distribution.


dude, I will be honest. I had to look up what that even meant


yeah my craptop was able to run ubuntu after i loaded xfce
before that it was slower than a snail on benzos
still not sure of what i did, just followed the instructions


This isn't a craptop. It has a Ryzen7 4000 with integrated AMD graphics.
It's entirely the fault of Debian and I shouldn't have to go out of my way to modify it's desktop environment(whatever that is) to get it to work fine


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Lightweight desktops like XFCE, LXDE,LXQT and others are great for saving ram and CPU. Personally I am more of a window manager only guy and I use i3 with Polybar its very comfy. Also yes this is being run on a PS4, I hacked it and put Linux on it and its now the best PC I own at the moment


If linux wants to ever be something beyond a microservices and server system I should not have to wory about any of this so that my 2020 PC with 8gb of ram does not lock up when I run NPM build with Steam and 20 atom tabs open!!


always assume that it does not, in fact, werk
one way or another, you will modify something however big or however small


How are you so certain that it is Debian's problem?


Because windows 10 worked perfectly fine until I switched to it. There's no reason I have to deal with system freezes because I have too many tabs open on a browser or run a software build program.

Linux is overall a completely garbage system for desktops and the only redeamable aspect is how well apt install works.
That you have to even think about how desktops work(just remove gnome LOL) in order to use it is not an advantage. It is a glaring flaw.


and yes I do have the most recent drivers installed. I can play games on it. But web streaming? Large moniters? NOPE


Did I have any of these problems on Ubuntu with my desktop? NO. Yet you retards go on and on about UBUNTU HAD PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE ON IT 20 YEARS AGO.



Clearly you have set it up incorrectly.


People say they have problems with Linux but when I use it, it goes fine for me, are people just doing more advanced things or what? I'm able to browse the internet, play games, compile software, etc just fine without any crashing or freezes


>system freezes because I have too many tabs open on a browser
That one might actually be Linux's fault (Linux is the kernel, you've read the pasta already). The way it manages running out of memory is kind of garbage. You could try installing oomkiller so your browser crashes when you open too many tabs instead of your whole system locking up.


By the way, are you on Debian stable, testing, or unstable?


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No, Windows people are just retarded and will give up on everything the moment they hit a bump in the road 1 mm tall. I had a lot more problems with my previous Windows installation than I've ever had after I switched to Debian.
OOMKiller should already be installed, have had run-ins with it a couple times without me manually installing it. I increased the amount of swap on my PC (from 0 to 4 GB) and haven't had any problems since. Though, it does take some time for the OOMKiller to kick in and crash a browser.


looks normal to me

PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"

I've been using debian for a few months now and I'm getting sick of it. It is not a desktop environment unless you hate features that come with any modern OS


That's stable. For a personal computer I would recommend using testing or unstable. You'll have way more problems on stable due to the software being so far out of date than you'll have from the software in testing or unstable not having been tested enough.


If Debian's too outdated, and you're not hellbent on wanting to stick with Debian, try Fedora. It's basically the same as Debian (at least concerning a normal user) except that you'll have to use dnf instead of apt.


been using manjaro for a while now and it's fine for anything other than most games, windows is clearly better there


Yeah, if someone is going to want to use a fork of Arch you don't want to go with Manjaro. Try Artix (no systemd), ArcoLinux, and/or if you need something more user friendly then I suggest EndeavourOS well over Manjaro. Either way, Manjaro fucking sucks.


>Either way, Manjaro fucking sucks.
Why? I used it for a while and liked it.


I was experiencing the same problem, since I didn't have oomkiller enabled. This was a major annoyance for me but it seems like it's fixed


It beats having to switch to something else so sure, I'll try and see how it is.

On Ubuntu, which tries to be a real OS instead of your hacky garbage distro, this oomkiller has, annoyingly, caused various server processes to terminate mid action, so I had assumed that Debian was the same thing.
But thinking about it, I don't think I've seen it show up in my syslog ever after switching everything to Debian.


>NPM build
I think running a build system is your problem. my Windows machine makes everything else run slow when I click the build button in Visual Studio. People write build systems and compilers assuming that you want the programs to finish their work as fast as it can possibly be done.


