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 No.387[Last50 Posts]

A thread for random tech chatter
If your talk ends up being well thought out and has lots of replies, consider crossboard-linking your discussion into a thread

 No.388

I was thinking that imageboards are good candidates for columnstore indices but who wants to use SQL Server for that. Was thinking that each thread deserves it's own database table perhaps, but something like that increases the issues vichan has with table searching.

 No.389

hm, i guess that's not needed anymore with the big engines... MySQL excluded of course
https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb-columnstore/

 No.481

>>387
What userscripts do the people here use?

 No.482

>>481
4chan X and yentext functionality, so I can
¥ yen
with impunity

 No.486

i had fun with my the primeagen mascot going in front of everything on the site using the custom CSS
#mascots {
z-index: 9999;
position: fixed;
}

with https://haiji.kissu.moe/test/src/1712059215978.png
but its time to retire him

 No.487

>>481
I made a userscript for this site that loads full threads instead of having pages. Seems to work well

 No.488

>>481
User scripts are hard to get working on ReactJS sites. I set up an application API so you could send some custom events in to modify the SPA's state, but they're not really fleshed out or tested

 No.1200

following documentation to the letter but feature not working. I hate APIs

 No.1201

Got myself a token, got myself a URL, put em together and get thrown onto the HTML log-in page!

 No.1202

ugh, in the token authentication step you can get a valid looking token by not filling out the URL properly and it never tells you

 No.1203

>>387
Are client-side rendered webpages the end game? Since having the power/flexibility to render your own contents using simple networking to the server (json) allows you to do anything you want.

 No.1204

>>1203
I think the blame has been misplaced - the problem is these slow as fuck frameworks. They promise speed but any real projects using them are slowwwwww

 No.1205

>>1203
For most cases, just caching a page on the server and serving it is not a big deal.

The problem I've found is that each tab on a webpage is actually, for whatever reason, sharing the same thread so if one locks up it can cause the entire site to freeze. Not always though. Haven't looked that hard.
So by putting too much stress on the client you can cause bad site performance. You could throw in service workers and the like, but it will hit similar bottlenecks in rending the page.

 No.1206

>>1204
>They promise speed but any real projects using them are slowwwwww
I think the real killer is first the webpage must load, then the javascript must load if it's not cached already, then the javascript must connect to an API and load stuff, and frequently it will even have to do yet another connection to grab more after the initial API fetch so suddenly you got 3-4x the latency for seemingly no reason and unlike in the past where you watched a white screen for half a second you now get to watch a bunch of spinners everywhere.
I'm in favor of always generating the full page and delivering it as such, even with millions of concurrent visitors it is not that hard to setup multiple servers to generate the webpage for the users. They did this in the past and only stopped because they believe saving money is more important than building a decent product and because most users use apps they can therefore just ignore the computer part of their website and let it rot on mobile oriented tech debt.

 No.1207

>>1206
I believe this site is client-side rendered. However, the initial html includes a script element in the head with json data including window.thread_json. Only the thread updates (including auto updates) fetch new json. A simple solution to the latency issue.

 No.1208

>>1207
It's as you say.
A nodeJS service handles the requests for the site. At one point I experimented with server side rendering and hydration, but it had no benefits for the added complexity. Instead the server prefetches the JSON data it will use to build the site.

The slow part is still the generation and such, but it doesn't have to wait for data at least.

 No.1210

>>1208
Do you cache the generated json for each post? I would expect so

 No.1211

>>1210
Well it would have to be regenerated whenever the "cites" json array changes but still.

 No.1212

>>1210
they're cached the vichan way. As json files stored to the file system

 No.1213

>>1207
I would also like to say that this made it reasonably easy to load full threads by redirecting /0.json to /full.json >:)

 No.1216


 No.1217

>>1213
that's a bit of a tricky thing to do I think, but I guess that is a benefit of dyanmically generated websites. Just use the software to render whatever you want

 No.1218

TDD is so damn exausting

 No.1219

What's your role, TC, and YOE?

 No.1220

>>1218
>TDD is so damn exausting
its a fun self-gamification but if you're trying to go for like 100% coverage of code from tests it gets annoying

 No.1231

>>1220
might just be the problem i'm tackling. going at it in the same intensity as you might in mission critical software... so exausting

 No.1330

React keys are shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

 No.1331

vs code crashing all the time now...

 No.1359

[verniy@arch-verniy ~]$ sudo pacman -yS pulseaudio-equalizer pavucontrol
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
multilib is up to date
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
:: pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse are in conflict. Remove pipewire-pulse? [y/N] Y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: removing pipewire-pulse breaks dependency 'pipewire-pulse' required by pulse-native-provider


I hate arch and the people who recomended it

 No.1360

>>1359
Just use Mint or Debian or something like that. It's not cool, but it works.

 No.1361

>>1218
just do TDD they way I do it, make the tests after you've finished coding the feature and don't do TDD

 No.1374

>>1359
I didn't migrate to Pipewire yet but going back to PulseAudio seems a bit more complicated. By the way, I don't know which DE you run but some of them like GNOME seem to require pipewire even if you use PulseAudio.

>>1360
It all depends on what you wanna do with your OS. In some cases, choosing rolling release distributions over stable ones with old packages is better.

 No.1408

Die pacman

 No.1409

the pacman, the

 No.1410

vecna lives

 No.1413

Been trying to get audio to output Firefox to HDMI and line-out. Timing is a mess though and I'm not sure how to do it in pulse audio. The suggestion I found was quite depressing.
I need to figure out how to cause a delay between the two sources so they sink
>it works but the timing is a mess. i understand now why no professional wanted to write software for linux. the complete audio architecture is a bit of a mess. pulseaudio being more network oriented and jack single audio device. it is hard to create tight sync between multiple audio devices. The synchronisation issues are simply not easy to solve.

 No.1414

'pavucontrol' might be the toolkit I need to do it, but it really seems like audio dev on Linux is a bit of a dead horse

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 No.1435

I'm not replying to anyone btw. I just like the image

 No.1436

>>1435
Man of culture

 No.1442

amazing. You have to compile everything for gento

 No.1443

>>1442
You don't. They started offering binaries for most packages. They've always offered them for the stuff that takes longer than 3 seconds to compile (browsers, Rust and a few others).

The end game: You install Gentoo on all your machines. Then you use your home server to compile packages for the rest of them. It churns away unnoticed and provides updates for everything from your workstation to your puny 15 year old thinkpad.

Gentoo is the best desktop OS because you can configure it any way you want and it stays out of the way after the initial 2-3 day manual install. You can have anything from a autism WM where you run everything from command line to a full blown KDE bloated desktop abomination with stupid useless screen effects. Need a patch? Drop it into a directory and let portage handle it. Don't like pipewire or systemd? No problem, set a USE flag or two and everything else just werks. No hacky work arounds. No backports.

Anyone that complains about compile times or it being hard hasn't tried it. Gentoo is the great filter. It's really too bad that RedHat has taken it over and is slowly killing it from the inside by bribing the council and people that seized control of the repos about a decade ago. Thankfully, Funtoo is a thing and gets better with each passing year and Gentoo can still be unfucked for the moment. But I expect to see it go systemd only at some point in the next few years. It's already effectively systemd by default. They just invoke everything from OpenRC instead of systemd itself.

I personally use s6 init and have removed all traces of potteringware from my config. It took a couple of days to set all that up like 4 years ago. But since then it just works. I run nightly updates with portage from the ~amd64 repos. Unlike Arch systems I've maintained portage doesn't break itself without my direct input. I probably have to manually do something for updates like twice a year.

 No.1453

¥haven't played video games in months
¥no real desire to
¥play mahjsoul finally
¥get a double kan in a row and nothing came of it
¥do terrible in bronze
¥close the game
¥open world of warships with my old clan
¥terrible games there too
¥leave and just go back to browsing
i should just work on drawing

 No.1454

you have to get angry to like multiplayer games which have luck... like warships and jong

 No.1461

¥ open up text document
¥ closes text document
man it really be like that in this bitch of a kali yuga.

 No.1462

Lately my mouse has been freaking out a bit and being inaccurate when making precise movements. Usually this means there's a cat hair in the little optical enclosure thing, but it LOOKS clear. I guess I need a better flashlight or something...

 No.1463

>>1462
I bought myself a can of compressed air to blow out any dust in my mouse wheel. Helped a bunch

 No.1464

>>1463
Ohh, compressed air. Yeah, that could work. Guess I need to buy one...

 No.1465

There's this relatively new Game Maker competitor created by RPGMaker which seems kind of promising. More games have been popping up by Japanese people using it
https://pixel-game-maker-mv.itch.io/

It's still a "No Programming Required" type product, but it seems more flexible in what it allows.

 No.1466

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it seems like it also allows for manual coding if you need to do more than what the no-code provides. Seems like a good tool for solo studios without much programming XP

 No.1529

Is there a file explorer that uses a tagging system? For example: There's a directory for all your anime songs with each anime having its own directory and what not, but creating a OPED directory for each anime, then having to go through all those anime to create a playlist of only OPEDs is a pain. So you tag files as "OPED" and when you want just the OPEDs you can bypass the directory barrier and show all the files tagged as OPEDs inside a certain parent directory.
Directory view:
AniSongs:
anime1:
OPED:
op.mp3
ed.mp3
song1.mp3
song2.mp3
anime2:
OPED:
op.mp3
ed.mp3
song1.mp3
song2.mp3
anime3:
OPED:
op.mp3
ed.mp3
song1.mp3
song2.mp3

Filter by OPED tag:
AniSongs:
anime1/OPED/op.mp3
anime1/OPED/ed.mp3
anime2/OPED/op.mp3
anime2/OPED/ed.mp3
anime3/OPED/op.mp3
anime3/OPED/ed.mp3

 No.1532

fan that came with my case started rattling so I took it out. Apparently the ballbearings aren't infinite

 No.1533

Is it possible to convert PSG subtitles into SRT?

 No.1545

To spend 4 years making an RPGMaker game, and 3 years making a prior game in the same system. If this is what it takes to make a legendary indie game and they're not even tackling programming related problems...

Not to forget that whoever probably spent prior years learning to draw or coordinate a team for a product..

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>>1533
Seems to be so

 No.1564

>>1533
>>1550
It's bad and requires local software. PGS subtitles are image files. Meaning they have to be OCRed which is never perfect process and will require a lot of manual editing on your part to the resulting SRT (text) files.

What show are you trying to convert? You might be better off searching for existing SRT conversion by someone else. I can help you (maybe do it for you) if you really need it for something hard to find though.

PGS -> text file is why the most popular release for Moon Phase on nyaa right now has tons of errors in it. I was correcting a lot of them a few months ago. But then I got busy on other things.

Bit off topic but: I'm working on a new subtitle format that doesn't kill toasters while allowing advanced typesetting. Well it isn't my format (it's W3C standard) but hardly anyone uses it right now even though it has been around for years. I'm basically working on Aegisub replacement.

 No.1566

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>>1564
the kaiji subs from last friday were PSG and handbrake couldn't burn them in so I figured something was odd about them.

I imagined that it was something about OCR

 No.1567

>>1566
PGS is the subtitle format native to DVD. They had to make them image based because most DVD players lacked the ability/power to decode advanced subtitle effects in real time and they wanted more advanced subtitles than a format like SRT (SubRip) could offer.

If you see PGS in an .mkv file it came from a DVD 9 times out of 10. That said it should be possible to "burn them in" (hardsub them) provided you have the right software. I'm sure ffmpeg could do it. Although I wouldn't go through the trouble.

Can you source .ass/.srt from somewhere else for this show? If the timing is a bit off that's an easy fix.

 No.1568

i'm sure I can, but I was wondering if there were a way around it. For some reason handbrake should be able to do it, but it can't. Maybe it requires text for something, but it's supposed to not require it

 No.1569

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>>1568
Are you sure you had "burn in" selected? You sounded unsure in the stream chat

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 No.1571

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>>1570
Ehhhh.... can't say I want to download all that just to see if that was the problem

 No.1572

>>1571
>all
it only takes one episode

 No.1573

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>>1572
I guess I could do that, but I could also focus on taking screenshots of Kuon...

 No.1574

File:[Db]Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji U….mp4 (1.95 MB,1910x1072)

Actually I tried it and let's see if it worked...

 No.1575

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>>1574
Seems like it worked. You just have to make sure it's not on the 'foreign audio scan' since that never works. I have no idea what that even entails because in reality it means "select this if you don't want subs".
But, it's interesting to see "Burn in" greyed out on this default option titled Official Subs. There's definitely something unusual about these subs when compared to most of the ones I've seen in Handbrake.

 No.1576

>>1575
>>1575
This is why I don't like frontends and I'm working on one. In general I try to stick with working with codecs directly or through ffmpeg at the CLI. Causes less issues once you know your way around.

Happy you got it to work.

 No.1577

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>>1575
The problem was actually "Forced Only"

 No.1578

>In Handbrake, the setting was of limited use, as it relied on the subtitle being correctly tagged. You'll now see Foreign audio scan in subtitle settings, where Handbrake looks at the lines in the subtitle track to work out if it's likely to be a forced / foreign audio subtitle track, but it can and does get it wrong.
Strange

 No.1579

>>1578
Oh, huh. Yeah, I've never had it actually do anything. And weird that the 'forced only' thing was what broke it. Huh. Yeah, I try not to mess with these settings as long as what I have works.

 No.1580

>>1579
It may be (without looking closer myself) that there are two subtitles. One is dialog+signs while the other is signs only. Assuming the DVD had a dub of any kind the "forced" subtitles would be the ones that play along with dubbed audio. Kind of like the "forced" subtitles in a movie where certain characters are speaking another language and subtitles are needed for the English speakers to understand what's been said. Think of movies like Dances with Wolves and things of that nature.

 No.1767

I should never have started using .unwrap() in my Rust code. Now there are 480 occurrences of it and some of them are cause undetected crashes in a tauri app.

 No.1794

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Recompressing PS2 games as gzip because AetherSX2 can read gzip'd isos (but can't do normal zip files for some reason...). At first, I was using 7zip, but I noticed it was only using two cores. I'm used to seeing 7z use every core. For a while I was fruitlessly searching why 7zip's gz compression was so slow, but the search was poisoned by having both "7z" or "7zip" AND "gz" or "gzip" in the search so I kept getting results related to 7z, and the gz results there were were like 15 years old... Eventually I found a stack exchange post, and in the comments to a result I found someone mention "pigz" which properly parallelizes gz compression to use all cores.

It took 6 hours using 7z's gz implementation to compress 26 files (82.6GB). It only took pigz 7 minutes to do the same (´・ω・`)

 No.1795

nevermind... AetherSX2 is stupid and rescans all files every time you open it if they're GZ by decompressing them instead of checking filenames. how stupid... fortunately, it seems that there's an alternative in CHD which should have the same compression level.

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 No.1798

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>>1797
Well, you would at least remove Windows 11 from it, right?
I don't know laptop-only hardware like onboard GPU stuff so I can't comment on that. I also don't see the price there, but the resolution and RAM is absurd and probably indicates an expensive laptop with high specs that people won't use. 16 inch screen and the resolution is 4k? What is the use case for that? If you open an old program that doesn't scale you're going to have a program window that's 4 inches across. Fonts in most programs will be a nightmare.
It's been the common wisdom to not buy 4k monitors unless you're getting the ones that are like 90 inches and you have specific usage in mind, it's not a technology involved with "future-proofing" at all since we're still actually waiting for 4k content to be something other than a gimmick.

 No.1799

>>1798
Oh, a possible resolution exception is a drawing pad screen, but that one is "non-touch" so you're not going to need that much pixel density.

 No.1800

>>1798
Really? Can't see the price?

Save $2,470.00
45% off
Est Value
$5,479.00
$3,009.00

 No.1801

>>1800
I use noscript and after enabling a few domains and still not getting functionality I figured something was just not working. Yeah, that price is quite absurd but about what I'd expect.

 No.1802

Yeah. The screen stuff is a good take. I'd like a laptop that can double as a desktop so the actual quality of screen, keyboard, weight, etc. isn't a big deal. Someone's brought up the possibility of Linux install laptops which save 150$

 No.1803

>>1802
The latest thinkpads are starting to have worse Linux support. But if you get one 1-3 years old they usually come with decent CPU+GPU. The T14 gen 1 AMD laptops are really nice, have full support in Linux and you can pick up a dock cheap. Pretty much tailor made to function as a desktop. If you're going to be desktop-only most of the time and don't care about more than 4 hours of battery life the P14s are the "performance" of the T14s and come with slightly better hardware at the cost of less battery life. But they are still a laptop so the CPU/GPU can only do so much before throttling kicks in.

If you go with a T14/P14 thinkpad make sure to get one with maxed out RAM (32GB). They come with soldered RAM and a RAM slot. So you'll want to make sure to get one with 16GB soldered RAM and add a 16GB stick to the slot to get dual-channel RAM which greatly helps performance by allowed the CPU to take advantage of the dual channel support.

You can install an extra M.2 SSD in the WWAN slot on T/P14s. So you can expand the storage or run a dual boot without having to partition the NVMe SSD that comes with it. It's picky about what kinds of SSDs it'll accept though. They're pretty cheap now.

