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This is the next iteration of Kissu's feedback discussion AKA devblog. Though there's not much in the way of dev there are still bugs to fix. This iteration will hopefully focus on admin-blogging or tool development.

Important Note: If you want a new software feature (or a really any sort of change) provide me with a detailed proposal. It must be at least 3 sentences long and tell me why it's needed.

Kissu's features are in a good place. There's no reason to rewrite anything, only improve and fix. On the outside, this is a unique site with an appearance you won't find anywhere else yet still your typical imageboard interface. This puts software at the software state we were sitting in 1 1/4 years ago before I started drafting a new UI except with more features that were more optimally integrated into the package.
[det]Nerd Things
People may not fully realize it, but Vichan is a dead end and their HTML and JavaScript implementations leave developers at a dead end. Not that I really endorse alternatives such as JSChan or Lynxchan which think NodeJS doesn't have similar problems as PHP... at least the UI is more moddern
Positives: No major raids or attacks on the site yet I've still been promoting Kissu. FAQ and Rules have been clarified to make it more clear to newcomers about what Kissu is about or how to use the new UI.
Negatives: Previously noted that we'd have an IRC channel, that exists(rizon#kissu) for when it needs to be used, but there are other ways to communicate that are better. Finances are what they are.
Future Tasks:
The tl;dr is that I just want to fix bugs at the moment. There are some software that I would like to write, but I can't justify spending the time on it since the gains will be so minimal that it's not effecting anyone except my pride/ego. Chances are the main software that I'll write are tools that support me doing specific tasks.

[det]Though it's in my head that I want to (1) Rewrite/Merge the entire backend in Rust with some other things, (2) Write an IRC server in Rust with some other things, (3) Do major refactors to the UI to make it look pretty and be easy to modify ; Chances are I won't because (1) is a waste of time since the PHP+Golang+NodeJS backend can do everything I want anyways. My spam testing show it can maintain a theoretical PPH of 300 which is faster than any other Japanese themed spinoff. (2) I don't have the means or want or appeal to cater to spammy people and give them a software, Sageru works perfectly fine for everyone and can easily have a bot written in it to do auto-moderation if need be. (3) is more likely to happen hand in hand with optimizations, but refactoring the code to an extent where everything is rewritting would create more bugs and waste time. It's not really worth it.

Further promote the site. Try to expand reach.
Certain organizational issues are present with topics not meshing together. I think this is causing a slight loss in activity. It's a much more blurry question


epic, code blocks bugging out.


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I think I noticed an area that could be improved, code blocks.


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I fucked up in designing the markup. It's such a pain in the ass.



Those tab things in your post keep closing on their own. That aside it's a really neat thing to have.


Oh, completely broken on vichan. That's kind of odd. I guess I never added that to the old UI

it must be happening on new post I guess. I'll see if that's the case after I post


It was.

Also, matching tags on vichan is basically impossible. I'm still learning a bit of things about how vichan chose to do it's markup(poorly that is).


Would probably be better if SJIS tagged stuff were under an image instead of how it behaves now >>>/jp/21930


Text being put onto newlines is a general issue as well. For instance, >>>/jp/21683 >>>/jp/21681 are both 3 lines, but because the UI squishes smaller posts, the lines get broken and text pushed onto a line below.


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Post hover shows them correctly it would seem.


it's an annoying bug that I wish people told me bothered them like 5 months ago.


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4chan and others have this issue as well. It's an annoying one. Worse on kissu because I opted for larger text size.


k, i think i found the fix... assuming it doesn't break everything


never mind, it's fucked as well.


thank me, I fixed this trash bug that 4chan hasn't even done. The implementation is ugly and the biggest hack in the software currently, so curse me.

<span aria-hidden="true" class="obscured silly-float-width-hack">


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Thank you verm, here have this cute vermin I found while looking for a bow image to make a different post


cute, you're welcome


Doing some other stuff at the moment so my explanation is limited, but it's been my perception for the past week+ that there are some threads scattered around that are out of place. Related to my thread >>>/poll/1554 3 weeks ago.


They'd probably do better to be focused more and placed into the season rotational boards. However, I can't really call them problematic as much as they are distorting the primary function of /b/ and /qa/. Removing them at a time when they're being used might be more disruptive than productive.

The /b/ one though, I'm pretty sure that one has to be moved. /b/ isn't a blogging board.


what the heck the blog thread is a /qa/ tradition

also i dont see any issue with any of the other ones except maybe the /b/ one


/b/ one was started to kinda accommodate meta thoughts that didn't deserve a thread


Has anyone shown any distaste towards the threads being where they are? This doesn't seem like a problem and doesn't need a solution, which the poll results are pretty strongly agreeing with.


There's a bug preventing me from moving the /b/ one at this time. The /b/ one doesn't need to exist.

The /qa/ ones as I said are a bit stranger. Functionally having them on /qa/ is illogical, but moving threads that are being used in order to help organization requires a good motivation. And I'm not too certain that moving the /qa/ ones would change anything.

Don't try to distort reality
>I kind of know what you mean
implies there's an issue and I feel it. It's my job to increase the creative output of the site through organizational changes boosting efficiency.


