Is the UI lacking anything? I think if I add in recursive post hiding(replies to hidden posts are hidden) and regex-filters the UI becomes the most advanced amoung all imageboards with more to it than even 4chanx, just lagging in optimization and user experience..>>10192
Vichan's UI will be supported indefinitely.
Vichan the engine will be destroyed.
Vichan the UI is still important because Google doesn't understand what to do with the main UI and how to index it properly... so it makes the site do less well on search engines.
Maybe a confusing concept unless layed out like that.
I'll look at other imageboard engines and userscipts to see if there's any useful features Kissu doesn't have and then I'll get back to you.
probably not that much. I think there's only three things
4chan X has some useful features that Kissu (to my knowledge) lacks:¥ Gallery view¥ The ability to hide all images¥ The ability to hide all posts without images¥ Custom Keybindings¥ "Copy text" menu item
And probably more that I'm forgetting.
There's also some missing stuff from the legacy UI, like announcements (which you can hide in 4chan X) and tree view.
The gallery view sounds like an interesting idea for a side application/website which just shows images.
Considered various hiding features, but they don't seem like they'd provide any benefits.
Custom keybinds could be useful. Maybe a list like that would be more helpful in getting people to know the current ones.
What I get from it is mostly that there are some alternative views (gallery or tree) which some people like
my custom ctrl+z function's not putting characters in the right place. Will be fixed after my current task
The images of banners that've come after Lucky Sigh no longer have a filename extension, making it so you can no longer open them in a new tab and requiring you to add it yourself ocne downloaded. Is that intended behavior, or did something break?
because adding the filename takes like another line of code so I didn't bother with it... I guess I can add it to the list of things to do
>>10193>Vichan the UI is still important because Google doesn't understand what to do with the main UI and how to index it properly... so it makes the site do less well on search engines.
Also because it's a perfectly good UI in its own right.
if you're over the age of 30
I am not over the age of 30, I am 30.
You don't need to add extra qualifications to my statement to make it right, I was already right.
well now you’re over the age of 30
it is also true if you're under the age of 30
we can see there is only one year where the proposition does not hold
nah, you're just an old man who will soon be completely enveloped in hatred towards the younger generation until it becomes the entirety of your being.
I don't like hateful old men that don't like younger generations
I don't like men
What about the video?
Well, you could download it if you want to right now: https://litter.catbox.moe/wz38nv.mp4
I'm not sure it's going to be that useful to keep it on kissu's server, though. That, and it's less special if it's available at any time. I'm trying to do CSS stuff more often (but not on this level) and they're designed to temporary (and sometimes recurring)
designed to be temporary*
Hasn't vermin claimed to be 30 as well? Is this his way of dealing with a third-life crisis?
enjoy your prune juice and whisky
Starting on my issue list. About 24+ items to get to>>10198
I'll cover this one first.
Damn teenyboppers, with their stupid hair and their bad at computers.
Hmm, it really should be overriding that I thought...
Well, a temporary solution is to set your theme down here to Luna. Hmm, maybe I should use a bunch of !important tags for this temporary stuff.
!important spam is bad practice and will make it a pain when put into a UI theme
4.20.3 Fixing moslty bugs.
Only thing of note is >>10198
New stylesheet will be added with the next set of bugfixes to the markup and some preview issues.
I wasn't going to formally anounce it until I finished fixing something things, but...
I know, Cool said he didn't like it. I'm going to upload it so you can add it as a mascot.https://kissu.moe/static/lala/mascot.png
There's a few reasons.
1. I wasn't 100% happy with the choice, but it was an easy-to-clean image while I was running out of time.
2. There's tons of Lala images and just one is not enough.
3. I don't really like just grabbing and using someone's art like that without permission
4. I'd like mascots to be something people use on their own and maybe we can have a thread for editing and sharing them. This is related to #2
lala stylesheet added to kissu-ui
Wait, if you're doing away with Vichan, what does that mean?
Would you be still basing your software off any form of legacy imageboard code, or do you mean like you will be working from scratch?
Yes, from scratch. I have my own ideas on how to make an imageboard engine.
30-40% of the site is already not vichan, rather my own thing that supports vichan. Probably will end up putting some of that code into a new engine, but the Twig stuff and it's disgusting functions.php and post.php are getting thrown in the trash.
What will remain of vichan is the original.kissu.moe pages and supporting it in such a way that it doesn't break with server software changes.
Keep thinking there's a bug with notifications displaying multiple times, but it's just my computer's clock falling out of sync
How does banner rotation work? I used to think they changed every time you opened or reloaded a page, but now it seems there are pairs set per board for a certain period of time.
same way they've worked on this UI for the past year. Boards have certain banners and they change after posts
Huh, after posts? Let's see...
why did we get a new banner only a few minutes after I fixed the no-extention issue...
very coincidental timing. always think that I somehow broke the feature for a few minutes reminding someone about it or if someone has loggers setup to detect whenever a page changes.
lot of various bugfixes going to be uploaded Ver. 4.20.7
Things that I've caught, but others haven't
Things to do by roughly the 17th:
- Thumbnailer updates
- Catalog threads should behave like the homepage (r.click pin and preview hover)
Why is there a broken jpeg in the bottom-right corner of mg screen?
fixed in patch i'll be uploading... sooon....
Why keep the engine private? Vichan needs a successor, but there aren't many good options...
Name one imageboard I should care about other than kissu
amazing, it didn't fix that
hmmm now all quotelinks have an [/s] after them
and that > above has [s quote|]
I have zero experience with code or anything, but it can provide a boost in word of mouth exposure and improve its (already good?) reputation if it becomes a source for something like that. The best and most recent example is probably meguca, a relatively insular community (outside of its repeated mistakes with politics) that became known to a wider audience for its software. I wasn't a fan of meguca's giant general thread format, but I find myself bringing it up once in a while because of the software.
