peak lazy

I like this mouse, but I absolutely loathe it. Nice feel, weight, the all important side buttons, but the scroll wheel is the cheapest piece of shit that starts failing after a month of use. Once it starts jumping it only gets worse from there until it stops working altogether.

>>2533
I'd try to find a japanese or korean mouse brand and stay away from Taiwan makes like Corsair since it was probably made in mainland

>>2533
I remember those being called MMO mice. It can be very handy for such games, but generally uncomfortable after a while. The one I had (can't remember name, sidewinder or something?) had an issue getting hot, so it seemed like there's always some sort of compromise with having all those buttons there.
I wish there was a middleground of maybe just having 2-3 extra buttons, but it seems rare for mice to have more than 2 buttons on the side.

I like my six button (left click, right click, back and forward, dpi changer, and scroll wheel) mouse!

my free-spinning logitech mouse is great except it has two bullshit side buttons that i always hit making me sigh

free spin is great, but I've found the use cases are very slim. Having to turn your mouse upside down to enable it also makes it very unusable

>>2533
I love my razer naga but I cringe a bit whenever I think of needing to replace it. Shits like 100 bux. I mostly use it for web browsing with media keys, video controls, alt+tab, translation, tab controls and so on

i used xbindkeys to disable those two side buttons w00t w00t
>>2683
having to do whaat

>>2688
my previous logitec put it on the bottom.. but I see that most of them have it on the top now

I kinda want to make my own imageboard software but it would be a pain to moderate without totally de-anonymizing users on the admin side

isn't imageboard software solved at this point?

from what I've seen they're all written by incompetents in the most horrible languages possible for software development
what insane person builds a PHP monolith these days or actually writes a liveboard in Go

There is no point in being competent because every imageboard community is full of people who do not have the manners to behave and no capital to push onto you as a reward for putting in effort that would naturally earn you close to 6 figures in a cooprate setting.

If they don't behave just ban them, most software I've looked into has very lacking moderation tools out of some false belief that the average poster will self-moderate
>6 figures
I'm not american, I'm never getting that
also not doing it for the money

Kissu has the best moderation tools, probably similar to 4chan, but maybe we lack a bit of niceness(and professional quality + modernized UI).

And I am not allowed to ban like I want because it will cause too much internal conflict.
I get no reward. I used to get a reward which made me care, but it can't compete with the financial benefit and academic interest my current work provides.

And would I even if I got payed? Probably not. The site hates me because I speak my mind.

>best moderation tools
probably, I consider 4chan to be almost criminally incompetent with moderation and the recent changes haven't improved much
>internal conflict
admin = god as they say, if I want to ban someone they will be banned
>I get no reward
the feeling of clicking the ban button is its own reward

>>2786
You're retard OK.

get over your shit. 4chan is highly sophisticated

>>2787
this post wouldn't be banned for example because it's very funny

>>2788
this is also very funny

>>2789
I told you what you have to do to make an imageboard. Get over your pretentious bullshit.

>>2790
I'm not pretentious at all, how is acknowledging the low technical level of all current implementations pretentious
There might be some improvements to Yotsuba since it's closed source but I doubt it

>>2791
OK... what do you even want? You're just saying 4chan is bad. You're no different from every other loser who left 4chan.

It's probably best to look at a bunch of existing ones and take what you like from each one. I'm not sure how any of this stuff works, though. Moderation usually isn't a software issue.

Also, if you're talking about deanonmyzation during moderation, then you just look at what mlpol's system did and you hash all the IPs so you can't actually see who they are. Otherwise, you can't really moderate without a moderator hierarchy and a government. So you're not even doing software dev anymore, you're just becoming a manager

Well, I suppose you could do thread level hashes using salts based on the thread number so that would work as well. But to what end are you even doing this? If the community doesn't trust the moderation then the problem is fundamental to the site's management

>>2793
Indeed. It's all based on copying

>>2792
I'm talking about the technical side though, not the actual mods which is another thing entirely

>>2793
You can improve it a lot though, account based system used for IP reputation verification along with invitation based systems that allow you to mass prune accounts created by spammers in exchange for less posting limits, faster cooldowns etc for "accounts" that have persistently retained good behavior
The ability to track persistently negative posters by attaching notes to IPs viewable by mods over the long term
Random mod tools like thread slowdown to prevent spam or post edit/actual functional filters
I've looked through a lot of chans to see what features they have

>>2794
I'm interested in seeing how much of that you can automate, in the aspect of dealing with the almost bot-like tier of low quality posters
High quality posters will obviously require almost no moderation and can just post normally, so most of the work will be to eliminate the worst tiers

>>2797
>2793
Kissu can stop posting from people who don't have posts on the site. That's the easiest way to do this.
Attaching notes to IPs is already done in vichan. Improvement is to add more to the cookie tracking mechanisms. But that might be against EU regulations.

