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Due to apparent confusion with the previous poll, this new poll clarifies and expands on the previous options.
Previous poll:
Due to apparent confusion with the previous poll, this new poll clarifies and expands on the previous options.
Previous poll:
bleh. Previous poll: https://archive.is/Z1mhe
Option 2 is obviously the best choice since it keeps the nice cyclic aspects of the seasonal board but constrains it to 3d/random which makes it nice and easy to separate out from the rest of /qa/ and /jp/. This makes it easier for people to make threads and have them be on the board that'll get it the most attention and discussion vs people not wanting to participate in a specific discussion because they're not sure whether they're on the right board for it.
>>4763
My idea was to constrain it to topics that force it to be 3D/Random and not just some vague idea of "3D" in the sense of starting a thread with an anime image and talking about learning Russian or something and justifying that by saying Russian isn't Japanese and that it's about a real world thing so that's why it's on the seasonal board instead of /qa/.
It'd also force stuff like >>>/win/2769 to be on /jp/ instead because it's 2D/Random not 3D/Random
>>4762
B-but... options 1 or 3 are the 3D/Random options... A constrained topic ("Animals, Nature, Outdoors, etc.") board wouldn't encompass all 3D things. Like, if I want to talk about trying to see if I can find a Herman Miller chair at thrift stores (because office liquidations sometimes donate the stuff they couldn't sell to thrift stores like the Salvation Army or Goodwill, etc.), this does not fit the previously mentioned constrained topic suggestions (>>>/b/12840 >>>/b/12869 >>>/b/12876). It would fit on a 3D/Random board (which is how I personally saw, and used the seasonal boards).
If you want to make another poll that further clarifies definitions be my guest, or edit the OP or something, because I think we have very different conceptions about what these things mean.
>>4766
Well if the only disagreement we have was based on a misunderstanding then that's fine. When you argued for bringing back the seasonal boards as they were I assumed you meant as the amalgamation of 2D/Random and 3D/Random that was only different from the rest in its cyclical nature. If you mean that you want the seasonals back as 3D random only then I'm fine with that and I'll have Vern edit the poll options. But the caveat I mostly wanted to enforce was keeping 2D pics out of the OPs so that we could have a clear distinction and make sure it's 3D/Random.
>>4769
See, this is why I think we need to agree on definitions, because I don't fully agree.
>When you argued for bringing back the seasonal boards as they were I assumed you meant [...] that was only different from the rest in its cyclical nature.
This I more or less agree with.
>as the amalgamation of 2D/Random and 3D/Random [...] I mostly wanted to enforce was keeping 2D pics out of the OPs so that we could have a clear distinction and make sure it's 3D/Random.
This I do not agree with. I don't agree that simply attaching a 2D image to a thread about, for example, wanting to go to the convenience store to get junk food, but it being too late to walk or bike there, makes that thread a "2D thread". From what I understand what you're saying, that's how you're differentiating 2D/Random, and 3D/Random. I don't agree. It's the content that makes the post, not the image attached to it.
When I say 3D/Random, I mean "3D SLASH Random", ergo: encompassing a random assortment of 3D-related topics and random topics. Likewise, to me, 2D/Random means: encompassing a random assortment of 2D-related topics and random topics, otherwise these threads mentioned would not be a suitable fit for /jp/ (>>>/b/12793). In a similar vein, this is why I have contended that /jp/ is more a Anime/Random board; it tends to contain more topics related to seasonal anime, but then also a random assortment of random topics tangentially related to anime interests, such as gaming, twitter art trends, "2D culture" and so forth. The remaining topics not appreciated as being suitable for /qa/, and not tangentially related to the topics discussed on /jp/ fell to the seasonal boards, as I see it.
If it's literally just the image attached that classifies a thread as belonging somewhere, I can at least understand how and why you would want to just move everything to /jp/ and wrap up the issue that way, but that's not at all how I see things.
>>4772
It's VOTING SEASON, Anonymous!! Rock the vote, or something!...
>>4775
Ok, I disagree then. I want an explicit 3D/Random, not a mix. The old 'I'm going to the convenience store, who wants anything' fits perfectly on /jp/ and asking about real life stuff with a 2D image works fine on /jp/. "What's the best banana" with an anime girl eating a banana would never be out of place on /jp/, but now you want to confuse the options of where it goes for no reason other than deciding yourself that /jp/ is anime/random and not 2d/random.