I've had no issues with the AMD version of the T14 gen 1 when it comes to linux by the way. It ran both Gentoo and Arch fine. Other people say it runs all the major distros like Debian and Ubuntu with no issues. The driver support is really good now on the latest kernels. Even the fingerprint reader works for logins. You just need to change a couple of things in the BIOS to ensure hibernation works (although I rarely use that feature).

Other people report problems with their keyboard after extended use. Hasn't happened to me yet. But the keyboard is pretty easy to replace and parts are both cheap and available.

Mine is the touch screen model. I suggest getting it because the screen is better than some of the others that were offered. Usually they cost a bit more. If you end up getting one with the lower quality screen they are easy to replace. Thinkpads are good because of the aftermarket support.

Just be warned that models after the T14s/P14s/L14s are getting less friendly to modify and work on. I'm not well versed in models that came out after the one I have. But a lot of people complain about them. One important thing you might want to know is every model after the T14s no longer came with an Ethernet port. That's something to consider if you plan to use it as a desktop. Also the T14s like I have require taking the case apart to replace the battery. Earlier models allowed you to do that by simply popping it out. Later models are even harder to take apart for battery replacement since the trend in thinner and harder to work on these days. T14 is probably the last laptop I'll buy unless another company comes along that offers something similar and it gets good aftermarket support.

I looked at all of the companies selling pre-installed Linux laptops when I comparing models for my next laptop. None of them seemed very good. The hardware was typically older than a used thinkpad, they had less aftermarket support and they were priced much higher. The system76 or whatever it is called seemed like a huge scam. A company that talks a big game but delivers bullshit. The hardware is really old and the OS they offered is basically Ubuntu+a bad DE. The only people that buy something like that are the same people that are terrified of the command line and installing their own OS. It feels like such companies only get popular due to shilling campaigns and they don't really contribute anything of value back to the Linxu ecosystem. Most of the users seem like they have buyers remorse once they find out they could have gotten a better laptop for 1/4th the price. I'd avoid them.

 No.1804

>>1803
By the way. Don't buy through Amazon re-sellers there still have T14 Gen 1 listed upwards to $1k. If you wait on Ebay sales you can get them pretty cheap. I just found this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/235704029112?_skw=thinkpad+t14+gen+1+amd

I paid about $400 for one with maxed out RAM and the touchscreen last Christmas. You'll want to be mindful of the screen listed and the RAM. Avoid all of the 8GB soldered RAM offerings. I'd also avoid the Ryzen 5 models since you get the Ryzen 7 one for usually the same (or cheaper) price. Avoid the Intel ones as well (worse GPU support in Linux).

I can't remember now why I avoided everything after the Gen1 models. But I want to say it has worse Linux support and the hardware updates weren't worth it.

 No.1805

>>1804
https://www.ebay.com/itm/126694177894?_skw=thinkpad+t14+gen+1+amd

32GB RAM+Touch screen. This is the same one I bought last year.

 No.1806

>>1805
Wait sorry that's the T14S. Again, can't remember why I avoided those but I do know the regular T14 was a better laptop. Anyway, keep an eye on Ebay and buy a used thinkpad. You can't go wrong as long as you do your research.

 No.1807

>>1804
>>1805
>>1806
I found the one I bought. Different sellers and around the same price I paid last holiday season; https://www.ebay.com/itm/166992050370?_skw=thinkpad+t14+gen+1+amd

$50 more than the $400 it was during Christmas. Still not a bad deal. CPU+GPU is powerful enough that it should last you until the end of the decade as long as you aren't doing something crazy. You can pick up the dock pretty cheap. But you don't really need it. You can run external monitors and such without it.

 No.1808

>>1804
When you say bad linux support on newer models what does that mean? If they run AMD they have good linux support

 No.1809

>>1808
Typically, things like webcams, fingerprint readers, the mobile modems and parts of the chipset aren't supported. So it will run but you may not be able to do things like hibernate or suspend to RAM. The battery life might be really bad etc.

The T14 was like that for the first several months-year of its life span. The processor ran fine but you couldn't change the frequency even from the command line. So it ran at the highest speed possible the entire time it was on. Thus the battery life was really bad.

 No.1810

>>1797
>>1800
People spend upwards of $5500 on laptops these days??

 No.1811

>>1810
I'm gonna assume it's just misleading marketing and they always intended to sell it for $3k which is insane, but now it "looks like a good deal" when it's obviously not worth it.

 No.1812

>>1810
A lot of that pricing comes from the fact that companies that buy laptops for their employees upgrade on a 2-3 year cycle. So everything is overpriced because they know they'll pay it. That's why you wait and buy used stuff off ebay. When those companies upgrade they dump all their old stock for cheap attempting to recoup some of the costs.

 No.1813

>>1808
>>1809
I forgot to mention: One of the main things about new laptops and linux is the fact that a lot of the time the wifi driver is no good of half working. Which makes modern laptops pretty useless considering they don't have ethernet ports. At least with the ethernet port you can do the install while wired into the LAN and maybe hack the driver into working reliably (or using the Windows driver through WINE).

Rule of thumb is 6 months-year after release before a laptop is 90-100% functioning on Linux. Longer if you don't run bleeding edge kernels. Most exotic stuff might never function at all. For example, even the T14 has a huge issue with secure boot. If you delete the default keys by mistake you'll brick the machine and the only fix is to send it back to the vendor for motherboard replacement.

Archwiki is the best place to check for this kind of stuff. Here is the page for the laptop I linked above: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T14_(AMD)_Gen_1

If Linux is your goal you have to be really careful and do your research. Least you end up with something that had great hardware but forces you to run an OS you dislike. Lenovo is one of the few companies that even cares about Linux support and even they release laptops all of the time that aren't working with Linux correctly. Some things can be excused because they have no control over the kernel. But stuff like the secure keys issue is 100% on them. At least they'll respond to your help requests on their own forum and it's filled with people actively trying to debug and fix issues in Linux.

Please do not pay over $1k for any laptop. You'll regret it.

 No.1814

>>1807
I looked at the PSREF for this, unfortunately it doesn't have USB4 (which I could use for external GPU) and there are configurations with bad screens not covering 100% sRGB unless you go with higher resolution.
Newer generations do support USB4 but with all RAM soldered, and still have the screen problem. Might as well go with X13 with 32GB soldered RAM, which don't have trash screens available.

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 No.1820

>>1814
What's the problem? Get a display port adapter for your external screens. Why are you attempting to get top of the line screen in laptop anyway? This isn't the use case for such computers.
>external GPU
Real waste of money. Why not build a desktop and save yourself a big headache?

For what you're going to spend for a laptop that doubles as both and checks all these boxes you could have had nice used laptop and decent desktop. A 12 year old desktop/cpu/gpu can run all AAA games at 60+fps at acceptable resolutions. A 6 year old desktop can do 60+fps with 4k. There is little point in what you're attempting to do. By the time you've paid for the top of the line laptop and external GPU you'll have spent more money that you would have spent on a decent desktop+laptop combo with sane system specs. If you do what you're thinking about doing you're just going to want to upgrade in a couple of years.

Trust me. Trying to make a laptop into a gaming PC is a _very_ bad idea due to CPU throttling. My laptop has a much better CPU than my desktop that I use to render/encode video. But it can't take advantage of the increased speeds because of the heat. It can only do short bursts at 100% at its top speed because the fans can't keep up and it's forced to throttle down to save itself.

I made the same mistake you're able to make in the mid-late 2000s. I tried to use laptop as my primary desktop. All that happened was I destroyed the battery twice by leaving it plugged in and charging while at 100% and the bottom of the case melted from the constant 100% pegged out CPU. It sucked for gaming. It sucked for video work. It sucked for everything that wasn't web browser, watching videos and text editing. When it finally needed parts replaced it was a big pain in the ass to fix because it wasn't designed for being serviced by anything but small chinese children's hands.

Save yourself the trouble and buy a proper desktop and decent used laptop. You don't have to drop thousands on a desktop with a decent CPU. You can get good deals on 1-3 year old desktop computers with plenty of SATA and PCIe ports for cheap. They used to be even cheaper before youtubers started shilling them and running the prices through the roof.

 No.1821

>>1820
Have had similar experience with laptops.
Had to get a "gaming laptop" (gaming laptops are a scam) for class work when I was in college, the throttle with the heating problems was so bad that I could never make full use of the specs. Every laptop in class either had heating problems or had the loudest fans, or both. Eventually had to get a desktop because I couldn't get any work done. The desktop I got for the same price as the "gaming laptop" was leagues better than the laptop; better GPU, better CPU, more storage, and most importantly better cooling. You could have the same CPU/GPU combo in a laptop and a desktop and the desktop will always win. You'll probably get performance comparable to a latest laptop with a decade old desktop minus heating problems.
Any laptop rated for anything other than web browsing is a scam, you're better off buying a desktop instead which will cost you a fraction of the laptop's price. The laptop space is absolutely saturated with marketing jargon, it's all bullcrap.

 No.1822

>>1820
>Why are you attempting to get top of the line screen in laptop anyway? This isn't the use case for such computers.
Because I go outside, unlike you it seems.
>Real waste of money. Why not build a desktop and save yourself a big headache?
I already have a desktop with a powerful GPU, which replaced an older one (still powerful enough with 8GB VRAM to run lots of games and AI models). The old GPU is just sitting there collecting dust. Why are you so against utilizing it for something useful?
>For what you're going to spend for a laptop that doubles as both and checks all these boxes you could have had nice used laptop and decent desktop.
I already have them. I have like 6 used laptops at the moment and I recently got another one for free. But none of them have a good GPU, and any "gaming" laptop with a discrete GPU would have much more thermal problems than having an external desktop GPU that I can use with my laptop.
>Trying to make a laptop into a gaming PC is a _very_ bad idea due to CPU throttling.
I go outside and travel and I'm not going to carry a full desktop with me. An external GPU is the best thing I can have on the go. Games and especially AI models are GPU-bound anyway.

 No.1823

>>1804
For various reasons second hand won't compare with new at 7/10 the price. That one also doesn't ship past the north border.

But it's interesting because I could buy new and get reimbursement on SSDs and RAM to upgrade to required. I'm not a huge fan of laptop disassembly though.

 No.1824

>>1822
Fine go ahead and waste your money. If you're resorting to
>I go outside unlike you
I know you aren't worth the time of day. They never listen.

Let us know how hauling around your external GPU when you go outside works for you.

 No.1825

>>1824
Not my fault if you can't comprehend that not all people have the same need as you. I expected the exact non technical nonsense response like this from you. The only reason that I bothered to articulate my response at all is to shine light on your self-ignorance for everyone to see. It's not the first time you did something similar here.

Let us know how hauling around your desktop when you go outside works for you. Hard mode: don't cope with "i'm so adult that don't need to play game when i travel lol".

 No.1826

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How did you guys manage to get so heated over a simple discussion about laptops...

 No.1827

>>1825
Where do you take your laptop outside that you want to play games? Normally a laptop functions as a mobile work computer. I don't understand your usecase for external GPU unless it's to use GPU processing

>>1826
passion

 No.1828

>>1827
>I don't understand your usecase for external GPU unless it's to use GPU processing
ML models. Otherwise you have to rely on external services that are paid, hoard your data, unsuitable for customized setups, and have to use network which isn't good for traveling.

 No.1831

>>1826
I'm not worked up. I tried to give him good advice and he accused me of
>never going outside
if I'd known I was dealing with an idiot I wouldn't have bothered in the first place. Let him waste his money. He'll just double down on being stupid when he finds out it was a bad idea. Don't bother trying to help people that piss into the wind then wonder why they got covered in pee.

 No.1832

going outs*de is what the norms do

 No.1833

>>1828
Let me ignore my own advice and try this one more time; A sane person would build a home server. Which could house multiple GPUs and you could run your little ML model on it then access it from anywhere in the world with an internet connection using your laptop. This is spending your money and time wisely. We even have this nifty and well proven piece of software called Xorg that will allow you to directly interact with any GUI application running on said server as if it was natively running on your lower end hardware. Been used for years by professionals and hobbyists alike. Of course. If the software is pure CLI screen and tmux works fine to.

You will regret this. If you want to find out the hard way be my guest. But there is a reason everyone that attempts them never buys another one.

 No.1834

>>1831
>I tried to give him good advice and he accused me of
>>never going outside
Let me ask you: do you? If you do extensively, you would've known how these advice you blindly reiterate from what you saw other people taking on the internet actually work out.

>>1833
>A sane person would build a home server.
>This is spending your money and time wisely.
Sure, let's ignore the money and time needed to get a suitable internet connection without the typical ISP restrictions, setting up domain/DNS and UPS, 24/7 AC to cool the server room, fending off attackers, and keep maintaining this infrastructure, while hoping your dog doesn't eat the Ethernet cable while you're out.

>then access it from anywhere in the world with an internet connection using your laptop
I see, you didn't even bother reading my post about internet connection. Have you ever tried using internet "anywhere in the world" outside your home? You have no idea how spotty these kinds of connections can be.

>We even have this nifty and well proven piece of software called Xorg that will allow you to directly interact with any GUI application running on said server as if it was natively running on your lower end hardware.
Another nonsense clearly from some who has only surface understanding on this matter. Native X11 forwarding is literally unusable outside of LAN setups due to outdated design, and you have the audacity to talk about "anywhere in the world". Do you even have any idea what Xpra is? And good luck with any gaming attempt with the internet latency.

>You will regret this. If you want to find out the hard way be my guest. But there is a reason everyone that attempts them never buys another one.
Projection of your mind isn't reality. What does "another one" mean anyway? An eGPU box doesn't need to be changed when upgrading GPUs.

 No.1835

Apparently I need a UPS because my power keeps cutting out ...

 No.1836

>>1835
>Apparently I need a UPS because my power keeps cutting out ...
i got one after a few blackouts/blips and after that only experienced one power outage
i think when its autumn and there are thunderstorms thats the biggest risk of power outs so in a few months itll be handy again

 No.1848

A Google breakup is seriously being considered now

 No.1849

>>1848
What's a Google breakup...

 No.1850


 No.1851

feel like everything he says is wrong

 No.1852

well, not the stuff that you try to use words to generate code. But use it as a tool for text complete

 No.1854

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>>1853
Your site has a subsection to sell ad space but you're advertising here a second time without paying? I think that's unfair!

 No.1870

He used to be saying AI wasn't decent enough at coding. Now he's saying it's as good as someone with a few months of experience.

Kind of weird conclusion. But neat headline and change of opinions

 No.1871

To kind of clarify after watching. He's saying it's as good as a fresh graduate from a CS class who only did things for homework assignments and prepared for interviews. Basically for the entry level positions that existed solely to onboard juniors

 No.1872

Legal spyware

 No.1873

do not update to windows11

 No.1874

why am i not allowed to extract multiple files from 7z at once...

 No.1903

going to attempt to learn python again

 No.2066

>>1873
It's 'aight

 No.2067

>>2066
it is not!

 No.2068

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I'm actually surprised by how cheap a game console is compared to all the other tech things I bought recently.

 No.2150

sometimes I'm shocked that computers even work

 No.2312

what are my choices for a decent vr set that's good quality?

 No.2314

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>>2312
My recommendation would be: Quest 2 if you just want something cheap and don't mind buying used, Quest 3s if you're getting into VR for the first time and want something new but decently priced, Quest 3 if you're okay spending a bit more but want the best standalone headset, and Quest Pro if you have more money than sense and get really into VR and want face and eye tracking for some reason. You can consider Pico if you don't live in North America, but I'm frankly unsure if they'll continue selling in Western markets because their sales have been quite poor; they also have a reputation for dropping support for their last headset as soon as they release a new one. If you buy used, I would caution that you don't end up buying the headset by itself. With the Quest headsets, I'm fairly certain you can only enable hand-tracking after you've set the headset up using the controllers.

Below is a more in-depth comparison, with dropdowns, for the headsets I mentioned.

