No.2270
.flip it
No.2273
I might buy a used 4090 since everyone's dumping them on the secondary market locally and the 5090 is shit.
I'll only give the envious green AI snake oil company money indirectly at this point.
No.2274
why are you buying an nvidia card. nvidia is an AI for buisness company
No.2275
Couldn't you get like two 3090s or two 4090s (or some other combo) used for the price of a new 5090? that would probably be better for AI than a single 5090. Or maybe a quadro and the likes. I wouldn't trust the 50 series cards just on principle that they lied about the performance metrics of the 5070, saying it's better than the 4090 at half the price.
No.2277
>>2276There's a kissu pc?
No.2278
>>2277Yeah it's what the Palworld server is hosted on
No.2279
I believe there are ways that it's used in LAN. The latency would probably be pretty bad by network
No.2280
Really it's about rendering rather than as a studio. Rendering for 3d is only ever done by distributed systems
No.2281
Pathetic
No.2282
>>2275Two GPUs unfortunately have a hidden cost to them. I'd need a new motherboard and if I need a new motherboard then I need a new CPU. I might already need a new PSU if I'm getting a 5090, so the costs are absurd. Bleh!
>>2276Not really, or at least I doubt it. That kind of setup is for rendering farms, once you have a complete scene and you send the data over to be processed, like a Pixar movie. The performance I'd want is for rotating the camera around without stuttering in a complex scene while having other 3D programs open or even a game window. You know, "live" stuff. Multi monitor setups are less impressive when you can't make use of them for everything.
No.2285
i don't even know if multi-gpu is a thing that works. when I tried to do it for video games it always had issues and the data had to be mirrored across both cards.
No.2286
>>2285Don't know about gaming, but that's how they do it at the big AI training servers with 100*s of GBs of VRAM.
No.2309
The 5090 doesn't seem dramatically better compared to the 4090, like the 4090 was compared to the 3090/Ti. It's mostly just a generational improvement. Real world performance seems to be about 30% higher. That performance increase seems basically identical to the increase in TDP; 450W on the 4090 compared to 575W on the 5090, or ~28% higher. The efficiency in terms of FPS per watt more less bears this out, with the 5090 being around the efficiency of the 4090, or slightly below.
In Gamers Nexus' testing (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSlOC_jiLQ), for reference, the 5090 had an FPS/W of 0.34, and the 4090 at 0.35. The 5090 drew 538.4W, and the 4090 drew 391.7W.
Not exactly very impressive. It basically looks like the 50-series is going to be a refresh generation.
No.2310
>>2309What about for AI, like most people have been touting it for?
No.2311
>>2310Hard to say. AI compute could be anywhere from 1.3x to 2.5x greater than the 4090. You'll likely have to wait until the release date on January 30th when regular people get their hands on one.
If you believe Nvidia's marketing, it should be 2.5x the speed of the 4090, going by their reported Tensor core TOPS. But... Well... They also said the 5090 would be twice the performance of the 4090, which it very obviously isn't (
>>2309)...
No.2313
>>2311Yeah, I'm on at 3080 with 12gb of VRAM at the moment. It's a massive upgrade for AI just based on the VRAM alone. For a lot of the AI stuff you need a certain threshold of VRAM just to run it, like the video stuff I've mentioned before would take me 30 minutes to do what a 4090 does in a minute, and that's with making a lot of sacrifices. You can either store it in speedy VRAM or you can't.
>January 30thNice, I still have some time to think it over.
No.2316
>>2315Nice, thanks. The two yotubers I look at once in a while (gaming nexus and jayz2cents) just looked at the gaming side of things. I'm generally more interested in image/video AI more than text since text has such absurd VRAM requirements for the better models. I'm sure the efficiency there is increasing over time, or at least I hope.
I'm leaning towards getting the card, but I just learned that it's a PCIE 5 thing instead of the 4 my motherboard has. 5 is backwards compatible, but I won't get the best possible performance. I guess I could buy the card and get a new motherboard in summer or so.
No reports of its performance in 3D programs, though. I'm sure it's good, but I'd like to hear more about it.
No.2357
oh wait, now I see that I said something similar 2 days ago
being sick is fun
No.2412
>>2273Update: I think a lot of people had the same reaction to Blackwell being shit, all the local 4090's disappeared just a little after the official reviews broke.
No.2479
>>2478Yeah, he's not the first to call it a paper launch. I'm not even sure what my plans are now.
No.2480
>>2479if you've got 1000 dollars to burn buy a vr set and get a better idea of what you can do with 3D models+inspiration.
No.2481
>>2480VR is something I looked into for easy money once, but it's not something I'd want to deal with. The first thing is that it's Unity and I don't want to learn an engine whose primary focus is phone games. The second is that I'm not generally good at talking to new people and making ERP avatars for people is
very personal.
Has anyone said anything about more 5090s coming in at any point? Quarter 2 or summer or anything?
No.2483
>>2481also Unity is the engine with that guy that wanted to monetize it further and everyone rallied against online. If possible people should avoid Unity since he's just biding his time.
No.2486
>>2483sounds like a minor issue
No.2487
>>2486It really isn't a minor issue that a game engine seeks percentages of all your profits and wants to attempt to retroactively change things. It's a massive liability.