Of course, the downside is that you can't control what it's used for. Again, meguca is the best example is recent memory. Well, it was the same site so actually could have been controlled, but we could pretend it was a separate instance. Anyway, the unfortunate reality, needless to say, is that imageboard communities are not rainbows and sunshine and it could be disturbing to see one's creation used by unsavory types.
I guess it's matter of whether you can accept the bad with the good. It seems like everyone that has done it, from 4chon to 8chan to meguca has regretted it to some degree, although those guys all had angsty political motivations that mellowed when they left puberty.
Huh. I guess now that I think about it, imageboard software is quite tainted the past decade.
I'm currently starving myself and trying to fix this damn issue at the same time. I'll think about how teens can hijack my software and ruin kissu's identity (for a few upvotes) later
Inform me of any bugs... the usual
Do you ever try and random security testing on the frontend, I think you listed react which is pretty strong (blocks xss) but that could be fun.
if they can't do XSS then what can they do... I've done a bit of checking for prototype pollution and couldn't find anything dangerous. Bots get pretty well deterred by some changes and the React UI, but other than those I don't see how anyone would cause damage to users
The banners program prior to me rewritting if from PHP(laravel yay) had an exploit done by a bot, but I've yet to learn of something that would end up... for example... transmitting the user's delete key to someone and letting them delete threads
The main thing of note is that there are no sections in the UI which allow for users to execute code based on their own inputs. They could change their state from Mobile to Desktop, but that would just effect how things are displayed.
There is a possibility that someone could find a way to DDoS the UI by creating excessive markup flood. I've put in some counter measures for that, but thinking about it maybe there's more to look into there. The markup on Kissu is kind of insanely powerful but also quite broken and takes a lot of maintenance.. More testing may be required for that.
The main aspect of security for Kissu comes from my dismissive nature towards people and reluctance to let anybody in. If bad people don't like Kissu and Kissu doesn't try to get in their way elsewhere, then they won't care about it.
Yeah I agree with the not caring part, individuals aren't going to put in the dedicated time and bots try random attacks on every site on the internet daily; if it's not easy they're not going to follow up.
Something's still up with crosslinks:
I was able to repro it on /test/, but not here.
Issue found and resolved
How about Heyuri? If for no other reason than that it has its own closed-source imageboard engine called kokonotsuba and you could compare notes.
Mentioning heyuri is exactly why I'd never want to open source the UI nor the backend.
If I think about it the backend could be open source if I'm comfortable with it not being a implementation/security nightmare and trust that other people are fine with my less than profesional git standards. Still, probably no one will ever use it since, just like in anything else, advertising matters more than the quality of the product.
>>10338>Mentioning heyuri is exactly why I'd never want to open source the UI nor the backend.
Why does the existence of Heyuri impact your choice about whether to open source parts of kissu? I don't see what one has to do with the other.
I am not trying to further the imageboard ecosphere, I am trying to increase the value of kissu.moe through the software on it.
Thumbnailer bumped to 1.0.0
UI ver 4.20.14 fixes relating to thumnailer, some poll things and small fixes.
¥ next update a bunch of fixes and additions to polls
¥ one after that is changing the catalog to function closer to the homepage.
¥ final is to list and allow hotkeys for markup to be changed, thus exposing the radioactive glow or the yen hotkey¥ and potentially any other markup that doesn't have room in the markup helper bar
Then the UI will likely be put aside for small fixes and update while I begin major server renovations.
Upgrade to the polling UI
Noticed a pretty significant issue in multiple choice polls
really should have bumped the version to 4.22
Next task, hotkey customization
>>10196>¥ Custom Keybindings
Is currently being addressed.
- Still not sure what a copy text menu item
- Won't deal with hiding at this time.
- I Might need to do a test program
in golang to prep programming styles for server rewrites. If I do I'll consider a gallery.kissu.moe
to fulfill the function. Or maybe I won't and feel like I can jump into writing the server right away.
I guess since it's two people and you gave an example I'll give it a try(add it to my todo list) and see if it works.
The reason why it's called page R is because it functions differently than a numerical page. If it were a forum, then page 4 would have only 15 - n replies in it. Instead it's page R which contains n <= 150 replies... Makes me hesitant to change it because it seems like people don't understand the idea and want to morph it into something that it's not.
While we could have it so that it works like the imageboard index, this creates a scenario where people who favorite certain pages will find themselves not able to bookmark pages... the inability to bookmark pages and allow searchengines to store pages as unchangeable datapoints is in my opinion a flaw of imageboard design which is something we run with, but shouldn't be further adopted.
So, there are certain design principles that I don't want to bend on. But I think I might be able to work with the example here to be something more easy to understand, however giving it a number violates the principle given above, that people should be able to bookmark pages. Page R is not a de facto page, it's an imitation of it. However, it may just be a soft violation that I can work with
Hmm, let me see if I'm getting this right:￥thread A can have up to 150 posts in one page￥up to 149 replies, it'll only have one page: [R]￥once more than 150 replies are posted, the oldest replies will begin to be moved to page 
And then the same goes for page  when reaching 150 replies in  or 300 replies total, is this how it works?
yeah, page 1 can have one post one it while page R has 150
Then, aren't these traditional pages in inverse order, with the most recent replies starting from the bottom of the first page instead of the oldest ones starting from its top?
No, page R is a plate that can hold 150 ml of water. When it overflows there's a bucket called Page 1 that holds the spill. When the bucket known and Page 1 is full, it's switched out with the bucket known as page 2
Okay, let me try again, is the order like this:
1 < 2 < 3 < n < R
your false reality might be what I have to go with if you still don't understand
Could perfectly be me being dumb, could you explain it in a different way?