Worldwide:
Quest 2: Good quality, very cheap ($100 - $150 used)+++ Lots of third-party accessories
+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
+++ 120Hz displays
+++ Very wide selection of standalone apps & games
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ AA battery-powered controllers (30 hours or more with a single rechargeable AA)
+ Fairly high resolution (1920 x 1832 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Can use either the default controllers or the Quest Pro controllers (Quest Pro controllers are self-tracking)
+ WiFi 6
+ Good microphone
~ Decent FOV (97° horizontal, 93° vertical)
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ No longer in production; You will have to buy used.
~ Controllers have a tracking ring
~ Single LCD display
- Black and white, low-resolution passthrough (Uses the IR tracking cameras)
- Controllers need to be within line-of-sight of the tracking cameras, otherwise they lose tracking
-- Uncomfortable to use with glasses (Prescription lens inserts available from third-parties, such as VR Optician)
-- Fresnel lenses (high glare in contrasty scenes, slight chromatic aberration at lens fringes, "low detail"; easy to get used to, however)
-- No manual IPD slider (3 notch settings; may be an issue if your eyes aren't a "normal" distance apart)
-- FOV dependent on IPD (FOV ranges between 85° and 97° depending on IPD)
-- Poor default comfort (You likely will want to buy a third-party headstrap, replacement facial interface, controller grips, glasses protectors so your
glasses don't scratch the lenses, etc.)
-- Requires a Meta account, and need to use the Meta/Oculus app to setup headset (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)
-- Still receiving updates, but slated to lose support eventually

Quest 3s: Good quality, decent price ($300 new, ~$250 used) -- minor upgrades over the Quest 2+++ Lots of third-party accessories
+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
+++ 120Hz displays
+++ Very wide selection of standalone apps & games
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ AA battery-powered controllers (30 hours or more with a single rechargeable AA)
+ WiFi 6E
+ Fairly high resolution (1920 x 1832 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Can use either the default controllers or the Quest Pro controllers (Quest Pro controllers are self-tracking)
+ Currently in-production. Can buy either new or used.
+ Actively receiving updates.
+ Color passthrough (passthrough quality is highly dependent on indoor lighting; higher brightness will look better)
+ Controllers do not have a tracking ring
+ Good microphone
~ Decent FOV (97° horizontal, 93° vertical)
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ Single LCD Display
- Controllers need to be within line-of-sight of the tracking cameras, otherwise they lose tracking
-- Uncomfortable to use with glasses (Prescription lens inserts available from third-parties, such as VR Optician)
-- Fresnel lenses (high glare in contrasty scenes, slight chromatic aberration at lens fringes, "low detail"; easy to get used to, however)
-- No manual IPD slider (3 notch settings; may be an issue if your eyes aren't a "normal" distance apart)
-- FOV dependent on IPD (FOV ranges between 85° and 97° depending on IPD)
-- Poor default comfort (You likely will want to buy a third-party headstrap, replacement facial interface, controller grips, glasses protectors so your glasses don't scratch the lenses, etc.)
-- Requires a Meta account, and need to use the Meta/Oculus app to setup headset (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)

Quest Pro: Good quality, over-priced (~$900 new, ~$800 used)+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
+++ Very wide selection of standalone apps & games
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ Controllers are self-tracking and do NOT need to be within line-of-sight of the tracking cameras
++ Pancake lenses (minor glare in contrasty scenes, "high detail" and very clear to see through)
++ Manual IPD slider (55-75mm)
++ Comfortable to use with glasses (Prescription lens inserts also available from third-parties, such as VR Optician)
+ 90Hz displays
+ WiFi 6E
+ Some third-party accessories
+ Fairly high resolution (1920 x 1800 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Eye-tracking
+ Face-tracking
+ Can use either the default controllers or the Quest Pro controllers (Quest Pro controllers )
+ Currently in-production. Can buy either new or used.
+ Actively receiving updates.
+ Controllers do not have a tracking ring
+ Good FOV (106° horizontal, 96° vertical)
~ Color passthrough (uses a mix between the black and white tracking cameras and the color passthrough camera, which results in color-fringing similar to an analog TV station that has poor reception)
~ Rechargeable controllers (~8 hours of usage; does not use AAs)
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ Independent displays per eye (Displays use LCDs with local dimming, which can cause bloom)
~ Ability to remove light blockers so you can see downwards and slightly within your peripheral vision
- Poor microphone (Tends to have popping)
- Tends to get noticeably warm with usage
-- Poor binocular overlap (May be more nauseating and harder to adjust to that usual)
-- Integrated headstrap (There is no real availability for altering the default comfort)
-- Requires a Meta account, and need to use the Meta/Oculus app to setup headset (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)

Quest 3: Very Good quality, decent price ($500 new, ~$350 used)+++ Lots of third-party accessories
+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
+++ Very wide selection of standalone apps & games
+++ 120Hz displays
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ AA battery-powered controllers (30 hours or more with a single rechargeable AA)
++ Pancake lenses (minor glare in contrasty scenes, "high detail" and very clear to see through)
++ Manual IPD slider (58-71mm)
+ WiFi 6E
+ Fairly high resolution (2064 x 2208 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Can use either the default controllers or the Quest Pro controllers (Quest Pro controllers are self-tracking)
+ Currently in-production. Can buy either new or used. (128GB model discontinued)
+ Actively receiving updates.
+ Color passthrough (passthrough quality is highly dependent on indoor lighting; higher brightness will look better)
+ Controllers do not have a tracking ring
+ Good FOV (110° horizontal, 96° vertical)
+ Good microphone
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ Independent displays per eye
- Controllers need to be within line-of-sight of the tracking cameras, otherwise they lose tracking
-- Uncomfortable to use with glasses (Prescription lens inserts available from third-parties, such as VR Optician)
-- Poor default comfort (You likely will want to buy a third-party headstrap, replacement facial interface, controller grips, glasses protectors so your glasses don't scratch the lenses, etc.)
-- Requires a Meta account, and need to use the Meta/Oculus app to setup headset (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)

Europe/Asia Only:
Pico 4: Good quality, fairly cheap (~£200/~€200 used)+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ AA battery-powered controllers (20 hours or more with a two rechargeable AAs)
++ Pancake lenses (minor glare in contrasty scenes, "high detail" and very clear to see through)
++ Manual IPD slider (62-72mm)
++ Comfortable to use with glasses (Prescription lens inserts also available from third-parties, such as VR Optician)
+ 90Hz displays
+ WiFi 6
+ Some third-party accessories
+ Fairly high resolution (2160 x 2160 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Actively receiving updates.
+ Good FOV (104° horizontal, 103° vertical)
+ Fairly good comfort
~ Decent selection of standalone apps & games
~ Decent microphone
~ No longer in production; You will have to buy used.
~ Controllers have a tracking ring
~ Color passthrough (Non-depth corrected; Appears like a 2D image rather than stereoscopic 3D, causing difficulty picking up items or interacting with things IRL)
~ Rechargeable controllers (~8 hours of usage; does not use AAs)
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ Independent displays per eye (Displays use LCDs with local dimming, which can cause bloom)
~ Integrated headstrap (There is no real availability for altering the default comfort)
-- Requires a Pico account (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)
--- Questionable long-term support (Pico also isn't doing well in the VR market)
--- Not available in North America (Pico is owned by the ByteDance, owner of TikTok)

Pico 4 Ultra: Good quality, over-priced (~£440/~€500 new)+++ Usable for PCVR via local WiFi streaming (does not use internet)
++ Wireless (Battery life ~2 hours, extendable to ~10 hours with a 10,000 mAh USB C PD battery pack or longer with a larger battery)
++ AA battery-powered controllers (20 hours or more with a two rechargeable AAs)
++ Pancake lenses (minor glare in contrasty scenes, "high detail" and very clear to see through)
++ Manual IPD slider (58-72mm)
++ Comfortable to use with glasses
+ 90Hz displays
+ WiFi 6E
+ Fairly high resolution (2160 x 2160 per eye)
+ Hand-tracking
+ Currently in-production. Not really any used headsets available.
+ Actively receiving updates.
+ Controllers do not have a tracking ring
+ Good FOV (104° horizontal, 103° vertical)
+ Fairly good comfort
~ Decent selection of standalone apps & games
~ Decent Microphone
~ Color passthrough
~ Standalone (OS built into the headset itself, does not require a PC to use)
~ Independent displays per eye (Displays use LCDs with local dimming, which can cause bloom)
~ Integrated headstrap (There is no real availability for altering the default comfort)
-- Basically no third-party accessories
-- Requires a Pico account (Only required on first setup; headset can be used without internet)
--- Questionable long-term support (Pico also isn't doing well in the VR market)
--- Not available in North America (Pico is owned by the ByteDance, owner of TikTok)

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 No.2317

Got a SIM card for my laptop. Only took a few minutes for stuff to update and to find cell service and direct me to a portal to active service, but then actually having my laptop receive internet from my cell provider took like 12 hours. It genuinely makes me wonder if there's just some guy somewhere that has a dashboard like "+1 (555) 555-5555 has activated their service plan. Enable data? Y/n" because it seems incomprehensible why it should take so long and it seems like a pretty standard issue. When I set up my phone a few years ago the same thing happened where it was taking forever, and just calling some number to complain caused my phone's cell service to activate a few minutes later. I don't understand why this isn't a faster process -- and if it is automated, what's the issue that's causing it to take so long?

 No.2318

>>2314
Very detailed post. I'm thinking that i would want the pro because there won't be much improvement in the tech besides easier use

 No.2319

I'm also a glasses wearer and slightly hypertrophic (astigmatism) so i need glasses

 No.2322

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>>2318
>>2319
I honestly think the Quest Pro would be a bad first choice for VR... Maybe I should have been more forceful in my rhetoric, but genuinely, the only reason to buy a Quest Pro is for the face and eye tracking. The Quest 3 is a significantly better all-around headset. If you need to wear glasses, I would recommend getting a pair of lens inserts from VR Optician. Lens inserts just snap onto the lenses of the VR headset so that you don't need to wear a pair of glasses inside the headset. Not having to wear glasses within the headset also improves FOV because your eyes will be closer to the displays and is significantly more comfortable for longer usage.

 No.2323

>>2317
Internet speeds seemed oddly bad compared to my phone, but then I remembered that when I was installing the antennas in my laptop, there were these copper pads connected to the antenna wires. I didn't thinking much of it, and just put the copper pads on top of some foam padding that was where the copper pads needed to go. Turns out, maybe those copper pads need to be completely flat and not bumpy to get good reception... Thankfully, I was able to lift the foam padding with their adhesive still attached, and then press those copper antenna pads flat, and then put the foam padding on top of the copper pads. And, well... Now things seem to be working a lot better. I was getting like 1-4 Mb/s before, and now I'm getting closer to 12-20 Mb/s, so big improvement.

 No.2327

>>2322
From what their store website says they won't even ship a pro to me in Canada. So idk. I might just need to pay the sort of premium on lenses after I get a 3 and see what the problems are.

But my other point was is the technology actually going to get much better?

 No.2328

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>>2327
>is the technology actually going to get much better?
VR hardware, for all intents and purposes, has the potential to improve, but I don't believe any mass market devices -- at competitive and affordable prices -- will significantly improve within the next few years.

If I really had to guess, I would say that within the next 2-3 years it's possible that Meta will release a 2560 x 2560 per eye headset, likely running at 90Hz. 120Hz if you're optimistic. It's unlikely that it would include face- and eye-tracking since Meta has said that they cancelled their plans for a Quest Pro 2. FoV would likely remain the same as the Quest 3 at 110° HFov x 96° VFoV. Price would likely be the same as, or potentially higher than the Quest 3. General design is likely to follow the trend of the Quest having removable facial interface and headstrap, allowing for third-party accessories, as opposed to having an integrated battery counterweight headstrap (like seen on the Quest Pro). I would expect that Google/Samsung, Lenovo, and potentially Apple are all targeting similar specifications.

To understand VR development, you first have to understand that there are two philosophies of VR: mobile SoC powered standalone VR, and PC powered wired VR. The hardware exists for >=150° FoV, for >=120Hz displays, for high contrast uOLED displays, for 4K x 4K per eye resolution, for face-, eye-, and hand-tracking, inside-out tracking, and wireless VR. Putting all of that into a single headset, however, has various challenges.

The PC side of things is currently much closer to that than standalone is, but everyone can see that base station SteamVR tracking is a dead-end and that inside-out, wireless VR is the future; particularly as Valve has ceased production of SteamVR 2.0 base stations and given HTC full rights to produce them in their place. PCVR, as a result, is currently in a hardware lull, waiting for Valve to release the headset they've been working on for the last few years to see what they do. Valve, and SteamVR, is really the linchpin that PCVR relies on for hardware direction and software support, which is why the rumors about what they're doing with their next headset are so significant. Regardless, PCVR tends to appeal to more niche, high-end users so they can easily charge >=$1K for a headset by itself. The options are essentially Bigscreen Beyond ($1000, headset only, ~$600 SteamVR basestation and controllers setup required in addition), Pimax ($1000-2000 range, headset only, requires SteamVR setup), and Varjo ($1-4K, enterprise subscription required for some headsets, SteamVR setup required), and Valve Index (completely out-of-date -- nearly 6 years old -- overpriced at $1K, and now completely outclassed by the Quest 3).

Standalone, by contrast, is much more mass market focused, and price conscious. Currently, the biggest thing holding it back is mobile SoC performance: high resolution displays are available currently, but there aren't many SoC's available that can do much more than around 2160 x 2160 per eye. Apple's Vision Pro is standalone and runs at ~3660x3200 @ 100Hz, but to do so they essentially put a desktop class M2 processor and a co-processor inside and the headset itself costs $3500 -- but in typical Apple fashion, they refused to design the headset with controllers so it's unusable for gaming. As a result, if you wanted to use it for PCVR and have controllers, you could potentially integrate it into a PC SteamVR-tracked setup, but that would cost somewhere in the range of an additional $750. Standalone, wireless PCVR is also limited by WiFi development. By my hazy calculations, 2160 x 2160 @ 120 Hz per eye would require 31Gbit/s, which... That's a far cry even for WiFi 7 6GHz, which tops out at 5.8Gbit/s. So, naturally, wireless standalone PCVR is based on transcoding on the PC and decoding video on the headset. The primary app for which is Virtual Desktop, which tops out at 200Mbit/s. You can at least use HEVC 10-bit encoding, or AV1 10-bit encoding, but either way standalone PCVR streaming is certainly compressed compared to wired PCVR. It's a bit better than YouTube compression, I would say, and it's something one can get used to and ignore. At most, you may notice color banding. Wired PCVR snobs will say the compression is unbearable, but I wouldn't put much stake in their opinions. The one truth, however, is that all of that transcoding and decoding and wireless sending and receiving does add some additional latency. For a typical WiFi environment, at the maximum bitrate and resolution, it's somewhere in the 50ms range. For a very poor WiFi environment (like in a multi-story apartment with overlapping WiFi signals), and using the 2.4GHz band as opposed to the 5GHz or 6GHz band, it could lean towards 120ms of latency -- this would be an usual, worst-case scenario, however. So long as you have at least a WiFi 6 AX router, and the access point is located in the same room as you want to play VR, you should get more towards the 50ms latency range. Having an access point in the same room is very important. If you have a house, for example, and your access point is on the second floor and you want to play in the basement, that would be more akin to a worst-case scenario because of WiFi attenuation through multiple walls.

As far as the development of standalone VR itself is concerned, Meta is the biggest and most influential company in this space, but there's been a lot less VR news since the AI boom. The Quest 3 was in the pipeline for a while and released a little over a year ago, but since then there's basically been a drought in terms of new hardware news and releases, with the exception of the Quest 3s which is essentially just a Quest 2 revision. Again, lots of people are putting their faith in rumors that Valve is working on a VR headset and hoping it gets announced some time this year to introduce more interest in VR. The biggest shakeup in standalone VR is that Meta has said that they'll allow other manufacturers to use their Horizon OS, which is the OS that the Quest headsets use, for their headsets going forward. We know that Lenovo is working with Meta to release their own VR headset using their OS. Meta's Horizon OS is Android-based, but Google has previously announced that they were working with Samsung to design their own headset using their own Android-based OS. Prior to the release of the Apple Vision Pro, there were rumors that Samsung was designing an Apple Vision Pro competitor, but since the Apple Vision Pro release I haven't heard any follow-up news on this front, especially since their announcement that they were working with Google to design a headset. Presumably, they've likely scrapped their Apple Vision Pro competitor headset and are now working on a Quest 3 priced headset in the $300-500 range. Apple has also said that they're working on a lower-priced more mass market VR headset, but it's anyone's guess what that will take the form of.

 No.2344

>>2322
I'm actually quite curious about how glasses will be needed because I don't do things right up in my face normally and I dunno if it's normal for me to not be able to read something up against my nose.

This VR stuff is very difficult to judge on a first time if you don't have perfect optical.

I assume most people buy the glasses for AR, but if I need actual astigmatism lenses I'm going to need a custom order. Conveniently my sister can do custom orders on prescription lenses for me and possibly make them herself but this is quite a nightmare.

 No.2345

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Lenses will always be cheaper than contacts so it would make more sense to buy what I need... but man... they really did not think this through. It should be an absolute requirement for glasses to be usable with them
(pic are 2week contacts)

 No.2351

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This stupid technology. I have no idea how bad the image quality will be without lenses. So i might not even be able to use it if I get it. Then I might get motion sickness and have to train myself not to experience it.
My glasses are myopia grade but i have +0.75 on both eyes so at a cerain range i can't see up close

What the fuck are they doing? Do they really expect me to buy and swap lut lenses depending on if it's AR or VR?
This technology is never catching on

 No.2355

OH WOW so the VR set uses lenses inside and these conflict with your eye's focal length if you have myopia(nearsight) worse than 20:20 vission. This is so fucking stupid. So I guess I don't need to worry about any farsighted issues related to myopia astigmatism. So I could probably just get standard minus lenses.
PROBABLY because there's like zero information outside of Reddit anecdotes for a very common visual acuity issue
Jesus christ. what the fuck are they doing

 No.2408

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>>2344
>I dunno if it's normal for me to not be able to read something up against my nose.
It's not. Most things are done at approximately arms length or farther. Because the screens and lenses are a fixed distance, regardless of how your brain can interpret flat images as having depth, the fixed focal length makes it hard to clearly see things that are held at extremely close distances. You can only generally clearly see things clearly beyond about 10-20cm from your face. Your eyes will struggle to focus any closer.