What should we do then if we return the seasonal boards "as they were" in your sense of the meaning? Move /jp/ threads that mention real life in any capacity to the seasonal board? That's stupid! We should have clear distinctions between what should be on the seasonal board and what should be on /jp/, otherwise it just confuses everyone and does nothing for giving the seasonals a unique identity.
>>4780
I WANNA ARGUE WHY OPTION 2 (3D/RANDOM) IS BEST, NOT SAY HI
>>4779
I'm really, really not understanding your position. I just wanna post saber riding banana on /jp/ and talk about the bananas I found at walmart on the seasonal boards.
>We should have clear distinctions between what should be on the seasonal board and what should be on /jp/
Your opinion, as I understand it, is that if the seasonal boards come back "3D topics" are fine on both /jp/ and on the seasonal boards, but seasonal board threads should just make sure to attach a 3D image instead of a 2D image? I do not understand how this is a "clear distinctions between what should be on the seasonal board and what should be on /jp/" and how this doesn't, "just confuses everyone and does nothing for giving the seasonals a unique identity."
Again, I think the content of the post determines where it should go, not what's attached to it, so...
>Move /jp/ threads that mention real life in any capacity to the seasonal board?
If there was a constrained topic board that ONLY discusses 3D and 3D-adjacent topics, then yes, by definition those topics should be on the 3D/Random board and not on the 2D/Random board.
Now, as for my personal preference, I just want the seasonal boards back, "EXACTLY as they were". If it was the sort of thing posted on the seasonal boards in the past, it should be allowed to be posted on the seasonal boards in the future, no restrictions on topic unless it is literally unfit like a seasonal anime thread.
>>4782
In my opinion, the first and third options are 3D/Random, and the constrained topic board idea is inherently NOT 3D/Random.
Also from a perspective of not wanting mod shuffling of topics you seem to really want a board that causes an extreme amount of mod shuffling work to come into existence.
The only reason it worked out in the past is because we practically ignored what was supposed to be on seasonal boards and just let people post stuff wherever. You don't want to see a situation where we actually start to enforce this retarded distinction, especially on a board where all threads will freeze at some arbitrary time based on when the season changes.
>>4786
B-but that's NOT a clear distinction like you said!>!>@ If anything can be posted anywhere so long as the right image is attached, what's the point of having any boards!?@!
>>4787
I don't!?#? You asked me to clarify the options, so I've been explaining them, and then you've also been asking my personal opinion, which I have also been giving. My personal opinion is that I want the seasonal boards back, "EXACTLY as they were". By definition, that includes "3D/Random" topics, but it is not exclusionary to off-topic threads because that was how the seasonal boards were used!!
Option 1 is literally the path of least resistance, just bring the seasonal boards back and leave them alone and let people poster whatever on them!!!!
>>4789
It's not the path of least resistance because Vern and I like cohesion and having things in their proper places, Vern especially. Now you're limiting what people can post on /jp/ and introducing a problem of people having their threads moved for being too 'real-life' for /jp/ based on a much more nebulous reasoning than just "image = 2d" vs "image = 3d". We'll do it if that's what the poll wants, but you won't be happy with the results.
>>4788
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>4793
Gonna make another poll... Not deleting this one or anything... You'll see...
>>4796
>>>/win/2769 this thread shouldn't be on the seasonal board
at the very most it should be on /qa/, argue me otherwise
>>4790
I don't care about your OCD and you should just leave threads where they are in this or really any other scenario. What matters is that someone who thinks of an interesting topic or funny joke can glance at the board and think "it's okay for me to post this here".
Before they return I'm going to clean them up though, unless you want them back as blank slate boards...
>>4809
It's not my wish! The first option is things E X A C T L Y as they were. You'd better not call me some sly mastermind for introducing confusion over the word "EXACTLY". Unless the second or fourth option receives the most votes, the board created would NOT have an EXPLICITLY defined topic. That is option 1/3: 3D/Random: encompassing 3D, 3D-related, and random threads. The alternative is option 2/4: "Animals/Outdors": encompassing ONLY explicitly defined 3D topics. This was the exact issue raised in >>>/b/12876
exactly (adverb)
ex·act·ly | ig-ˈzak-(t)lē
1. a. : in a manner or measure or to a degree or number that strictly conforms to a fact or condition
"it's exactly 3 o'clock"
"these two pieces are exactly the same size"
b. : in every respect : altogether, entirely
"that was exactly the wrong thing to do"
"not exactly what I had in mind"
2. : "quite so" —> used to express agreement
EXACTLY YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER, NOT "well, actually we're going to move certain things to /jp/ and /qa/ if it doesn't fit". EXACTLY. E. X. A. C. T. L. Y. Exactly as it was!! This is what I was talking about when I said you just push through your own vision and act unilaterally. You're doing it again. The options are very clear, and explicitly defined, and you're trying to do the same exact (see what I did there) thing again!!!
