No.100353
Mint
No.100357
>>100353Might as well try it, but likely not too different from Ubuntu
No.100358
What sort of performance issues? Your choice of desktop environment might make more of a difference here than your distribution.
No.100359
>>100358dude, I will be honest. I had to look up what that even meant
No.100360
>>100358yeah my craptop was able to run ubuntu after i loaded xfce
before that it was slower than a snail on benzos
still not sure of what i did, just followed the instructions
No.100361
>>100360This isn't a craptop. It has a Ryzen7 4000 with integrated AMD graphics.
It's entirely the fault of Debian and I shouldn't have to go out of my way to modify it's desktop environment(whatever that is) to get it to work fine
No.100367
If linux wants to ever be something beyond a microservices and server system I should not have to wory about any of this so that my 2020 PC with 8gb of ram does not lock up when I run NPM build with Steam and 20 atom tabs open!!
No.100368
>>100361always assume that it does not, in fact, werk
one way or another, you will modify something however big or however small
No.100383
>>100361How are you so certain that it is Debian's problem?
No.100385
>>100383Because windows 10 worked perfectly fine until I switched to it. There's no reason I have to deal with system freezes because I have too many tabs open on a browser or run a software build program.
Linux is overall a completely garbage system for desktops and the only redeamable aspect is how well apt install works.
That you have to even think about how desktops work(just remove gnome LOL) in order to use it is not an advantage. It is a glaring flaw.
No.100386
Likewise.. HUGE FRAME DROPS WHEN RUNNING ANY GRAPHICS PROGRAM,
and yes I do have the most recent drivers installed. I can play games on it. But web streaming? Large moniters? NOPE
No.100387
Did I have any of these problems on Ubuntu with my desktop? NO. Yet you retards go on and on about UBUNTU HAD PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE ON IT 20 YEARS AGO.
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT
No.100389
Clearly you have set it up incorrectly.
No.100391
People say they have problems with Linux but when I use it, it goes fine for me, are people just doing more advanced things or what? I'm able to browse the internet, play games, compile software, etc just fine without any crashing or freezes
No.100398
>>100385>system freezes because I have too many tabs open on a browserThat one might actually be Linux's fault (Linux is the kernel, you've read the pasta already). The way it manages running out of memory is kind of garbage. You could try installing oomkiller so your browser crashes when you open too many tabs instead of your whole system locking up.
No.100399
By the way, are you on Debian stable, testing, or unstable?
No.100403
>>100391No, Windows people are just retarded and will give up on everything the moment they hit a bump in the road 1 mm tall. I had a lot more problems with my previous Windows installation than I've ever had after I switched to Debian.
>>100398OOMKiller should already be installed, have had run-ins with it a couple times without me manually installing it. I increased the amount of swap on my PC (from 0 to 4 GB) and haven't had any problems since. Though, it does take some time for the OOMKiller to kick in and crash a browser.
No.100404
>>100399looks normal to me
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="11"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"
VERSION_CODENAME=bullseye
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/"
>>100403I've been using debian for a few months now and I'm getting sick of it. It is not a desktop environment unless you hate features that come with any modern OS
No.100405
>>100404That's stable. For a personal computer I would recommend using testing or unstable. You'll have way more problems on stable due to the software being so far out of date than you'll have from the software in testing or unstable not having been tested enough.
No.100406
>>100405If Debian's too outdated, and you're not hellbent on wanting to stick with Debian, try Fedora. It's basically the same as Debian (at least concerning a normal user) except that you'll have to use dnf instead of apt.
No.100410
been using manjaro for a while now and it's fine for anything other than most games, windows is clearly better there
No.100411
>>100410>ManjaroYeah, if someone is going to want to use a fork of Arch you don't want to go with Manjaro. Try Artix (no systemd), ArcoLinux, and/or if you need something more user friendly then I suggest EndeavourOS well over Manjaro. Either way, Manjaro fucking sucks.
No.100414
>>100411>Either way, Manjaro fucking sucks.Why? I used it for a while and liked it.
No.100417
>>100398I was experiencing the same problem, since I didn't have oomkiller enabled. This was a major annoyance for me but it seems like it's fixed
No.100419
It beats having to switch to something else so sure, I'll try and see how it is.
On Ubuntu, which tries to be a real OS instead of your hacky garbage distro, this oomkiller has, annoyingly, caused various server processes to terminate mid action, so I had assumed that Debian was the same thing.
But thinking about it, I don't think I've seen it show up in my syslog ever after switching everything to Debian.
No.100420
>>100367>NPM buildI think running a build system is your problem. my Windows machine makes everything else run slow when I click the build button in Visual Studio. People write build systems and compilers assuming that you want the programs to finish their work as fast as it can possibly be done.