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I dont remember what I answered for that poll but I think it was "I kind of know what you mean."

What I meant by that answer was not that I think those types of threads need to be moved off of /qa/ or that they confuse me as to why they are are there, but that I often feel like /jp/ and /qa/ content overlap. Not that this means I think something needs to change. /qa/ is "generally" more serious discussion while /jp/ is "generally" more lighthearted funposting. But those aren't firm enforced rules. I think it's okay to allow leeway on what's posted on each because some people are more comfortable posting on one over the other. And preventing someone from making a potentially good post just because it's "too /jp" or "too /qa" isn't good in my opinion.

Basically what I'm trying to say is I don't like more rules because I think it stifles people's creativity or willing to post something that could be a good post just because it's on the "wrong board."

I used a lot of quotes in this post.


Blogs are not creative endevors. They're one liners that take away from creativity.
Blog threads create friction because some always complain when someone says a word they don't like or is abbrassive and some don't care about words or tone.
A blog is the opposite of what /qa/'s objective is, which is generally more serious and it doesn't fit into /jp/'s generally more random. It's literally just posting about what you ate for dinner.

Rules give clarity about what's allowed and give people a more clear idea of what they can talk about steering conversations in an direction where everyone is onboard.


And for the creativity question, the majority of threads get created by a select group of people. More accurately like 3 or 4, so saying idealistic stuff like "it takes away from creativity" doesn't make sense because I know they're not effected by moving blogs away. In fact, maybe people will be more inclined to make threads about their day if they're just outright deleted... but that's too extreme even for me.


I'm not just talking about the blog thread. I'm talking in general. I don't know who makes what posts and who makes threads, everyone's just Anonymous to me. It's all just Kissu. I just don't like more rules added. Maybe it's just bad past experiences from suffering through awful moderation on 4chan for a decade, but it really turns me off. I have faith in Kissu's community to know what to post where to post. I'm also quite a laid back person who doesn't really care where a post is made and I have no problem just ignoring something I'm not interested in. But I know there's some people not like that (I don't mean this in a derogatory way), who would prefer a more clear divide between boards.

Either way, when something like this gets announced, it usually happens. I just wanted to give my opinion on it. I'll probably get over it. even if I disagree with the direction. Going back to the blog thread though, I hate to see a thread that's existed since 4/qa/ get kicked off of it because it's not serious enough.


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Too wide now


The wideness isn't what's concerning me. It's character alignment.

That font isn't SJIS though so hmm. I wonder if there's a font that's better for this.


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Why not just leave letter-spacing at 0px? It looks fine that way.


because it looks poor on linux



looks better on light theme with letter spacing


k, i looked on my laptop and there's a font missing on the linux library. 'MS PGothic' obviously isn't allowed to be on linux by default.

Maybe some system specific stylesheet options need to be setup.


actually, looking at my screenshots it's not even using any of the japanese font fallbacks. Is there a Linux japanese font...


Mona Font seems to be the best font available for cross-platform usage.



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is not.

Have no fear, I'm going to go through all ~190 Ubuntu fonts and find which one works best. If I can't then I'll try and make it so the word-spacing only occurs on Linux


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Looks fine to me.


Not on Ubuntu


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I don't think you installed the right font, then?... Just go to the link and install the TTF file.


I'm not having people come to my site and explaining to them that they should have installed the font before coming


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Yeah, who would do such a thing.


Which garbage site is that?


Why not have SJIS tagged text be mona font and then if the font isn't installed have a notification on-screen notifying people to either install it to view the art properly or display SJIS art with the default font?


Because I am not a lazy admin and I will find a font that works so my users are not forced to do extra work to view the site. Now quiet down let me find that font and resolve a bizare bug in CSS font-family fallbacks


'MS PGothic', 'MS Pゴシック', 'Mona', 'MS PGothic AA', 'IPAMonaPGothic', 'IPA モナー Pゴシック', 'Latin Modern Sans Quotation' , 'aakar' , sans-serif

like I don't get it. 'MS PGothic' and 'MS Pゴシック' and denying the fallback to 'Latin Modern Sans Quotation'


Actually I can probably just upload MS-PGothic.ttf to the server if it doesn't violate the copyright of that font and set it up in the CSS


That's literally what I was trying to tell you about Mona...... especially considering it's public domain...


You were not. You pointed out examples of sites begging their users to install fonts to use the features on it.


I have no frucking idea what you're talking about.


downloadable font: OS/2: Bad version number, setting it to 1: 2 (font-family: "MonaT" style:normal weight:400 stretch:100 src index:0) source: [u https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf]https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf[/u]
downloadable font: hmtx: Failed to read side bearing 7225 (font-family: "MonaT" style:normal weight:400 stretch:100 src index:0) source: [u https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf]https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf[/u]
downloadable font: hmtx: Failed to parse table (font-family: "MonaT" style:normal weight:400 stretch:100 src index:0) source: [u https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf]https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf[/u]
downloadable font: rejected by sanitizer (font-family: "MonaT" style:normal weight:400 stretch:100 src index:0) source: [u https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf]https://kissu.moe/webfonts/monaT.ttf[/u]

I love fonts
I love fonts
I love fonts


Mona added to the site's files, it better not be a copyrighted font.