A few years ago there was much hope about this issue being resolved because one company had developed solid-state "vari-focal" lenses that were extremely thin (consider, to otherwise adjust focal length you need would an additional, secondary lens that moves between the primary lens and the screen, which would add considerable bulk; think about an adjustable 1-4x gun scope, for reference). Combined with eye-tracking and 3D depth information, you could therefore dynamically adjust focal length, which would greatly improve comfort. Unfortunately, it seems that technology is going to be stuck in the lab.

>I assume most people buy the glasses for AR
No. They buy they lense inserts because it is generally still the case that if you cannot clearly see something at X distance IRL, you will not be able to clearly see it in VR at said distance either.

>these conflict with your eye's focal length if you have myopia(nearsight) worse than 20:20 vission
Yes, but consider the resolvable detail within a VR headset. Most headsets are in the range of 20PPD (pixels per degree). Typical human vision is approximately 60PPD, with younger people closer to 80PPD. 40PPD is seen as the baseline for "close enough" to human vision. As such, because the resolved detail of displays and optics is so much lower than what your eyes are capable of resolving, diopter corrections within ±0.5D are likely insignificant enough to not need any correction. Greater than ±1D would likely benefit from corrective lenses. 30PPD is apparently approximately equal to 20/40 vision for reference. The Quest 3 is approximately 22PPD. The Apple Vision Pro is around 33PPD.

You can mess with these sites for a rough idea of things:
https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html
https://www.billauer.co.il/simulator.html

It's a shame, but there's no one site that provides PPD to 20/X vision measurements.

 No.2409

>>2408
>It's a shame, but there's no one site that provides PPD to 20/X vision measurements.
Sorry, I'm stupid and tired. The approximate PPD to diopter equation is probably something like: Diopters = 1 - PPD/60. For the Quest 3 at around 20.7PPD, that's like -0.65D. This is not a correction factor. This a rough equivalence in visual acuity between Diopters and PPD in terms of the ability to resolve detail.

 No.2410

Alright. I got the Q3 and I'll see about ordering some lenses in my typical prescription

 No.2411

>>2410
If you want to play PCVR, a word of caution: buy Virtual Desktop on the Quest store, NOT from Steam. The Quest store one is the one that lets you do PCVR streaming. The Steam one is for people who have a VR headset that connects directly to the PC.

 No.2413

I wonder if tarrifs will be applied retroactively. I maybe bought it too late, but i think our retaliatory tarrifs will be lighter

 No.2414

dumb retaliatory tards.

 No.2415

>>2413
Tariffs are typically applied when the item entries into the country, not whenever an item was purchased.

 No.2416

>>2415
so is meta going to add another X% to my bill when it crosses the border... assuming it's crosssing the border

 No.2456

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>>2416
Forgot to mention, buy a lens cover and always put it on the lenses when you're not using the headset. Helps prevent scratches, but more importantly, if you accidentally leave the headset out and it's facing a window, it will prevent the displays from being burned by the sun. Indoor lights aren't powerful enough to burn the displays, but the sun absolutely is.

 No.2461

It's pretty cool. You can actually adjust it for glasses but it's a bit awkward. I thought it came precharged so it died on me when I was setting wifi password.

Looking at the world through monitors feels very mecha. It's neat

>>2456
it's fine. I'll just stick it into my filing cabinet when not using

 No.2462

I'm a little surprised how there are no paper manuals and only a walkthrough programmed into the device.

 No.2463

what I didn't anticipate is how much it's geared as a console and less of a peripheral. Have to get various applications and such to connect to PC. Not just a simple blutooth system

 No.2464

So if i wanted to project a video fully into my device how would i do this? Do you need specialized apps or what?

 No.2465

Like if there were a video that is designed to be used with vr, how does it get used in the device

 No.2467

Man, this thing really burns your eyes with glasses. You definetly 100% need lenses if you have myopia.
I'm super disoriented now too.

I was wondering now how I can make a more immersive AR space, because currently it just throws you into a wide area with some walls, but I was hoping that Meta would use AI (for all their hype around it) for this potentially useful situation of interpretting space and placing objects around it... building a room. Sadly not, I guess there's a manual way to do it somehow

>>2463
>>2464
>>2465
Disregard. I found out enough about it

 No.2468

the battery life is also kinda sad. But I probably wouldn't want to wear it for 4 hours anyways

 No.2469

>>2465
>video that is designed to be used with vr
you're watching porn arent you

 No.2470

thou shalt not commit sin with technology

 No.2471

doujin games are hard to get working. They distribute APKs to side load in USB debug or .exe that are supposed to be run in SteamVR and all sorts of format differences. No monopoly has formed yet. Meta link is mostly compatible luckily

 No.2472

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>>2468
The first-party solution for this is the Elite Strap with Battery (there's a cheaper one, without a battery, so watch out). Personally, I would recommend just getting a 10K mAh USB C PD battery bank and either velcro the battery to the headstrap to provide a counterweight, or put it in your pocket and stream the USB C cable down your back. I wouldn't recommend tethering yourself to a physical outlet to stay charging. You can wear out the USB C port, and some people have reportedly had the USB C port melt from an internal short forming due to the port loosening.

 No.2474

Already tired of glasses with this

 No.2476

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 No.2477

so how do you go about creating applications for this

There's some interesting ideas like Engineering creating parallel lines for Installing Items On walls

 No.2489

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Geh... Tarrifs on german import

 No.2491

dumb dutard

 No.2495

got my lenses. it just seems way more comfortable

 No.2496

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peak lazy

 No.2533

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I like this mouse, but I absolutely loathe it. Nice feel, weight, the all important side buttons, but the scroll wheel is the cheapest piece of shit that starts failing after a month of use. Once it starts jumping it only gets worse from there until it stops working altogether.

 No.2549

>>2533
I'd try to find a japanese or korean mouse brand and stay away from Taiwan makes like Corsair since it was probably made in mainland

 No.2550

>>2533
I remember those being called MMO mice. It can be very handy for such games, but generally uncomfortable after a while. The one I had (can't remember name, sidewinder or something?) had an issue getting hot, so it seemed like there's always some sort of compromise with having all those buttons there.
I wish there was a middleground of maybe just having 2-3 extra buttons, but it seems rare for mice to have more than 2 buttons on the side.

 No.2671

I like my six button (left click, right click, back and forward, dpi changer, and scroll wheel) mouse!

 No.2681

my free-spinning logitech mouse is great except it has two bullshit side buttons that i always hit making me sigh

 No.2683

free spin is great, but I've found the use cases are very slim. Having to turn your mouse upside down to enable it also makes it very unusable

 No.2684

>>2533
I love my razer naga but I cringe a bit whenever I think of needing to replace it. Shits like 100 bux. I mostly use it for web browsing with media keys, video controls, alt+tab, translation, tab controls and so on

 No.2688

i used xbindkeys to disable those two side buttons w00t w00t
>>2683
having to do whaat

 No.2689

>>2688
my previous logitec put it on the bottom.. but I see that most of them have it on the top now

 No.2780

I kinda want to make my own imageboard software but it would be a pain to moderate without totally de-anonymizing users on the admin side

 No.2781

isn't imageboard software solved at this point?

 No.2782

from what I've seen they're all written by incompetents in the most horrible languages possible for software development
what insane person builds a PHP monolith these days or actually writes a liveboard in Go

 No.2783

There is no point in being competent because every imageboard community is full of people who do not have the manners to behave and no capital to push onto you as a reward for putting in effort that would naturally earn you close to 6 figures in a cooprate setting.

 No.2784

If they don't behave just ban them, most software I've looked into has very lacking moderation tools out of some false belief that the average poster will self-moderate
>6 figures
I'm not american, I'm never getting that
also not doing it for the money

 No.2785

Kissu has the best moderation tools, probably similar to 4chan, but maybe we lack a bit of niceness(and professional quality + modernized UI).

And I am not allowed to ban like I want because it will cause too much internal conflict.
I get no reward. I used to get a reward which made me care, but it can't compete with the financial benefit and academic interest my current work provides.

And would I even if I got payed? Probably not. The site hates me because I speak my mind.

 No.2786

>best moderation tools
probably, I consider 4chan to be almost criminally incompetent with moderation and the recent changes haven't improved much
>internal conflict
admin = god as they say, if I want to ban someone they will be banned
>I get no reward
the feeling of clicking the ban button is its own reward

 No.2787

>>2786
You're retard OK.

 No.2788

get over your shit. 4chan is highly sophisticated

 No.2789

>>2787
this post wouldn't be banned for example because it's very funny

>>2788
this is also very funny

 No.2790

>>2789
I told you what you have to do to make an imageboard. Get over your pretentious bullshit.

 No.2791

>>2790
I'm not pretentious at all, how is acknowledging the low technical level of all current implementations pretentious
There might be some improvements to Yotsuba since it's closed source but I doubt it

 No.2792

>>2791
OK... what do you even want? You're just saying 4chan is bad. You're no different from every other loser who left 4chan.

 No.2793

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It's probably best to look at a bunch of existing ones and take what you like from each one. I'm not sure how any of this stuff works, though. Moderation usually isn't a software issue.

 No.2794

Also, if you're talking about deanonmyzation during moderation, then you just look at what mlpol's system did and you hash all the IPs so you can't actually see who they are. Otherwise, you can't really moderate without a moderator hierarchy and a government. So you're not even doing software dev anymore, you're just becoming a manager

 No.2795

Well, I suppose you could do thread level hashes using salts based on the thread number so that would work as well. But to what end are you even doing this? If the community doesn't trust the moderation then the problem is fundamental to the site's management

 No.2796

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>>2793
Indeed. It's all based on copying

 No.2797

>>2792
I'm talking about the technical side though, not the actual mods which is another thing entirely

>>2793
You can improve it a lot though, account based system used for IP reputation verification along with invitation based systems that allow you to mass prune accounts created by spammers in exchange for less posting limits, faster cooldowns etc for "accounts" that have persistently retained good behavior
The ability to track persistently negative posters by attaching notes to IPs viewable by mods over the long term
Random mod tools like thread slowdown to prevent spam or post edit/actual functional filters
I've looked through a lot of chans to see what features they have

>>2794
I'm interested in seeing how much of that you can automate, in the aspect of dealing with the almost bot-like tier of low quality posters
High quality posters will obviously require almost no moderation and can just post normally, so most of the work will be to eliminate the worst tiers

 No.2798

>>2797
>2793
Kissu can stop posting from people who don't have posts on the site. That's the easiest way to do this.
Attaching notes to IPs is already done in vichan. Improvement is to add more to the cookie tracking mechanisms. But that might be against EU regulations.

Accounts are really a philosophical question about what it means to post on an imageboard.

>2794
Mixing an AI based system with a verification system(hidden posts until verification if flagged by AI). Something I've wanted to do, but I don't think it's as important to running an imageboard as just moderating effectively.

You won't even hit the post numbers where something like that is important until later.
Unless you're hoping other imageboards implement your software... but many have tried that and ended up coming up with something worse than vichan.

 No.2799

Also some of the other more fine details of your comment on 2793 are already possible on vichan through the filter system and I've modified the site to do various captcha trigger mechanisms.

Sure, there's more to put into it. But you have to have the motivation, and based on how you're talking more philosphicaly with me than actual code modifications to vichan or your own engine, I think you are the exact same as me right now... does not really care about imageboards that much

 No.2800

I've also considered something like thread mods or enough reports from high quality accounts/IPs automatically triggering a moderation action that can be reverted by an actual mod later, or maybe in the case of long-running generals being able to have actual thread/general limited mods

>>2798
>accounts
I'd certainly prefer something like an automatically generated account tracked by a cookie that can be recovered by the user if you decided to set a username/password combination
The main point of friction would be convincing users to "register" when the IB crowd loves the illusion of user-facing anonymity extending to the backend and I'm still not sure how much to allow the user to track their own posts without allowing others to do so
It would essentially end up like a forum with forced anon if you kept going
>EU laws
Can't you just write in the ToS somewhere that all posters are tracked to ensure efficient moderation?
>Unless you're hoping other imageboards implement your software
I would prefer this to be closed source, mainly because I've noticed that anything good necessarily is
I'm considering starting an imageboard in a couple of years but it would certainly be more about the imageboard being required to test the software rather than the software being required to manage the imageboard
I've noticed some issues after years of using imageboards and as a developer I want to see if software can solve those issues

>>2799
>I think you are the exact same as me right now... does not really care about imageboards that much
I do not have any specific attachment to them, but I find the format very good for allowing users to post what they want without needing to deal with lots of unnecessary info and posturing when you have to have a name attached to everything you say

 No.2801

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I would greatly prefer it if I didn't have to sign into an account.

 No.2802

>>2800
which community are you going to be hijacking to justify writting a closed sourced software.

I don't want fascists using what I write. I don't want people diminishing the feel of Kissu. That's the only reason this place is (Mostly) closed source.

 No.2803

I mean to say, there's no way anyone will ever be interested in your imageboard if you're not advertising the software for others to see.

The only other alternative is community theft... like this one... from 4chan

 No.2804

>>2797
In my experience trying to automate moderation works well with generic spambots that are repeatedly spamming large numbers of sites, usually with the same links over and over again, but doesn't work so well for dealing with pest users. It becomes a game for them to figure out what triggers the moderation and get around it.

 No.2805

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>>2801
Exactly, it's a very big point of friction and I've noticed it myself when using websites
Ideally a user would be able to post without creating an account at all, the "account" would be one created by the system automatically and tracked by the normal poster cookie
Only if they decide they want to track their posts over multiple threads like an integrated and enhanced 4chanX/XT, or get lower posting limits or captcha free posting on multiple devices from different IPs would they feel like making an account, or if they want to persistently moderate a thread/be a tripfag or something

>>2802
I'm still not set on it being closed source or not, mainly thinking about it because it would make implementing certain features without bots bypassing them much easier and would ensure some degree of lock-in and total control over what happens with my work
Security by obscurity is not ideal but it still works
There is no way for the client to know what goes on in the server since I'm not planning on using PHP, and if I decide to bundle the frontend by using a templating engine instead of a separate REST API that will basically make it a black box in terms of what it does, can do, will be able to do
If it actually develops any unique features it will basically ensure that at least someone will post there if they can't get the feature set anywhere else
>which community
I think a technical board would be the simplest to set up at the start since I would also have some interest to post there, maybe something with flags related to foreign cultures because those tend to be very buzzword-centric and would be a good test
Anime boards I think are too common these days, every altchan has 7 of them
If I make it open source then it will be much simpler I agree

>>2803
This is in the pre-planning stage still, I'm reading up on other scripts what they could do, what were the limitations, what parts made them unique over the rest. If I don't run a site I'll just open source it and spam it everywhere until someone picks it up.

>>2804
I would consider most low quality posters no more sapient than spambots. You could train an LLM to predict their posts with nearly 100% accuracy. Even something as simple as a buzzword detector would work because eventually the new posters would have no idea what the spammers are talking about.

 No.2806

>>2805
>If it actually develops any unique features it will basically ensure that at least someone will post there if they can't get the feature set anywhere else
People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other. Getting people to use your imageboard, especially the people you'd want using your imageboard, is by far the biggest challenge.

>I would consider most low quality posters no more sapient than spambots.
Don't underestimate the intelligence of your shitposters. A pissed-off smart person may decide to flood your board with retarded posts out of spite, and moderation in any form is guaranteed to piss someone off.

>buzzword detector
A retarded monkey could get around that and will find great joy in doing so.

>eventually the new posters would have no idea what the spammers are talking about.
The kind of posters we're talking about are often near-incomprehensible in the first place. And don't forget that on an imageboard you can write in the image and use the images as avatars.

That said, I wish you success in making automated moderation work even if I doubt it's going to happen.

 No.2807

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>>2806
>People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other
I mean I've heard people say that something like liveposting is important which is why they want to stay using meguca
>Getting people to use your imageboard, especially the people you'd want using your imageboard, is by far the biggest challenge.
Probably, but I'm sure 4chan will get even worse until then
People will inevitably leave
>A pissed-off smart person may decide to flood your board with retarded posts out of spite, and moderation in any form is guaranteed to piss someone off
Hopefully the auto-mod manages to deal with it then
>That said, I wish you success in making automated moderation work even if I doubt it's going to happen.
Probably, talk is cheap and I'm just yapping

 No.2808

>>2806
>People don't come to imageboards for unique features, they come because they want to talk to each other.
True, but I think that's only part of the statement. I'm only speaking for my midwitted self, but unique features could help keep users you attracted coming back. Especially if those features are conducive to discussion and finding discussion over other similar chans: "What makes your anime altchan full of dweebs and teens different from every other anime altchan full of dweebs and teens?"
I think it's helpful if the site feels good to use because it's the first thing you interact with, and it gets you a surface level feel before you start dissecting board culture and know if you want to assimilate with it or not. That is to say, I like how Kissu functions on the user end.

>Don't underestimate the intelligence of your shitposters.
I know this full well. Once a sufficiently motivated spastic has a bone to pick with your corner of the web you're going to struggle to get rid of him. They'll do anything in their capability to tear down whatever semblance of 'home' or community you've got going, knowing full well there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

 No.2809

I'd consider building an imageboard as a project to stretch my skills but would not ever expect anyone to come to it if I hosted it.

 No.2812

>>2808
>I think it's helpful if the site feels good to use because it's the first thing you interact with, and it gets you a surface level feel before you start dissecting board culture and know if you want to assimilate with it or not.
Yeah, if I open an altchan and it's another generic Yotsuba B with /a/, /v/, /pol/ boards I'll just instantly close it like the other 20 before it.
Kissu looks good.

