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Sounds good, make it cute.

Sounds like a good idea.

Keep /qa/ spirit! With time we will be the only ones associated with the name who will be remembered.

>>11882
My OC

I'd try to avoid bullet points and keep the message as short and disgestible as possible, with something that barely looks like an introduction. And I mean very short.
It's obvious from looking at the site that it's otaku-centered, and saying it's random is a pretty generic statement, so I'd skip those if possible. Maybe just go ahead and write "you can make random funposts on /jp/, or get into discussions on /qa/," and offhandedly saying that it's "away from mainstream flamewars" or the like without coming across as spiteful or passive-agressive. Not sure if there's space for mentioning the site's origin, personally I'd leave it out. It's not like 4/qa/ had a good public image back then either.

Part of the problem of saying that you're easygoing is that people will assume the polar opposite, because clearly you're trying to prove something which is likely not true. "It's okay to make mistakes" implies mistakes are relevant enough to warrant mention. Linking to the bans list and possibly /trans/ as evidence of this might be helpful in showing that bans are predominantly used against spam, not regular users.

>>11882
This one's complicated, the situation was a mess. Both delivery and reception varied greatly.

>>11889
If the image is meant to be used elsewhere then we shouldn't assume the viewer has seen the site. And even as an introduction to the site, a brief description of what you'll find where is handy since the names don't make it self-evident what most of the boards are really for.

I agree that it's good to avoid looking like a bitter not!4chan by avoiding negative language. Maybe say it's a small, but relatively active site spun-off from 4chan in 20XX that has since developed a unique culture and a host of technical enhancements to the traditional format. Gives the history and an idea of what parts of the shared cultural foundation apply and which trends it's separated itself from without implying we hate or actively avoid the mainstream. You can indirectly say what you don't want by omitting it.

And yeah, probably no need to mention mistakes or bans. Moderation tendencies aren't a central selling point and anyone self-conscious enough to hold off posting for fear of either is only going to be reassured by lurking anyway.

>>11891
>Moderation tendencies aren't a central selling point
For me they were. A big part of why I stayed on Kissu after my initial introduction to it was knowing that the mods were willing to use their powers to maintain the site's quality. Imageboards tend to be loosely moderated free speech zones, and while there's definitely room for that sort of thing, it's nice to have something like Kissu that offers a more curated experience.

>>11891
>used elsewhere
Oh, right, I glossed over this part:
>or perhaps something people can share elsewhere if they so desire
In that case, I think it'd be best to have two separate images, since the two situations are very different. It wouldn't make sense to have a person view the same image twice.
Looking through the adverts still present on /b/, >>1948(Cross)/>>5095(Cross) don't tell you anything about their sites, and >>6883(Cross) is just a list. The one that's really good is >>3486(Cross), it's nice, it promises something constructive, special, and the text in the post is about as long as it needs to be.
There are a few more adverts in the embassy thread it mentions: https://alogs.space/robowaifu/res/2823.html. These are: nanochan, /ixit/, and /leftcel/. They're wordier, I'd suggest other people read them to see what they like and dislike about them. Personally, I've never been convinced by advertisements, so it's hard for me to think of a way to truly improve on those.
>>11892
In that case, could you elaborate on your experience?
>>11894
It's very clunky as it stands.

Hand is still a bit too sensitive, but lots of good ideas here so far. I think I'm staying away from any complicated shapes or diagrams. Just a bunch of text and maybe some cute pictures with Hazuki and Koruri and such. Oh yeah, we should make a collage, but we need a starting point and I can't really make any edits right now...

Two versions of the image? Yeah, I guess that could work, but I'll keep the images and change the text.

>>11895
I (>>11892) found Kissu right around the time I was dropping most of the imageboards I was active on at the time. They were starting to absorb a lot of mainstream social-media culture in lieu of creating their own, and I have no interest in being in a community centered around echoing the latest Twitter trends.

I was drawn to Kissu because it seemed to lack most of that stuff, and learning that the mods actively combat it gave me a lot of confidence in the site's future.

kissu iceberg meme

Oh, and maybe something about yentexting? Hmmm.

>>11907
I (>>11906) think it's important to mention our memes/inside-jokes because they're one of the easiest things to lose as a community grows. As a real-life example, recently, I've seen people using the term 'normalfag' on Kissu, in lieu of our homegrown variant 'norm'.

I'm not trying to play culture police; that sort of thing is the death knell of a community. Nor am I saying that all of the people doing it are necessarily new users. But I think it's important to the sites identity that we inform new users about elements of our site culture that don't exist elsewhere, so that they're at least aware of them.

>>11909
Hmm, usually I treat normalfag as a stronger way to say norm, just like normalfaggot is a step up in turn. That's what I assumed happened in >>>/qa/112645 (sorry to point fingers) since generals being chatrooms is such a common talking point and the tone was much more negative than usual. Same for >>>/secret/17687, just a bit of buttupsetness. That and the tech schizo are the only results from recent months:
https://kissu.moe/search.php?board=none&search=normalfag

Now, that aside, if I were to see someone spell out silly memes like that right by the door, I'd assume a penguin of doom situation, in a bad way. It simply runs contrary to imageboard obscurantism, and that's what we're stuck with. I agree with >>11910. In any case, Patchy and Koruri aren't like fat Sanae, they're posted regularly and things would have to go very, very wrong for that to stop being the case. They're not too hard to grasp either, I'd worry more about greeners.