No.100432
>>100403Linux problem.
Not configuring their systems correctly for consumer... AKA DESKTOP... use
No.100434
The sheer ignorance of how virtual memory works in this thread is astounding. All operating systems using it including Windows and macOS have the same problem, it's not unique to linux.
>>100433Windows notepad does the same if you don't set the correct locale.
No.100435
>>100434Funny how I can do all of this in Windows without having to set anything up. If windows had an equivalent to apt-get I wouldn't ever touch this thing for how inconvinient it is.
Hey you retard.
Which locale is correct?
Why is my login screen in Japanese yet I still can't view the file?
Why is it that this works on my Windows Desktop?
Why is every "Linux can replace Windows" enthusiast such a dunce when it comes to having a functional UI that doesn't waste your time???
No.100436
>>100435None of these are correct because it's not encoded with UTF-8, which you should already know if you have the slightest idea on Windows locale and encoding.
If your Windows locale isn't set to Japanese or the text isn't encoded with Shift-JIS ot UTF-8, you will get the same result and no, Windows will not figure out which is the correct encoding the text has for you.
>If windows had an equivalent to apt-get I wouldn't ever touch this thing for how inconvinient it is.chocolatey, nuget, or WSL are better for you
No.100441
I give up. No one who has an interest in Japanese as a foreigner should touch Linux. Just don't.
No.100442
>>100440I'm guessing the text is encoded in non-UTF-8 encoding, I've noticed Microsoft (notepad at least) uses UTF-16 (or higher) by default when saving files. Maybe try changing Atom's default encoding to UTF-16 (or higher).
No.100443
works on my machine
No.100444
>>100441Not true, I haven't ran into any problems so far, except with archived Japanese filenames being encoded in proprietary Windows encodings, which is just Windows being Windows and nothing to do with Linux.
No.100445
>>100442Oh yeah, could be a proprietary Windows encoding as well, in which case there's not much you can do I guess.
No.100446
>>100445Alright. I will try and do some text reader stuff on website programs
No.100448
I tested such a file in Clion, it detected the default UTF-8 was wrong and let me select an encoding manually, I selected Shift-JIS and it worked. Never had to change locale at all.
No.100450
ugh, lets not show the website IP by accident...
No.100452
Let me just reitterate that Japanese characters do work in my text editor. But the ones I got from a certain source do this
No.100456
>>100455That's great that you feel like doing this, but I should just move my chair over to my windows PC and give up on ever doing something conviniently in Linux
No.100457
This thread is a bunch of youngsters tinkering with Linux for the first time, huh?
No.100459
tardrage
No.100461
I use Xubuntu and Geany. I look like I'm following the crowd, but I'm really the trendsetter.
No.100463
So much rudeness ITT...
No.100470
>>100466nothing was able to show me encodings...
No.100473
>>100467that's some funky hacker solitaire
No.100492
>>100483The so called ideal view of linux for linux users isn't even realistic. It's an imaginary world where you can make lasers fly out of the moniter, when really it's exactly as the windows user sees it: A bunch of prompts, exactly as they delt with in the DOS era.
No.100493
>>100492As the chart says, that's how windows users (you) view linux.
No.100494
>>100493no, it's that it's just plain unrealistic. The MAC and the Windows viewers see reality, but Linux sees(in this order)
MAGIC SHEEPLE CAPITALISM
No.100495
These are all immaterial concepts not rooted in reality
No.100496
>>100494So mac is literally a children's toy? I never knew. I thought it was a desktop computer running a proprietary UNIX os.
No.100497
>>100496They used to be, but the new MacOS is just a glorified iOS machine. It's a shame because OSX was a decent third option.
No.104660
I ended up changing to Mint btw and it works perfectly. No problems
No.104662
>>104660It's a good distro
No.104666
PEBCAK: the thread
>>104659it's not really that hard if you know how to follow instructions and take good care of your system. the arch wiki is very well documented; unless you run into an extremely specific/esoteric issue chances are someone has already been there and solved it for you to copy. and also the "arch breaks all the time" meme isn't true at all: i've used the same installation for a little more than 2 years now without running into a single deal breaker issue. at most, some graphical issues that get solved on the next version a week later (this is the desktop environment fault, not arch) or the usual manual intervention that you need to do after updating, in which case the arch website will post an update literally telling you what to do. it's fool proof really.
No.104685
>>104659they all come from steam deck
>In July 2021, Valve announced the Steam Deck, a handheld gaming computer. It runs SteamOS 3.0, which is based on the Arch Linux distribution with a KDE Plasma 5 desktop No.104686
>>104659Steam Deck and imageboard elitists like it
No.104743
>>104659I wanted to switch to Linux and was thinking about Arch because SteamOS is based on it and I figured that would give it the most documentation on issues. I'm a little apprehensive on jumping straight into something so complex though.