 No.2813

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>>2807
>I'm just yapping
the yapper

 No.2827

the yapper is ok if he's your boss

 No.2832

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So I have two old youtube accounts, one from the mid 00s and another from some time in the 10s. Well, I don't remember the password to either since I never used either of them for very long.
Google wants a phone number for me to recover them, so I passed. So I decided to make a new account and google wants a phone number.
Is there any tech solution to bypassing this, like there's temporary emails? I don't want to give google my phone number.

 No.2833

Any good server benchmarking utilities?

 No.2855

>>2832
You have to buy a burner SIM for like a crap prepaid phone from Walmart, assuming you are American.

All my twitter and youtube accounts are like that.

 No.2887

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Golang has some REALLY weird behaviors with slices.


x := []int{1,2,3}
xSt := x[:0]
xEd := x[0+1:]
xSt = append(xSt, 4)
xSt = append(xSt , xEd...)
fmt.Println(x)

 No.2888

this is such weird behavior... i know that a slice is a reference to the object in memory, but why isn't the append inserting new blocks of memory and instead overwriting the old in another memory reference? That's not what an append is supposed to do

 No.2889


 No.2922

C Compiler decided to be stupid for some reason and it turned
if (ffbottom >= bottom-1 && R_FFloorCanClip(&ffloor[i]) && !curline->polyseg)
into
if (ffbottom >= bottom-1 && cv_ffloorclip.value && !curline->polyseg)
It compiles fine on Linux and then when I went to compile under MSYS2 on windows it was doing this garbage. I had to get a friend to help out (reading assembly) just to discover my compiler was being cursed. I don't understand.

 No.3189

I'm returning to loving microservice architecture

 No.3191

>>2888
Perhaps to make appending to an array more efficient?

 No.3223

>>2922
Needs more context.

 No.3276

Upgrading application from tauri1 to tauri2 so I can get a mobile app just borderline good enough to be acceptable so I can work on more useful thing

 No.3618

Rust's compile times are just so untenable with the Tauri version2 release.

It's getting to the point where my consideration is to not even use it directly to write Rust code and do things using their event system or WASM if need be.
Making an edit takes like 30 seconds to get a response back from Rust-Analyzer now. I just can't do this with a language which is very strict about propper syntax.

 No.3619

>>3618
Wow what an efficient language, really makes me want to use it.

 No.3620

>>3619
Not even sure if it's a skill issue or not because no one really talks about how bad it is.
The project is sizeable larger now after the upgrade and I installed a higher rust version.

Guess I'll keep testing because I'm not going to use Electron for desktop apps or write from scratch in qt or whatever..

 No.3736

Tauri's mobile stuff is pretty nice. You can't escape kotlin if you want to do things that interesting, but there is a plugin to override all the android buttons using javascript and it's not hard to set up. Can hook into android studio somehow too.
Being able to write webviews in Javascript+HTML+Tauri is super handy.

 No.3754

File:[MoyaiSubs] Mewkledreamy -….jpg (244.01 KB,1920x1080)

Please help I'm retarded. I'm trying to install a new local music AI thing for the heck of it but I'm very confused. I think I've done this environment thing before, but I'm running into issues.
I did the stuff here: https://github.com/ace-step/ACE-Step?tab=readme-ov-file#-installation and I think I installed it all correctly and I'm now at the step where I need to install the "requirements.txt" stuff, but that's a file that's supposed to be installed locally right? How do I point this anaconda thing to it? Or do I install from the folder I made with git clone? If so, I did that but I can't run this thing at all.
Or am I reading things incorrectly and steps 3-5 were for the venv thing? But either way I can't actually get this thing to run...
ARGH WHY IS THIS STUFF SO ANNOYING?!

 No.3756

>>3754
No wait I think I did it. I had to git clone from within the anaconda window and then change directory. Man it's a good thing I remember these commands from the DOS days.
Let's see......

 No.3757

File:[MoyaiSubs] Mewkledreamy -….jpg (310.03 KB,1920x1080)

>>3754
>>3756
NEVERMIND I DID IT! YES! Okay I'll make a thread about this later...

 No.3758

File:IHATEWINDOWS.png (37.14 KB,470x175)

>>2922
>>3223
I never explained this originally but its code from part of the software renderer in a game I'm hardcode modding. It decides if it should clip out columns from drawing. For whatever reason when compiling for Windows this somehow gets mangled and it instead always runs it when the console variable is on which breaks the water effects and causes the start lines on the first map to draw black boxes under them. Occurs for Windows builds when compiling with MSYS2 and when I cross compile on my Linux Machine, native Linux however is completely fine and doesn't seem to have this issue. I've been trying to figure out why it does this to no avail.

The lines of code that has this issue on Windows starts right around line 1447 in r_segs.cpp: https://codeberg.org/NepDisk/blankart/src/branch/blankart-dev/src/r_segs.cpp#L1447

 No.3759

Emulation is suffering

 No.3764

tryna sign some APKs.. tryna deploy tauri application on my phone

 No.3767

my bank's web presence is apparently not responding to POST requests...... sigh..........

 No.3769

the bank site has acknowledged that they're having a problem with their internet banking and app... well good to know it's nothing to do with me

 No.3782

Realized just how little I copilot influences me because my laptop's internet was out and I didn't even notice.

 No.3783

>>3782
That's the scary part. A few months from now, you'll be browsing the internet and suddenly find out it's been down for days. You'll ask Copilot why it didn't tell you, and it will respond "Tell you what?"

 No.3790

File:ndf.gif (383.45 KB,220x136)

I am able to get a 3090 Ti for relatively cheap and I was thinking now would be a good time to upgrade the rest of my PC as well, since most of the hardware is from around 2012 or so.
I'm wondering if there is anything to keep in mind regarding "bottlenecks". I have seen that word thrown around a lot these past couple years, but whenever I try to do research on CPU-GPU bottlenecks, people say the calculators are BS and that it doesn't really matter anyway. So, could I just go all out on a really good CPU to be able to use it for as long as possible, or is there any reason to get something specific to pair with the 3090 Ti?

 No.3791

File:R-1746804191187.jpg (91.88 KB,706x713)

2 days on Linux Fedora and it's already bugging out, rolling back to Fedora 41 fixed it though. I've seen a few people say they just live on the previous versions, dunno if I should do the same or switch to Mint for just werking

 No.3792

File:[FFA] One Room Third Seaso….jpg (351.91 KB,1280x720)

>>3791
Used to use fedora in a VM for serious use, never really liked it, couldn't get it to upgrade to the latest version. Debian too, couldn't intuit how the versions work, happy on Arch now because there is no Arch 41.

 No.3798

Laptop shopping sucks. I hate this. I like my crummy old Acer Aspire but it's dying and I'll need one for next semester. I should have treated it better but 9 years was a good run.

 No.3799


 No.3800

mac mac mac mac mac mac mac mac mac

 No.3801

>>3791
Fedora is starter RHEL. No real reason to use it otherwise

 No.3802

>>3801
I'm trying bazzite for gayming, it seemed like a neat combo of being protected against me by being atomic but also having newer features. Though I'm not really sure what the newer features I'd be gaining or losing here would be honestly, atomic just looked like a cool feature.

 No.3803

>>3799
That's close to what I want, but I dont know if it supports a pen and it needs to be able to do blender since I start that class in the fall.

 No.3804

>>3803
Mm, can't say for certain then, might be better to nut up some cash for a better but more expensive model in your case. I don't have any exact recommendations... maybe a framework just off the top of my head because they'd be easier to keep going for a while.

 No.3807

How the hell am I supposed to share an iOS app among a small number of employees at a company -_-

 No.3808

>>3807
fhaslh drive?

 No.3809

>>3808
>flash drive
interesting idea... does that work?
I don't even have an iOS device so I'm forced to use emulators on Mac and all I've heard about are using developer logins and creating unlisted applestore apps...
Trying to find creative workarounds is hard

 No.3820

¥ Pull up 30MB of data from an api endpoint
¥ Postman crashes
Indian bloatware...

 No.3824

Apple application reviewers getting authentication errors.
Also said the app wasn't laid out to their guidelines.

Gotta figure out whatever issues were had on "iPhone 13 mini and iPad Air (5th generation)"

 No.3848

File:C-1747331147439.jpeg (31.57 KB,500x500)

>>>/amv/6778
Sitting in front of my computer waiting to see if an adjustment I made to my software worked or not...

 No.3891

File:[Serenae] Kimi to Idol Pre….jpg (325.25 KB,1920x1080)

>>3790
It's impossible to remove bottlenecks as one part will generally be better than the others, but most of the time a "bottleneck" explains an extreme situation. If you have a GPU from 2022 and a CPU from 2012 then the CPU is certainly the bottleneck. CPU and GPU worked in tandem more in the past as these days GPUs are basically computers unto themselves.
You need decent RAM to pair with a decent CPU as they're paired together, so that could be the source of a major bottleneck if you buy crappy budget RAM to pair with an expensive CPU. I guess moterboards can be a bottleneck, but people tend to go overboard and get ridiculous ones they don't need that support expensive parts that most people won't buy. So technically you could have a really strong motherboard and fill it with non-enthusiast parts and that could be a bottleneck, but not really. It's more that you bought a motherboard with stuff you didn't need.

 No.3897

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 No.3941

>>3891
Thank you so much for your time and help! I've spent the last couple of days researching hardware + its "interconnectivity" with other parts, and I think I got a relatively nice system thought up now!

 No.3966

>>3941
on topic sager

 No.3975

now Indians have to be taken seriously

 No.3976

>>3975
Summarize this openai

 No.3977

more useless gadgets for me to buy:
Smartphone stand so I can use apps on my phone and then research the thing on my computer

 No.3994

Am I allowed to ask for a custom-made keygen on here under the pretense that the main purpose for it is to be a simple and fun little challenge for anon?

 No.3995

File:Me.and.the.Alien.MuMu.S01E….jpg (106.67 KB,1920x1080)

>>3994
Are you asking for someone to crack a specific program, then no.
If you want them to make some, uhh. keygen program that doesn't apply to anything then I guess that's fine.
I don't think kissu wants to become a warez site.

 No.3996

File:renge_sexy_hot.jpg (53.06 KB,728x410)

>>3995
Oh, is that so? SAGE!!!

 No.3997

going to buy a cellphone stand for 10 bucks

 No.3998

>>3995
Honestly, the one thing I miss after switching to Linux is the demoscene music in keygen programs.

 No.3999

>>3998
always found them to run just fine under wine

 No.4000

>>3999
I feel stupid for never trying. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight.

 No.4001

>>3999
>>4000
trips of sudden revelation

 No.4010

I'm about to purchase my first ever NVMe drive/s for my new build and I'm very inexperienced with SSDs just in general. If money isn't an issue, is there any reason not to just get a 4 TB drive to use as my system drive? I heard that performance is supposed to actually be better on larger drives, so I was thinking of just getting a single big one to use as system, scratch and storage drive, still keeping my HDDs for general storage.

 No.4012

>>3999
Far as I know wine has issues with mpeg4 playback out of the box. Could be related to that.

 No.4021

Coming around to thinking AI is pretty great since these companies are using so much power because of it. Really keeps the grid from becoming stable.

 No.4022

applied oleophilic coating to phone

 No.4115

funny computer jokes

 No.4130

Since Nintendo is so keen on using SD cards for physical media and seems to be optimizing the size of their games anyway, wouldn't it theoretically be possible to allow the Switch 2's firmware to write and add potential DLC to a game's initial physical release, allowing the physical edition to stay up to date at no additional cost? I might be wrong on this, but I think to have heard that Switch 2 cards are typically around 64 GB, with most first party titles not exceeding 40 - 50 GBs in size, meaning there would still be a good amount of space left that could be used for an idea like this and I've never heard of a Nintendo game that is bigger than 64 GB even with all DLC included. I think this would also highlight their obsession with chip-based game storage, disc-based system would require an integrated burner to realize this.

 No.4132

Anyone got any favorite algorithms or data structures?

I am practicing my C++. I made a hashtable with open addressing and a bloom filter, I want more.

 No.4135

>>4132
I like sets. They're just neat

 No.4158

>>4135
Sets it is. I am going to make one based on red-black trees (as I hear that's what the C++ STL uses for sets) since I can already easily convert my hashmap to a hashset if I wanted.

I just made a partial set implementation based on a regular old binary-tree. I am enjoying learning more about templates - My current tree is backed by a vector and I am using sentinel values to mark empty nodes (ex. INT_MIN for int or "\0\0" for strings) and a templated trait to define each sentinel value per type in a generic way - that way I don't have to use any extra memory. I considered using a vector of std::optional but that takes at least another byte, potentially up to 4, same as making a custom wrapper struct. Unfortunately once I move on to the red-black tree I will need to store another bit somewhere for the color, so maybe a custom wrapper and some memory overhead is inevitable. Or I can make a scapegoat tree instead?

 No.4238

> Out of memory: Killed process sqlservr
Hate sqlservr

 No.4239

File:__nrvnqsr_chaos_tsukihime_….jpg (408.71 KB,720x960)

>Hate sqlservr
What did you.. oh wait

 No.4240

https://www.logicalincrements.com/
Got reminded of this. It was a good introduction to PC parts.

 No.4241

Thinking about dumping a lot of money into a new PC build. But hardly anything I see interests me. I really wanted a dual socket motherboard to house two AMD threadrippers or whatever their ridiculous top of the line stuff is now. But I found out they no longer offer dual socket motherboards at all. I'd also really like to buy one of those PCI cards with a high-end CPU+RAM on it but those aren't really around anymore either.

My plan was to dedicate the second CPU+RAM or the PCI card to background tasks and use CPU1 for the OS+usual stuff. I know it makes more sense to build two computers and network them. But I've really wanted a dual socket motherboard since I was a kid.

GPUs looking way overpriced too and none of them have a girl I like printed on them.

 No.4242

>>4241
Why two CPUs? What's the benefit? It sounds cool, though, but what could it do that one singular powerful one couldn't?

 No.4243

>>4242
I dunno what his plan is but it's something done in servers for reasons.

It's all too complicated for me. It has something to do with how servers often run 'multi OS on one machine' at a time through essentially virtual machines, but I'm not sure what's actually done on the motherboards and OS that make it better than one PC

 No.4245

>>4242
Each CPU has its own RAM. So you can do stuff like placing a thread doing something intensive (say, encoding video/audio) on CPU2 while doing all your usual stuff on CPU1. This way they don't fight over processing time/RAM/threads. Really I just want it because I never got a dual-socket system I wanted in the 90s/early 2000s back before dual-core CPUs were a thing.

Another thing I was hoping to do was use hardware passthru for VMs. Run host OS on CPU1, give VM OS to CPU2 along with its own dedicated GPU. I wanted to try that with the PCI cards that come with CPU+RAM on them. But it wouldn't be as good as having a second slot+RAM on the motherboard.

Another thing is you'd get more PCI lanes. All of my systems are pretty heavy on PCI cards. The only I'm using right now doesn't have any free slots left because I've got so much crap in there for various things. It doesn't have NVME storage either. Next build will of course. Which is already taking away PCI lanes. I need as many as I can get. I need them for all the crap that doesn't come with a motherboard now along with SATA storage devices, sound cards and other misc. stuff.

 No.4247

File:MZ73-LM1.jpg (83.33 KB,500x500)

>>4242
>>4245
I wouldn't buy this exact motherboard. But I wanted something like this: https://www.gigabyte.com/Enterprise/Server-Motherboard/MZ73-LM1-rev-1x

What's making this not viable is a combination of things. First, no one really makes eATX motherboards anymore. Well other than a handful of companies that barely produce them. Without those it's hard to get a dual-socket motherboard with as many PCIe slots as a consumer board (or hopefully, more). Second, since there is a lack of eATX motherboards on the market there is an extreme lack of good cases for them. So you're stuck building your own from scratch. Third, both AMD and Intel stopped offering dual-socket options in their non-really high end CPUs a long time ago. So you're stuck buying very overpriced (for clock rate) CPUs at 4x+ times the money. Fourth, if you go this route you're looking at buying ECC RAM (so-called "server RAM") and it's much more expensive than regular RAM although the price comes with some good benefits.

So basically, take your budget for a high end regular PC build and plan on spending 4x-8x the money for something comparable. But it'd be really really fun to run stuff on.

Most people wait until this stuff hits the used market and buy it then. But by then it's usually 4-5 years out of date. Since people don't dump their server stuff that often because it's so expensive. Takes years to recoup the costs on those depending on what you're doing on them. Used to be cheaper but now people snag them up quick for crypto mining and things of that nature.

Also there is some latency if you attempt to move something from CPU1 to CPU2 (or their RAM). So the applications where you can take advantage of the extra horsepower are limited. But I just happen to do a lot of that kind of stuff.

 No.4248

>>4240
I've used PCPartPicker for this in the past

 No.4249

>>4248
I used PCPartPicker when actually buying the parts and making sure everything was compatible.

 No.4273

>>4247
> First, no one really makes eATX motherboards anymore. Well other than a handful of companies that barely produce them.

So people do make them. What's the point of making a thesis you know is wrong? Quick google search give me many eATX results among b650, b850 and x870 lines. And that's just AMD, I didn't even look at intel motherboards.