No.2488
>>2487it's minor because there's UE, or directly interacting with the XR APIs with software.
https://vroid.com/en/studio is where models are uploaded and "supports Web (API), Unity, and Unreal Engine."
No.2499
>>2498I mean, pretty much everyone and their mother was waiting for the 50 series to come out before upgrading...
No.2502
There's a table for comparing MHZ and cas latency. There was some other things about the number of chips on them or something.idk.
For boards... I think transfer speed is pretty fixed and it's down to stuff like ddr and pcie versions. And picking the best of a few brands..
No.2503
CPU SECURED! (I hope)
If somehow anyone else has been refreshing sites hoping to get the 9800X3D, it's on amazon! And it's directly available from amazon instead of mysterious chinese shops created days earlier.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DKFMSMYK No.2544
RAM is also here.
I'm going to bump to let people know this info here about 5090s likely being in high supply in a month:
>>2532 No.2545
>>2532Mmmmmm, seeing some conflicting info about the melting wires here. Is it something to be worried about on any setup, or are there easy ways to avoid it?
No.2546
>>2545There's also a thing about some cards not having sufficient ROPs and I don't know what a ROP is exactly but it means weaker performance:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-confirms-0-5-of-rtx-5090d-and-rtx-5070-ti-were-shipped-with-fewer-ropsIt's something you could check yourself and they'd replace your card for it, though.
If the news is true and they're pivoting to making lots of 5090s then I could see them looking more closely at the manufacturing process. The wires thing seems pretty rare, just like the 4090s, but who knows.
No.2548
>>2544this meower just rammed me
No.2576
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motherboard
No.2578
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The case is quite nice, and it better be at the price. ($180, but I justified it because I buy a new one once a decade).
Lots of nice slots and it has a little plastic case for screws. It has a fan controller chipset thingie which is very helpful, I used to have one I bought separately and fit in a CD tray. Cases are quite roomy now without optical drives, huh.
No.2579
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Replaced CPU AIO's fans since they're said to be loud. Got a 5 pack of thermaltake ones for $30.
No.2580
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Ram in motherboard, motherboard in case.
The motherboard is known as one of the cheapest X870 boards (ASRock X870 Pro RS). It performs well, but and they really skimped out on everything other than the motherboard. You don't even get a booklet. You get ONE SATA cable which made me laugh. I have to look online as to which slots are what, like the M2 slots. Well, I guess it's a good way to cut costs.
No.2602
>>2600oh and I did fix the Thermaltake logo thing, the top part pops off.
Ran Prime95 for an hour and CPU and memory didn't crash at all.
No.2606
The CPU cooler is using an "All in one" system as mentioned here
>>2543It's water cooling, but it's a closed system for one part. It's sealed up in the factory so I can't do anything with it. The benefit is there's really no chance of leaking, but the con is that it will very slowly evaporate over time and I can't replace the water. That should take years, though, and if it doesn't then at least it was the same price as an air cooler. (This one is highly rated)
Part of the reason I did it is that the 5090 will be massive and expel hot air towards CPU, so having a radiator at the top of the case for cooling will greatly benefit the CPU.
No.2636
>>2624That's pretty cool. It uses a vacuum or something? Back when I was doing my hobbyist watercooling stuff back in the 00s you would spend a few days running the loop with a separate PSU to check for leaks, but leaking almost never seemed dangerous to the computer since gravity naturally dropped the stuff away from parts.
The failure points on this AIO
>>2600 is where the tubes connect to the radiator in the top right (out of picture) and from the CPU block (the upside-down 'thermaltake' square) and in both cases the water would be falling straight down to the bottom of the case. GPU blocks similarly would be on the bottom of the card.
Water and electronics are definitely a risky combination, but it's not as bad as people think.
No.2638
>>2636>That's pretty cool. It uses a vacuum or something?If I remember right, it uses two separate pumps (one on the inlet and one on the outlet) and when the resistance falls due to a leak occurring, one of the pumps reverses flow so that the liquid is pulled into the reservoir.
No.2645
>>2638I was thinking it probably doesn't help well with punctures until a certain amount of liquid has spilled
No.2646
>>2645Yeah, I think it mainly makes sense as a prevention against server techs killing your $150,000 AI server (and every server below it) if they accidentally dislodge a tube off a barb fitting or something.
No.2649
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For some reason the new motherboard isn't reading my oldest M2 drive which is what had my profiles on it for browsers and stuff.
Bought a $20 external M2 SSD reader thingie and... thankfully the drive is working. It makes me wonder what is wrong with the motherboard, though, maybe the M2 is too old? I moved it to different slots and even tried removing another one to see if somehow it was a bandwidth thing or something.
Kind of annoying, but at least it's a small drive and I could put some less accessible stuff on it like older AI models or something.
No.2820
>>2819>$5500there are places where you could buy an apartment for the price of a few of these
No.2822
>>2820That price is actually pretty close what i bought my previous apartment for. Then again, that was like a decade ago and it's probably several times more expensive now, so i guess your point still stands.
Imagine putting "new graphics card" as the reason for a mortgage application...