The happening thread is a cyclical, but what if the posts that get deleted after a new one was made got stored somewhere? Where would those posts go and how would you store them? Of course, the first post deleted would go on page 1, the 151st would go on page 2, the 301st would go on page 3, but whenever you go back to thread 4165 you will always be on the most [R]ecent page
Hm, how'd you come up with this system?
I consumed food which put calories into my brain, then I used those calories to think.
without my sarcasm. It was because I wanted to create a page system to reduce page loads while making it easier for search engines to store information. The cyclical behavior on 4165 became the best way to implement with these conditions already imposed.
It's uhh, a secret vampire power
bleh... we were talking about this and I guess I can try to force mascot changes for it
you found the bug!
Yay! What do I get?
I changed it so that the mascot will override what Cool put in. He might look into how to put it in the top right>>10402
Invite to become part of the kissu dev team! You get to start tomorow, get ready to work 12 hour days looking for bugs for me to fix.
iranai!>I changed it so that the mascot will override what Cool put in.
No no, it's easy to move stuff around, but it rarely makes sense visually. It generally implies that the character is floating up there in the air and that's rarely the desired appearance.
Her bed is firmly on the ground, and it can't really go on the left or center or it gets blocked by posts, so it really has to be lower right
I could make it so that things you add have highest priority over mascots
Maybe, but I already copied what you did into a text file so it shouldn't be an issue in the future. I guess whatever you think is least likely to cause any issues in the future
probably best to override people's mascots to show your funny temporary mascots
Widening worked, thanks
on second thoughts... I'll just make it be as in the image because it does look a little odd
never mind the deleted comment. I see
Well yes, I am modifying it so it would differently be different at different times.
Or did you mean that the code shouldn't be visible?
>>10490>shouldn't be visible
He's messing with and trying to fix things right now, might not be a good time to judge how things are
well, I'll consider it
No one's noticed yet, but someone probably will today or tomorrow, that I forgot to remove a line of code that was disabling ctrl+z, ctrl+shift+z and ctrl+y.
I'm currently changing how my undo-redo works and during update forgot to remove a part. Plan to have it back by the time I finish my programming session, like 4-5 hours from now or less.
Resolved undo-redo issues. Added bonus from fixing:
The TAB key will insert 4 spaces instead of jumping when a textbox(textarea) is focused.
As of this version instead of adding new things, I'll be looking to getting the software to the point where all I'm noticing is bugs and things largely undesirable. This is to make it so that I can pivot to other tasks such as server changes.
Removing tab key might be a bit of a usability problem. I've already noticed that it gets in the way of shift+tab so I've patched that, but I don't think tab is used as much... well someone better complain about it if it's annoying
I don't see how that addresses the bug I pointed out.
Ok. I see what you're saying:
"when I hold down tab it doesn't create a new line in the text area. I don't want to confuse this with going down a new line because this is what tab normally does and I don't want you to be confused that this is what I mean"
>>10504>when I hold down tab it doesn't create a new line in the text area.
Yeah.>I don't want to confuse this with going down a new line because this is what tab normally does
What? Tabs normally change lines?
go into the name field and press TAB>>10499
This is normal behavior within firefox, and perhaps chrome. Beats me why they do it, it's purely visual, the actual input still has that many spaces
>>10506>go into the name field and press TAB
Ah, you were referring to the focus changing from one input field to another.>This is normal behavior within firefox, and perhaps chrome.
From what it seems I would have to basically create my own textarea, which I tried to do half a year ago and it didn't work out
actually, it looks like it can be fixed through CSS. I assumed it was normal because other imageboards have the same issue
kind of absurd, to be honest, that what I have to do is not the default behaviour in textareas
Could we have a purple glow for text?
VERY important when talking about a trio of magical girls consisting of the pink one who's the heart of the group, the yellow one who's her more reserved best friend, and the spunky blue one who they meet at the beginning of the series, that halfway through the series gets joined by the purple girl who's kind of a foil to the pink one.
The final should probably just be all web colors with a picker menu or something like that.
I think we've got a good RGB and gold silver thing at the moment, but if it comes up I'll consider some others
I've started the beginning stages of writing a server, which is basically me drafting out the plans to write a ton of design papers/diagrams and establish use cases and predict the future.
Essentially theoretically create the conditions for the server to exist and plan for where things could change years down the line. I probably won't start writing until a month from now, perhaps starting with some test applications I'll make for little funny side applications on kissu like a gallery page or a text only/low-res archive or something... things that I can get a bit of information about where my design ideas are going right or wrong.
odd, php got killed by the OOM killer
>Warning: - [05/Aug/2022:22:34:57 +0000] "POST /post.php HTTP/1.1" 502 163 "https://kissu.moe/ec/thread/7648" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/102.0">Your post at that that time corresponded with PHP crashing, please tell me what it was in the /b/ thread
I was trying to post a picture of Hikaru from Star Twinkle Precure's cute toes.
Can you give me a link to the image because obviously something about it consumes a ton of memory without triggering any of the warnings
was the picture.
Sigh I wish it was me choking to death on Hikaru's toes instead of the PHP server...
What's imagemagick for?
it's a downloadable (command line) tool which modifies images. Vichan and most imageboards use it for creating thumbnails.
There are some alternatives such as Cloudflare or Amazon can generate them for you to save memory, or write your own like meguca, but for the most part it's not needed to use anything other than Imagemagick.
Looks like I've created a solution to the issue
The max length that's allowed is not a true length and a limitation in the function I'm using to generate it causes an error. Probably fixable, but not certain.