 No.4275

Imagine my annoyances when I realize that concurent map read-write crashes are not caught by recover() aka the equivalent to a try{}catch{}

 No.4286

Is there some sort of specific go-to ISO or software for the most debloated version of Windows 11? I have to go Windows either way for software-related reasons and was thinking I might as well try 11 if you can turn off all the unnecessary background crap. There seem to be a ton of different debloat projects and I'm kind of lost.

 No.4287

>>4286
There is no way to turn off all the crap on 11. If you want recent Windows OS to run software use the Windows 10 LTSC .isos. No idea which one is still the best as I installed one on a PC 3 or 4 years ago now and it's chugging along fine. Don't fall for the "support is ending soon" crap LTSC gets updates for many years to come.

>>4273
>So people do make them. What's the point of making a thesis you know is wrong?
If you'd bothered to read what I wrote instead of instantly jumping on google in an attempt to prove me wrong you'd know that 1) No one makes them with an acceptable number of PCI slots anymore and 2) The ones being made aren't very good even discounting that.

 No.4288

>>4287
Thank you! I actually wouldn't even mind losing out on just MS support, it's mostly that I'm worried about future versions of editing software locking you out of anything that isn't 11. I do try to keep up with new releases and Adobe seems to not be the biggest fan of supporting unsupported OSes, even if it's just the regular consumer edition that stops receiving updates.

 No.4289

>>4288
LTSC isn't like home editions of Window's OSs. They're basically required to continue supporting it for 10+ years due to contracts signed with the shops that run and buy it. It's like the old server editions in that respect. I'm not a fan of Windows at all and really didn't want to stop using 7 on that machine. But I had to wipe all the disks in it and wanted to game without dealing with some problems with wine/proton with older Windows software. So I ended up installing 10 LTSC using guides from /g/ and it has worked fine. It gets real updates once a month on patch Tuesday and daily updates for the virus scanner. Works pretty well and I haven't had to deal with the usual issues with modern Windows. Note you'll need some third party software to get your start button+taskbar functioning like Windows up til 7. I can't remember which one I used now but it also works well. I think it's called "classic start menu" or something like that.

I seriously doubt Adobe will drop support for 10 any time soon. The issue with 11 is a lot of built in spyware. For example, it takes multiple pictures of your desktop/screen every minute and sends them back to MS servers. It also has some AI crap built in to snoop upon your meta data/use habits I think. Along with several other things. Impossible to 'debloat' and remove that stuff because it's tied so deeply into the OS now. But I don't claim to be an expert on it because I'm never going to use it.

You should also consider maybe using Linux or FreeBSD and running that stuff either in wine or through VMs. I would have gone that route on that machine I have running 10 LTSC. But it has the last processor built by Intel with vd-t disabled on the i7s. So GPU passthru isn't possible on it despite there being no reason why aside from the artificial limitation they imposed on i7 CPUs back then that supported overclocking.

Honestly, modern Linux isn't that much better. But with some work and using a distro like Gentoo with many custom USE flags applied you can get around most of the issues with modern Linux. FreeBSD has its own issues and requires a lot of custom mucking around. But it has Linux bin emulation in the kernel and I haven't run across anything that doesn't work yet. Including wine. It's just that no one ships a pre-built version of *BSD with those features setup to be easy to use out of the box.

I'm working on a FreeBSD fork with running legacy and modern Windows stuff out of the box. But it's slow going and many of the changes I've made will require some time to port over. In addition to 'debloating' the FreeBSD base system I need to finish porting over a lot of OpenBSD stuff and drivers to the kernel to support things like doas with persist working correctly. Along with drivers for things like wifi cards so you don't have to reply on the linux emulation and stuff like Network manager. I expect to have it finished sometime in the next couple of years. I also need to build another more modern PC to do testing on more recent GPUs to ensure they work. Along with getting Xenocara/Xlibre going with a more sane default config that doesn't require the end user to do so much manual work to get a working desktop. Also need to finish my Arcan DE.

But yeah. For now, Windows 10 LTSC is probably your best bet. That or using Windows 7 which also still gets long term patches I think but you'll need some extras to get software that attempts to artificially restrict the software from running on 7 to drive end users to update.

Basically, both Windows and PC hardware hasn't really changed in the last 15 years or so. So all this fear mongering about how you need new hardware+OS for some software is BS attempting to drive hardware sales. They're doing the same thing with PC hardware now that they've been doing with phones for the last 10 years. Making things obsolete through software tricks to get people to buy new hardware they don't really need. All the stuff like TPM being better for security is also BS. It's just an attempt to lock you out of being able to run pirated software/OSS on your hardware. In other words, they're attempting to lock down PC hardware like they've locked down phone hardware and other devices. It probably won't be long before you're forced to 'root' new off the shelf PCs before you're able to install a different OS on them. That's already the case with the Apple stuff that's been coming out over the last few years like their ARM laptops. They love ARM because it allows them to do that. It isn't possible on x86_64 (at least not yet) because its always been an open standard.

 No.4291

>>4287
is there a way to change to an LTSC version without reinstalling windows?

 No.4302

>>4291
It's possible but you'll need to edit something in the registry that I've forgotten then run setup.exe off the install medium to "upgrade". It won't remove any of the stuff you already have like the Windows Store and other so-called bloat.

I've never done it but I've heard of people doing it and it working out fine. If you don't have anything important on the system drive it's probably better to just do an entire re-install though. Provided you trust the install medium you have.

 No.4348

Copilots VS Code integration has really gotten crazy this current update.

It's now autofilling code predicting where I might go next in the codebase

 No.4360

File:[ASW] Silent Witch - Chinm….jpg (182.74 KB,1920x1080)

Created a oneliner i3wm bind that "watches" an active terminal window and beeps me when the running command finishes:
bindsym $mod+Shift+W exec "waitpid $(pgrep -P $(pgrep -P $(xprop -id `xdotool getwindowfocus` _NET_WM_PID | grep -oE '[[:digit:]]*$'))); echo -e '\a'"
Now I can run some time consuming command on a terminal and continue on with my work without fearing I forget about it because I'll get beeped when it finishes!

 No.4364

File:R-1753122152185.png (21.19 KB,630x517)

How the hell there isn't any software that allows the user to make unorthodox diagrams, with easy layer management tab (think like in Photoshop, Paint.net, etc) AND tables that are easy to format?
I'm basically stuck between LibreOffice Draw (has proper tables) that, for no reason in particular, decided to copy the disastrously abhorrent layer management from m*Crosoft's Visio - pic related. You need to click within the opened subwindows to work with layers - that's for each layer) and draw(dot)io (has a handy layout management window) that treats its table inserts as ARRANGEMENT OF GEOMETRIC OBJECTS (so arrow keys won't transport you across text fields, and you can edit the table only as the geometric arrangement it is).
Even the paid SaaS and cloud service resources don't have the most basic combination I need. Am I really in 2025? Jesus Christ.

 No.4376

>>4364
Software dev is a joke. As a programmer, the situation depresses me.

 No.4408

>>4364
>>4376
on topic sagers

 No.4435

Had never tried to do server stuff solely with IPv6, but I couldn't get it to work. I had to give up and use IPv4.

SSH kept telling me the network didn't work. But various utilities said ports were open. Maybe SSHD didn't handle the connection correction and that was the problem, but I can't say my impressions of the format are any better and probably worse than before

 No.4487

stumbled upon this dumb and pointless programming trick
https://www.programiz.com/online-compiler/6gySYB3Fwuhu1

this function multiplies numbers by repeated addition, stopping when b == 0
but what happens when b is negative? b decreases without bound and eventually underflows from -2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,647 and continues decreasing all the way to 0
very bad, this horrible code couldn't possibly produce a useful answer, right?

 No.4518

>>4435
Why not diagnose it properly?

>>4487
That seems inefficient and stupid.

 No.4527

>>4518
>That seems inefficient and stupid.
Duh? Thats the point. Its possibly the least efficient, stupidest method possible to multiply by negative numbers that still reliably produces a good answer.

 No.4531

>>4518
argumentative shitposter

 No.4533

Hey there, I still run games on an older computer running Windows 7 through Steam, it's possible that the current client works, but I'm trying to avoid it since I have a second computer for newer games. I try to keep that computer offline to prevent the client from updating, but sometimes I'm foolish and it happens. If the client is open while the internet is on it will also try to update your games too, I assume MS paid Valve to push W10/W11 dll into games that didn't require them. I learned enough to keep my stuff working and to roll back to an old version. I recommend you install EVERY game you own, and run them once. I am a hoarder and I try to keep every game I like on many drives, sometimes for mod reasons.

 No.4536

>>4533
Assume for a minute you wanted to setup what I've got for preservation reasons, you have a few games you can't live without.

Obviously you want to backup the client folder, in program files, I recommend NOT keeping ANY games in the steamapps folder of that directory, it will make it so if you need to restore your client that you only have to copy ~5GB of files, you can put all this stuff in a tar/7z and keep it on the same drive as the client if you think you'll be frequently rolling back.

Updates FOR THE CLIENT (Steam) are stored in Appdata, while it's in a usable state (and after you backup the client) you'll want to backup the Steam Appdata folder. The Appdata stuff and client must be concurrent or mismatches between version mismatches will deauthorize your blob (offline automated login, if you checked the box to keep the password forever...)

Sometimes you'll have games that require launch atleast once while on the internet, something like 7dtd, or dragonquest warriors will not work offline if it was never launched once because that game has secondary but limited drm. If you are dealing with a game using unreal engine you might have to look for the steamdeck command option for offline play, it probably works for non-unreal games too, but THPS1+2 requires it...

When you install a game, backup it's ACF in a tar/7z, those are stored one directory above steamapps in your library folders, those too must coincide with the client folder/Appdata folder because game installations only authorize within the same steam version. I tried many experiments with this, like bringing a game folder/ACF from a newer version of steam and it is ignored, or steam will demand you update the client for installation of the game to finish, assume that any ACF created after the date from your backup won't work. If a game is large I recommend you keep all of it's exe/dlls... In the future valve may disallow or implement strict use of steamdepot to download older versions of a game, if you have the exe/dll there's a chance you can simply download the other assets (on a newer steam client) and copy those over to the game folder containing your exes/dlls which were compatible with your computer, if say MS/Valve force W12+ dlls into games that originally worked on W10/8/7...

When you need to roll back to an older steam version you simply delete the Appdata/steam folder (that's not exactly the path, but there's only one steam folder within subdirectories of Appd) and paste your old one. If you don't do this and steam downloaded a client update the next time you launch steam it will take you to the login screen and your blob will be deleted.

After replacing Appd you go to your client folder and get rid of all the stuff inside (except steamapps if you were stubborn and did not follow my advice about keeping libraries/games on another drive...) then paste your backup files there.

I've got many drives so I keep all my libraries/ACFs on something other than C:/, from within steam you can add a library folder manually, but I suggest you backup your exe/dlls/ACFs in folders OUTSIDE in case steam assumes the game you have is 0% complete (on installation) and deletes it's folder. That happens sometimes when you move things around, I don't recommend you don't try to move that library folder sitting on D:/ to drive G:/ because of reorganization, if you have to just change the stupid drive letter so it matches what it was originally installed with. Moving the client to another folder is not recommended either because ACFs reference the path to your steam install, say you have two clients on the same drive-if you open the second one but the ACFs reference the path to the other that will be the one which executes.

 No.4539

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If you have a newer beastly computer you might try using VMware to create VMs which have Windwows/Steam installed with your minimalist games, that way you can launch the VM and disable its network adapter so you never have to worry about it accidentally updating. I bought some expensive software on steam ages ago and this is how I keep those working without the hassle of dealing with resetting Appd/client stuff.

 No.4555

>>4533
>>4536
Looks like another win for pirates over paying customers.
DRM free, old versions available forever, install offline, no auto update.
I can't understand why steam gets a pass when most of the same crowd don't pay a single cent for other non-physical media. Steam DRM is just as bad as any other kind of DRM.

 No.4556

For a few games there might be dependencies which a game installs separately from the game itself, by default those get put in the steamapps folder of the client, so maybe you'll want to leave those untouched and include them in the backup after you've installed all the games you plan on having available. It won't take more than ~1.4 GB of space to keep, and without them steam might complain about needing internet access to finish (re)installation.

 No.4592

Have to work out how to remote access all my servers through phone...

 No.4593

Apparently Windows10 VMs don't work on Apple CPU chips..

 No.4594

>>4592
termux?
or do you mean remote desktop? if so, I like sunshine/moonlight with tailscale but there're a million methods you could use

 No.4598

>>4594
>Remote desktop
nah.

I ended up setting up Terminus, it has some good QoL to make phone typing easy

 No.4599

>>4593
I didn't realize it, but VMs have to be based on the underlying CPUs architecture so windows VMs for Apple chips are basically pointless if you want to build for the mainline X86 chips.

So I had to setup a remote desktop to my PC.
The alternative I think would be to buy a windows server and do it but that would be more expensive

 No.4612

>>4599
Try qemu.

 No.4613

>>4612
oh... so you can emulate it but it's way slower. Maybe fine for building programs

 No.4614

>>4613
Yes, it will be slower. There are two technologies which can be used by VMs. The fast one just runs code built for the CPU under isolation. The slower one, which qemu can fall back to, interprets or dynamically recompiles code built for a different CPU.

 No.4615

>>4614
I'll look into it if my remote desktop fails

 No.4685

File:GwI3hV5W4AALWWi.jpg (459.48 KB,1957x2048)

Can we mention how Linux dev is a complete slog mess to get into from scratch, and that it gets better only like after 2 years of persistence?
¥ what do your mean the documentation rabbit holes aren't practically reliable?
¥ what the HELL are snapshots? you mean I didn't have to manually reinstall everything by my notes after something goes wrong?
¥ what the HELL are python environments?
¥ what the HELL is this dependency hell incompatibility that's somehow overly specific to my LTS-based setup because somebody only occasionally checks what they merge despite hundreds of thousands relying on the framework?
¥ what the HELL is Docker?
¥ what the HELL is WSL?
¥ what do you mean SQL was actually useful for my needs all along?
¥ what do you mean it tends to be that the only official guide on popular libraries and frameworks are severely outdated and are full of deprecated commands and code with no clear conversion alternatives?
And so on.
Is this the normal type of experience, or had it been that everyone conspired against me to blacklist me from getting some "Super Basic Workflow Practice Sensibilities For Complete Dummies"? How did people even start from? The right educational institutions/tutors/communities?

 No.4686

>>4685
what do you use SQL for?

 No.4687

>>4685
All of these things are no an issue on the BSDs. Well aside from importing Linux's crap through compatibility layer. It used to not be like this. There used to be competent people working on Linux and Linux's userspace. There aren't anymore. If you point out how stupid they are and how they write bad software they just say
>skill issue
like it's expected that you have to spend hours doing basic tasks and the best documentation is some wiki.

Come home to where we have real man pages and competent developers. OpenBSD and NetBSD are waiting for you.

 No.4689

>>4687
>All of these things are no an issue on the BSDs
You didn't even read his post. Many of these software also run on BSDs or any other POSIX systems without linux compatibility layer.
>Well aside from importing Linux's crap through compatibility layer.
Without "Linux's crap" you won't even have a usable web browser (all developer for linux), not to mention a usable desktop and other useful programs.
BSDs are only usable as desktop because of them porting "Linux's crap".

 No.4690

>>4689
>You didn't even read his post.
I did, why do you care about defending such a horrible OS?
>Many of these software also run on BSDs or any other POSIX systems without linux compatibility layer.
They run but we have better things and we had them sometimes decades before Linux
>Without "Linux's crap" you won't even have a usable web browser
None of the browser engines are or were ever Linux exclusive
>not to mention a usable desktop
They all pre-date Linux or were developed to meet POSIX standards for years until Linux's crap came along in the mid 2010s.
>BSDs are only usable as desktop because of them porting "Linux's crap".
Actually mine is powered by a display server that predates Linux by over a decade. Which we've patched and added a lot too. Which Linux people refuse to merge upstream because they like producing crap and pretending no one works on such things anymore.

I like Linux. The people that like crap stay on it and leave us alone.

List of things from his post we have that are better than Linux:
>documentation
>ability to make snapshots with file system (predates Linux's crap btrfs by decades. Ours is so good they've finally come around to using it. Too bad it'll never be accepted in the kernel tree because Linux's crap license)
>dependency hell (we don't have this problem)
>LTS vs. rolling release (we don't have this problem)
>Docker (we don't have this problem. We had jails in the early 2000s. They're better)
>Guides and frameworks outdated (we don't have this problem)
>No backwards compatibility with old versions of our tools (we don't have this problem)

Anyone praising GNU+Linux has obviously never seen the source code.

 No.4691

>>4685
Do you find Windows dev easier?

>>4689
>rotting in Linux' shadow while being uncomfortable and all problems that exist on Linux exist here but are 10x worse

 No.4692

>>4690
>Ours is so good they've finally come around to using it.
ZFS is from Solaris, dumbass. Or do you want to claim it's BSD because it used to be based on BSD several decades ago?
BSD is just stale trash that occasionally stole features from commercial Unixes.

 No.4693

>>4692
>it's BSD
Where it = Solaris.