Accounts are really a philosophical question about what it means to post on an imageboard.

>2794
Mixing an AI based system with a verification system(hidden posts until verification if flagged by AI). Something I've wanted to do, but I don't think it's as important to running an imageboard as just moderating effectively.

You won't even hit the post numbers where something like that is important until later.
Unless you're hoping other imageboards implement your software... but many have tried that and ended up coming up with something worse than vichan.

Also some of the other more fine details of your comment on 2793 are already possible on vichan through the filter system and I've modified the site to do various captcha trigger mechanisms.

Sure, there's more to put into it. But you have to have the motivation, and based on how you're talking more philosphicaly with me than actual code modifications to vichan or your own engine, I think you are the exact same as me right now... does not really care about imageboards that much

I've also considered something like thread mods or enough reports from high quality accounts/IPs automatically triggering a moderation action that can be reverted by an actual mod later, or maybe in the case of long-running generals being able to have actual thread/general limited mods

>>2798
>accounts
I'd certainly prefer something like an automatically generated account tracked by a cookie that can be recovered by the user if you decided to set a username/password combination
The main point of friction would be convincing users to "register" when the IB crowd loves the illusion of user-facing anonymity extending to the backend and I'm still not sure how much to allow the user to track their own posts without allowing others to do so
It would essentially end up like a forum with forced anon if you kept going
>EU laws
Can't you just write in the ToS somewhere that all posters are tracked to ensure efficient moderation?
>Unless you're hoping other imageboards implement your software
I would prefer this to be closed source, mainly because I've noticed that anything good necessarily is
I'm considering starting an imageboard in a couple of years but it would certainly be more about the imageboard being required to test the software rather than the software being required to manage the imageboard
I've noticed some issues after years of using imageboards and as a developer I want to see if software can solve those issues

>>2799
>I think you are the exact same as me right now... does not really care about imageboards that much
I do not have any specific attachment to them, but I find the format very good for allowing users to post what they want without needing to deal with lots of unnecessary info and posturing when you have to have a name attached to everything you say

I would greatly prefer it if I didn't have to sign into an account.

>>2800
which community are you going to be hijacking to justify writting a closed sourced software.

I don't want fascists using what I write. I don't want people diminishing the feel of Kissu. That's the only reason this place is (Mostly) closed source.

I mean to say, there's no way anyone will ever be interested in your imageboard if you're not advertising the software for others to see.

The only other alternative is community theft... like this one... from 4chan

>>2797
In my experience trying to automate moderation works well with generic spambots that are repeatedly spamming large numbers of sites, usually with the same links over and over again, but doesn't work so well for dealing with pest users. It becomes a game for them to figure out what triggers the moderation and get around it.

>>2801
Exactly, it's a very big point of friction and I've noticed it myself when using websites
Ideally a user would be able to post without creating an account at all, the "account" would be one created by the system automatically and tracked by the normal poster cookie
Only if they decide they want to track their posts over multiple threads like an integrated and enhanced 4chanX/XT, or get lower posting limits or captcha free posting on multiple devices from different IPs would they feel like making an account, or if they want to persistently moderate a thread/be a tripfag or something

>>2802
I'm still not set on it being closed source or not, mainly thinking about it because it would make implementing certain features without bots bypassing them much easier and would ensure some degree of lock-in and total control over what happens with my work
Security by obscurity is not ideal but it still works
There is no way for the client to know what goes on in the server since I'm not planning on using PHP, and if I decide to bundle the frontend by using a templating engine instead of a separate REST API that will basically make it a black box in terms of what it does, can do, will be able to do
If it actually develops any unique features it will basically ensure that at least someone will post there if they can't get the feature set anywhere else
>which community
I think a technical board would be the simplest to set up at the start since I would also have some interest to post there, maybe something with flags related to foreign cultures because those tend to be very buzzword-centric and would be a good test
Anime boards I think are too common these days, every altchan has 7 of them
If I make it open source then it will be much simpler I agree

>>2803
This is in the pre-planning stage still, I'm reading up on other scripts what they could do, what were the limitations, what parts made them unique over the rest. If I don't run a site I'll just open source it and spam it everywhere until someone picks it up.

