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 No.1335

I was looking at some torrents today and thinking about how when it comes to fansub and release group I'm always amazed by the ones using brazenly using discord for their activities. Do they not realize that discord keeps logs of all their conversations and information about their system/account? I'd always be scared that it's a ticking time bomb and it's only because they're not going after you that you're not caught, since you're putting so much information out there in a place easily obtainable by authorities if they wanted access to it.

What's so bad about IRC in comparison, or if it's because no images and filesharing directly or whatever how come there's no open source discord alternatives for people to use? Or am I just missing out on something here.

 No.1336

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I think the general assumption is that there's so many people doing illegal things on discord that people feel secure that the authorities would go after the more severe people first. Stuff like loli is against the ToS but it presumably doesn't stop people from posting it there because there's millions and millions and millions of people across hundreds of thousands of channels. Sure, discord could easily wipe it out by just searching for basic terms in their compendium of harvested data, but I don't think they actually care as long as the people are there to provide said data.
I think it's pretty rare that anything happens. Privacy stuff? Well, no one cares about that stuff any more.
Many internet companies aim to be fulfill many roles and discord aims to replace stuff like forums and imageboards alongside other programs or services. Think of what an older internet person does. He uses a browser to browse a forum/imageboard, a filehost to upload large files, an IM program for quick chat (with names for organizing), and optionally maybe something like ventrilo or teamspeak if he wants to use a mic and I guess Steam if he wants to do some multiplayer stuff. (Steam itself seeks to eliminate some things and is a bit discord-like since it wants to monopolize people's attention the same way)
It used to a normal part of having a computer capable of multitasking (hooray for multiple CPU cores and RAM) to make use of it, but these days many people would prefer just to one one single program for everything, even if it makes sacrifices.

Discord sucks and I hate the damage its done and will continue to do to the internet, but I understand why lazy, tech illiterate people would use it. I really like the idea of having a plethora of programs specialized for different things, though.

 No.1337

>>1335
>no images and filesharing directly
This is a big inconvenience when working on visual media where quick screenshots are common for reviewing stuff. But even more damning is losing out on all the kids who are already on Discord and want to use it. Knowing Japanese is not a trait limited to the privacy paranoid and giving them up out of fear of the feds coming after your 1000 download piracy operation that already exposes itself with torrents is pretty stupid. That's even more true if you're looking for donation money or popularity with people who will actually show gratitude. There are alternatives, but you're not going to invite someone to your fucking Element server to follow your chinese cartoon releases. At least not until you find out she's 15.

 No.1339

>>1335
It's mainly a combination of two things. Kids and newer internet users are pretty stupid. They do not understand how to properly set up an application or use anything that isn't tied directly to their cell phone number. Discord and similar services cater to these people.

On the other side; Modern "fansub" groups (using the term lightly. Ripping group is a better description) want to monetize other people's content. Their primary goal is to make money from their so-called hobby. This requires attracting the maximum amount of eyeballs and "donations" possible. So they cater to platforms where idiots with cash are in abundance. Which is Discord and other social media outlets.

Discord and other social media outlets also exist to make money. They claim they do this from advertising. This is false. They make their money from spying on the users and data mining them. So they allow certain "illegal" content on their networks so they can monitor these people more closely instead of being forced to follow them around the internet like they used to. It's move convenient is the users come to them instead of them having to seize and re-purpose existing services and networks while hoping no one involved in the bust talks.

IRC is still the better platform for things like file hosting anyway. On IRC you can operate a bot linked to any server (or network of servers) in the world that you can directly interact with. There are even easy-to-use GUI applications to interact and search the contents on those bots. On Discord the best you're getting is some base64 encoded links to some DDL server on http that can be taken down at any moment.

The main issue is that the modern internet/computer user has no real idea what they're doing. They think things like VPN and base64 encoded links actually protect them and the other users. They think encryption over a mainstream platform is real. Hence why they promote crap like Signal and other "apps" running on compromised devices like cell phones.

If you want to see a real network for warez that's been operating for decades and is impossible to shut down look no further than USENET. This network has been in operation in one form or another since the late 70s. It's impossible to censor. It's impossible to prevent the spread of data over it. But it has been slowed down. Mainly by claiming users of it are breaking the law by sharing certain data (it's always pizza in their examples) and cutting off access to the service for the average internet user (all major ISPs shut down their news feeds in the late 2000s as social media was taking off using pizza as an excuse. It was a major debate in the US Congress).

The truth is they don't care about pizza. If they did it wouldn't be so widely available on http and the rest of the internet and they'd so something about the people creating it. Pizza serves as a great way to blackmail people and shut down servers they don't like by flooding those servers with pizza and other "illegal data". They do not care about the people being hurt by it. They like having the ability to slip some 1s and 0s on any device and claiming the owner of said device/server is a pedo. It's one of the few crimes where you're assumed guilty even if proven innocent. It's one of the few crimes where they can toss you in prison and the other prisoners will carry out a death sentence for them. It's the ONLY type of data in the world that can be used as justification to shut down a server or p2p network without anyone crying censorship.

So the problem boils down to mostly the worst parts of human nature: Greed and Control. Pretty much everyone on both sides is interested in both of those things. Meanwhile, the people actually doing it out of love are censored and shouted down by both sides. They are often the first ones to be accused of being copyright police by their fellow "Fansubbers" because those "fansubbers" are afraid that such a group will take away their monthly profits. They're the first ones prosecuted by the copyright police because their fellow "fansubbers" rat them out, turn them in and testify against them.

 No.1340

>>1339
(cont)

There is also a lot that can be said about the so-called "prosub" groups (people working for CR and other streaming services). The reason their content floods the usual trackers isn't the fact that it's high quality or that people want to view it. The reason it floods all those spaces is because these people have control over such places and prevent independent people from releasing stuff. This serves two primary purposes. The first; It ensures even those "stealing" the content are viewing the same content that's approved for distro by the publishing houses. 2) It prevents anything that might outshine that content from appearing during the first months-years when the content is first being release. Which is when profits are maximized. They don't care as much once you're outside of that window of time. Plus anything released outside of that window is likely to never be seen or forgotten entirely.

As an example take nyaa. You can easily find batches of CR rips for most anything released in the last 10 years. But finding an old high quality fansub release for something from 2005-2010 is hard and likely not seeded anymore. People claim that such stuff is only available on so-called private trackers because it ensures it remains seeded and protects the users of that tracker. But this is not true since those trackers dox everyone connecting to them and history has proven people will seed content for free anyway. In a sane world (so pre-2010 or so) this was never an issue. You could always request a re-seed on a public tracker and usually the request would be filled. If not the community would come together to fill it. Now this is impossible. You aren't even allowed to leave comments anywhere. Again, they claim this is to protect the end users from "spam" and we see the same old "people were posting pizza" as an excuse. Somehow a small torrent tracker is impossible to moderate despite them having hundreds of moderators. Yet every other larger website on the internet doesn't seem to have a problem does it? Again, it's a control thing; They want to content what can and can not be posted. They want to control who and who can not post.

What we've been living through over the last decade or so is the slow death of the internet and free speech (and freedom of data) itself. Most likely, in another decade you won't be able to publish content at all. At least not without the service you're using having your full dox.




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