 No.4694

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The way anon talks about this BSD stuff makes it sound interesting to me, I just don't understand a single thing I'm reading because I'm a Windows baby that never even used Linux and also doesn't understand the difference between it and all that other stuff out there

 No.4695

BSD faggots are just trying to be to Linux nerds what Linux nerds are to Windows users.

 No.4696

>>4685
Most of what you mentioned aren't Linux specific really.
>what do your mean the documentation rabbit holes aren't practically reliable?
(*´・ω・)(・ω・`*)ネー
>what the HELL are snapshots? you mean I didn't have to manually reinstall everything by my notes after something goes wrong?
And that's a good thing!
>What the HELL are python environments?
Python environment is Python, comes in handy when you don't want to litter your Python installation with a million pip installs. Also for dependency version management for your projects. Without Python environments, you'd be stuck with using libraries you installed globally.
>dependency hell
Had a lot of dependency problems with Fedora and Ubuntu, nothing so far on Arch. But yeah, it sucked.
>what the HELL is Docker?
Docker is available everywhere (I don't know what it is either).
>what the HELL is WSL?
WSL is Windows imitation of Linux.
>what do you mean SQL was actually useful for my needs all along?
SQL is just database, nothing to do with Linux.
>what do you mean it tends to be that the only official guide on popular libraries and frameworks are severely outdated and are full of deprecated commands and code with no clear conversion alternatives?
(*´・ω・)(・ω・`*)ネー
>normal type of experience
Yeah, it's how it goes. You just have to be the type of person that enjoys such torture.
>>4690
>Actually mine is powered by a display server
What was the name again...
>>4691
¥Windows dev vs linux dev
Not that anonymous but I'm doing some Windows dev as a personal project and have to say, it's pretty smooth as long as you want to do what they allow you to do. For me, where Linux wins is I can do whatever I want with it; albeit it's a pain in the butt, but that's a trade off I'm willing to make to get control over everything.
>>4694
(make the switch anonymous)

 No.4697

>>4692
>ZFS is from Solaris, dumbass.
Okay? Where is your implementation of it in tree? Want to argue about where C was originally from too while you're at it? I guess you'll rant about anything to avoid sticking to the points I made. Looks like someone didn't read my post. Am I allowed to put words in your mouth now like you do everything you come here angry about something someone else posted?

>>4695
No. I'm not loyal to any system really. Since they're all garbage. I AM angry about seeing what was once a hopeful UNIX clone being turned to garbage all while people claim it's fucking great and I'm wrong because
>you just hate change
>you're just old
>skill issue
It's shit. I'm pointing at shit and calling it shit because it's shit. I'm pointing at other shit and calling it somewhat tolerable to use day-to-day because at least the people working on it didn't go out of their way to make it even shitter than it was in the 1970s.

This idiot was trying to argue that the only reason I have a web browser is because of some shit someone did in a Linux distro. In reality, I'm using a highly patched Mozilla browser to avoid most of their shit. There is absolutely no reason why I should have to fake having dbus and pulseaudio running to make it run. I didn't have to do that 10 years ago. But I have to do it now. Because they can't be content with wallowing in their own shit. They have to force it upon everyone else.

Ironically, the patches browser engine I'm using is actually better than whatever one he's using on his kuso distro. On my system if it attempts to make a system call its not supposed to or access anything outside of ~/Downloads directory the browser crashes. Which means I can actually use the modern web without worrying about some rouge javascript code grabbing everything inside of my home folder. The Linux shitters refuse to implement something like this. Their solution? Shove it all into yet another container. I'm sure that'll work this time. Not like its been proven to be a bad idea over and over again or anything. Same goes for most everything else they shit out. They just spent years working on pipewire for audio. It has to emulate four different sound servers and doesn't even do that well. It consumes mountains of RAM with no application sending sound at all. It's "the future" they say. We wrote a much better framework for sound years ago along with patches for most every application out there to support it. It's free. Its been right there for them to use for over a decade now. It works better then pipewire, pulseaudio, JACK, JACK2 and plain ALSA. They refuse to use it because it would mean admitting they fucked up really bad decades ago when they moved away from OSS.

They contribute nothing but garbage. Which is why we ignore them. But they can't be content with being ignored. Every year they have to make more attempts to force their shit upon us. When they get told to fuck off they always cry about it and make up lies. Furiously googling like the idiot above did for one "gotcha" argument and avoiding having a real discussion. In the last decade they're been particularly annoying. What with things like the /usr merge which only an idiot that's never remotely managed a server would advocate for (who cares if the system can't boot!? Just use the livecd! lol).

They came from Windows and they ruined Linux. Now mainstream Linux is Windows 2.0. They can't be content with having NT+Bad UNIX though. They must destroy everything else in their path. The end user having a choice can simply not be allowed. Everything must be dumbed down for retards that don't understand how the system works in the first place. Then they go around pretending to be experts because they got a piece of paper from a diploma mill and someone was dumb enough to pay them a salary to script webshit.

They should have never been allowed to touch a keyboard in the first place. They are the type of end users that should be restricted to using a phone or perhaps something like WebTV. Since that's what they want anyway: A walled garden where they have no choice and no ability to do anything.

You want to know why the web went to shit? It was them. He's here right now. Advocating for it. He'll accept having to hand over his DNA to log-in and will be happy to do it. As long as his gacha shit continues to work and the OS will let him look at titties from time to time for free.

 No.4698

>>4697
>Okay? Where is your implementation of it in tree?
License incompatibilities (supposedly). So we couldn't steal ZFS from OpenSolaris like the BSDs did.

>>4697
>On my system if it attempts to make a system call its not supposed to or access anything outside of ~/Downloads directory the browser crashes.
I bet that doesn't actually work because it needs to access tons of other shit anyway.
>Shove it all into yet another container.
The BSD syscall is like a less defined container.
>Which means I can actually use the modern web without worrying about some rouge javascript code grabbing everything inside of my home folder.
No, you can use it because Mozilla and Google just barely maintain their shit for Linux, otherwise it wouldn't work on BSDs for sure.
>We wrote a much better framework for sound years ago
Which one? OSS? Sndio (fucking piece of shit)? Something else? Does it work on all BSDs yet? You're clowns.
>
They contribute nothing but garbage. Which is why we ignore them.
Yeah except using all the Linux software that got ported to BSD with minor changes.
>When they get told to fuck off they always cry about it and make up lies.
You're literally exhibiting schizo behavior. Which is why I abhor BSDfags, even though I'm not content with all the bullshit done on Linux.

 No.4699

>>4686
For another can of worms that feels like systemic abuse of everyone involved even according to its veterans. Actually perhaps half of my disturbance is exactly from this

>>4696
>Most of what you mentioned aren't Linux specific really.
Yes, it's more about personal experiences of typical devving on Linux, and how it seems to be normal to pretend everyone had any okay spoonfeeding onboarding on the matter.
>>4691
>Do you find Windows dev easier?
It doesn't easily support all the academic and pro stuff I have to grind through, so I'm just not interested. Moreover, I found a lot of errors and mismatches to be straight up unsolvable. One anon brought up BSD, and it's the same in pragmatic practice in that the framework system I'm using is recognized, tried, and indefinitely postponed - by people of better expertise than me - as something needing overly big amount of OpenBSD integration work to do.
Windows devving just feels like "if I have to force myself through so much fuckery, better do it through a distro most compatible with it, just so I don't have to waste time on the irrelevant stuff." Also typical Windows experience is seeing it pretend to be sophisticated enough to be GUI-centric, but there's always fallback to using cmd/PowerShell whenever anything serious is involved, and even though you get down to it, you still have to rely on clicking through unhandy menu systems that still didn't get a proper contextual search system implemented in 21th century.

This is already a tangent and I'll add that I'm thinking Windows and MacOS are popular among the masses because, to easily use a good chunk of their potential (even if it's low compared to GNU/Linux), you barely ever have to rely on coherent and holistic guides that should exist, but they don't exist. That's the point here. It's like how the importance and potential of GPLv3 is easy to explain if you try, but the "community" is so free-for-all even within itself that there's no systematic attempt to respect it by getting to the understandable mass-presented point that'd spread more like a virus and less like opportunistic eavesdropping on an esoteric high rank initiation.

 No.4701

>>4697
>highly patched
That's the whole point, dumbass. Browsers have all these craps because the "POSIX" port is a Linux-first driven development. They utilize many features developed for Linux, many of them developed by Redhat on Linux, for Linux. They don't care about other UNIX/BSDs.
All BSDiots do is patching Linux software because otherwise that they won't even run on your system. All BSDiots do is chasing the tail of Linux development, since it's where all useful software being developed for right now.
You live in a fantasy world where you still live in the 90s and use 90s software.

On the other hand, no one uses software developed for BSD elsewhere.
Name ONE thing other than OpenSSH that is developed on BSD for BSD and widely used on other platforms. I will wait.

 No.4702

>>4699
Your sentences are too long. Your post is hard to read.
>coherent and holistic guides
A Linux distro is just the sum of many bits of software which are barely related. Basic tools like "ls"? Part of GNU coreutils, developed by the (idealistic) FSF. The Linux kernel? GNU didn't even intend to use Linux. They developed their own kernel before Linux even started (Hurd). Linux was just another port like BSD or commercial Unixes. And of course, Linux and GNU still don't have anything to do with each other, although I guess developers employed by companies such as Red Hat happen to contribute to both. Android is an example for a Linux system that doesn't use GNU tools or libraries at all. (This is where the whole GNU/Linux thing comes from.) A userspace program such as browsers like Firefox or Chrome? Completely independent. The browsers' main userbase is on Windows anyway.
Where is such a holistic approach to be supposed to come from? The only way is the Red Hat approach of claiming that Red Hat is its own OS which just happens to be compatible to Linux. This is kinda shit, and makes everyone else angry (not just BSDtards). Of course Red Hat will only care about things they make money with too.

>>4701
Yes, mentally ill BSD tards are mad because their system is a tertiary target system for all this software. Linux is POSIX OS and has similar userspace to BSD (like both use X11), so BSD tards basically have to start from the Linux port when porting to BSD. Every Linux-specific thing triggers them.
What is REALLY funny is that macOS is actually partially based on BSD. For example, the GNU coreutils equivalent is from BSD. I think many kernel parts are from BSD too. but BSD adds a whole other category of APIs that BSD tards can't steal, so software developed for macOS is even less compatible to BSD than software developed for Linux. But you will NEVER see a BSDtard complain about how bloated and incompatible and whatnot macOS is.

 No.4703

>>4702
> Linux was just another port like BSD or commercial Unixes.
God what a kuso post I wrote. Of course I meant Linux support in GNU coreutils and glibc. At first, Linux didn't even use glibc. Adopting GNU shit was simply the most logical choice to get a fully featured Unix system.

 No.4720

Thinking of running run game(s) through wine, any tips on how to do it securely? Don't want to risk running windows viruses and comprimising my PC.

 No.4721

>>4720
if you have steam, you can use proton to run outside executables even if they're not store-bought games by manually adding them to your library
i don't remember the exact details and i don't use steam anymore, but it was fairly straightforward

 No.4722

>>4721
I don't know if running it via steam is any more secure than just running it via wine...

 No.4730

What is the difference between normal Java (JRE?) and this OpenJDK thingy? A software that needs it just recommended me to get this Eclipse Temurin JDK or whatever. I will get it regardless, I'm just curious because this came up for me a lot in the past year or so.

 No.4731

>>4730
if you're comparing normal java then it would be JDK vs OpenJDK. Basically a way to turn java code into a binary to run on the JRE(java runtime environment)

 No.4732

>>4731
Thanks! So that sounds like a compiler? If so, I do wonder what the upsides are to an open-source alternative - aside from just being open-source, if that makes sense. I assume even something like a compiler can insert unwanted additional code like monitoring into a binary if it was closed-source?

 No.4735

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Installed an SSD just for Windows VM(s) while my main PC runs on 5400 RPM HDDs. Now the Windows VM runs just as smooth as the host heh.

 No.4736

what are the best platforms to really get into coding war games etc i really want to start doing something thanks

 No.4739

Whenever I get stuck in dependency hell loop because some cunt didn't bother to think ahead, I just set a deadline on resolving this (e.g. until 6 PM today). If it's not getting solved by then, I just ditch this deadend garbage and look for any alternative. Makes me feel so much better, and I actually learn something new when I try workarounds or trying to do basic alternatives from scratch.

 No.4740

>>4739
There has been a dependency hell loop in Gentoo for years if you install from stage3. Last I checked their 'fix' was installing a binary for X to build Y so you can build X with Y. Kind of defeats the purpose of the distro.

 No.4829

Does /maho/ use any OSS email client for android?

 No.4859

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Boy, I sure do love compiling from source because my 10 EUR seedbox is a shared machine without any recent software packages. At least it can download at 20Gb/s and doesn't have a bandwidth limit, I guess.

 No.4860

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even the source files know that compiling is torture...

 No.4886

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Oh no windows 10 support is dying soon and I'm going to have to switch to linux and everything is going to break and nothing will work ever again and

 No.4887

>>4886
Don't worry. You will switch back to Windows immediately and do whatever MS wants you to do.

 No.4888

>>4887
Your post specifically has infuriated me and I will deliberately not do this now

 No.4889

dumb infuriatard

 No.4896

File:Finger_point_Mimimi.gif (560.63 KB,640x360)

>>4888
Baited into switching to Linux, +1 for the linux team!

 No.4898

>>4886
Install wine and winetricks

 No.4906

>>4886
Why do you need Windows10 support.

Being an early adopter of any technology is pointless unless it offers something really time saving(linux is anything but)

 No.4915

>>4906
security updates something something

 No.4928

>>4915
Hilarious considering windows bricking ssds with their last update

 No.4931

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>>4886
I used XP for like 3-4 years after support ended and I can see myself doing the same thing with 10. I have updates turned off to avoid it messing things up or installing new telemetry stuff so it wouldn't really change anything.

 No.4935

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 No.4936

>windows 10 is the last release, that will get updated forever
>just kidding

 No.4937

>>4915
Unless you're going to be specifically targetted, it's better to be non mainstream for security

 No.4938

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>>4937
I was wondering how those residential proxy services were able to get so many diverse set of IPs from a vast number of ASNs for a very long time and at some point it dawned on me that they are probably hosted from computers of people who install dodgy cracked software or never update anything.

There is no reason not to update your machine. IF you don't trust your OS vendor you should switch to another operating system.

 No.4939

>>4938
>at some point it dawned on me that they are probably hosted from computers of people who install dodgy cracked software or never update anything.
More recently it's phone app developers who get offered money for including certain code libraries into their apps. https://jan.wildeboer.net/2025/04/Web-is-Broken-Botnet-Part-2/

 No.4940

>>4939
This one is (probably) technically legal. Also I heard some TVs do the same.

 No.4941

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 No.4945

>>4938
>I was wondering how those residential proxy services were able to get so many diverse set of IPs from a vast number of ASNs for a very long time and at some point it dawned on me that they are probably hosted from computers of people who install dodgy cracked software or never update anything.

The current version of the CCCP (codec pack) bundles in a piece of malware by default that turns the machine into a proxy server for anyone that pays the company associated with that .exe file. I found it on someone's PC a few months ago.

You'd be shocked how many people still use the CCCP.

 No.4947

>>4945
Compromised Computer Collection Pack

 No.4949

>>4945
Sad... it used to be THE no-bullshit codec pack for windows babies.

 No.4953

>>4941
Oh my god what a cute crossover.

 No.4954

>>4947
>>4949
Yeah pretty sad since it's still the best codec pack for making random old games work on Windows. If you do the ffmpeg+common codecs thing everyone does now a bunch of Japanese stuff doesn't work including some things I've tried released as late as 2018.

The malware is at least pretty easy to remove. I forget what it's called now. I'll have to go back through some chat logs to remember.

The guy had it installed on his PC for nearly 2 years and never noticed. I know a lot of traffic must have been going through it too because what originally tipped me off something was up with his PC was his complaints about so many websites flagging him as a bot. Then a few things banned him by IP including some major social networks.

It just sits quietly running as a background process and routing traffic for a residential VPN service.

 No.4955

>>4947
>>4949
>>4954
Oh and I know everyone shits on codec packs now but I think there is still a lot of value in someone bundling them all together. Forking the CCCP under a new name would probably be a really good idea. Since using ffmpeg doesn't work for a lot of things. What it does by default is mostly fine for actually watching videos in a media player. But it fails hard when you attempt to use it for a lot of older (and current) Windows games. Those search for whatever codec directly. Tracking it down is pretty hard sometimes. I spent several hours one night attempting to find a certain old codec for a game I was trying to play. Proton doesn't bundle the codec and it isn't listed on winedb. All search queries went to dead end support threads. But if you install the CCCP it'll work right off because it bundles whatever that obscure Microsoft only codec is.

Codec packs only ended up with such a bad reputation because this is like the third or fourth time this has happened to different ones.

I don't think anyone cares legally if you distro most of those codecs too. It'd also give someone a chance to set some saner defaults.

 No.4971

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>>4955
Maybe you could use a disposable Qubes VM with no internet access and play your cracked games there?

https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/how-to-guides/how-to-use-disposables.html

I personally use separate machines on separate networks and grade them on a security scale to decide which data sits on which. I am currently posting from a Debian laptop that connects to my GrapheneOS Pixel 8 through hotspot sharing for internet access.