Which site is this. I want to call the admin a piece of shit.


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That was someone else.


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>it better not be a copyrighted font.
The sourceforge project page says it's licensed under public domain, as does the Wikipedia page on CJK fonts. Moreover, the site itself lists acknowledgements for fixes, and credits the font it is based on, Shinonome Font, which is also licensed under public domain. Furthermore, the last update for the project was 7 years ago, uploading old files, and the last update to the font itself was released nearly 17 years ago.

If it's copyrighted, I'll gladly eat a sock, because all signs point to it being public domain.


it's fine, Japan doesn't even protect their anime from piracy


Going with the previous posts about blogs and things that vaguely resemble generals I've put into place a rule on /jp/
  • The board will have no threads designed to contain thoughts and ideas
This is to say that a thread that contains thoughts and ideas is not a problem, but one with an OP that is crafted as containment of things that could be threads has to be dealt with.


This rule is not one that will effect existing threads, but an assurance that /jp/ won't contain general like threads


Just to recap, these are the existing guidelines for the three main discussion boards.
/qa/ - Questions & Answers
  • A metaboard with an anime twist
  • Posters should try to be mature when discussing content
  • Longer winded discussions about anime or imageboard meta are preferred
/jp/ - 2D/Random
  • Content must relate to japan through either text or images
  • Explicitly sexual content is not allowed, but better tolerated if spoilered
  • The board will have no threads designed to contain thoughts and ideas
/sum/, /spg/, /aut/, /win/ - Season Boards
  • All topics are permitted.
  • Boards will cycle every season.
  • Even though it's random, try to be polite.


>The board will have no threads designed to contain thoughts and ideas
This is rather vague, I must point out. A better, but maybe not yet perfect way of putting it might be, "The board will have no threads expressly designed for discussion on specific topics"

I don't particularly like this change, but regardless...


I'll think about the reword. Otherwise if you were planning on making a pseudo general in /jp/ then why would you even post there? I think you're mistaken about what /jp/ is about and your blind hatred of rules is preventing you from seeing this as a good thing.


Also ˜ got converted into "&#732;" on a few of the posts with SJIS for some reason.


because tilde were set wrong and didn't think a change would effect it all. give the site 10min to fix itself


>A metaboard with an anime twist
>The board will have no threads designed to contain thoughts and ideas

These guidelines don't make sense, you should clarify what is meant by "metaboard", and the second guideline is poorly worded, as already pointed out.


>blind hatred of rules
I said, "this change", might I point out. I don't have much to say, nor do I want to, so I'll point to my original thought on this matter (>>>/poll/225), with some addendums of course.

>so long as the only rule is "don't be obnoxious," there's going to be an ongoing tension between what is and what isn't allowed.

To this point, I think it's fairly obvious this was the case, otherwise there wouldn't have been any rules or guidelines added. Simply, it is my concern that the inverse could also be undesirable. That the literal understanding of this rule, would impede creative threads, such as >>>/jp/21680, and if taken particularly literally would result in threads that evolve into more general discussion such as >>>/jp/20137 being moved to another board. If the intent is to prevent threads such as >>>/jp/21511, then it should be worded as such. Frankly, I am just unconvinced that a rule is necessary, and to what extent it will be enforced. I am tired and in varying amounts of pain, so I will say nothing more on the topic, especially since, I think, posts such as this are better reserved for dedicated meta threads.


The rules written are what I think works, and as I see more things I have a better idea of what is true. If it's unclear that's because putting my thoughts into words is a pain.

If people make container threads everywhere that will be a problem.


The threads you linked, 1 was moderated and the other was crosslinked from /qa/(I would rather it was there). The other irrelevant(actually I probably would be incline to move depending on how long it lasts. it fits with qa threads better). Though they're blurry cases sometimes this is the how rules are and why courts exist. Unless stated as a delete rule(typically all global rules), they aim to clarify purpose to get everyone unified and if written well justify things not being deleted but moved. I think you believe a rule to be a justification for the death penalty and fear (would impede creative threads,) and would rather I go back to a singular "don't be obnoxious" rule. This is why I say you don't like rules


frankly I could cop out and use the meaningless word general thread to describe it and ride on the oldfag ideals that X is bad and Y is good, but these meaningless bandwagons aren't healthy and I'd rather describe what I think a general is.


There is a very clear reason why a lot of people dislike "general threads", and you seem to be misunderstanding it on a fundamental level. Condensing threads to avoid spreading discussion across multiple threads that talk about more or less the same thing is not and has never been a bad thing. The problem with general threads is that they tend to attract people from outside the board who only go there for one specific thread, creating a new community separate from the board's community. None of the threads you are trying to "fix" present this problem - the only thread on the entire site that does is the happenings thread, which ironically will never be dealt with.


This rant is why I don't want to bring it up.