It's a thing with ffmpeg when the video length is past the max it can be set at. Might be a better rule I can use on the server and the application
Also you should have gotten an error message somewhere, guess I didn't set that.
Also I think it should allow you to set the slider from without the thumbnailer open.
But, the thumbnailer is slow because the process of acquiring thumbnails from videos is not exactly fast.
last-reply sorting seems bugged on /all/ index. Currently >>>/sum/1292
is shown on top, meanwhile >>>/sum/1416
had 2 saged posts in the meanwhile, and it's not shown anywhere. Also page 6 on /all/ is missing.
1416 is shown on /all/ somewhere but it's not being put on top of /all/ with last-reply sorting as you say.
Page 6 is missing from the bottom pagelist(when 15+ threads are hidden), this is not intentional, probably the leftovers of something I once fixed but didn't properly test.
Actually I see what you mean, there's a dead spot after the catalog page ends(only 14 of 15 threads are displayed) and there is a situation where page 6 is dead so I guess I only fixed that issue in my dreams.
meh.. the disappearance of page 6 will just have to be an idiosyncrasy with the UI software. Assuming this was due to thread hiding, fixing it isn't worth it.
Oh, I see how it is now. You have some boards hidden so it's causing the total threads on the given catalog page to remove index pages..
Well, that's kind of how the system works at the moment. I don't really want to change it either before a feature rework&refactor or earlier without more requests
probably unclosed css tags in the blotter
Is this the sort of thing you'd fix for $$$? I don't plan to pay right now, but I'd figured it's worth knowing.
Asking for money to fix bugs is a bad idea and that's a bug, but I think it's very minor.
In terms of priority with that bug:
- In the case of the sidebar pages, I should get to matching it with the footer pages with relative ease.
- But to fix the footer pages is a bit more high effort
If someone were to give me like 30$ I'd do it right now, but otherwise I'm waiting for my energy to respike so I can actually tend to a growing list of things I ought to be doing...
what makes it higher effort... if one wants to know is that the catalog is not only visually divided into pages, but functionally divided into pages. As a result of this change from straightforward full catalog json into paged catalog json, the code for doing what it does now became very obscene and impossible to read. Hacking in features to get it to work in a user friendly manner is going to be extremely messy and I'm going to have to rewrite that entire component... eventually....
Got this today posting with vichan UI after solving flood captcha:
>Undefined index: force_captcha
Captcha bug, vichan bug, or am I just bad at clicking on Serval?
came from the situational situation where we do a check on the images after they're uploaded.
is there currently a bug around banner creation? I am getting a 500 server error.
someone posted one yesterday and I can post my own. Perhaps it's something relating to the image itself? Could you post it here
>>10583png: invalid format: invalid checksum
just made it a jpg. thanks
Seems to be an issue with golang when checking post data.. the PNG you posted has some unfamiliar tags and golang team hasn't addressed the issues.https://github.com/webp-sh/webp_server_go/issues/137https://github.com/ECHibiki/Community-Banners-2.0/blob/c6ebbac63e0c9e85127c79d8a9858d8dddce4d56/controllers/confidential.go#L64
Guess that's why bakape wrote his own golang image processing service
well, it's good I saw this before investing too heavy into certain methods for a new server
If I'm going to have to write my own code to handle various issues with golang on handling HTTPS requests then maybe I should just go with a from scratch system...
tehe what if you rewrote it in rust
Writting code in Rust is very slow. I'm considering it though.
I had some hypothetical ideas about golang executing rust code through object files ( a similar concept as CGO https://dave.cheney.net/tag/cgo
). This was something I'd ideally do not at this stage though.
Well, since that discussion has gone into meta and I brought this point up `elsewhere` just a few hours ago. Frankly it's kind of a bother that Kissu has been putting up with people who get emotionally invested in content that other people like and they don't. The thread about avatars has been a tipping point that is going to probably influence how I personally argue certain meta matters on how the staff should deal with other people in the future. I would rather thin out the site's population than deal with these types of people, but a decision like that is something subject to discussion between the /qa/-counsel
to be fair, in commercial settings popular languages are usually the most useful languages outside of niche technical applications or legacy support
you can find a million job applications with python as a skill but only one with rust listed
this of course feeds into itself as most systems then get made in those languages further increasing demand for them
"meme" languages will almost never make financial sense to develop in. It's similar to actual language in a way, sure you can learn to speak Slovakian but English is more practical and beneficial to learn and thus has many times more speakers than Slovak.
The avatar thread was an anomaly, most stuff is just light ribbing and that was me just trying to avoid this very conflict. Im sorry.
This is basically the conflict in my head right now around whether I should be doing things in Golang or Rustlang.
My tendancies are going towards fixing the golang problems using golang rather than abandoning the language since it's got larger coorprate support for webservers
I'll post the mod-log relating to the topic. If you disagree with my mindset then sure
Verniy | Kissu.moe:
If kissu ever wants to talk about something more serious than what it does already, then over half the posters on the site will need to be moderated or else it will look like 4chan or some other non-extremisy imageboard
I mean, we've got a few people who would explode at any serious vtubter threada guy who has exploded against NTR
and instead of try to remove these problems we;ve attempted to integrate with them because you guys refuse to hunt down posters out of some sort of questionable emotional state
So, sad to say, but kissu will always be a site for the low grade content that has no larger artistic or academic value
and it's not like they need to be banned, but they need to be told that they're being disruptive and the only person doing that is me. You guys just handhold unstable posters and let them continue to be themselves without confronting them
though I would figure it's easier to just remove them and focus on people who matter...
How many land mines need to exist on Kissu before you guys understand the threat?