EGG-XACTLY
If there is even a single egg out of place when I get there, heads will role.
>>4817
I can only feign cordial exasperation so long when you insist on things going your own way and purposely reading things in ways only you yourself believed. If you're going to continue the course of doing whatever you want, it shouldn't be a surprise that I'm pissed off and annoyed.
I don't think I've ever made a post that was a more accurate assessment. I'm the one who supposedly crowned themselves "arbiter of the community", and yet when you decide to make proclamations that show your own interpretations are incorrect and flawed (such as in the results of this poll, the previous poll, or the results of the 2D vs. 3D poll) there is no recognition and concession that you were incorrect. Instead, you hold exactly to your desires and say "regardless!" You're going to do things your own way, even if people are explicitly telling you that is not what they want. I'm supposedly the one who muddied the waters and introduced confusion to the previous poll, and yet you're the one who insisted on changing the wording of one of the options because YOU disagreed with the terms used. It's no skin off my back for me to admit whether I am in the minority opinion with regards to /maho/ -- because I cannot influence the outcome either way. When you are in the minority -- you're still free to do whatever you like, as I said, because you can actually make a change. But, no... I'm the sly mastermind who DARES influence opinion... Influences opinion, huh? Now why would that be a bad thing? I don't think you need me to answer that rhetorical.
I can't go against the poll results. The people have spoken. There's no way to interpret this that fits my narrative. But if 3D/Random, not images, is what you think it should be then that is what it shall be. I don't misunderstand the difference in the slightest, I just personally disagree with using context as the deciding factor.
But, if the board is going to be 3D/Random it's going to be 3D/Random. We don't need to be just ignoring the themes of what the board is because who needs any sort of logical structure to anything anyways. If that was the plan, then we should just remove random boards and keep only /qa/.
didnt read the thread but did you guys do some retarded thing where the seasonal boards were NOT brought back but the threads on them were pointlessly deleted and some of them were placed into /jp/ and /qa/ and /maho/? even though the poll says Return the seasonal boards EXACTLY as they were?? way to fuck it up
>>>/aut/3128
although how does this fit 3d random?
These threads pretty much confirm that kissu’s downfall began with the /jp/ split. A board where any poster can post with their hearts desire disappeared. Nowadays kissu is a series of cabinets full of neatly sorted gemstones sorted by types, so neat and precious that no one dares to put anything new inside, fearing that his gemstone might be a fake and the resulting anger from the OCD house maid.
>>4832
In one corner I have dumbfuck No.1 lamenting the death of /qa/ from the increase in boards and demanding even more boards, in the other I have dumbfuck No.2 that laments the death of /qa/ because it doesn't generate as many threads despite making /jp/ for the express purpose of less serious threads that get made more.
Both of them are giving me an aneurysm.
I make one salient point and then it's ignored for another doom tirade. I'm fucking sick of this.
>>4832
And this isn't even accurate because people were hesitant about pushing down /qa/ threads with their less serious ones. All in all maybe we should just not move anything at all and just let you retards run free without any regard for what's supposed to be where. Just call the boards /qa1/ /qa2/ and /qa3/ and then you'll figure it out.
>>4766
>It would fit on a 3D/Random board (which is how I personally saw, and used the seasonal boards).
it's just a general random board it's not a 3d random board
there is no theme for anything 3d/random doesn't exist 2d/random doesn't exist who cares its all the same anyways
>>4827
Yes, I agree with this. If you look at the deleted threads (besides the locked/moved ones), you can see some that the vast majority are
¥neither seasonal nor 3D
>>>/trans/18558, >>>/trans/19554, >>>/trans/19467, >>>/trans/19455, >>>/trans/19437, >>>/trans/19110, >>>/trans/18548, >>>/trans/18535
¥seasonal but 2D
>>>/trans/19545, >>>/trans/19091, >>>/trans/19087, >>>/trans/18867, >>>/trans/18865, >>>/trans/18821, >>>/trans/18812, >>>/trans/18525 (perhaps >>>/trans/18525 too)
¥bring up 3D but have a split focus on 2D
>>>/trans/18861 (AssClass), >>>/trans/18788 (2hu)
It's really only the last and least common group that I would mmmaaaybe bother arguing about, I believe it's okay to have it as an edge case since people will want to make that kind of post and it doesn't fit neatly anywhere else. Other than that, I agree with the policy.