>There is a very clear reason why a lot of people dislike "general threads", and you seem to be misunderstanding it on a fundamental level.
I'm not trying to appeal to emotions and populism. Irrelevant.
>Condensing threads to avoid spreading discussion across multiple threads that talk about more or less the same thing is not and has never been a bad thing.
>The problem with general threads is that they tend to attract people from outside the board who only go there for one specific thread, creating a new community separate from the board's community.
Having more users is good. You have a criminal misunderstanding of how things work and why a blog thread is not exactly this.
>None of the threads you are trying to "fix" present this problem - the only thread on the entire site that does is the happenings thread, which ironically will never be dealt with.
The rule prevents things from being posted on jp. Read my posts before you latch onto the single word you understand.


I don't have the will or the energy to argue with you. I already made my point, and if you're not interested in understanding what people mean when they talk about "general threads", well, that's too bad.


I don't have the patience to understand people who base their arguments around new people being bad because they use a thread more than others.

The idea is a differentiation between qa and jp. You don't understand this and want me to talk about your irrelevant feel good crap.


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unfortunately the best place to argue with vermin isn't on-site in his thread about development since he brings a billion different prejudices and presuppositions to the discussion. if you really want the most headache free experience I'd recommend #kissu on rizon


If you want fairness then yes a named IRC is better.
Even if you use any platform to discuss meta with me, know that I know you are a cretin who is trying to use my resources to control others rather than create a more productive environment.


Anyways, the rules are just something which gives people the right to arbitrarily delete and report things that are low quality.

I'm not going to remove a thread about pizza because it's not 2d/random


Made a change so SJIS will render better on mobile and smaller resolutions.
made some simple bug/css fixes


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Issued a token via direct message.


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I'm gonna blog about rule changes and meta things that I don't want to reconsider. Things that I've already spent a good amount of time weighing ; Things about the direction for the site that i feel strongly about.

I may not reply to things that question an idea's validity or are trying to get me to justify myself, but you can rest assured that I'm reading them to see if it's something I haven't considered or potentially more important than I gave it credit for. In which case I would probably respond in a calm way.


https://kissu.moe/rules clarified some points


link shortener dictionary expanded to contain 1296 blocks with possibility of false positives.

This expands the existing filter list by ~200%


considering options for an OCR that activates under certain conditions


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Is the kita supposed to be this short?


not very descriptive error message


i think the hypens are funny


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problem must be something with your browser's font library. I can't replicate


Aaa, I see it now... It's a windows thing


huh it's actually even stranger... it only occurs on windows+FF


That's so hecking weird. Windows Firefox is the only browser I know that this, but ━ is not consistent in the same enviornment

if ━━━ is done with an ASCII character in front of it then it behaves like a small dash,
but if you prefix it with a UTF-8 character it becomes a heavy dash タ━━━


I altered the Kita to use light dashes instead of heavy, but the process of fixing it for existing posts isn't automatic and too much of a pain.

New posts should work fine


Why do we not have (You)?




Uhh I meant the "Anonymous (You)" in the name.


I have no idea what that feature is,
here I implemented a feature that sounded like what you wanted anyways. v4.5.2


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Have you never seen something like this?


4chanX put a red border around owned posts, but not that.


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something like this I guess


Don't use 4chanx. Maybe I should...


it doesn't work in this UI




Put (You) citelinks as an option
Added ownership signifiers to owned posts
Kissu-Fr 4.5.4


Nice, thanks.


How do I disable (You)?


unless there's good reason, custom CSS


Custom CSS
I don't feel like adding that feature as yet because it will involve making more options tabs.


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Thinking I might remove the Anonymous (You) and make it Anonymous *
The appearance of a 5 character word is distracting from the rest of it


yes i agree with that


k, it's adjusted.
If people want a different font-size or character they have to present examples. I'm kind of meh about owned-post tracking features, but they're in there anyways because some like it.


yeah, I'm not adding any more features because I have zero motivation to perfect owned posts tracking and it's introducing messy things into the software/beginning to show off the flaws of my code and backend customizations.

Noticed that owned-post tracking doesn't work with noko active which is a problem that is a pain to solve because confirmations of successful post occur after the post has been sent into the system and this will require some messy or ingenious idea that consumes brain cycles that can be spent elsewhere(Trying to boost site activity/creativity/spam resiliance).


Alright, I fixed the feature, but please stop recommending new stuff.

If you want something then please give me a detailed proposal.


The OP has been updated with the following:

Important Note: If you want a new software feature (or a really any sort of change) provide me with a detailed proposal. It must be at least 3 sentences long and tell me why it's needed.


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Thanks. It works. And I'm sorry for making you fix something that was really just a problem on my end.


Bug fixes are different from features. bugs have to get fixed.


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>possibility of false positives
one of these possibilities seems to be that you can't do something like "word/ words" without the space


I forgot to escape a . character in a regexp




The only tough thing that's getting held up now is the image-text reader to automatically mitigate some of that spam when there's no mod activity.

Otherwise another batch of fixes done.


For ~48 hours I've added https://www.w3counter.com to the site to gauge some statistics about bots vs live clients and some other details. I want to see if having this information leads to constructive decisions for the site, but don't want to commit to anything yet.
It autoblocks if you have ublock which I assume most people have. AWIOS has no negative press.

I'm looking into some other self hosted options or most extreme case writing something myself for the kissu's specific use case if I like the idea. possibly something like this https://umami.is/


Removed 3rd party analtyics. Proved useful in visualizing traffic, but it seems like 100% of people here use ad block so it was showing only referrals and search engine crawlers.