Verniy | Kissu.moe:
That kissu is a more mature site is a farce maintained by the community's reluctance to go into modern topics that have some degree of personal/moral/ideological differences
actually maintaining a site which is mature requires effort put in to maintain maturity. Effort that is considered as 'slowing down the sites post rates'
of course, people will start thinking this means banning anyone who uses tbh or certain word choices that are used by younger people... but in reality it means becoming enemies with people you know who you judge to be incapable of having sensible conversation with
in general, it requires someone being the villain here
from a business/operations side of things golang is the answer, especially if there is more 3rd party support for it
unless the particular issue you're coming across right now absolutely can't be done in golang without some sort of revolutionary or groundbreaking technique
or unless you really want to develop in rust
>>10601> unless you really want to develop in rust
Basically the main argument.
But practically the only way I can justify doing it is if, for example, I realized that Golang can't handle all .PNG files without failing and then I ask a new question: should I fill in the gaps using a Go library, a Rust object file or a CLI program that is called from the server. In which case the argument of Rust object vs Go library becomes a more balanced argument
>>10600>So, sad to say, but kissu will always be a site for the low grade content that has no larger artistic or academic value>That kissu is a more mature site is a farce maintained by the community's reluctance to go into modern topics that have some degree of personal/moral/ideological differences
To play devil's advocate: what benefit would this elimination of strife provide, and are the topics in question ones in which the community broadly wants to talk about, or are they ones that only a small subset wishes to talk about that another another reactionary subset responds to harshly? What is the "cost-benefit analysis" in terms of people wanting such and such and such to be moderated or not? Moderation can steer communities, but they cannot build them alone -- are the priorities of moderation different from that of the community? To be more blunt does anyone even care aside from moderation, ahem, verniy?
Personally, I don't particularly have any strong feelings either way, but I would be inclined to believe that most people are varying levels of indifferent to the aforementioned inflammatory topics. I can't say I appreciate the crassness that they draw, however. Regardless, I'm not sure I'd appreciate having nebulous standards on speech to fulfill some abstract notion that reducing strongly emotional posts is beneficial; if I wanted a sterile read of only the facts, I'd read a wiki page, not an imageboard.
In some small facet, this position against strife seems very similar to me as with people who vehemently posted againsted users who regularly posted reaction images, as if they were worse posters because of it. If the goal is engender more "mature" discussion, I don't think you're going to spawn many more people to care about the things you, or others, may want to have mature discussions on without fundamentally altering people's expectations of what's acceptable on an imageboard. The time old answer had always been to encourage assimilation and to discourage anti-social behavior. If you create an environment where even community moderation is shunned, then of course your only answer to this situation is going to be forcing the heavy handed response of moderation.
What are you even trying to say? I don't care to argue with you, I just do things after I've come to a decision about how it will impact things.
I don't want to argue about anything... I was just giving my two cents on the matter which you seem to not care about...
because reading it I got the idea that you weren't addressing my concern, but trying to get me to argue against something that won't influence my opinion.>>>/jp/41476 Why does a post like this exist and why do I permit it to exist? Your long post doesn't help me understand that at all
>>10608>Why does a post like this exist and why do I permit it to exist? Your long post doesn't help me understand that at all
How should I know?! I'm not giving you a template for moderation or trying to psychoanalyze your actions or statements! If that's how you read me, you're gravely mistaken!
Clearly I was also mistaken in thinking you could handle "mature discussion" as well if all you're capable of is slewing your own insinuations at me.
Well, just tell me what your post said so I can know if I should read it or not, because I don't think there was anything in there I wanted to read.
As I said, I am concerned not with my own maturity or people being mature, but rather a select few people who's main purpose in some threads is to disgree with their existence. I would have no problem just banning them outright. I don't think your post addresses this concern and is trying to get me to think of whatever you seem valuable
Well, I assume nobody has any objections. I'm just going to purify the thread I linked a few minutes ago
>>10611>Well, just tell me what your post said so I can know if I should read it or not>>10604>does anyone even care aside from moderation, ahem, verniy?
My point is that if
no one cares about this matter besides yourself, what value does banning or simply deleting certain peoples posts provide to other users and to Kissu more broadly.
To me, it also seems as if you're discarding the broader issue particularly in the case of the one anti-NTR guy; namely, it at least seems to me
that the person(s?) posting about NTR are also doing it to troll the guy who responds so harshly. Just banning the guy who throws a fit isn't going to solve anything if both are in effect egging the other on.
The problem matters because no one provides feedback so it's all on me to understand what people want.
Really the only way to get any sort of feedback on kissu is to post on sageru, and cool has banned me from there too many times so I'm never coming back. IRC is also one of the worst discussion platforms but I digress.
If nobody's giving feedback don't you assume it's because people are fine
with how things are, and don't need you intervening with what's going on? Or are you too tard to figure these things out without knowing what everyone's thinking 24/7?
This is why discussing things in public is such a poor decision. Always I'll have to defend against some people who pretend to know what's working and what isn't
Listen, we're not communicating right now, only talking over one anothers voices so don't even bother. I'll just do what I want.
(another staff member here)
Just so people know, vern has a flair for the dramatic and "kissu is getting some detrimental posts affecting the atmosphere negatively" might come out as something like "kissu's identity as a free enterprise of the philosophical marketplace is in grave peril, we must mobilize the benefactors to quell the chicanery afoot". I don't mean this in a bad way, it's just people might read a post like this and think things are in danger of collapse or severe change and get the wrong idea. He's thinking out loud to get some feedback.