No.104805
>>104659It embodies the concepts that most people seem to think of when they think of desktop Linux: Customizable, minimalist, power-user centric, very up-to-date and community-driven.
It also has by far the best Linux wiki as mentioned before. I don't even use Arch at the moment, but I still get a lot of use out of it.
No.105282
I switched off of Arch because I was tired of dealing with AUR packages and often just fiddled with it instead of actually getting things done with it. OpenSUSE is good enough
No.105283
>>100351Also, Ubuntu would be good if they weren't so focused on snaps
No.105881
Just switched to Endeavor+KDE from Win10. So far I like how much more customizable it is but I'm running into a lot of little issues due to not being familiar with Linux. Hopefully I start getting the hang of it soon.
No.105907
>>105881I ant to talk about this more because I'm actually really enjoying it so far. I love how much customization is possible, how much crisper text it, how easy and convenient it is to install new software through a package manager, and all around how it just feels like MY computer and not Microsoft's now. I wish I had made this switch sooner.
Only disappointing thing is a couple games that I like (Tarkov and Rainbow Six Siege) don't work, but it's a small price to pay for everything else.
No.105928
>>105907Just dont get too into the philosophies around it.
No.105930
>>105928I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that.
No.105931
>>105928in layman terms he's saying that being able to install things through the command line is better than installing through binaries.
And an added bit about how it feels like he's modifying the system rather than adding new components.
No.108506
actually, I guess the only pro of Kali is running it in a VM.
No.108508
>>100406>FedoraThere are 2 problems with Fedora:
A) GNOME3 sucks. This issue is easily fixable by using the KDE or Xfce4 "spin".
B) This is the biggest one: you need to add the 3rd-party RPF Fusion repo to get codecs.
I vote for Linux Mint because of this (unless you can/want to install Arch, Artix (= Arch without SystemD) or Gentoo). If you want to know the prerequisite knowledge for Arch, Artix and Gentoo:
https://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php (it's very good book for learning the Linux CLI/Terminal/Bash).
>>100411>>100414>Manjaro sucksRead this =>
https://manjarno.snorlax.sh>>108505Kali Linux (and Backtrack before it) at least used to be designed to be run in a VM or as a LiveCD/LiveUSB OS.
No.108510
>>108508knew not to touch manjaro
No.108515
Try opensuse
No.108565
>>108515I had a pretty bad experience with Tumbleweed, never tried Leap though.
No.108569
>>108568Use wayland already. Its current year + 7
No.108570
>>108568as if i'd ever buy windows, or worse yet, anything by crapple
No.108571
>>108568Ummm, it's free as in freedom, not free as in no mondey....
No.108572
It was a joke post you aspies
No.108573
i know, so was mine.......
No.108585
Do any of the AI anime things run on Linux anymore? I only did it very early when the NAI model was leaked and it was done through Krita
No.108588
>>108585yeah that's what the kissu pc's SD runs on, ubuntu
No.108589
4day work week time
No.110396
void linux is unironically the best linux distro if you don't want to go with the LFS route. no systemd shit, stable releases, fast and reliable package manager, has an intuitive TUI installer. why aren't you using void already?
No.110397
There is nothing wrong with SystemD
No.110399
>void linux
Is that alpine on steroids?
No.110409
>>110396I've seen people recommend it here and there throughout the last few years. How does it compare to Ubuntu?
Keep in mind, I'm tard.
No.110414
>>110396I've heard good stuff about void but what makes it better then another systemd-less distro?
No.110507
>>110497gnu is shit but busybox is even worse. runit is faster than openrc. xbps is fast and reliable
>devuan has better package compatibilitywhat's that supposed to mean? how did you measure that?
devuan seems like a good alternative to void although i need to research it more. it seems to be dbus free too which is also nice.
No.111863
I'm thinking of switching to Void from Artix.
>>110497Devuan isn't any different from Void in terms of packages, .deb packages from other distros shouldn't be used directly. If packages are all you want just use Artix.
I don't know if the performance apk brings really matters for your average desktop.
>>110507Did you ever pick?
No.111864
I have a weird complaint about Artix.
Many of the mirrors are now offline and downloads can be incredibly slow
No.111866
I just use Debian/Ubuntu-based and RHEL/Fedora-based distros for the most part. Arch and other like-minded distros are fine for a desktop but I would never trust it on anything production. If you want things to just work, any of those Arch-like distros are a bad pick, in my opinion. Unless using and fixing your operating system is itself your hobby, I really don't see any reason why you shouldn't just use Ubuntu or Fedora.