Trying to get Umami to work(it's a bit of a pain in the ass with systemd) but it's pretty nice visualizations. It allows for public statistics pages so I'll put those URLs possibly in the thread OP for statistics nerds.


Kissu now has public statistics


Not sure where I'll put them as yet


I'm thinking these pages might make the site break GDPR Compliance or put it into a grey area... I'll give it some thought but these pages will probably go down unless I have a second thought.


I get a notification even when I myself reply to my own post.


Worked out some details.

Kissu's going to use .webp on both UIs with fallbacks to low quality(25%) .jpg
New apple devices have webp and webm support, but the old ones don't. There's one user on this site who uses an old iPhone so I have to account for that.

This will mean that while the server has duplicate thumbnails(~5kb more per file), the .webp change will mean that users load less speeding up content loading.

In order: png(existing), jpg(iOS fallback), webp(new)


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dont understand what that means but test?


Doesn't mean anything as yet because I'm just saying that it's something in the works.

Simply I'm trying to make images load faster.




Just doing a quick look at some of these files it looks as if WEBP offers same quality thumbnails than PNG with a 50%-25% better filesize.


Kissu must be one of the first (if not the first) imageboard to use .webp thumbnails


That's a 71% reduction and there are no compression artifacts nor does the alpha channel get discarded.

Using the saving on the harddrive I added a fallback .jpg fileformat at very low quality for Apple's slowness to adopt new standards



I wish it were easier to use citation chains.


the only problem I have with it is that not everyone cites when they reply to people


if you can clarify I'd be glad to help, but I don't just know what your problems are as soon as you press down keys on your board.

Found a mistake in how I wanted to serve JSON files, might have been causing some obscure and hard to replicate issues. Think the node.js server might be a bit malconfigured as well, but screw nodejs


Not sure if anyone else has been having the same problem, but every now and then the quick reply box fails to show up for some reason.


where do you typically place the QR box?


It's notable that if it's in the corner of the screen, then you resize the window it won't correct, but after refresh it will.

This can be fixed.


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Normally just in the center of the screen, off to the right a bit.


A similar experience I've had is >>8167 so I guess it's related.
But I haven't experienced or had anyone report anything that suggests a crash/error in displaying the QR.

Are you leaving out an important bit of info, namely that I think you're using a non mainstream browser...


>crash/error in displaying the QR
I'm not really sure what's happening. What typically happens is that the quick reply box simply doesn't show up when clicking on a post to reply to it, although I think the reply window at the bottom of the page does update. It typically happens on the index, and then carries over when going into a thread. But, once in a thread, the quick reply box can be reset by clicking the "Reply" button off to the side, whereupon it'll just show up and fix itself.

It's just waterfox. I'm not sure I'd consider it non-mainstream insofar as it still being a fork of a major browser.


It's an important detail. Browsers that are not chrome/firefox are not designed to work on modern websites.


OK, I think I actually understand what might be it. Not browser related.

You probably have the footer-form focused which by design prevents the QR from being opened.


but then again, if you say it happens on index that doesn't really make sense.


potentially the activeElement field doesn't behave the way I expect it to in that browser. In any case, I'll disable that and adjust the QR reposition to see if it fixes it


Alright, I put in some adjustments to how the QR behaves.

Also realized that select quoting wasn't working on footer-form


>You probably have the footer-form focused
This reminded me, very rarely I'll refresh a page -- typically after opening up my browser -- only for the page to seemingly fail to load, all but the footer. This fixes itself by refreshing the page again, but I figure I might as well mention it happening, at least on my end.

I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure I've had this happen on both my PC and phone - waterfox and Firefox mobile.


Are you saying that you also didn't get a notice mentioning the other UI?


Uh. Well, I've only ever noticed that happen when on threads or the index and then refreshing, so I'd already have gone past the homepage to see that notification. So... "Technically", I wouldn't see the notice, but I wouldn't see it anyway...


I see, you don't know what I mean so that helps a bit


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you should never just see the footer
there should always be some sort of message.

I assume you're pointing out something that has happened this month? So if you didn't see any message above the footer it broke in a weird place and I can probably deduce where.


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Thinking it's time to give the site some icons.

The startup page could use a bit of work so I'm thinking about redesigning it to be something like this.
Work in progress logo in center surrounded by some the news and motd items


I restartedd the site for a thing


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death to art


I added a colored draft to the startup window(+News) and new-draft favicon. Old ui uses what's existed in the past because I figure those of you on it don't want new things


hoping that these changes give a better first impression when someone starts the site


New icon looks pretty decent after edits. I wasn't happy with how it looked on my laptop, but desktop seems pretty nice.
Site has a dark theme on mobile for applicable browsers to make it fit better with the default theme.

Just waiting for more bugs. I think the QR form needs to be a bit less tall on mobile because the keyboard comes up far too high when the post-queue is stacked on top of it.


I may have to make a ven-diagram to explain the boards because I still think it is a valid issue that the organization isn't very clear from the outside looking in.

/qa/, /jp/, /sum/, /cry/, /b/, and /ec/ (all of them) have overlapping content and while I don't think that a diagram will help too many people(maybe make things worse) it will help me to visualize an issue that a new poster might feel.