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Linux problem.
Not configuring their systems correctly for consumer... AKA DESKTOP... use


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Linux continuing to suck ass as a desktop environment


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The sheer ignorance of how virtual memory works in this thread is astounding. All operating systems using it including Windows and macOS have the same problem, it's not unique to linux.

Windows notepad does the same if you don't set the correct locale.


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Funny how I can do all of this in Windows without having to set anything up. If windows had an equivalent to apt-get I wouldn't ever touch this thing for how inconvinient it is.

Hey you retard.
Which locale is correct?
Why is my login screen in Japanese yet I still can't view the file?
Why is it that this works on my Windows Desktop?
Why is every "Linux can replace Windows" enthusiast such a dunce when it comes to having a functional UI that doesn't waste your time???


None of these are correct because it's not encoded with UTF-8, which you should already know if you have the slightest idea on Windows locale and encoding.
If your Windows locale isn't set to Japanese or the text isn't encoded with Shift-JIS ot UTF-8, you will get the same result and no, Windows will not figure out which is the correct encoding the text has for you.

>If windows had an equivalent to apt-get I wouldn't ever touch this thing for how inconvinient it is.
chocolatey, nuget, or WSL are better for you


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this OS is a



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No one should ever touch this OS for anything involving enjoyment


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What a fucking joke of an OS


I give up. No one who has an interest in Japanese as a foreigner should touch Linux. Just don't.


I'm guessing the text is encoded in non-UTF-8 encoding, I've noticed Microsoft (notepad at least) uses UTF-16 (or higher) by default when saving files. Maybe try changing Atom's default encoding to UTF-16 (or higher).


works on my machine


Not true, I haven't ran into any problems so far, except with archived Japanese filenames being encoded in proprietary Windows encodings, which is just Windows being Windows and nothing to do with Linux.


Oh yeah, could be a proprietary Windows encoding as well, in which case there's not much you can do I guess.


Alright. I will try and do some text reader stuff on website programs


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Well, that gets it working.

Want to see something stupid though... let me set it up for you


I tested such a file in Clion, it detected the default UTF-8 was wrong and let me select an encoding manually, I selected Shift-JIS and it worked. Never had to change locale at all.


Linux is




ugh, lets not show the website IP by accident...


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Let me just reitterate that Japanese characters do work in my text editor. But the ones I got from a certain source do this


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I don't use Linux much, so can't give any definitive advice, but have you checked through the top-bar to see if you can change the encoding (as in the attached image)?


Just download the file and get owned.


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I was able to get it working. Using Firefox, I was able to see it was encoded in Shift-JIS. While that isn't compatible by default with Sublime Text, I was able to download a package (ConvertToUTF8) that adds the functionality. While that was on Windows, you should be able to do the same on Linux (both Sublime Text and the relevant package have Linux versions, or if you like the text editor you are currently using it probably has a similar package you could install instead).


That's great that you feel like doing this, but I should just move my chair over to my windows PC and give up on ever doing something conviniently in Linux


This thread is a bunch of youngsters tinkering with Linux for the first time, huh?




I use Xubuntu and Geany. I look like I'm following the crowd, but I'm really the trendsetter.


So much rudeness ITT...


¥open in mousepad
¥tells me it's not UTF-8, asks me to select an encoding
¥select shift-JIS
¥just werks


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Ranting at computers is one of the most historical aspects of the internet


nothing was able to show me encodings...


that's some funky hacker solitaire


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The so called ideal view of linux for linux users isn't even realistic. It's an imaginary world where you can make lasers fly out of the moniter, when really it's exactly as the windows user sees it: A bunch of prompts, exactly as they delt with in the DOS era.


As the chart says, that's how windows users (you) view linux.


no, it's that it's just plain unrealistic. The MAC and the Windows viewers see reality, but Linux sees(in this order)


These are all immaterial concepts not rooted in reality


So mac is literally a children's toy? I never knew. I thought it was a desktop computer running a proprietary UNIX os.


They used to be, but the new MacOS is just a glorified iOS machine. It's a shame because OSX was a decent third option.

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