>>11911
The happenings thread is more of an imageboard embassy so seeing unusual words (for kissu) really isn't unexpected. Rules there are more lax so people don't feel pressured to conform to a board they might not use other than in that thread.

Hmm... I guess this is something to add to both images. The imageboard happenings thread is certainly worth mentioning.

>>11909
>>11911
>>11912
I almost wonder if it would be worth it to create a Kissu Wiki to archive things like memes and other site culture/history that wouldn't fit on a single image.

>>11913
Having people lurk to learn about memes and culture feels like the way things should be done but who knows

>>11914
lurk before posting is the only bit of knowledge about imageboards i ever needed

>>11914
>>11915
I agree to an extent, but at the same time, how many people actually lurk? And to what extent? I'd be willing to bet that most new users start posting as soon as they see something they want to respond to. I know I get the urge to do this, and I've been using imageboards for a pretty long time.

And even if they do lurk and lurk thoroughly, new users only have access to whatever is up on the board at the moment. Don't get me wrong, there's benefits to ephemerality, but it also means it's easy to forget a community's history if you don't document it.

>>11894
please remove vtubers. we really shouldn't be welcoming that folk here. besides, they already have so many places to post about their favorite 3DPD with an anime avatar

>>11916
Can't say you're wrong, personally I don't lurk much unless it's a culture and/or topic I'm obviously unfamiliar with, though I never start posting straight away.
A wiki is more of a museum in my opinion. Documenting stuff is good, that's why >>11917 exists, but also the prior conversation was more about losing current culture due to influx, which isn't quite the same. I'm not against the idea, I'm just saying >>11906 isn't going to be killed by it and doesn't need to be spelled out in the introduction pic.

>>11918
This was a bigger deal three years ago when it first boomed: >>5027(Cross)
Now it's eh, just kinda fuck off maybe alright, but it doesn't need to be banned. Those days are behind us.

>>11921
We can deal with wikis later, let's not get carried away by scope creep.

>>11921
>4chan's general opinion, especially from the "lurk more" crowd, is that it didn't want new posters, ever, because the clubhouse was full.
I think you're really misreading this. There were certain parts of the site that adopted a "fuck off we're full" approach at times, but "lurk more" is inherently a method of integrating new users so it can't be used as a blanket rejection of them. It was meant as an alternative to reading a few KYM articles and thinking you'd fit in perfectly with those wacky nerds over at the 4chinz because, as you've noted, reviewing encyclopedias and archives doesn't give you the full picture that actual immersing yourself in the culture for a bit does. It's true that this does slow down, or rather add a delay to, the acquisition of new posters, so it requires that you already have a sufficient amount of activity, but the amount of time it takes to pick up the culture also becomes lower the more time you've spent in adjacent communities. Anyone from another imageboard can look at yentexting and quickly pick up that it's just greentexting but super special. It doesn't matter if they don't know the exact history of it, just that it's the current norm and that they try to conform to it.

I really see it as a rejection of that cold, hard documentation you mentioned and the status quo enforcement that it tries to bring about. Embracing ephemerality means embracing evolution and new users are the means to that evolution. What they pick up in their lurking phase is what is relevant in the here and now and making them learn anything else would just be getting in the way of making something new. In this way, we're able to change with the times, for better or for worse, and avoid stagnating in a pit of old memes. From this perspective, it's pretty much the lowest possible barrier of entry you can give newcomers without just rolling over and letting other cultures completely overwrite your own, hence the strong rejection of people who refused to do even that much.

>>11923
>super special
It systematically distinguishes between textual quotes and everything else, that's genuinely special. It became a grammatical thing, belive it or not. One poster developed a quirk where yenning overrode an irregular lexical item in a predictable and consistent way, regularizing it. It was a very interesting thing to see.

Oh, and yeah, I've seen fa/tg/uys complain about 1d4chan due to what you describe.
Not him.

>>11929
It's that, y'know, I see a list like >>6883(Cross) and it just looks so uninviting. I don't think lists are fun, but maybe that's a me thing.

Also more space to fit pics on the sides, I should add.

>>12012
/qa/'s description talks about it in contrast to another board. I suggest contrasting /jp/ against /qa/ instead. If you want to make kissu not come across as "just another /jp/ spinoff that's not even 10 years old like all the other ones", emphasise the /qa/ continuation nature of it
seasonal boards: ditch the part about escapism. suggest "The seasonal boards are more aligned to real life and blogging. They are each visible only during their season!" (emphasising a gimmick that sets it apart from /jp/ spinoffs)

the tagline under the welcome text and the bottommost "Kissu is a place to have fun..." are redundant. I don't like the tone of "Stuff such as outrage culture, politics and the like are not permitted". sounds too much like a rule/directive, it's not worded in an attractive way, even to people who want to come to a site without those things. too much emphasis on the negative. dunno how to improve it though

I think kissu too is filled with aggression and outrage

>>12015
no, I'm just angry