>>2804
I would consider most low quality posters no more sapient than spambots. You could train an LLM to predict their posts with nearly 100% accuracy. Even something as simple as a buzzword detector would work because eventually the new posters would have no idea what the spammers are talking about.

>>2805
>If it actually develops any unique features it will basically ensure that at least someone will post there if they can't get the feature set anywhere else
People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other. Getting people to use your imageboard, especially the people you'd want using your imageboard, is by far the biggest challenge.

>I would consider most low quality posters no more sapient than spambots.
Don't underestimate the intelligence of your shitposters. A pissed-off smart person may decide to flood your board with retarded posts out of spite, and moderation in any form is guaranteed to piss someone off.

>buzzword detector
A retarded monkey could get around that and will find great joy in doing so.

>eventually the new posters would have no idea what the spammers are talking about.
The kind of posters we're talking about are often near-incomprehensible in the first place. And don't forget that on an imageboard you can write in the image and use the images as avatars.

That said, I wish you success in making automated moderation work even if I doubt it's going to happen.

>>2806
>People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other
I mean I've heard people say that something like liveposting is important which is why they want to stay using meguca
>Getting people to use your imageboard, especially the people you'd want using your imageboard, is by far the biggest challenge.
Probably, but I'm sure 4chan will get even worse until then
People will inevitably leave
>A pissed-off smart person may decide to flood your board with retarded posts out of spite, and moderation in any form is guaranteed to piss someone off
Hopefully the auto-mod manages to deal with it then
>That said, I wish you success in making automated moderation work even if I doubt it's going to happen.
Probably, talk is cheap and I'm just yapping

>>2806
>People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other.
True, but I think that's only part of the statement. I'm only speaking for my midwitted self, but unique features could help keep users you attracted coming back. Especially if those features are conducive to discussion and finding discussion over other similar chans: "What makes your anime altchan full of dweebs and teens different from every other anime altchan full of dweebs and teens?"
I think it's helpful if the site feels good to use because it's the first thing you interact with, and it gets you a surface level feel before you start dissecting board culture and know if you want to assimilate with it or not. That is to say, I like how Kissu functions on the user end.

>Don't underestimate the intelligence of your shitposters.
I know this full well. Once a sufficiently motivated spastic has a bone to pick with your corner of the web you're going to struggle to get rid of him. They'll do anything in their capability to tear down whatever semblance of 'home' or community you've got going, knowing full well there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

I'd consider building an imageboard as a project to stretch my skills but would not ever expect anyone to come to it if I hosted it.

>>2808
>I think it's helpful if the site feels good to use because it's the first thing you interact with, and it gets you a surface level feel before you start dissecting board culture and know if you want to assimilate with it or not.
Yeah, if I open an altchan and it's another generic Yotsuba B with /a/, /v/, /pol/ boards I'll just instantly close it like the other 20 before it.
Kissu looks good.

>>2807
>I'm just yapping
the yapper

the yapper is ok if he's your boss

So I have two old youtube accounts, one from the mid 00s and another from some time in the 10s. Well, I don't remember the password to either since I never used either of them for very long.
Google wants a phone number for me to recover them, so I passed. So I decided to make a new account and google wants a phone number.
Is there any tech solution to bypassing this, like there's temporary emails? I don't want to give google my phone number.

Any good server benchmarking utilities?

>>2832
You have to buy a burner SIM for like a crap prepaid phone from Walmart, assuming you are American.

All my twitter and youtube accounts are like that.

Golang has some REALLY weird behaviors with slices.


x := []int{1,2,3}
xSt := x[:0]
xEd := x[0+1:]
xSt = append(xSt, 4)
xSt = append(xSt , xEd...)
fmt.Println(x)

this is such weird behavior... i know that a slice is a reference to the object in memory, but why isn't the append inserting new blocks of memory and instead overwriting the old in another memory reference? That's not what an append is supposed to do

AAAA https://go.dev/play/p/GpkNCXclPbz

C Compiler decided to be stupid for some reason and it turned
if (ffbottom >= bottom-1 && R_FFloorCanClip(&ffloor[i]) && !curline->polyseg)
into
if (ffbottom >= bottom-1 && cv_ffloorclip.value && !curline->polyseg)
It compiles fine on Linux and then when I went to compile under MSYS2 on windows it was doing this garbage. I had to get a friend to help out (reading assembly) just to discover my compiler was being cursed. I don't understand.