So ridiculous that iphones auto zoom into input fields
that's contrary to any other web design paradigm and bad UX. Taking control of the page away from the users who should be in control and developers if they don't account for it..


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Going to make an actual /jp/ review using dry and boring science


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I'm looking at CSS and behaviour improvements for the catalog. Things such as making the R: and B: sections more compact, placing more threads into a catalogue line, and fixing some interactivity bugs or potentially revising how expanding a catalog thread works.
The end goal is to bring it in line with how 4chanX's large setting looks ( https://imgur.com/tJQ72CO.png )

Does anyone have any opinions on how it works right now? You click on the container of a catalog post to expand it and when you mouse out it will deselect it.


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>Submission Issue
>Maximum number of threads for the hour (5): Buy passu to bypassu!

I'm pretty sure this is a thing I suggested a while ago for spam mitigation, but I don't think it's working properly. I've made 2 replies in the last hour, but not threads. I tried checking every board to see if it's global, but every thread seems to be at least older than about 7 hours or so. I was able to make a thread on /sum/, so I'm guessing this is just something specific to /ec/ for some reason, perhaps?


ok, that's rather strange. I went to bed around that time so I would have seen anything before hand...( thread limits go down to 5 amoung other thing when theres no mod activity in the hour )


I see that senran poster made a bunch of replies. That shouldn't be triggering the thread filters though, but I imagine it caused it. There's nothing in my logs that suggests much else.

These filters are board specific.


This is proving hard to replicate...


Alright. I found the problem. Shouldn't happen now


Catalog updated.


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Been wanting a hotkey to open up the recent post feed so I think I'll bind R to it and update the FAQ


Also added in a bold font to the sidebar to try and encourage /all/ to the main board new posters use


If anyone thinks the bold /all/ - Overboard is too distracting or obnoxious I have a solution to make it better, but if no one comments then I won't do it.


Having it be bold slightly confuses my brain. Normally when there's a list of things and one goes bold it's to indicate that that's the currently selected option.


Think I agree with this, kinda defies common logic.


hm, that's actually a good point. It might be better to even have bold be the board that you're on, but it messes with my idea of how to resolve the issue.


I think anyone that uses the site long enough should generally figure out /all/ is the main board. Maybe having some indication on the homepage would work?


Why do you expect that people would use my shitty site for longer than 10 seconds if I don't hand hold them?


I changed it up.


the bold text on the sidebar for current board might actually be more ugly than I anticipated


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Mission accomplished


Will kissmin ever add iqdb support? And no, I'm not using browser add-ons because I'm not a nerd.


iqdb was dead at the time.
you can add it with custom.
but i probably will configure it today.


thinking about solar shielding backups for kissu... sounds expensive as heck though


It seems like insuring data would cost 100 dollars on I think... But solar activity induces electricity in electronics while an emp does something else... pain


Actually... could back kissu and source code on Optical Disks(bluray) for much less... magnetic activity doesn't effect these since the data is burned onto it and the amount of magnetic energy required to damage these would kill a person.

Write the site's data onto 9 discs a year.
Probably buy new ones every 5 years and then the site would be fully archived.
Optical disks currently go up to 50GB in size so if the site's storage were 12x larger it would still be possible.

Flash drives are another option apparently.



k, bought myself a bunch of DVD+R
Taiwan manufactured, Anywhere from 20-50 year of lifespan according to the conservation-institute of Canada


In addition to the automatic backups of SQL and thumbnails that get sent to the luna server, my sporadic backups onto local HDD storage devices, I'll do a yearly backup onto read only DVDs.


IQDB added. IQDB doesn't support .webp though and the .jpg fallback on this site doesn't exist on every image.

So IQDB works on anything posted after Aug 27th


>20-50 year of lifespan
isn't that for pressed discs only? i've heard that recordable discs have much less lifespan


Burnable media uses triggerable dyes inside of holes. Overtime the dyes react with materials and lose their readability. Silver and gold layers over the holes prevent the rate that this happens.

Pressed is stamped so it should last much longer. I dunno if it uses dyes or not. I think not because it's hard to find information on when pressed CDs go bad. Maybe they never deteriorate in ideal storage.

The max lifespan of a DVD+-R probably assumes that the dye never loses it's readability. In best storage conditions some people say DVDs can last 200 years...


of course this is very much a matter of calculation, estimates, projections and averages. The CD-R format has been around for 33 years. My source says that these should last 20-50 Years so it seems like this number is probably accurate and verified from actual examples.


wow, a 24 hour delivery for standard price. love newegg


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Discs manufacture code: PAP 632 Y I300756 96 4
Which corresponds to a manufacturing date of Sept 30th, 2020 07:56

So at minimum a backup of either today or tomorrow (and all the software running on the site) should last until 2040


May have replicated the issue with the QR not appearing
Seems to be an error I got which did this


More specifically relating to selections and parent nodes.