I agree that people are getting more agitated and angry at things instead of simply avoiding them, but my stance has been to address it as a user and not a moderator. However, If people start to give bad posts attention instead of good posts, which is happening in a vtuber thread on /jp/, then this does invoke moderator action to purge people from destroying threads because they don't like the subject. There's an entire world (and many fantasy worlds) to talk about, so people should spend their time talking about stuff they like. You'll find that posting earnestly in threads you enjoy will make you happier and enrich the site, while also moving something you hate down on the page. I never, ever want kissu to be a place where you can expect people to enter a thread just to say something like "kill yourself [current popular buzzword]". While I've been typing this someone else took action, so that's good.
Also, I think this thread should remain focused on software and not community stuff.
sounds about right>>>/trans/7968
>>10615>no one provides feedback
Where should meta feedback go?
I was under the assumption that if there was a need to complain about something they would just make a thread, but again the issue got pushed onto sageru for the longest time
I would like to report bug, >>>/jp/41493 doesnt display properly in thread or when you expand the post while using the new ui. It should show this word https://cw39.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/09/longest-word.pdf
and then "oozing from" but its just a blank box. You can see the post fine with the legacy ui.
>>10613>it at least seems to me that the person(s?) posting about NTR are also doing it to troll the guy who responds so harshly
People posted about it beforehand and I don't think the amount of it has increased lately.
also i think this bug was just fixed, or rather we re-evaluated the character limit
yeah, I editted it because after a certain length i make the thread abort parsing.
The character limit was set at 60,000 and I lowered it down to 6000
your post was 12,000. Too many wbr tags and such
>>10604>what benefit would this elimination of strife provide
Misinterpretation. Can clarify if you want.>and are the topics in question ones in which the community broadly wants to talk about, or are they ones that only a small subset wishes to talk about that another another reactionary subset responds to harshly?
Why does this distinction even matter in your head. People should be having fun and not be getting insulted for liking a thing. Nor should fans of the content be forced to read that their favorite streamer looks like a whore irl.>What is the "cost-benefit analysis" in terms of people wanting such and such and such to be moderated or not?
?>does anyone even care aside from moderation, ahem, verniy?
Fuck off.>I'm not sure I'd appreciate having nebulous standards on speech to fulfill some abstract notion that reducing strongly emotional posts is beneficial; if I wanted a sterile read of only the facts, I'd read a wiki page, not an imageboard.
Did you not like when I said fuck off to you? If so maybe we need standards. Not to be randomly insulting people.>>10605
Stop trying to sound smart.>community moderation
is the cancer that is killing kissu
I'm being informed by a mod right now that I missed everything I could agree with you on
Maybe you should write more clearly in the future and stop trying to use vocabulary which only functions to make it harder for others to read your posts.
... doesn't happen because of things like this:>>>/sum/1980>>>/sum/1983>Do it again and I'm going to consider you a possible threat to the reputation of moderation on kissu
What the hell!?
I've been a part of the imageboard "scene" long enough to tell you with a high degree of confidence that "community moderation" does not work in the long run unless it's propped up by a good amount of actual
this is a link to some 4chan /g/ thread I guess?
yeah, i'll fix that one before the hour
also why are you(?) using the light theme. It's so bad and needs to be remade
Resolved. I made it do what it does on mobile. Should have been checking for undefined there in the firstplace
I find it funny that the best cases against laissez-faire moderation are made by the people who advocate for it the most.
Was trying to think up ways to insult you for using vichan all the while fixing it.
I think what I'll go with is: Technologically backwards pensioner
How about you fixing new UI on iOS first before issuing your judgment.
It’s not working on iOS 15. Nothing is showing.
Call me an iToddler however you want but you have no excuse for not supporting modern versions of browsers.
ios... What's even breaking
hey man... i just wanted to let you know that finding a way to test this website on iOS would be easiest if I had an iphone, so would you mind mailing your phone to a certain location?
Testing websites on phones you don't own is really not fun at all and shouldn't be expected of anyone
You can test on a browser with WebKit engine. Like epiphany or midori on Linux which use WebKitGTK.
I tested on them, the new UI doesn’t work on them either.
jumping over the moon here just to support your paper weight
alright, I somewhat expected to know what the problem was and it seems it was this...
Your shitty 1000$ phone's proprietary and sole browser doesn't support modern regex which my free firefox/opera/chrome/brave browser does.
IMAGINE having the nerve to shit talk when you spent money on a commercial browser which hasn't fixed compatibility issues in over 4 yeras!!!https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51568821/works-in-chrome-but-breaks-in-safari-invalid-regular-expression-invalid-group
Well anyways, despite your poor ability to make decisions with technology, it's my intention to keep supporting the vichan pages, but the cost is that I insult you every time you report a bug for me to fix something on it...
So unfortunately it looks like I'm not going to be actively supporting iOS devices
At this point your statement
you have no excuse for not supporting modern versions of browsers.
Has ZERO weight to it, because your browser is as bad as palemoon! Can you believe it?
Look at it!https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=174931
This is a modern technology that's being used on the internet and pushed by apple!
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oh no look at one thing it doesn't support... apple is finished!
Last time I let a sink into my house, the police arrested me over something about kodomo abuse. Never doing that again.
We could spend all day pointing at things each browser does different from others, but the point is that for all of them they have support and update to the current versions of common technology
Wasn't sure what PTCs were and I looked it uphttps://webkit.org/blog/6240/ecmascript-6-proper-tail-calls-in-webkit/
That's a stupid attitude to have towards your users. You're a bad UI designer.
Not sure if posts are being delete from >>>/ec/8812
or it's a bug but I keep seeing "(0)" in the tab title.
I saw that too, but sometimes people are prone to deleting their own posts.
I think there are bugs but not certain https://kissu.moe/api/properties/ec.json
shows no recent deletes
The QR box is not in focus when opening with the 'Q' hotkey.
added to issue list.
also I noticed a while ago that the Esc. key doesn't close the report window.