No.111867
>>111863I picked a year ago. I've been using void ever since and had no issues. I never had a reason to switch. My main goal is to find a decent way to switch to 9front probably using vnc or similar as it's a better operating system than GNU/Linux.
No.111868
>>111866Debian yes ubuntu no
No.111869
>>111866i chose manjaro because it was supposed to be noob friendly which it mostly is but updates break stuff occasionally which is annoying
the only reason to try another arch based distro whenever i reinstall is aur but i'm sure i can do without it, they'll probably have the same update problem anyway
No.111870
why would you need AUR? just compile it yourself from source if it's not in your package manager
No.111927
Void is damn near perfect but its a giant pain to do FDE on it. I'm a lazy guy, not so lazy I'd just install Mint but lazy enough to use void-installer
No.112004
I'm currently driving MX Linux (Debian-based) for the past year, and it's been reliable the whole time. Perhaps this is because my hardware is relatively old and the programs I user are light, but it's been a pleasure to use.
I'm playing around with doing some installs on QEMU, and that's working pretty well for the most part. I've heard a bunch of good things about Void and I see its praises are sung here as well, so I may try it out at some point.
No.112009
>>111870That's what the AUR is though...
No.112014
>>112009Without having to trust some random user
No.112029
>>112014Trust? Just open the PKGBUILD in a text editor then, it shows you what it does. Thats the way you are supposed the use the AUR anyway, even that arch team don't suggest using AUR helpers
No.112054
Nerds, just use Debian for your servers and Mint for your desktop.
No.112055
>>112054Or just use Debian/Devuan for everything. Its great. Nothing ever breaks!
No.112069
>>112055I feel like this is sarcasm, but the only times I've had configs break on Debian is during dist-upgrades and even those are safe more often than not. I do think there are better options for desktop use, though.
No.112071
>>112069I only use Devuan on the desktop because it's a SystemD free distro that requires very little maintenence
No.112078
I agree on Devuan being pretty good, it's what i would probably use on a computer with limited internet access or on an older machine.
>>111866I've been using vanilla Arch for a little over 3 years now (two different installations) and I still haven't had a single issue with packages randomly breaking after updates. And since I don't use a DE anymore I don't need to update +100 packages every week, which is nice and provides less of a surface for potential issues.
>>111869Manjaro's aim of making a rolling release "stable" by holding back packages for a week is fundamentally flawed. I've used Arch, Manjaro, EndeavourOS and Artix, and the ONLY time I've had breakages and even random kernel panics was when i used Manjaro. Now that Arch is easier than ever to install with archinstall, the fact that people still recommend Manjaro is beyond me. There are sites dedicated to listing reasons why you shouldn't use it: see
https://github.com/arindas/manjarno and
https://www.hadet.dev/Manjaro-Bad/ (there was another one with a big counter on top stating how many days have passed since the last time the Manjaro devs done goofed, but I couldn't find it). If you don't feel like reinstalling you could switch to their unstable branch or whatever it is that they call it. But in my experience, the closer you get to vanilla Arch the better.
No.112095
>>111869Just use Endeavor if you want a noob friendly Arch.
No.112138
I sometimes get frustrated with desktop linux developers. I sometimes wonder how farther they would be along if there were minimal forks
No.112139
What's the problem. Mint is basically everything you need.
The server management is a bit clunky, but you get around that with bookmarks.
It's even got a paint clone pre-installed!
No.112140
Xubuntu has been around longer and it's barely changed since when I started using it.
No.112142
I use non-systemD distros simply because I prefer OpenRC but the anti-systemd crowd has gotten a little crazy,
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/ has multiple posts about societal collapse
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4986 has posts about conspiracy theories about red hat and IBM trying to fully control Linux
I don't know if I like these people...
No.112143
>>112142I don't get the rationale behind this attitude more broadly, as long as its GPL or just even open source it should be OK. I know Red Hat has started doing questionable things but I think SUSE hard-forking it shows that there's not some overarching corporate conspiracy to restrict your Freedom. For goodness sake its licensed under the LGPL and the FSF distros use it!
It's weird to see it went from mission and feature creep and a large attack surface to discourse like this.
No.112147
>>112143I don't think people on the internet know how to deal with loudmouthed, paranoid people. Tech enthusiast circles seem especially susceptible to the delusional hijacking the reigns of conversation, as they seem more inclined to try to reason even when dealing with someone arguing in bad faith.
No.112290
>>112289Linux Foundation spends only
3.2% on the kernel itself
No.112713
>>112142>conspiracy theories about red hat and IBM trying to fully control Linuxnot a conspiracy. it's already happening and you have to be blind to not see it
>societal collapsesysdfree guys are commies so they are correct about societal collapse