In other news,
September 11, 2021 has been recorded to 9 DVDs


I had a false positive show up (don't know exactly why but it is an page with a bit of an ugly looking URL so I imagine that has something to do with it) although I was able to get around it by posting an archived copy. Can't post the link here for obvious reasons but it was the original URL of this page: https://archive.is/RONf.



forgot i have bipasses to spam filters... time to start up private tab


Err... what did you just do? The site changed back to the default theme by itself and I can't find the button to switch it, the toggle-new button doesn't work and the banners page is dead.


Back to normal now


does uploading files to the server cause this sort of thing to happen...


Anyways, i resolved this false+


oh I think you might be omitting some information... was this on the happenings thread? Happenings thread has a unique way that the UI works.


yeah, so you switched to the old UI from /qa/thread/4165 which changed your URL to /qa/res/4165, but 4165 has a unique rule that it ignores your UI cookie(for archiving) so it stuck to the old UI and then when you changed page it started working again


I've resolved what I assume to be your issue


Similar threads, found at the bottom of thread pages, rotate on every refresh now.
Previously it was showing the same threads with lots of replies, now it will show less responded ones as well due to a random shuffle function. The algorithm will still prioritize larger threads however.


Nah, the layout on the whole site looked to have reverted to default software settings with all custom elements (themes, options menu, new UI, banners page, etc.) completely missing. Changing or refreshing the page didn't do anything. I didn't alter any settings and it revert to normal by itself after five minutes or so.


uh, not sure why it wasn't thought of sooner, but if youtube videos are basically just a thumbnail instead of an embed before being clicked, why can't you spoiler them? like, i'm sure you could spoiler them through the mod interface or whatever, but if you click the spoiler button icon thing by the submit button, it doesn't actually spoiler youtube videos.


problem is brenan or czack decided that it would be a better idea to put embedded data into it's own seperate SQL column.

In layman terms the systems that control files are not the same as the systems that control embeds. This meaning that adding this feature requires reworking the database design.


Beginning the draft process for a Rustlang core designed for Kissu. Will be an API that can have bindings with Python/Lua/etc scripts for a speedy performance and ease of application design. Personally built Twig template, MySQL parsing engine(I don't trust any existing Rust packages/libraries).
Will use preexisting security tools for logins and MySQL server because the people who design these are better at this than I am.

This core going to be the main component of all server projects going forward (some statistics features, removal of vichan) so it will be able to handle all the activities of imageboards in an abstract way that allows for scripting freedom.

Core will be called Amaterasu, Kissu applications Tsukiyomi and statistics program Susanoo.
I intend to paywall statistics and improve payment processing.
This hypothetical idea acts as a combination for hazuki-Golang(API server, proxy banner and AI), Kissu-NodeJS(New UI starter), Vichan/NPFChan/Tinyboard(Post server), Vichan-UI-generation(Old-UI page generation).

This is the start of a probably 2+ year long(on and off development) idea to create an immortal server designed for Kissu that allows the site to handle any level of traffic and allow admins to operate all the functionality without shell access.
No UI changes will occur as a result of this, on the mod side or user side. The old Vichan templates will continue to work on it.


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Sounds really cool, just remember to take it easy.


Fucking sweet dude


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I don't know if this can be fixed or not but just pointing this out:
1. I get a notification even when I reply to my own post.
2. I get the same notifications twice.
Is there anyone else who is having this problem?


I thought I fixed 2


2 is probably the result of having incognito tabs open and such, since I can't replicate it.

I suppose I can put in a condition to check for your own post replies, but I don't consider it a major issue.


K, I put in a fix for #1.


I don't have any incognito tabs open though. One thing I forgot to mention is that the two notificaions don't come at the same time, there's a gap of half a minute or so between one and the other.


>One thing I forgot to mention is
This sounds more familiar, but I haven't noticed it. Still think I fixed it a while back and there's some privacy setting that's preventing local storage being shared between tabs, but I'll have a look at it when motivation returns.


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Clicking the small banners to make them rotate is borked.


fixed thanks


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Maybe I'm just blind, but I keep trying to upload pic related to >>>/ec/3586 only to get the message "File already exists!" preventing me from posting. I've looked over the thread a few times and don't see it, and searching the filename finds no results so I'm not sure what's up.


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it's vichan idiocy, you can't post the image if there is an identical one anywhere on the same board.
the warning should link you to where it is.


huh hmmm. let me try


Oh, yeah. I see what you mean. How annoying... I know 4chan does that, but isn't it for stuff in the same thread?...


It's a setting that I decided might be a good idea. It makes people look around the board for threads they may have missed. But in some cases it does seem like an inconvinience. I'm open to opinions on it.


i've enabled it in thread only. try now and see if it works


I can understand preventing the same image being posted in the same thread, but preventing posting of the same image across an entire board seems a little overboard.

Also, I think I should mention that I was pretty confused what was going on since the notification had disappeared a few times in a row of me trying to post before I even noticed that there was a notification saying what was happening, and a few more times of trying so that the notification would appear so that I could read the whole thing. In my opinion errors such as this where posting is being prevented, the error message should be non-disappearing so that the user can actually read what's happening.

It works, but upon further investigation I decided the image wasn't a good fit for the thread after all. Whoops.