Since it was an /ec/ thread, I suspected it might have been due to a thank, and sure enough thanking an image I get (0) in the tab title.
Correct. looks like you win a prize.
I'm trying to work in bugfixes while I familiarize myself with intermediate concepts of golang. My buglist is kind of huge though, with priority going to anything that prevents users from using the site(
well I might disable some functionality just to get it to work on ios depending on where the fail is)
so much readinghttps://go.dev/doc/https://go.dev/tour/listhttps://go.dev/security/https://go.dev/blog/all
just to go in more depth: 38 bugs currently being tracked
I'd like to resolve all these bugs but Oct 1st (24 days).
Pretty much all of them are things like: >>10698
Also I'm working on the feedback&forms creator/viewer that will be added to the set of tools Kissu has available to it. If it's not done by Oct1(ideally before) then I'm not exactly satisfied with my progress on that.
yeah, but that assumes the person doesn't add things into the text field. Otherwise I'd end up combining unrelated posts together
Isn't the stuff you're posting to the text field technically supposed to be part of the name.
It's possibly a fault on my end that could be resolved by some more complicated algorithms, but that's kind of a bother. I'd have to be doing an IP lookup for every single post on the feed to determine if it's the same poster as before and such information is obviously not stored in the feed.
The feed concept basically does not work well with imagedumping and I only made the system that exists now on the assumption that people wouldn't be entering in text to bypass it, creating a situation where I have to entirely rework the concept of the feed to have different behaviour on imagedump boards vs others... and who's to say that the day after I update it then someone decides to dump a bunch of metadata + image on /qa/ .
anyways. This is a benefit to /ec/ being hidden by default. It's not intended, but it kind of works out nicely. And personally I just hide /ec/ when I see a bunch of posts on it anyways.
the name as in the name field or the filename? the filenames are just user post numbers and post title and I dont plan on changing that
how do you know who the authors of all your images are if it's not in the filenames
oh all the images are separated by artist name directories, the structure is something like:Pixiv
resolved along with another bug of this nature and another unrelated
Unlike the quick reply window which cannot be dragged outside of the active viewport, expanded view popup windows can be dragged outside of the viewport. This is particularly an issue if a user accidentally drags the window upwards, hiding the top ribbon from where the window can be closed, making it impossible to remove the window without refreshing the window.
clock ticking on me to get to a level of being able to rewrite vichan to something modern...>>10731
I'll note it down
Ehh, I'm not sure if it's easily fixable. No one expects to use a search function on an imageboard, but that could always be changed I suppose.
I think the easiest change would be to make it visible outside of 'home'.
.jfif files (aka jpeg files with a stupid extension) get served with content-type application/octet-stream so they trigger a download instead of opening in the browser.
jfif are jpeg interchange format which means it can switch between various types. Just because you are an idiot, does not give you a justifiable reason to make fun of the works of other people who surpass yourself
In the future maybe you could just say:
"I don't think we should include jfif because they're an outdated format only supported by twitter" to which I would respond 'there are some situations where people repost images from twitter and it's convinient for them'
or just simply say your problem:
"jfif files are served as octet stream" to which I would say 'yes, i'll add it to my list'
I don't need to hear Anonymous' ``proffesional`` opinion about jfif
get out of my thread
Ah kuso, is this why Desuarchive has that blurb about needing dev help for new archiving software?
Desuarchive has been needing devs for a few years to replace their internal engine(what extracts posts from 4chan is different from what handles your search requests).
It could be that they need help going up to PHP8, or maybe they want to change to a different engine. I haven't looked it up.
This is not limited to the 'Q' hotkey, it seems that the QR box is never in focus when opened anew.
Either someone submitted this to me a while ago and I forgot to do it or it's been undone by something else.
I feel like I've heard this before
Don't know if this counts as a bug but you can click on the thread page number for the thread page you're currently on to reload the thread page. And I guess this is inherited by page numbers in general.>>10746
Probably me in the previous iteration of this thread, I also feel like I've reported this before.
might have thought "it doesn't work on vichan and I need to do something else so I'll ignore it until someone brings it up again"
It's the next item on my list:> The QR box is not in focus when opening with the 'Q' hotkey (This is not limited to the 'Q' hotkey, it seems that the QR box is never in focus when opened anew.).> Spellcheck correction not detected by undo-redo
By the way, does uploading a JPEG file here with extension .jfif mean it's not subject to metadata removal?
probably. The way vichan set it up is that it would only do it on jpeg. I think I hardcoded in the same with .png, but probably wouldn't for jfif. It's only there for twitter images and Twitter strips everything.>>10747
Found it in this terrible search feature which I plan to replace next month... https://kissu.moe/search.php?search=focus&board=bhttps://kissu.moe/b/res/8005#8804
>>10748>> The QR box is not in focus when opening with the 'Q' hotkey (This is not limited to the 'Q' hotkey, it seems that the QR box is never in focus when opened anew.).
Also, despite probably being redundant, I'd like to add that the "New Thread" box also has the same problem.
I hate regression bugs so I'll finish it today even though I wasn't going to
Feel like I'm barraging you with issues but the link does not take me to and/or highlight the post number in question, due to it being in a different thread page.
pretty minor issue. It's because the old UI and new the UI # hashtags don't work the same way. Probably will ignore that since it's such a rare situation
Just realized the file in OP is an anime opening, why is it?
because I made it around the same time I enabled for video thumbnail selection through timestamps
can't replicate issue
I can't seem to delete anything. Could you delete this please: >>>/ec/8987
never experienced anything like that. Might have been vpn passing through cloudflare related...
But I've always been able to delete, and right now I could delete a post from another browser. Though, I've never had a problem with deleting with this browser either.
you didn't really provide me with any details.
Is this a different than usual one?