I also have a dedicated gaming machine in the living room that I install anything from anywhere and don't put anything sensitive on it, it sits behind a strict firewall but still. I have a second hand iPhone 14 for banking apps and social media.

What I achieve here is security through isolation. No matter how much AIDS accumulate on my gaming machine or my iPhone it's never going to touch my Debian laptop or GrapheneOS Pixel because they reside on separate networks and never interact with each other. If I only had a single phone and a single PC I would use Qubes OS on my computer and would be very careful with what I click on my phone.

 No.4972

>>4971
>separate networks
VLANS?

 No.4973

File:bd567d71dc44b3d762d1be3263….png (1.49 MB,1420x2060)

>>4972
GrapheneOS Pixel and Debian laptop: cellular network provider A.
Dedicated gaming machine and iPhone: ISP network provider B and cellular network provider C.
Completely separate networks.

 No.4974

>>4973
Sounds expensive...

 No.5189

File:6cccab95e3.png (1.08 MB,2251x202)

why...

 No.5190

>>5189
I also got this one. Their worst design so far.

 No.5191

File:2492033e29.png (1.15 MB,2287x287)

This is too much information..

 No.5193

File:f62e27353285af121f8cec1d42….jpg (839.26 KB,2400x3840)

>>5189
>>5190
watching youtube with mpv and never getting this

 No.5197

File:1460590477167.gif (1.93 MB,700x466)

>>4973
Triangulated by cellphone tower
Profiled by Iphone
Thanks for playing

 No.5202

File:af22a7bea0.png (309.71 KB,727x341)

It's so half assed

 No.5203

>>5202
Want to bet some intern generated that with a LLM.

 No.5204

I got hit with the new update as well for jewtube and now my enhancer for yewtube is broken

 No.5207

>>4936
>One bumfuck who cares engineer makes this statement.
>Retarded news journos and their retarded goyslop enjoyers like this guy lap it up, blow it out of proportion and regurgitate it everywhere.

I don't like microsoft but they never ackshually said this, lying isn't cool or attractive!

 No.5208

>>5207
Lying is very effective. It's how Microsoft defended its market share. In a post-facts world, lying is even more important.

 No.5209

>>5207
Next time, please tell people normally instead of defacing your own post.

 No.5210

>>5207
Neither is Windows 11.
>>5209
Stop being a fag about people greening, or if you really must be this up your own ass why aren't you busting >>4936 for being a greener as well?

 No.5211

>>5210
Because I don't fault people for not having discovered yentexting yet, it's about your apparent inability to correct someone in a neutral manner instead of immediately getting angry at a non-confrontative post with unwarranted assumptions.
It seems you love 4chan a great bit with how you behave just in general, why do you have to come here where you're incompatible with the culture and aren't welcome? Everyone loses, including you.

 No.5212

ironic deadposter

 No.5214

File:The.Banished.Court.Magicia….jpg (263.03 KB,1920x1080)

Yeah, the problem with the post is the unwarranted aggression and 4chan culture war buzzword. People just joke around with the greentext thing, but a post to actively harm the atmosphere of kissu is something else entirely.

 No.5215

Actual thread question: It's possible to dual boot from USB right if I enable it in the BIOS right?
>>5211
>It seems you love 4chan a great bit
And it's gone. That 4chan is gone and isn't coming back.
But this isn't about technology and you're trying to derail the thread with being a passive aggressive douche over me trying to point out that you are inconsistent in your pointing out of greentexting people.

 No.5216

>>5215
>possible to dual boot from USB
Yeah, it'll be slower than SATA but it's the same concept.

 No.5217

>>5215
>And it's gone. That 4chan is gone and isn't coming back
The behavior you seem to subscribe to, which is to put words into other people's mouths and then getting angry at them, is still most prominent on there, but frowned upon here. Again, why are you here if you can't assimilate?
>with being a passive aggressive douche over me trying to point out that you are inconsistent in your pointing out of greentexting people
I already said it was about the inability to talk to people normally, there was no reason not to just tell the poster the statement didn't come from Microsoft as a whole and that's it.

 No.5218

>>5217
Am I having a fucking stroke what the fuck are you even mad about?
Are you saying that I'm >>5207 (because that's clearly not the case)
Do we seriously have to play the game of "What the fuck did I actually say" now?

 No.5219

>>5217
>The behavior you seem to subscribe to, which is to put words into other people's mouths and then getting angry at them,
That's a very apt description of the relatively new 4chan shitpost mode. Sometimes you see how two anons excessively do that to each other by replying to each other in a loop, accusing each other of new made up offensive things every post. It's mental death.

 No.5220

zawa zawa

 No.5221

zaako zaako

 No.5222

kuwabara kuwabara

 No.5237

baka bakka

 No.5241

>>5219
Was it not always like this? I'm somewhat of a newfriend, so I wouldn't know, but I was under the impression that this sort of behaviour arose, to some extent, out of any internet discussion, increasingly so in places where the culture and moderation allows so. Do you think it's something post 2016 HWNDU wave of newcomers?

 No.5248

>>5241
Not really sure what specifics people are talking about exactly, but I do remember a far more mellow imageboard experience in the past. I think it's true of the wider internet as well.
For places like 4chan I think it's largely just assumed that you're supposed to be aggressive and rude because many people don't see value in anonymity without the ability to be bad.

 No.5251

>>5241
I remember it the same way >>5248 does. There's always been unnecessary ragebaiting at least to some extent and I can't confidently say I've exclusively enjoyed myself on any imageboard or forum even back then, but it feels to me this issue has only been getting more extreme by the year. Just a feeling because I wanna be careful with potential selective memory and whatnot. For example, the stereotypical Reddit persona has been as old as the internet itself, waving around superficial knowledge and talking down on obvious newbies for lacking the experience to include a certain piece of info in their call for IT help. All annoying, all daily fare, but it does feel more extreme nowadays.

 No.5265

Anyone else having problems with Rutracker? It's been behaving really weird for me for over a day now. For every time you load a page, there's a chance it will be either a 500 Internal Server Error, loading forever, a host error, or it will actually work. Sometimes I have to send like 20 requests to get somewhere.

 No.5269

>>5265
Have you tried again since then? It might have been related to the AWS outage.
Yes, Rutracker relying on Amazon would be incredibly ironic, but this is 2025 we're talking about.

 No.5270

>>5269
Been checking every couple of hours and it sadly still behaves like this, also with different DNS settings.
I've been hoping for it to be related to some general outside issue like that and it does worry me and my paranoia a little bit that no one else seems to be experiencing this.

 No.5279

>>5276
dealing with stuff like this makes me realize modern software stacks for gamedev are oriented for gamedev businesses teams with subteams, as if everyone subconsciously fear that making things streamlined will cause mass layoffs and industry collapse or something. this might be any "multiple software stacks for a project" field, even, since the job market seems to fuck you over more when you've ended up even looking like a generalist

 No.5284

So I had an issue on CachyOS where I have a Samsung S90D TV as my main monitor and despite it having worked most of the time, after a reinstall today for some reason it decides to go into "Check Device Power" mode when I have it plugged into my primary AMD GPU. I tried the TV with the same cable on a Switch 2 and it worked fine, and then briefly after it even worked on the PC again, but then disconnected once more later. It was really annoying because I'd even had it detected by my KDE display settings so I knew something had to be wrong on the TV's end but everything online was pointing at my PC.

But, I finally got it to work again, without having to do anything on my PC itself! What I did was switch it to the Switch 2 again until it went into "Detecting Device" mode and then when I let it go through the motions there I put it back into the PC and when it tried detecting device I pressed the button on the remote to make it detect the source as a PC and it worked again. Not sure why, so I'm afraid it may stop working again and I want to figure out the root cause of this issue that's causing my TV to behave in this strange manner. It has to be an issue with the TV now, right?

 No.5285

>>5284
I can't help you with the TV but please consider posting in the Kissu Kart thread.

 No.5293

File:product-925596.jpg (34.67 KB,573x767)

how many side projects do you have pending? I'm at a neat dozen.

 No.5294

File:Genetically_Engineered_Cat….png (28.59 KB,256x256)

I just read the tittle of this thread as "Genetics Thread" lol

 No.5296

>>5293
cute feeties and booties

 No.5297

File:proxy-image.jpg (78.89 KB,1280x720)

>>5279
It's more that 3D design is extremely complicated software-wise, at least from what I can see as an end-user, so programs specialize. Blender is the first one to attempt an honest jack-of-all-trades thing, and it does a decent enough job, but it will simply never reach the peaks of specialized software.

People can make six figures making Minecraft shaders while people have to pay a monthly subscription to use Pantone colors in Photoshop so it's all a greedy mess these days. If you create something novel, one of the giant companies like Adobe will go full Microsoft and bury you if they can't buy you out.
I'll posts in that thread sometime in the future about all the programs involved, but once you see them in action you'll start to understand why they specialize.

One of the issues with modern game/movie development I've seen people in the industry talk about is that you're expected to do more and more. It's like someone that used to just fit the tire onto a car on an assembly line instead having to tune the brakes and set up the steering.

 No.5308

File:0cfffffac2.png (1019.19 KB,1609x1325)

My boss told me about some tool that he was told about. n8n.io
And I was looking at it, thinking about the various tasks I actually have to do as a developer, where AI has failed me.

And I come to realize that this stuff is marketed like AWS is to gullible companies.
Anyone can split an HTML page, extract URLs and send GET/POST requests to a URL for results. The examples they provide are meaningless, so some executive buys subscriptions to this and tells people to use it.
Then they have to try and integrate this slop into their existing codebase causing additional complexity, and the company is now paying additional fees for their developers to try and get the AI to work in hopes of added productivity.

I just don't get how someone can use n8n.io in any way besides writting stupid scripts that serve basically no purpose.

 No.5309

File:C-1761468737083.png (1.39 MB,1381x1135)

Finally understand why the boss of slop and his cronies are recomending it. It's pushed with youtube slop

 No.5310

god, I wish the Google monopoly didn't fumble so bad with updating search engines(SEO failures) that now we're stuck with AI as the next best thing...
Likewise sites like Reddit gutting their API to prevent searchability and stackoverflow becoming OpenAIs content warehouse

 No.5323

File:chinesecommunistpartycrack….png (2.97 MB,1764x2000)

>>5310
There are no good traditional search engines left. Enshittification screws us all, except the millionaire sovereign class. By design.

 No.5326

I love trackma for letting me taiga on linux, but it's a real pain in the ass to make it work with Haruna which comes default for CachyOS and I've really fallen in love with it after fiddling with it a bit and realizing it's somewhat of a cross between the best of MPV (being able to use the MPV conf and scripts) and MPC (in UI).

 No.5333

>>5323
>pic
Why can't this be real?

 No.5360

>>4945
You're kidding me? There's malware in that? Seriously?

 No.5362

File:wtf is this.png (39.14 KB,1285x210)

Anyone know how to fix this? I upgraded Fedora and removed Wine for a bit, and it broke PlayOnLinux and this pops up when I try to run it.
For context, I am using POL for running Touhou on Linux.

 No.5365

>>5362
>python
I can only assume that PlayOnLinux uses Python, and Python broke something AGAIN. Blame Python for being absolute trash, I have nothing else to say about that trash.

 No.5366

>>5365
I am assuming there's no way to fix it?

 No.5367

>>5362
I don't know. How did you install POL? Either POL needs to be updated or Red Hat needs to downgrade or update Python. The error looks like either an API change in Python (Python too new), or POL relying on a newer API (Python too old).
Yeah, fuck Python.

 No.5368

>>5362
Hasn't everyone moved on to Litrus?

 No.5369

>>5367
I Installed it through the terminal. Just did the standard sudo dnf install for it and I did try uninstalling it and tried installing it from the Software Center, it still gave me the same errors, so there's probably no difference in install method, so I am definitely gonna agree that it's probably Python that's the problem.
I'll never understand why people shill Python so much.

>>5368
Yeah, but the best guide I saw at the time for getting the Touhou games working on Linux used POL, and Lutris was kind of an issue for me. But then again, I might try again with Lutris, I was way more inexperienced when I tried it, so maybe I'll have a better experience now.

 No.5375

File:pddd.PNG.png (6.75 KB,487x88)

Anyone here able to help me with Perfect Dark? I'm going bananas.
I have the correct exceptions set in Windows Firewall, I even completely turned off the Windows Firewall AND the one from my router and the thing still tells me the port is not confirmed. I also can't do specific port forwarding for my router because it seems to be IPv6-only and doesn't give me the option. I have no idea what else I could do here.

 No.5383

Why do network oriented programs such as browsers and email clients have particularly awful network code and/or behavior?

 No.5384

Going to go with a crazy theory that the greed of the dotcom bubble and following tech monopolies created an environment where nobody cared the slightest about the longterm and creating something perfect.

 No.5385

>>5384
Silicon Valley was created by the military industrial complex and those dudes have the tradition of not caring about the product, only the price. So I guess the tradition was carried over.

 No.5386

File:[SubsPlease] Mikata ga Yow….jpg (378.71 KB,1920x1080)

Speaking of pricing, RAM is now 2-3x as expensive as it was a few months ago. All hail AI, our benevolent bubble.
I was thinking of doubling what I had in an attempt to future proof from future price hikes, but I guess I waited too long.

 No.5387

>>5386
I heard about this only loosely and I'm not quite sure I understand. I was under the impression that regular RAM wasn't much more important to AI than things like games.

 No.5388

>>5386
The more I wait to save money to buy new PC parts the more said parts go up in price. Hate this AI bubble, please burst fast.

 No.5391


 No.5417

hehe

 No.5426


 No.5427

Nicely done not posting that thumbnail of

 No.5429

>>5417
this sounds like the script was ai generated and the voice is awful

 No.5485

Really sick of people overusing the word slop. It’s gotten to a point where they use it for anything that’s related to “bad” or “garbage”.

 No.5487

>>5485
sloppy job at slopping out this slopped up sloppost

 No.5488

>>5486
I won't abide such blatant antisemitism

 No.5489

File:C-1763410300334.jpeg (1022.84 KB,1200x1342)


 No.5490

File:[ScarletNeko] Cosplay Comp….jpg (154.56 KB,712x534)


 No.5519

File:[Serenae] Kimi to Idol Pre….jpg (253.06 KB,1920x1080)

Apparently a fair chunk of the internet is down right now because cloudlfare is down.

 No.5520

>>5519
Schizo theory: it happened because the US gov cut funding to precure orgs.

 No.5521

>>5519
My current animelist provider is down and I am suffering from not getting to +1 my shows and gain anime experience points in my head.

 No.5522

>>5521
Mydramalist is down too. If I don't +1 it, did I even watch it? Everything feels so empty now.

 No.5523

>sadpanda uses cloudflare (london)
The fuck.

 No.5529

I did not even notice it until they asked me to try a website and confirm the problem was widespread.
Seeing the devs at work panicking because they couldn't use chatgpt was the funniest thing that happened today.

 No.5530

the hell does chatgpt even add to the table... most problems it solves are completely mundane

 No.5531

>>5530
Maybe they're just this bad at their job.

 No.5532

>>5531
Imagine the biggest man-in-the-middle being programmed by people fresh out of college, forced into using GPT(they probably used it for all their programming assignments anyways), with a manager who spends most of his time playing umamusume just checking over the code from time to time...

 No.5533

File:[ASW] Kimi to Koete Koi ni….jpg (336.74 KB,1920x1080)

>>5530
I've been using chatgpt for a project I'm assigned to and it gets the job done, "the job" being churning out code that werks. Is it the best practices? No. But it is what is expected in this day and age, you get the chatbot to "help" you code. It's perfect for shit you don't want to do/want to spend brainpower on.

 No.5537

File:C-1763500705256.webp (26.12 KB,968x473)

>>5533
hopefully in an automata class they taught you that just looking at the problems being solved on the whiteboard does not prepare you for actual automata problem solving

 No.5550

I'm really, really, really frustrated with how "complicated" ffmpeg is to use. It's such a good tool and I can at least use it for simple file conversion and whatnot, but as soon as I need to actively test more specific options related to color correction, I just want to rip my hair out. A lot of entries in the documentation do not feature examples and I have to go by trial and error for hours without any helpful hints other than it at least tells me it recognizes the filter/s I wanna use but that I'm doing it wrong. Chatbots on the highest setting aren't helpful either because they're mixing and matching commands that are either outdated or completely made-up. GUIs are both outdated and only feature the essentials like the changing of resolutions.
I'm once again throwing in the towel like I do yearly anyway when I come back to this because there are no comparable alternatives, I really just don't feel like having to start the research from square one again tomorrow. I fucking hate digital video.

 No.5551

>>5550
As someone who used to contribute to ffmpeg, I agree. And I will tell you that the problems are unfixable and the project is lead by retarded idiots.

 No.5565

File:f62d9f8071c07057e3fc73c463….jpg (269.59 KB,1536x2048)

Got a USB wifi dongle made for old BD players, although I only got it because I know that these dongles use the AR9271 chipset which has good Linux (and OpenBSD) support: open source firmware, stable driver, supports AP, monitor, injection
And it's essentially the same factory and model as one of the "FSF certified" wifi dongle from another company (which costs 3-4x the price I paid for this one)




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