Makes sense. I'll add it to my list of changes


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When creating a new thread from /all/, if you Ctrl+Enter it tries to post, instead of going to board selection.


that gives me 10 thus reported bugs, so I guess I'll fix them now


Fixed 10 bugs I found and were reported after this point.

theatre.kissu.moe update for a not-notable potential bug. Also updated from the fork.


.txt is an "unknown filetype".


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Not a super important issue, but what causes the recent posts thing to say 60 minutes instead of 1 hour?



    var min = Math.floor(sec / 60);
    if(min <= 60){
time_string = min+" m" + (long_names ? "inute" + (
         min > 1 ? "s" : ""
) : "");

I noticed this issue with on 7days vs 1week, but didn't apply it to the rest


On Vichan imageboards(probably lynx too), the report feature exists not for reporting illegal content, but things the community doesn't like.
This is a bit of a fault in the system. There needs to be an illegal report option, so I'm going to see about adding this in the next 24 hours.

Reporting will in the future have an illegal option that makes mods get notified of illegal content faster.


Updated site to 4.10.0
Major change is how reports are handled, both on client and backend, to give faster responses from mods.


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Would be nice if the floating embeds didn't push text over as if the embed was an expanded image.


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Options > posts > Original Video Expansion


why isn't that on by default?...


The dragable feature is too foreign to people using conventional imageboards
Dragability is more of a unique usage which can make the general usage, watching content, more complicated.
It covers posts below the expanded making it harder to read newer replies.
Don't think it looks as nice as pushing text over


Something rather minor but after clicking the "Reply" button on a thread (new UI), the popped up quick reply box is not automatically in focus.


I think that's a pretty big usability issue that I've gotten used to.


I've just never used the "Reply" button so I noticed when I used it for the first time. I always click on a post number to get the quick reply box. But I just realized that I had gotten so used to it that I didn't even notice I still have to manually focus the quick reply box.


To be fair, on imageboards, the "reply" on threads more accurately means "view whole thread" than it does "reply to thread".


He specified reply button, different from the reply link or even just reply.
Though if someone wanted to be technical they could say the QR button, but it's not a technical discussion, but a simple suggestion.


oh. I'm not sure what they mean then because clicking the Reply button pretty clearly does bring up the QR box. I think I'm missing something here....


Not sure I understand what I'm trying to correct.



I'm not saying it didn't bring up the QR box but that the QR box that appears after clicking on the "Reply" button on the side panel is not automatically in focus. "Automatically in focus" meaning user has to manually click on the QR box that appeared to start typing anything.


fixed the focus issue

Fixed a few other issues, but mostly changed how the flash player works.


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Having a search bar on mobile would be nice.


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Also did something change with regards to thread URLs? I've noticed links to threads updating and pointing to a 404'd page. Mainly just on my phone. I don't think it's happened to me on my desktop PC.


Is there an image size limit? I can't post 6400x6400 image because of error: "Failed to resize image!C Details: Killed"


Means system ran out of memory, so yes. I might need to impose one.

probably not. What I imagine happened is you couldn't download a certain json file in time so it gave you a 404 page. This might be a bit intuitive. Also debugging phone problems is a major pain.


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Sachiko Birthday 2021 CSS Art Attributions:
Cursor: Official Signature
Background "Mascot": https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/174742
Disembodied Reply Head: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1657510
Falling Sachiko: https://twitter.com/frenchmaid_


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damn that's some powerful sachikos


/b/'s catalog hasn't been updated since 01/19/21, is it normal?


What do you mean exactly? You're not seeing newer threads since then in catalog?
I had that happen to me, but clearing my cache for kissu.moe cleared it up. Hmm...


Newer threads simply didn't display in the catalog, and it only happens on /b/ not any other boards.
I tried opening on another computer and initially all threads appeared, but after I changed the "Sort by" option, the exact same thing happened, and the "Sort by" option doesn't actually take any effect.
When I refreshed the catalog page, I saw the new threads flashed for an instant but then immediately disappeared. So I think they are actually there but somehow something made them hidden.


ok... that's strange
Also I assume you mean the older UI


Right, new UI doesn't have the problem here.


well, admin #2 got the issue yesterday so I have some ideas on why, he uses Waterfox and assume your browser is more standard


Tried on Chrome, Firefox, Pale Moon, all have the same problem.


The error is a bit misleading. I think I replicated it by changing the sort order.

You have a sorting order selected and something about sorting is causing it to crash. If you go into the dev console you should see: Uncaught DOMException: Node.removeChild: The node to be removed is not a child of this node implying something in Vichan's catalog.


Got it,
Due to various changes in how markup is handled, some pages have broken HTML from mod edits which causes catalog sort to crash.

Also am going to add debug errors to mobile mode so I can better figure out some issues on that.


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Sachiko's birthday is over in all timezones ;_;
If you wish to keep it active longer (or forever?) here is the css code thingie for old UI/vichan: https://github.com/ECHibiki/Kissu-Files/blob/master/sachiko.custom.css
But, you will need to save the images from the /test/ sticky and upload and link them yourself in the future since they won't be there forever.


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What's up with this icon? Spent a good minute or two looking for the preview option that I was sure existed. Even started wondering if it was a dream or something.


pencil and ruler, it means you're trying to sketch up your post and measure it before posting.

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