>>4838
You a TARD nigga, shut yo' dumbass mouth and git da fuck outta this thread.
>>4839
>It's really only the last and least common group that I would mmmaaaybe bother arguing about
my threads my authority to delete
It does seem like there's generally a consensus, although the negative emotions emanating from this thread have made this poll rather bleak instead of cheerful. I suggest people heed my personal stance in the last paragraph of >>>b/12829/ about avoiding sources of stress and taking part in unwinnable internet arguments.
dang I remade the post to fix the board link but I can't find that image of Fuko again
>>4842
wtf why is it not working
>>>b/12829
>>>/b/12829
>>/b/12829
>>>>>
>>4833
>>4834
>>4835
>>4837
You don’t understand that the whole point is to have /jp/ like threads to coexist with more serious threads. This way because of the constant threat of being pushed off the board, people had incentive to post in serious threads in order to bump and keep them alive. The /jp/ split meant that this incentive no longer existed, so the total amount of serious posts reduced, and the vacant poster energy went into low effort /jp/ shitposting instead.
>>4844
That's your headcanon and it's a deeply flawed one. It occurs, but it's not incentivized, you're pushing against the current, and it was never the norm in either 4/qa/ or kissu because if you don't have the interest to make a regular post under normal conditions then the standard behavior across the entire internet is to naturally let the thread slide down. That's what overwhelmingly happens.
>>4847
>Why do I only feel resentment?
>How immature.
Well, actually I don't want to return them because I feel they go against the spirit of the board. I didn't even delete the banana thread because of the way a banana could be a real life topic.
>>>/win/2769
If I was really feeling spiteful and not just trying to delete what I felt didn't fit the image of the board, then there were far and away a whole bunch more threads of mine that I could've deleted to be a dick, but I left them up.
>>4846
There is a tipping point only after which the posters stop caring. Necrobumps and bumpbots were common on 4/qa/ saving good threads from death. It’s only after s****k.party inflow and massive rangeban of bump/spam bots that made 4/qa/ passed the point of no return.
This is stupid as fuck.
If I lock this horid thread then berun will bitch and unlock it using mod powers, if I don't this nasty thread continues.
I just give up. It's not worth dealing with you guys.
I try to do what's best and other people force their opinion into a bitter argument leaving no one happy.
I'm doing whatever this poll says and ignoring it. You can let kissu fester in this crap.
Well, like I said, we can do it because of group consensus and not because of bickering.
To again reference an older post of mine >>>/b/12803 this whole thing was not brought about in good faith and other people should have done what I did and walked away for their own sanity. Nonetheless, it can serve a beneficial purpose for other people who do seem to want the seasonal boards back.
>>4866
Ehh, opened ended opinion? What do you mean? People seem to want the seasonal boards back, although how "successful" they will be is debatable. Individuals? I don't think things should be looked at on the individual level for this. What the group makes of the board is what matters.
The aura of these threads has been so tremendously negative that I've kept my replies limited since I can't get invested in something that should be positive twisted into something so ugly.
I guess if I have a "final opinion" it's to bring the seasonal boards back as the /poll/ indicates and then autosage this ugly thread and everyone can try to be happy again. The seasonal boards are going to feel tainted for a while due to the nature of their rebirth, but it is what it is.
the back and forth in this threads reminded me of a copy pasta:
>Watch out for Hibikid! The public enemy of /qa/ #5:
>- found /qa/ during the freeze and decided he'd be the leader of a revolutionary movement that will transform /qa/
>- encourages users to violate GR13 and claims mods are on his side
>- responsible for making any pro-avatar sentiment in /qa/ irrelevant by subsuming it into his retarded crusade
>- militantly derails entirely unrelated threads by attempting to link them with his crusade for avatars
>- was not even around to know what 4chan was like before /qa/ existed but claims to be its champion
>- fails to do anything that would actually accomplish his stated aim anyway
>- obsessed with the notion that /jp/ spinoffs are all secretly his enemies in disguise
>- ignorant enough to announce that ``there is nothing wrong[e] with /pol/
>- as soon as called out for spouting ignorant bullshit he will return to anonymity
>- did not deny to be an underage kid with divorced parents when directly asked about it
>- has threatened to ban evade and will speak in riddles, hinting he is schizophrenic
>- has made it public he intends to use different avatars to `` trigger[/e] /qa/
>His ultimate goal is probably to create a Discord colony on /qa/ but that's just a delusion.
>Add further observations of shittery to this list and repost it when you see him.
So?... Are they coming back or what?