Does this always happen for every delete?
I just realized, I recently changed the browser to use a proxy so that's what caused it, I could delete posts after removing the proxy.
probably cloudlflare, as I thought, then
dead/broken banner links:https://kissu.moe
(shouldn't this link to the summer board?)https://kakashi-nenpo.com/https://fishgl.com/>>>/qa/44477https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LRROoHrRSA
Dang, that fish one died? That's a shame. Oh, and old nen is actually completely gone now instead of the message from nenmin.
The 'what' and nen ones have been left there as a bit of remembrance, but I guess the link being broken might be weird. Hmm. I'm not sure if new nenmin wants a banner link to it and that would also kind of violate the actual advertising thing if it did.
The /sum/ one won't matter when the season changes, but yeah that's good to know.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure /qa/44477 was a pout thread. It could be redirected to the current one I guess? Hmm....
that's probably my fault for not updating it
the banner authors can change the links i think...
I have to do it from the database. Authors can re-upload to fix things, otherwise I'll fix when able to
I corrected the /sum/ and the pout one. But the others not too sure. Fishgl is now an archive URL and seems to work.
I'm not sure about the lala one. I'll replace it with a transformation sequence.
Nen and /what/ are more historical monuments of things that passed
>>10808>the banner authors can change the links i think...
I asked for this a while ago... >>4295
Hillarious... I open source like the only imageboard utility I've made and no one neither uses it or updates it...
No, it doesn't interest me and it's not beneficial except in this one situation. I'll just do it myself from the DB on request
Way to be an ass about it. I didn't even say anything negative.
If I were being an ass then I would be insulting you.
I simply don't understand the purpose of bringing up something that was briefly discussed in 2020 other than as a complaint
TDD makes a lot more sense after having done it a few times now... it's just writing little mini-programs that fulfill a use-case and then you use the organized set of functions to run this mini-program with the main one.
I don't understand why more programs don't do this... Sure for client UIs and routing might seem a bit redundant but these cases can be omitted if they're not nescicary.
>People in the Go community generally don't come from the functional, immutable etc. corner of the programming landscape. This is why you aren't met with any constructive discussion when these issues are brought up. This is a Plato's Cave type scenario, analogous to how people who lack decent algorithmic knowledge come up with brute force solutions to everything and think they've done the best job possible.>Go lacks immutability as a universally applicable feature simply because it's designers aren't used to this style of programming. There's no high iq comprehensive answer to this question that'll make you go "damn, i had no idea immutability is actually the worst thing ever. thanks a bunch for opening my eyes to the truth, fellow gophers".
Got me a chuckle.>>10830
Open sourced, you can fix it
heh>analogous to how people who lack decent algorithmic knowledge come up with brute force solutions to everything
reminds me of me
there was a temp reset of a server configuration that I stuffed in to get a stream video to work quickly. Back to normal
UI going to go into bug fixes again, like when I wake up tomorrow I guess.
Have 41 issues tracked, going to try and eliminate them in 5 days so I can put some finishing touches on my Feedback server
Updated with set of bugfixes
A cosmetic undo-redo issue still remains. Will try and resolve it tomorow.
Uploaded 20/40 fixes
I don't want to bother dealing with any of the problems flex
brings, but I've removed the margin.
In that case it was a mistake to point it out, please revert it if you refuse to use flex. 1/100 posts text clipping is better than more whitespace.
What problems does flex bring in the catalog on vichan?
posts clipping is worse than whitespace
The problem of me having to deal with future problems with flex. It removes a bunch of older functionality in CSS
But if that offended you, please stop offering me suggestions to fix vichan.
I'm not offended. You gave your opinion and reason for why you don't want to do it and I have nothing more to say so I figured it would be better if I just be quiet and move on.
alright, you're a polite person. I'll add in the flex since I think I'm ahead on my schedule to finish these bugs by the time the day changes.
Resolved all currently reported bugs.
Rest of the month+few days I'll be resolving issues with the side services.
Thumbnailer, banners and feedback
These being some bugs dating back probably a few weeks before August
haven't encountered any bugs recently. Good sign
jp is not an imagedump board. Condensing only works with blank posts. Suppose doing it with kita is fine, but this is promoting misuse of jp
site was out of service for 30 min
In a week or so I'll be switching my dev /b/log format into the following format of multiple generals style threads. Likely they will all be stickies:
- Vichan rewrite Tsukuyomi (TBA)
- UI Projects Kissu-UI and Lite-UI (TBA)
- Financial talk (>>6583
- Feedback&Forms Project (>>10557
- Banners Project (>>7514
- Rules, FAQ things... Managerial talk (>>10758
probably a new thread though)
Biggest thing will be that:
- Discussion on projects will be sorted into these categories and misplaced things will go into other locations.
- More stickies
- Each one will have a feedback form with a good OP which I'll check minimum once a week.
- Likely no new dev blog threads. If there's a problem they'll be handled like the happening thread.
This change reflects a more mature age of the site where software is established and projects are the focus rather than work on the UI or Server. Mangement projects, dev projects, financial projects etc etc etc
AGHH how is it possible that our backup service provider goes down as soon as I start migrating our services between locations...
I see that it's possible to select from a bunch of different reverse image search options (under Options->Posts). Could there be one to disable the link entirely?
wouldn't be too hard to disable, and I suppose it's not a bad idea if people never use it since it would free up some page space vertically. Yeah, I think vern could do that, but we'll have to see what he says.
doesn't sound complicated. will try
I did your suggestion(total of 5-10 minutes) and it just leaves the download button at the bottom. Does it look better to you this way.
In the new UI on the phone it leaves the link
In the new UI on desktop it removes it entirely it's exactly what I wanted. Thanks